Natal a buggy mess, Wii 2 in 2012, Move software not so great

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Editor-at-Large Matt Casamassina dishes the dirt on the behind-the-scenes murmurings at the event. http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1077008p1.html

Natal, though -- the motion offering from Microsoft -- not so much. The same studio rep calls Natal a big, buggy mess. "It's sh*t," he adds, saying that it just doesn't work as promised. That it's slow and that the camera is imprecise, which he notes, is causing some major development woes.

He refers to a development conference Microsoft held not so long ago in which Peter Molyneux of Fable fame (presently, creative director at Microsoft Game Studios) took the stage and attempted to demo the publisher's much-publicized Milo Natal project. Molyneux apparently called someone from the audience to the stage and asked them to interact with the virtual boy, but it didn't go to plan. Natal's camera failed to see the person accurately because he was wearing a black trench coat. After some fiddling, he was asked to remove his trench coat and -- whoops -- wore a black shirt underneath. When it still didn't work, he was invited to take his seat again.

Next, Molyneux said that Milo could interact with illustrations drawn to paper and scanned by the camera. He asked the audience for suggestions. "You could see him cocking his head and listening for the right key words, and then finally he heard something the game would recognize," my development source explains. It was a cat. So he invited someone from the audience to ascend the steps to the stage and illustrate the feline on paper. When Natal attempted to scan the horribly scribbled drawing, it instead picked up the Abercrombie & Fitch logo on the person's sweater.

I laugh at this but try to play devil's advocate. Okay, I say, so it's obvious you're not a fan, but somebody must be getting this thing to work well or it wouldn't be on the slate to ship this year. I ask if he knows of any other studios struggling with Natal.

"How about Rare and Lionhead? They're just going to try to make launch and then they're going to patch everything later," he says, laughing.


I'm very interested in the platform, but I haven't entrenched myself in Natal development. Later, when I bump into a colleague, I ask them if they have heard any behind-the-scenes rumblings about development trouble with Microsoft's casual entry device. He turns to me and says that yes, he has -- that studios are telling him they're struggling to get it working.

It's anecdotal and unproven and I know from experience that it's never so black and white. The fact of the matter is, the Wii remote shipped with so many problems that Nintendo was forced to release an upgrade device that even needs constant recalibration. And Wii MotionPlus? Word on the street is that the heat from your hands de-calibrates the sensor. It's still not perfect by any means, but it's workable, and I think that by the time Natal ships, it will be workable too, even if developers have to kill themselves getting it there. Lest we not forget that there are some amazing games for Wii and whether by ingenuity or simple trickery, the motion controls sometimes feel fantastic.

I always resign myself to the no comment or the no idea, but at GDC I struck a bit of a niblet when a developer said Nintendo told him it would be ready to roll with Wii 2 in 2012.

See beginning of article for Move impressions.
 
Matt's definitely a fanboy, and Natal and Move won't be ready for at least another six to eight months, so of course it's going to be buggy as hell right now. I'm honestly surprised that they're both coming out this year.
 
A couple of my coworkers are at GDC this year and I'll be interested to hear their impressions of it. I trust them more than I trust Matt Casamassina.
 
Is he really that big of a Nintendo fanboy? I know that he writes for Nintendo products but I remembering him posting negative things about Nintendo, how they gave up on core gamers and such, and how he enjoys a lot of games on other platforms.
 
Matt hasn't been a fanboy for a while now. But he is Pachter-levels of rumor mongering and a walking mess of bad journalism. I'd take everything he says with a mountain of salt for any and all companies involved.

You can almost have a for-sure running bet that if he says something, it's either wrong, sensationalized, or needs to be reversed in order to become true.
 
[quote name='Strell']Matt hasn't been a fanboy for a while now. But he is Pachter-levels of rumor mongering and a walking mess of bad journalism. I'd take everything he says with a mountain of salt for any and all companies involved.

You can almost have a for-sure running bet that if he says something, it's either wrong, sensationalized, or needs to be reversed in order to become true.[/QUOTE]
QFT.

Although, despite the above being true, I wouldn't mind if all of this motion control stuff magically went away somehow. Couldn't give two shits about any of it :???:
 
[quote name='Fjordson']QFT.

Although, despite the above being true, I wouldn't mind if all of this motion control stuff magically went away somehow. Couldn't give two shits about any of it :???:[/QUOTE]

I don't mind it but I wish they would just use it where appropriate instead of shoe-horning it onto everything and anything even when it doesn't fit. I guess we'll see how it works out for the PS3/360 but I'm not planning on buying any of it considering my Wii sits unused 364 days a year.
 
My 360 sits unused as it is dead. I didn't have anything to play on it, so I've been waiting for Natal. It'll probably be the same manchild software for teenage boys that plagues the system already.
 
[quote name='Richlough']Matt Casamassina is a Nintendo fan-boy .[/QUOTE]

bigtime i cant recall him ever doing a negative piece on any of nintendos stuff.
 
[quote name='lokizz']bigtime i cant recall him ever doing a negative piece on any of nintendos stuff.[/QUOTE]

Then you aren't paying attention at all.
 
[quote name='Strell']Then you aren't paying attention at all.[/QUOTE]

are his articles really worth paying alot of attention to ? what ive seen of his work is more than enough.
 
One problem Natal and Move have, I think, is that the system didn't come with it, and so the market for games for either add-on is inherently going to be small, and those markets are smaller then the Wii to begin with. That could change with time, though, especially if they start shipping it with systems and drop all versions that don't contain the technology. If Microsoft offers multiple versions of their console, some with and some without, I wonder how long it will stay out of the clearance aisle.
 
[quote name='crunchewy']One problem Natal and Move have, I think, is that the system didn't come with it, and so the market for games for either add-on is inherently going to be small, and those markets are smaller then the Wii to begin with. That could change with time, though, especially if they start shipping it with systems and drop all versions that don't contain the technology. If Microsoft offers multiple versions of their console, some with and some without, I wonder how long it will stay out of the clearance aisle.[/QUOTE]

Both 360 and PS3 will have retail bundles with Move/Natal packed in. Supposedly every 360 sold this holiday will have NATAL in the box and the top tier PS3 bundle will have it.
 
Matt Casamassina's Metroid Prime 3: Corruption E3 Preview:
It plays better than any first-person console game ever... really.

Dude pretty much lost all credibility with me after that statement. However, I definitely can believe both Move and Natal suck.
 
I used to listen to Matt and Bozon's podcast back in the day (before I found the cagcast) but after listening for a while I found Matt to have a huge bias for Wii.

I don't know if this is because he truly is a fanboy, but since he is the head of Nintendo articles, it makes sense that he would be pimping out the Wii and exaggerating to get people excited (and also to read his reviews/keep him employed).
 
[quote name='antlp89']I used to listen to Matt and Bozon's podcast back in the day (before I found the cagcast) but after listening for a while I found Matt to have a huge bias for Wii.

I don't know if this is because he truly is a fanboy, but since he is the head of Nintendo articles, it makes sense that he would be pimping out the Wii and exaggerating to get people excited (and also to read his reviews/keep him employed).[/QUOTE]

he pissed me off back during the whole loztp blowout. if i remember correctly he was for nintendo moving the game to the wii and not releasing a gc version and supported them shafting all the gc owners who had waited a long ass tiime for the game to be released.

in the end we got the game but that and some other things showed me that he was a bigtime fanboy for nintendo. just like that annoying blonde chick who used to be on g4 i think her first name was tina. nintendo could take a shit on them and theyd ask them to sign it.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Matt Casamassina's Metroid Prime 3: Corruption E3 Preview:
[/QUOTE]

Wow. 3 years ago. Snipe out one comment and you can make anyone look like something. Getcha game up, Cheapy.

He's been writing borderline troll comments and articles for a good bit. But I realize I'm not going to win any arguments here when I'm up against a group of people who made their minds up about someone or something or some company a looooooooong time ago, don't keep up with it as a result of that, and then rely on their dated information.

So, cheers everyone. It certainly makes sense when I'm dismissing his troll comments against Sony and Microsoft by clarifying that he's more or less melted down ages ago, but let's not let that get in the way when you can attach "Nintendo" to any discussion and immediately draw some lines in the sand.
 
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What's with the majority of CAG being hostile towards anything Nintendo?

And Cheapy is the one who says he has his Wii in a closet, so let's listen to him for he's the gaming god and we are but retarded serfs.
No bias at all.
 
I'm willing to believe these 3 bullet points from him with a grain of salt like most gaming journalists, especially because other people said the same thing about Move, Wii 2 in 2012 makes sense, and Natal being a buggy mess would correlate well to older impressions of it. I usually only read his work when it gets some exposure like this did and his lazy Nintendo article.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']What's with the majority of CAG being hostile towards anything Nintendo?

And Cheapy is the one who says he has his Wii in a closet, so let's listen to him for he's the gaming god and we are but retarded serfs.
No bias at all.[/QUOTE]

Because most of CAG are people are enthusiastic enough about video games that we register for a video game forum and talk about video games. People who buy and use Wii's are individuals who find flailing around with a remote and playing garbage casual games fun. The Wii is barely a game console at all.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']What's with the majority of CAG being hostile towards anything Nintendo?[/QUOTE]

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, I was a huge Nintendo fanboy until about 2 1/2 years of owning a Wii. The good games dried up and there hasn't been squat for about 1 1/2 years. Nintendo ran out of 1st party titles and started re-releasing GCN titles with tacked-on waggle (games I already own). Yeah, so I'm bitter, I knew on that fateful E3 when Nintendo admitted that its new console would not have HD, that it was going to end in disaster. Nintendo, while being very successful with the Wii, alienated their traditional fans and allowed their good name to be drug through a piles of shit-ware. They closed up their vibrant user forums just before the Wii came out, because they knew that they were going to give their fans a big, fat middle finger.

I still like Nintendo brand games, so I'll be buying the next Zelda and the next Metroid (albeit not on release day, but when I have a spare second--unlike the Wii, there are dozens of games coming out for the PS3), but I'm not going to buy any more Wii games or new while plastic peripherals.

I want the Nintendo, that I knew and loved, back!

[quote name='SuperPhillip']And Cheapy is the one who says he has his Wii in a closet, so let's listen to him for he's the gaming god and we are but retarded serfs.
No bias at all.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe he didn't want it to get all dusty... sounds like a good idea to me LOL Mine's been sitting here gathering dust since Muramasa came out.
 
[quote name='Brak']Motion controls legit suck.[/QUOTE]

this.

that's all I see in the thread title...MS motion controls suck, Nintendo's motion controls will suck in HD 2 years from now, and Sony's motion controls suck.
 
[quote name='Brak']Motion controls legit suck.[/QUOTE]

It's kind of like the advent of 3D.

When 3D was first going mainstream, we were too wowed by the gee-whiz factor to notice that it was usually a mess of mismatched polygons. Eventually we started catching on, but by then they had started to fix the problems.

Now with motion control, people are starting to understand that outside a few peripherals matched with a few simplistic games, it doesn't work all that great yet. They'll fix it, but since it's partially a hardware issue I expect that it's going to happen in leaps and bounds, not gradually like a graphics issue.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']What's with the majority of CAG being hostile towards anything Nintendo?

And Cheapy is the one who says he has his Wii in a closet, so let's listen to him for he's the gaming god and we are but retarded serfs.
No bias at all.[/QUOTE]

Same reason your in love with the Nintendo Wii. Everyone has a certain brand they like over the other two. For most people the Nintendo Wii is the lowest. Everyone is kind of bias in some ways.

[quote name='SpecTrE3353']Because most of CAG are people are enthusiastic enough about video games that we register for a video game forum and talk about video games. People who buy and use Wii's are individuals who find flailing around with a remote and playing garbage casual games fun. The Wii is barely a game console at all.[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty bold statement. I think it has its share of great games like every other system. Sure there is a lot of garbage third party titles though.

[quote name='Brak']Motion controls legit suck.[/QUOTE]

I hate how they try to make every game that way. Its fine for some games and annoying for others.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']What's with the majority of CAG being hostile towards anything Nintendo?

And Cheapy is the one who says he has his Wii in a closet, so let's listen to him for he's the gaming god and we are but retarded serfs.
No bias at all.[/QUOTE]


if you remember how great nintendos earlier consoles were its hard to like the wii imo. the ds is great though but my major problem with nintendo is how they milk the damn things by rereleasing the same thing but with slight differences. it gets worse with each handheld.

aside from that my main issue with the wii is that its a console centered around a gimmick.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']What's with the majority of CAG being hostile towards anything Nintendo?

And Cheapy is the one who says he has his Wii in a closet, so let's listen to him for he's the gaming god and we are but retarded serfs.
No bias at all.[/QUOTE]

Because Nintendo made Smash Bros Brawl. That's reason enough to hate on them.
 
[quote name='lokizz']aside from that my main issue with the wii is that its a console centered around a gimmick.[/QUOTE]

You mean that same gimmick that will now be on your PS3 and 360? That one?

And when people say that their Wii has been gathering dust for a year, to me that says, 'I'm just not interested in the good games the system does have'. Maybe you're not interested in stuff that by general consensus has been good, but other people are. I understand it's personal preference, you feel like you've been slighted by Nintendo for some odd reason, as if they owed anything to you as a long time loyal fan, when in reality it's a business, their main goal is to make money and make their shareholders happy. Mission accomplished, by the way. I mean, remember there was a lot of talk of them going third party like SEGA and dumping the console business all together. This at least ensures another generation, and maybe next time, they'll do right by you, that's what it's all about right? How you feel as a fan? They've given you all the franchises you've been clamoring for and yet that's not enough for you. I barely touch my system, but I really enjoyed Super Punch Out!! and would love to pick up a couple of other more recent games, if I weren't so cheap, I would. Oh, and upcoming stuff looks very promising by most accounts: Red Steel 2 (why this keeps coming up is beyond me, but it's getting good buzz), Monster Hunter Tri, Mario Galaxy 2, Endless Ocean 2 (again, not for me, maybe not for you, but people apparently loved the first), and of course the stuff like Other M later this summer and other stuff that will pop up between now and then.
 
This guy has made some outlandish comments before but for me I think it's spot on about the Natal comments. From watching those videos I can't believe there's anyone out there who believes it's actually going to work like they say it is...NOTHING ever works the way they say it will...what makes this so different?

Microsoft has shown they make bad hardware (especially when rushed) I predict this thing red ringing too :p
 
[quote name='Redeema']You mean that same gimmick that will now be on your PS3 and 360? That one?

And when people say that their Wii has been gathering dust for a year, to me that says, 'I'm just not interested in the good games the system does have'. Maybe you're not interested in stuff that by general consensus has been good, but other people are. I understand it's personal preference, you feel like you've been slighted by Nintendo for some odd reason, as if they owed anything to you as a long time loyal fan, when in reality it's a business, their main goal is to make money and make their shareholders happy. Mission accomplished, by the way. I mean, remember there was a lot of talk of them going third party like SEGA and dumping the console business all together. This at least ensures another generation, and maybe next time, they'll do right by you, that's what it's all about right? How you feel as a fan? They've given you all the franchises you've been clamoring for and yet that's not enough for you. I barely touch my system, but I really enjoyed Super Punch Out!! and would love to pick up a couple of other more recent games, if I weren't so cheap, I would. Oh, and upcoming stuff looks very promising by most accounts: Red Steel 2 (why this keeps coming up is beyond me, but it's getting good buzz), Monster Hunter Tri, Mario Galaxy 2, Endless Ocean 2 (again, not for me, maybe not for you, but people apparently loved the first), and of course the stuff like Other M later this summer and other stuff that will pop up between now and then.[/QUOTE]


yeah diff is they didnt build their console around it theyre using it as an extra thing an option if you will. you dont need it for any of the games already out. i get it man you love the wii but millions of dusty consoles cant be wrong.
 
[quote name='jman619']Same reason your in love with the Nintendo Wii. [/QUOTE]

Wrong. I'm in love with good games, and it just so happens that the DS, Wii, PSP, and PS3 are where they are. The difference is that I'm called a fanboy or whatever for liking my consoles while the people who troll the same consoles aren't. CAG is so screwed up.

[quote name='lokizz'] i get it man you love the wii but millions of dusty consoles cant be wrong.[/QUOTE]

And millions that still play and love their Wii can't be wrong. How badly did it hurt to pull that number from your ass?
Just because you don't pay attention to releases doesn't mean the Wii has no good games or it's an excuse for you to have a dusty Wii.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']Wrong. I'm in love with good games, and it just so happens that the DS, Wii, PSP, and PS3 are where they are. The difference is that I'm called a fanboy or whatever for liking my consoles while the people who troll the same consoles aren't. CAG is so screwed up.



And millions that still play and love their Wii can't be wrong. How badly did it hurt to pull that number from your ass?
Just because you don't pay attention to releases doesn't mean the Wii has no good games or it's an excuse for you to have a dusty Wii.[/QUOTE]


i dont have a wii as ive said before i have never and will never play one so how dumb do you sound scolding me about releases that id have no use for ? but you do make an interesting point. someone should do a poll for people with wiis to see how many still use them and how many dont. id like to see those numbers.
 
I don't follow your post history. Sorry.
It does prove how ignorant you are regarding a console you hate.

edit: Yeah, let's use CAG as the source. No bias there.
 
[quote name='lokizz']i dont have a wii as ive said before i have never and will never play one so how dumb do you sound scolding me about releases that id have no use for ? but you do make an interesting point. someone should do a poll for people with wiis to see how many still use them and how many dont. id like to see those numbers.[/QUOTE]

You probably shouldn't be talking about a console you don't own and refuse to even try. It just proves your ignorance and makes you sound a little goofy while you're at it.
 
[quote name='TomJones4']Halo DS and Kid Icarus is all I have to say about that douche.[/QUOTE]


This.
 
[quote name='elwood731']You probably shouldn't be talking about a console you don't own and refuse to even try. It just proves your ignorance and makes you sound a little goofy while you're at it.[/QUOTE]


who are you ?
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']I don't follow your post history. Sorry.
It does prove how ignorant you are regarding a console you hate.

edit: Yeah, let's use CAG as the source. No bias there.[/QUOTE]


why would cags be biased against the wii?
 
[quote name='lokizz']why would cags be biased against the wii?[/QUOTE]

Because we arent real gamers here, just a bunch of niche loving freaks who are obsessed with not spending much. DUH!!!

CAG is teh bias0r
 
[quote name='lokizz']why would cags be biased against the wii?[/QUOTE]

Just look at the forum views. Nintendo always has about 20 while the Microsoft and Sony forums double that.

Spend your time reading General Gaming where trolling Nintendo gets you brownie points. Don't be so obtuse.

[quote name='lokizz']who are you ?[/QUOTE]

I guess I should have just asked who you were to ignore your stupid posts. I'll remember next time.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']Just look at the forum views. Nintendo always has about 20 while the Microsoft and Sony forums double that.

Spend your time reading General Gaming where trolling Nintendo gets you brownie points. Don't be so obtuse.



I guess I should have just asked who you were to ignore your stupid posts. I'll remember next time.[/QUOTE]

why do forum views have anything to do with someone being biased towards or against a console? there alot of members here who own 2 or 3 diff consoles maybe the wii forums have less views due to a lack of content to be discussed or posted.

then again how many more views does the ds section get over the psp would that mean ds owners ( which i am one) would be biased against the psp if the ds section got more views?
 
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