Natal a buggy mess, Wii 2 in 2012, Move software not so great

[quote name='SuperPhillip']Just look at the forum views. Nintendo always has about 20 while the Microsoft and Sony forums double that.

Spend your time reading General Gaming where trolling Nintendo gets you brownie points. Don't be so obtuse.

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I don't think that has anything to do with people being bias. Just what people are interested in and or talking about. I do know what you mean by labeled as a fanboy. When others aren't and they obviously are.
 
[quote name='camoor']It's kind of like the advent of 3D.

When 3D was first going mainstream, we were too wowed by the gee-whiz factor to notice that it was usually a mess of mismatched polygons. Eventually we started catching on, but by then they had started to fix the problems.

Now with motion control, people are starting to understand that outside a few peripherals matched with a few simplistic games, it doesn't work all that great yet. They'll fix it, but since it's partially a hardware issue I expect that it's going to happen in leaps and bounds, not gradually like a graphics issue.[/QUOTE]


The prime difference being that I can't imagine ever wanting to play many types of games with motion controls, while graphics for any game can be improved. (and yes, I know they haven't gotten all the way there yet with 3D vs. 2D...I mean, Yoshi's Island for the SNES is a shitload more appealing to the eye than NSMB.)

Motion controls will probably never reach the level of complexity and ease of use a controller offers for something like a fighting game or action game.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']Just look at the forum views. Nintendo always has about 20 while the Microsoft and Sony forums double that.

Spend your time reading General Gaming where trolling Nintendo gets you brownie points. Don't be so obtuse.



I guess I should have just asked who you were to ignore your stupid posts. I'll remember next time.[/QUOTE]

Dude, what's so hard to understand? The vast number of Wii owners don't have a clue about CAG or video games in general--they just bought one because their friends had Wii Sports at a party or get-together, and they wanted in on the action. Or, they thought Wii Fit would help them lose weight, so they got a Wii. None of these people follow video games press, follow video game blogs, or buy very many games. It's not bias, it's the fact that traditional gamers have abandoned the Wii. We gave the console a chance and got tired of it. I wish Nintendo wouldn't have gone this route, but they did. Maybe there is hope for the Wii 2, but for now, I couldn't care less about Nintendo.
 
[quote name='jh6269']Dude, what's so hard to understand? The vast number of Wii owners don't have a clue about CAG or video games in general. None of these people follow video games press, follow video game blogs, or buy very many games. It's not bias, it's the fact that traditional gamers have abandoned the Wii. We gave the console a chance and got tired of it. I wish Nintendo wouldn't have gone this route, but they did. Maybe there is hope for the Wii 2, but for now, I could care less about Nintendo.[/QUOTE]

That info... where did you get it? How could you possibly know?
I won't argue with fallacies, so get lost, "dude".

EDIT: And I swear to God, if your next retort is "all the five people I know"... lol :p
 
You know, the other day I saw SuperPhilip post and thought, why did I ignore that guy?

Seeing the quotes in this topic, I remember why.
 
[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']You know, the other day I saw SuperPhilip post and thought, why did I ignore that guy?

Seeing the quotes in this topic, I remember why.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that worthless post. Still butthurt about our argument? I guess so. :(

I'll sit here crying that some CAG loser ignored me instead of being a man and debating me.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']Just look at the forum views. Nintendo always has about 20 while the Microsoft and Sony forums double that.[/QUOTE]

There are many things that could be factoring into a lower view count on the Wii forums. No DLC means there's never any news about DLC, and the accompanying discussion of DLC. Inferior multiplayer results in far fewer people looking for people to play against/clans to join/game nights. No trophies/achievements means no talk of how to get certain achievements/trophies, or talks of how to grind them. And so on.

Could also means that Wii games in general are just terrible at generating the amount of interest 360 and PS3 games get. Little King's Story was probably one of the better Wii releases of 2009, but how many people have actually heard about it?
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']There are many things that could be factoring into a lower view count on the Wii forums. No DLC means there's never any news about DLC, and the accompanying discussion of DLC. Inferior multiplayer results in far fewer people looking for people to play against/clans to join/game nights. No trophies/achievements means no talk of how to get certain achievements/trophies, or talks of how to grind them. And so on.

Could also means that Wii games in general are just terrible at generating the amount of interest 360 and PS3 games get. Little King's Story was probably one of the better Wii releases of 2009, but how many people have actually heard about it?[/QUOTE]

Most Wii games get jack in advertising. Though the 360 and PS3 have awesome dashboards that properly market their games that the Wii doesn't have.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']That info... where did you get it? How could you possibly know?
I won't argue with fallacies, so get lost, "dude".

EDIT: And I swear to God, if your next retort is "all the five people I know"... lol :p[/QUOTE]

I guess from the places you don't get your info from.

I listen to 4 video game podcasts, I keep up with about 5 or 6 video game blogs, I have friends who own a Wii (myself included), and others who don't (and I observe why they don't own one, and will never own one), I read video game related news articles daily, I keep up with NPD numbers, etc. Tons of places were talking last year at E3 that many of the Wii audience has no clue about E3. Anyway, what kind of proof do you need? If you follow any kind of video game news, you should know that many traditional gamers have abandoned the Wii.

Anyway, it's pretty much useless debating you b/c you can't even concede that the Wii is sub-par on many aspects in relation to the two other consoles.
 
[quote name='jh6269']I guess from the places you don't get your info from.

I listen to 4 video game podcasts, I keep up with about 5 or 6 video game blogs, I have friends who own a Wii (myself included), and others who don't (and I observe why they don't own one, and will never own one), I read video game related news articles daily, I keep up with NPD numbers, etc. Tons of places were talking last year at E3 that many of the Wii audience has no clue about E3. Anyway, what kind of proof do you need? If you follow any kind of video game news, you should know that many traditional gamers have abandoned the Wii.

Anyway, it's pretty much useless debating you b/c you can't even concede that the Wii is sub-par on many aspects in relation to the two other consoles.[/QUOTE]

I can easily concede to that. Don't put words in my mouth. Thank you very much.
And the Wii is better on many aspects in relation to the two other consoles. Do you deny this or can you also concede to this, Mr God of War avatar?
 
[quote name='elwood731']You probably shouldn't be talking about a console you don't own and refuse to even try. It just proves your ignorance and makes you sound a little goofy while you're at it.[/QUOTE]
I never owned an NGAGE but I can still talk smack about it...
 
[quote name='jh6269']I guess from the places you don't get your info from.

I listen to 4 video game podcasts, I keep up with about 5 or 6 video game blogs, I have friends who own a Wii (myself included), and others who don't (and I observe why they don't own one, and will never own one), I read video game related news articles daily, I keep up with NPD numbers, etc. Tons of places were talking last year at E3 that many of the Wii audience has no clue about E3. Anyway, what kind of proof do you need? If you follow any kind of video game news, you should know that many traditional gamers have abandoned the Wii.

Anyway, it's pretty much useless debating you b/c you can't even concede that the Wii is sub-par on many aspects in relation to the two other consoles.[/QUOTE]

Only the most vocal. And they do not number in the millions, as you may have everyone believe. That you used your tiny pool of knowledge and a poll of your cliques, isn't very indicative of "many" gamers.

But I will admit that one thing about your post is true, but needs editing: the Wii is underpowered when compared the 360 and PS3. Does this make it "sub-par"? No, it doesn't.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']Apples? Meet oranges.[/QUOTE]
Umm... you stated that if one were to never own said product.. that you couldn't criticize said product.... Not apples and oranges.
 
[quote name='Richlough']Matt Casamassina is a Nintendo fan-boy .[/QUOTE]
Yea lol. He also rants about how clunky the PS3 Move is and that the Wii is so much better.

If Nintendo made the Natal he'd be crying with his hands raised towards the Nintendo Heavens crying in the front row.
 
[quote name='SpeedyG']Umm... you stated that if one were to never own said product.. that you couldn't criticize said product.... Not apples and oranges.[/QUOTE]

I mean, one is a commercial failure with no lineup while the other is the opposite.

Does that make sense?

Anyway, back on topic. Matt C is a moron. I can't stand him. He's not a journalist whatsoever.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']
And the Wii is better on many aspects in relation to the two other consoles. Do you deny this or can you also concede to this, Mr God of War avatar?[/QUOTE]
Huh? Lemme guess the only aspect: it has Mario.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Huh? Lemme guess the only aspect: it has Mario.[/QUOTE]

Lemme guess, you're going to pretend you're not trolling the system.

EDIT: Let me make something clear. I don't care that he's trolling the Wii. I care that people like him pretend they're not fanboys then call other people fanboys for actually liking a system. Not feverish devout love, but a liking.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']I mean, one is a commercial failure with no lineup while the other is the opposite.

Does that make sense?

Anyway, back on topic. Matt C is a moron. I can't stand him. He's not a journalist whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
By opposite you mean that it's a commercial success with a high ratio of crap to quality software?

Outside of the First party software,, very few games for the Wii are actually any good. And out of those I'd say at least a third are either ports of Gamecube or Playstation2 games. The amount of dust that gathers on my launch Wii is sad and depressing if only for the fact that it once held so much promise that has gone mostly unfulfilled.
 
[quote name='SpeedyG']By opposite you mean that it's a commercial success with a high ratio of crap to quality software?

Outside of the First party software,, very few games for the Wii are actually any good. And out of those I'd say at least a third are either ports of Gamecube or Playstation2 games. The amount of dust that gathers on my launch Wii is sad and depressing if only for the fact that it once held so much promise that has gone mostly unfulfilled.[/QUOTE]

*Superphillip mode active, warning*

You are such a fanboy. Wii has TONS of amazing games you just dont want to look for it, and now that there is HD Versions of motion coming out everyone is all excited! You arent real gamers, just fanboys, real gamers can appreciate the wii efforts!

*Superphillip mode deactivated*
 
[quote name='SpeedyG']Damn you Blitz... Now I want some Del Taco, and we don't have them in my area.[/QUOTE]

I will have a chicken soft taco in your honor today!
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']I can easily concede to that. Don't put words in my mouth. Thank you very much.
And the Wii is better on many aspects in relation to the two other consoles. Do you deny this or can you also concede to this, Mr God of War avatar?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I can concede that.. I still love the 1st party titles and a few of the 3rd party ones. I guess for me, I'm pretty much tired of what made the Wii fun in the first few years of owning it. Now that I've been enjoying the PS3 games recently, there's no reason to go back--except for 1st party titles.
 
[quote name='dualedge2']Only the most vocal. And they do not number in the millions, as you may have everyone believe. That you used your tiny pool of knowledge and a poll of your cliques, isn't very indicative of "many" gamers.

But I will admit that one thing about your post is true, but needs editing: the Wii is underpowered when compared the 360 and PS3. Does this make it "sub-par"? No, it doesn't.[/QUOTE]

No, what makes it sub-par is that it offers almost nothing that the two other consoles do. The one thing that it was designed to do didn't work well enough, so now I have to buy yet another attachment (Wii motion plus) to play Zelda later this year.

Anyway, this isn't a personal attack on you--it's my own opinion, take it for what it's worth.
 
[quote name='darkslime']I bet you'll buy natal from gamestop and return it![/QUOTE]

I could post that link I already showed you but that would just be singling out a CAG to everyone, which is probably one of your motives. Anyways, I have no interest in Natal & I've never returned anything to GS.
 
[quote name='SuperPhillip']Wrong. I'm in love with good games, and it just so happens that the DS, Wii, PSP, and PS3 are where they are. The difference is that I'm called a fanboy or whatever for liking my consoles while the people who troll the same consoles aren't. CAG is so screwed up.
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Who isn't in love with good games?
 
I just don't see any games coming out for Natal or Move that I can't live without (or even want for that matter). It's going to attempt to appeal to those casual customers who own Nintendo Wii's so that they can play Wii Sports Resort or some other fitness game. So... my big question is why would someone who already owns a Wii invest in a product that many non-hardcore gamers will see and simply consider to be "behind the times"? In other words, they'll say "The Wii has been doing this for five years". I just don't see the appeal of the Natal or the PlayStation Move.
 
Core gamers will care if they see a killer ap. I think Sony/MS instead of trying to come up with tons of games for their new tech, should really focus on making one or two killer aps ready for launch. But if it's just more of the same then no one should care and not enough will.
 
Glad it's priced high. Hopefully help fuel it's failure. All this motion control, camera control bullshit needs to choke on a dick and die.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Glad it's priced high. Hopefully help fuel it's failure. All this motion control, camera control bullshit needs to choke on a dick and die.[/QUOTE]

Really? I kind of like the motion control stuff when it's done right, problem is, it's rarely done right.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Matt Casamassina's Metroid Prime 3: Corruption E3 Preview:


Dude pretty much lost all credibility with me after that statement. However, I definitely can believe both Move and Natal suck.[/QUOTE]

Matt lost credibility for me when he said something similar about Twilight Princess. Saying how it was the best Zelda ever, and the motion control didn't feel tacked on at all, and actually made the game better. I was so excited after reading that review, and when I finally played the game... I realized everything that the dude said was complete bullshit.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Where is that confirmed at? That's is a total failure if true.[/QUOTE]

Edge had an article about it (here). It's technically a rumor I suppose, as they mention that one of their sources told them that, so it's not official pricing. The source also said that there would be an arcade Natal bundle for $300. Quite frankly, I don't know what to expect since, as the article points out, there have been so many speculated prices from ~$75 all the way to $200. There are so many damn rumors with video games I tend to just disregard them until the companies themselves unveil that stuff.
 
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[quote name='Nirron']It's a rumor, as they mention that one of their sources told them that. It's not official pricing. The source also said that there would be an arcade Natal bundle for $300. Edge had an article about it (here). Quite frankly, I don't know what to expect since, as the article points out, there have been so many speculated prices from ~$75 all the way to $200.[/QUOTE]

Honestly... $75 is a lot for me to pay unless it comes bundled with software.
 
It's not cheap by any means. Hell, I think the most expensive non-controller item I've ever bought for a console was the Rumble Pack for the N64, and that was something like $20 or $30 when it came out.

Pricing wise, I really can't get a good read on how either Move or Natal will be. Both MS and Sony know they need to price them cheap enough that new buyers won't see the system + peripheral(s) as enormous money sinks, but their past makes me wary that they'll follow that train of thought ($500/$600 launch units for the PS3, MS initially charging insane amounts for proprietary hard drives/adapters)

I've got my own concerns about them, primarily the number of controllers for Move, as one or two games require one person to use two controllers, and I wouldn't buy more than two if they were >$40 MSRP (though I'd wait for an inevitable deal down around $20) and the $100 for camera/move/game might peg it around that much. For Natal, I need to see space requirements. I know it's anecdotal, but I and pretty much all of my similarly aged friends (25-28) have places with huge amounts of space. To fit one person fully in front of a camera is doable, but for party-esque games that require 2+ people to really make them fun we might be pretty damn cramped.
 
considering that it's far more advanced than eyetoy(and thing has 3 cameras in it) 100$ with some basic game would be great price. though if they will make some killer apps like true strategy game with simillar tech to Eye of Judgment(i mean those strategy games with figures like Warhammer) or some Myth type of game and show many simillar titles that would come within next few months i see myself getting it for 150$ if it would be bundled with a game.

it's not that much if you look at it. one Natal controler is enough for 4 players.

i'm kinda sad for ps3 owners though. 60$ for a single Move stick or 100$ for bundle with 1 Move stick, eyetoy and a game?! WTH Sony. for me Natal/Move exists only for multiplayer(singleplayer is just a bonus) - geting it so i can play alone would be like getting Rock Band.
so(in worst case scenario) 150$ for Natal and a game or 560$ for a set of 1 game, 1 eyetoy and Move controlers for 4 players - not really a choice, is it?
 
I too just saw the Natal $149.99 rumor on N4G and I'm laughing. I was on the fence about it when it was rumored to be between $49.99 and $69.99, now I'm completely staying away from it. It's a steep price for an add on that I really have no use for.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Really? I kind of like the motion control stuff when it's done right, problem is, it's rarely done right.[/QUOTE]

I hate it personally. I play games for one reason--to veg out and relax. Doesn't work if I have to be moving around, standing up etc.

I don't mind their being motion control games out there for those that like them, I just don't want to see it become the standard as I'd be done with gaming for sure if that happened.
 
I miss the old generation, when you weren't forced to buy batteries to play on your gaming system. Where you could plug a controller in, put a game in and go. Like Last Generation. It was great.

Also, Natal... I could care less and see it having a few games for it and being forgotten easily. PS3's Move seems okay, but meh.

Wii 2 in 2012? Hope it's sooner than that. Why? I want to see new hardware and get this Gen of Gaming hardware over with. Too much experimenting really.
 
That's seems a bit harsh. The X-box 360 thus far has been all traditional controls, and they sell wired controllers. And the gaming experience has been pretty much the same as last gen--just with better graphics than the original Xbox.

I prefer wireless--just get some rechargeable batteries and you're good to go. It's a near necessity in adulthood with having a big TV in a big room and sitting 10-12 feet away etc. So that's one innovations I've loved.
 
And that's the other thing, the PS3 just to be quite honest looks like crap without an HDTV. Most of the games are built to be played on an HDTV, but sadly I don't own an HDTV (except for my monitor, which I do plug my PS3 into sometimes... Sadly the speakers are terrible quality and can not play bass sounds without sounding like a jumbled thing of noise), so It's hard for me to truly enjoy the games they were meant to be played. Then again, the finger will be pointed at me, because I do not own an HDTV. The prices are certainly not as high as they once were, but are still pretty high up there.

I don't know, games just don't have their charm as they used to in this gen. It's not due to me aging, it's due to the games. I play on old consoles from time to time and have a great time. I don't know, it's just something about this gen that is lacking some luster.

Even of me ranting about this gen though.
 
Fair point there. One does miss out on a lot on the PS3 and 360 if they don't have an HDTV and surround sound.

But the same is true of TV and movies as well. So I was happy to pinch pennies for a year or so and buy a decent HDTV a few years ago even being a grad student on a pretty tight budget at the time. My top hobbies are movies, TV, sports, reading and video games in probably that order. So that's 4 out of 5 things I spend most of my free time on that are greatly enhanced by having an HDTV and surround sound. So I was happy to upgrade.

Games I've gradually lost interest in over the years--though it's more that it ebbs and flows. I've had just as much fun playing games like Mass Effect, Oblivion, Gears of War etc. as I had playing Super Mario Brothers, Super Metroid etc. as a kid.

It's more just the time investment that gets me out of gaming. It's tough enough sometimes to find 1.5-2 hours to watch a movie, much less to find the time to get through a 20+ hour game in a timely manner.

I'm a professor now (and was always a student before from age 5 on) so I tend to catch up on gaming in the summers. That's harder now though since I also have to bust ass on work and catch up on research work I get behind on during the school year when I have to balance it with teaching.

So I still enjoy it. Not sure if I'll buy a console beyond the 360 though due to the time constraints. And if I do it will be like I did with the 360 where I wait a couple years for a price drop or two. I should have plenty of 360 games to catch up on for the first 2 or 3 years of the next gen anyway!
 
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