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Nearly Half of American Believe Muslims Should Have Reduced Civil Liberties.
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[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims [/quote]
Oh goody. Instead of interred Japanese-Americans and liberty cabbage it's an expanded Guantanamo Bay and freedom fries.
And they say history doesn't repeat itself.
Oh goody. Instead of interred Japanese-Americans and liberty cabbage it's an expanded Guantanamo Bay and freedom fries.
And they say history doesn't repeat itself.
That is retarted. I am Indian and I am Hindu. When ever I go on a plane or something, it feel that the security guards are extra wary of my family and me. People always confuse Hindus with Muslims and it really makes me mad. A Hindu temple near me got trashed because some Americans thought it was a Muslim prayer place.
EDIT: Not that I am saying Muslims should be attacked. I am just saying that some "Americans" seem to be a tad ignorant.
EDIT: Not that I am saying Muslims should be attacked. I am just saying that some "Americans" seem to be a tad ignorant.
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In related news, I believe nearly half of Americans deserve a good smack upside the head.
I wonder if they took the time to break down the denomination of the people who said they are "deeply religious". Strangely, the differences between Prodestant and Catholic seem to make some differences in situations like this.
I wonder if they took the time to break down the denomination of the people who said they are "deeply religious". Strangely, the differences between Prodestant and Catholic seem to make some differences in situations like this.
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='Admiral Ackbar']In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims [/quote]
Oh goody. Instead of interred Japanese-Americans and liberty cabbage it's an expanded Guantanamo Bay and freedom fries.
And they say history doesn't repeat itself.[/quote]
So true. So true.
Oh goody. Instead of interred Japanese-Americans and liberty cabbage it's an expanded Guantanamo Bay and freedom fries.
And they say history doesn't repeat itself.[/quote]
So true. So true.
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[quote name='JSweeney']In related news, I believe nearly half of Americans deserve a good smack upside the head.[/quote]
I believe that number is actually closer to 85%.
I believe that number is actually closer to 85%.
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[quote name='David85']Why are you people shocked?
The majority of the country is still white, they don't give a shaq-fuing rats ass to the minorities, that's been shown all the time.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.[/quote]
Well if that isn't just the pot calling the kettle black.
You aren't exactly a shinning pinnacle of honor, virtue and intelligence yourself, David.
Rallying against "them" is easy. Sitting on the outside yelling in doesn't do anything, and often exacerbates the issue.
The majority of the country is still white, they don't give a shaq-fuing rats ass to the minorities, that's been shown all the time.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.[/quote]
Well if that isn't just the pot calling the kettle black.
You aren't exactly a shinning pinnacle of honor, virtue and intelligence yourself, David.
Rallying against "them" is easy. Sitting on the outside yelling in doesn't do anything, and often exacerbates the issue.
[quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='ananag112']Where I live, people are more considerate towards minorities. Still, can't anyone see that restricting rights for innocent people is just plain wrong? What is wrong with America?[/quote]
People live there.[/quote]
Clarify please.
People live there.[/quote]
Clarify please.
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[quote name='ananag112'][quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='ananag112']Where I live, people are more considerate towards minorities. Still, can't anyone see that restricting rights for innocent people is just plain wrong? What is wrong with America?[/quote]
People live there.[/quote]
Clarify please.[/quote]
No people, no problems.
People cause problems. People, when gathered together start thinking as groups, removing "humanity" from the issue. It's easier for a group to be racist, sexist, etc, because the individiual person can always point a finger and say... "it's thier fault... It's not me... I'm different".
People live there.[/quote]
Clarify please.[/quote]
No people, no problems.
People cause problems. People, when gathered together start thinking as groups, removing "humanity" from the issue. It's easier for a group to be racist, sexist, etc, because the individiual person can always point a finger and say... "it's thier fault... It's not me... I'm different".
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[quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='David85']Why are you people shocked?
The majority of the country is still white, they don't give a shaq-fuing rats ass to the minorities, that's been shown all the time.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.[/quote]
Well if that isn't just the pot calling the kettle black.
You aren't exactly a shinning pinnacle of honor, virtue and intelligence yourself, David.
Rallying against "them" is easy. Sitting on the outside yelling in doesn't do anything, and often exacerbates the issue.[/quote]
Do you just become a
ing dumbass more and more each day?
I bet you are one of the 44%.
The majority of the country is still white, they don't give a shaq-fuing rats ass to the minorities, that's been shown all the time.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.[/quote]
Well if that isn't just the pot calling the kettle black.
You aren't exactly a shinning pinnacle of honor, virtue and intelligence yourself, David.
Rallying against "them" is easy. Sitting on the outside yelling in doesn't do anything, and often exacerbates the issue.[/quote]
Do you just become a
ing dumbass more and more each day?I bet you are one of the 44%.
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[quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='ananag112'][quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='ananag112']Where I live, people are more considerate towards minorities. Still, can't anyone see that restricting rights for innocent people is just plain wrong? What is wrong with America?[/quote]
People live there.[/quote]
Clarify please.[/quote]
No people, no problems.
People cause problems. People, when gathered together start thinking as groups, removing "humanity" from the issue. It's easier for a group to be racist, sexist, etc, because the individiual person can always point a finger and say... "it's thier fault... It's not me... I'm different".[/quote]
group·think n.
The act or practice of reasoning or decision-making by a group, especially when characterized by uncritical acceptance or conformity to prevailing points of view.
People live there.[/quote]
Clarify please.[/quote]
No people, no problems.
People cause problems. People, when gathered together start thinking as groups, removing "humanity" from the issue. It's easier for a group to be racist, sexist, etc, because the individiual person can always point a finger and say... "it's thier fault... It's not me... I'm different".[/quote]
group·think n.
The act or practice of reasoning or decision-making by a group, especially when characterized by uncritical acceptance or conformity to prevailing points of view.
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The majority of the country is still white, they don't give a shaq-fuing rats ass to the minorities, that's been shown all the time.
Exactly how do you quantify they?
All white people?
The majority of white people?
Some white people?
Exactly how is making an assumption about someone based purely on race not prejudicial?
The use of they along with "white" hints towards and accusation being made against an entire class of people. Considering only 44% of Americans said that, that's hardly even a majority of "white" americans.
If you look at the story provided, it doesn't even mention race.
You've dragged race into this on the back of a prejudical statement.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.
The fact that you seem to love calling people dumbasses seems to suggest that you have a belief that you are smarter than these people, and in your mind "better".
That seems to be a huge display of hubris. I'm sorry, but even in the petty little arguments here, many, many CAGs seem to get the better of you. Using yourself a metric to judge the American public just seems to be folly.
Do you just become a shaq-fuing dumbass more and more each day?
If being in disagreement with you makes someone a dumbass, then yes.
I am a dumbass. As is likely the majority of this board.
I bet you are one of the 44%.
If you'd bother to read a thread before storming in, you'd see the ridiculousness of that statement.
Suggesting to do something like this is a small minded, prejudical and racist thing to do. Of course, trying to agrue and yell about it in the same terms is just silly... and that's exactly what you are doing.
Exactly how do you quantify they?
All white people?
The majority of white people?
Some white people?
Exactly how is making an assumption about someone based purely on race not prejudicial?
The use of they along with "white" hints towards and accusation being made against an entire class of people. Considering only 44% of Americans said that, that's hardly even a majority of "white" americans.
If you look at the story provided, it doesn't even mention race.
You've dragged race into this on the back of a prejudical statement.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.
The fact that you seem to love calling people dumbasses seems to suggest that you have a belief that you are smarter than these people, and in your mind "better".
That seems to be a huge display of hubris. I'm sorry, but even in the petty little arguments here, many, many CAGs seem to get the better of you. Using yourself a metric to judge the American public just seems to be folly.
Do you just become a shaq-fuing dumbass more and more each day?
If being in disagreement with you makes someone a dumbass, then yes.
I am a dumbass. As is likely the majority of this board.
I bet you are one of the 44%.
If you'd bother to read a thread before storming in, you'd see the ridiculousness of that statement.
Suggesting to do something like this is a small minded, prejudical and racist thing to do. Of course, trying to agrue and yell about it in the same terms is just silly... and that's exactly what you are doing.
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[quote name='JSweeney']The majority of the country is still white, they don't give a shaq-fuing rats ass to the minorities, that's been shown all the time.
Exactly how do you quantify they?
All white people?
The majority of white people?
Some white people?
Exactly how is making an assumption about someone based purely on race not prejudicial?
The use of they along with "white" hints towards and accusation being made against an entire class of people. Considering only 44% of Americans said that, that's hardly even a majority of "white" americans.
If you look at the story provided, it doesn't even mention race.
You've dragged race into this on the back of a prejudical statement.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.
The fact that you seem to love calling people dumbasses seems to suggest that you have a belief that you are smarter than these people, and in your mind "better".
That seems to be a huge display of hubris. I'm sorry, but even in the petty little arguments here, many, many CAGs seem to get the better of you. Using yourself a metric to judge the American public just seems to be folly.
Do you just become a shaq-fuing dumbass more and more each day?
If being in disagreement with you makes someone a dumbass, then yes.
I am a dumbass. As is likely the majority of this board.
I bet you are one of the 44%.
If you'd bother to read a thread before storming in, you'd see the ridiculousness of that statement.
Suggesting to do something like this is a small minded, prejudical and racist thing to do. Of course, trying to agrue and yell about it in the same terms is just silly... and that's exactly what you are doing.[/quote]
Exactly how do you quantify they?
All white people?
The majority of white people?
Some white people?
Exactly how is making an assumption about someone based purely on race not prejudicial?
The use of they along with "white" hints towards and accusation being made against an entire class of people. Considering only 44% of Americans said that, that's hardly even a majority of "white" americans.
If you look at the story provided, it doesn't even mention race.
You've dragged race into this on the back of a prejudical statement.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.
The fact that you seem to love calling people dumbasses seems to suggest that you have a belief that you are smarter than these people, and in your mind "better".
That seems to be a huge display of hubris. I'm sorry, but even in the petty little arguments here, many, many CAGs seem to get the better of you. Using yourself a metric to judge the American public just seems to be folly.
Do you just become a shaq-fuing dumbass more and more each day?
If being in disagreement with you makes someone a dumbass, then yes.
I am a dumbass. As is likely the majority of this board.
I bet you are one of the 44%.
If you'd bother to read a thread before storming in, you'd see the ridiculousness of that statement.
Suggesting to do something like this is a small minded, prejudical and racist thing to do. Of course, trying to agrue and yell about it in the same terms is just silly... and that's exactly what you are doing.[/quote]
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I am curious on the breakdown. I wonder what percentage is men and women, what percentage are white, black, asian, and what precentage of different religous groups. That sort of info makes things a lot clearer.
[quote name='JSweeney']The majority of the country is still white, they don't give a shaq-fuing rats ass to the minorities, that's been shown all the time.
Exactly how do you quantify they?
All white people?
The majority of white people?
Some white people?
Exactly how is making an assumption about someone based purely on race not prejudicial?
The use of they along with "white" hints towards and accusation being made against an entire class of people. Considering only 44% of Americans said that, that's hardly even a majority of "white" americans.
If you look at the story provided, it doesn't even mention race.
You've dragged race into this on the back of a prejudical statement.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.
The fact that you seem to love calling people dumbasses seems to suggest that you have a belief that you are smarter than these people, and in your mind "better".
That seems to be a huge display of hubris. I'm sorry, but even in the petty little arguments here, many, many CAGs seem to get the better of you. Using yourself a metric to judge the American public just seems to be folly.
Do you just become a shaq-fuing dumbass more and more each day?
If being in disagreement with you makes someone a dumbass, then yes.
I am a dumbass. As is likely the majority of this board.
I bet you are one of the 44%.
If you'd bother to read a thread before storming in, you'd see the ridiculousness of that statement.
Suggesting to do something like this is a small minded, prejudical and racist thing to do. Of course, trying to agrue and yell about it in the same terms is just silly... and that's exactly what you are doing.[/quote]
Good stuff but I would highly disagree with the fact that David85 is elitist...nope couldn't be the case, he's just better than the rest of us, that's all.
Exactly how do you quantify they?
All white people?
The majority of white people?
Some white people?
Exactly how is making an assumption about someone based purely on race not prejudicial?
The use of they along with "white" hints towards and accusation being made against an entire class of people. Considering only 44% of Americans said that, that's hardly even a majority of "white" americans.
If you look at the story provided, it doesn't even mention race.
You've dragged race into this on the back of a prejudical statement.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.
The fact that you seem to love calling people dumbasses seems to suggest that you have a belief that you are smarter than these people, and in your mind "better".
That seems to be a huge display of hubris. I'm sorry, but even in the petty little arguments here, many, many CAGs seem to get the better of you. Using yourself a metric to judge the American public just seems to be folly.
Do you just become a shaq-fuing dumbass more and more each day?
If being in disagreement with you makes someone a dumbass, then yes.
I am a dumbass. As is likely the majority of this board.
I bet you are one of the 44%.
If you'd bother to read a thread before storming in, you'd see the ridiculousness of that statement.
Suggesting to do something like this is a small minded, prejudical and racist thing to do. Of course, trying to agrue and yell about it in the same terms is just silly... and that's exactly what you are doing.[/quote]
Good stuff but I would highly disagree with the fact that David85 is elitist...nope couldn't be the case, he's just better than the rest of us, that's all.
[quote name='JSweeney']Strangely, the differences between ProDestant and Catholic seem to make some differences in situations like this.[/quote]
Completely off-topic, but I simply had to seeing as I'm sure this is the first and last time that Sweeney has ever misspelled something.
Completely off-topic, but I simply had to seeing as I'm sure this is the first and last time that Sweeney has ever misspelled something.
JSweeney
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[quote name='Ikohn4ever']I am curious on the breakdown. I wonder what percentage is men and women, what percentage are white, black, asian, and what precentage of different religous groups. That sort of info makes things a lot clearer.[/quote]
I know. I really wish there was a transcript of the press conference that Cornell held on this.
More information on the methodology used, and a peek at the raw data itself would be great. There are so many more numbers that they could have generated out of thier data, but didn't.
Sorting by location (urban\suburban\rural), race, sex, and multiple other factors could have given us even more interesting data to mull over.
I know. I really wish there was a transcript of the press conference that Cornell held on this.
More information on the methodology used, and a peek at the raw data itself would be great. There are so many more numbers that they could have generated out of thier data, but didn't.
Sorting by location (urban\suburban\rural), race, sex, and multiple other factors could have given us even more interesting data to mull over.
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[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='JSweeney']Strangely, the differences between ProDestant and Catholic seem to make some differences in situations like this.[/quote]
Completely off-topic, but I simply had to seeing as I'm sure this is the first and last time that Sweeney has ever misspelled something.[/quote]
The scarlet D! :shock: :lol:
Completely off-topic, but I simply had to seeing as I'm sure this is the first and last time that Sweeney has ever misspelled something.
[/quote]The scarlet D! :shock: :lol:
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[quote name='ananag112']That is retarted. I am Indian and I am Hindu. When ever I go on a plane or something, it feel that the security guards are extra wary of my family and me. People always confuse Hindus with Muslims and it really makes me mad. A Hindu temple near me got trashed because some Americans thought it was a Muslim prayer place.
EDIT: Not that I am saying Muslims should be attacked. I am just saying that some "Americans" seem to be a tad ignorant.[/quote]
I have a lot of hindu friends and they have the same problems. And this is MA, a supposedly liberal state, I can only imagine how it is in other parts of the country. One of my friends co workers used to, everytime he walked near him, would step aside and make a joke about how he "osama" is going to blow us up (referring to my friend). He also gets searched everytime he goes on a plane (like the rest of his family), where when my father goes off at security, they look for every possible reason not to search him. One guard even took a lighter out of his carry on luggage and told him he had to keep it in his pocket or he couldn't take it on the plane. I remember one time they even stopped his 14 year old cousin and searched her (we dropped her off at the airport and were watching). They told us we had to go away, to stop watching, and the guy who told us kept looking at the ground (instead of his eyes) whenever my friend looked at him. He never really talks about any of it (though he did complain about people calling him osama at school), so I have no idea what has gone on when I wasn't around. I wonder what it would be like if we were in alabama or someplace in middle america.
EDIT: Not that I am saying Muslims should be attacked. I am just saying that some "Americans" seem to be a tad ignorant.[/quote]
I have a lot of hindu friends and they have the same problems. And this is MA, a supposedly liberal state, I can only imagine how it is in other parts of the country. One of my friends co workers used to, everytime he walked near him, would step aside and make a joke about how he "osama" is going to blow us up (referring to my friend). He also gets searched everytime he goes on a plane (like the rest of his family), where when my father goes off at security, they look for every possible reason not to search him. One guard even took a lighter out of his carry on luggage and told him he had to keep it in his pocket or he couldn't take it on the plane. I remember one time they even stopped his 14 year old cousin and searched her (we dropped her off at the airport and were watching). They told us we had to go away, to stop watching, and the guy who told us kept looking at the ground (instead of his eyes) whenever my friend looked at him. He never really talks about any of it (though he did complain about people calling him osama at school), so I have no idea what has gone on when I wasn't around. I wonder what it would be like if we were in alabama or someplace in middle america.
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They only asked 715 people.
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[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='JSweeney']Strangely, the differences between ProDestant and Catholic seem to make some differences in situations like this.[/quote]
Completely off-topic, but I simply had to seeing as I'm sure this is the first and last time that Sweeney has ever misspelled something.[/quote]
I caught a Sweeney spelling mistake not to long ago. They are quite rare.
Completely off-topic, but I simply had to seeing as I'm sure this is the first and last time that Sweeney has ever misspelled something.
[/quote]I caught a Sweeney spelling mistake not to long ago. They are quite rare.
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[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims [/quote]
That is some scary stuff there, scary stuff.
That is some scary stuff there, scary stuff.
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[quote name='David85']Why are you people shocked?
The majority of the country is still white, they don't give a shaq-fuing rats ass to the minorities, that's been shown all the time.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.[/quote]
Your comment displays a nice bit of ignorance and betrays your own intolerance. The article didn't mention race at all, yet you imply that people who are white are racist because of it. How sad for you.
EDIT: whoops, didn't read down and see JSweeney's post making any further discussion pretty much unnecessary.
The majority of the country is still white, they don't give a shaq-fuing rats ass to the minorities, that's been shown all the time.
Wait up to the shaq-fuing times people, the country is going to hell because people are shaq-fuing dumbasses.[/quote]
Your comment displays a nice bit of ignorance and betrays your own intolerance. The article didn't mention race at all, yet you imply that people who are white are racist because of it. How sad for you.
EDIT: whoops, didn't read down and see JSweeney's post making any further discussion pretty much unnecessary.
David85
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You are a ing dumbass. They asked random people, muslims are not going to say they are in favor for it and being that the majority of the country is still white why the hell would they care about a minority.
It doesn'r mension race because they took a random poll, do you think the poll is 100% blacks? It is supposed to respeect America, and America is made up of more whitess, thus more whites were asked this question.
ing dumbass. They asked random people, muslims are not going to say they are in favor for it and being that the majority of the country is still white why the hell would they care about a minority.It doesn'r mension race because they took a random poll, do you think the poll is 100% blacks? It is supposed to respeect America, and America is made up of more whitess, thus more whites were asked this question.
JSweeney
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You are a shaq-fuing dumbass.
What a powerful lead. If only you had content to back it up.
They asked random people, muslims are not going to say they are in favor for it and being that the majority of the country is still white why the hell would they care about a minority.
The people doing the study, or the majority of the country?
Your sentence is poorly formed and thus is not clear enough.
They is very ambigious, and you don't provide enough context for one to figure which you mean.
In any case, I'll answer both points.
The racial make-up of those participating in the study would be important to the people conducting the research because it allows them to interpret the data even futher, and helps them to notice patterns and statistical correlations. Considering the matter deals so deeply with both race and religion, it's a germane question... heck, they even pointed out the correlations between the belief and reported religious and political affilations. Race seems like it would be another very valuable metric to any researcher who as studying a topic such as this.
Why would "the whites" care? Because any action that infringes on civil liberties of a class of people sets precedent. If a set precedent already exists, it make it much easier to just expand upon the set precedent.
If the government started by infringing on the civil liberties of muslims, how much more difficult would it be to infringe on say, African Americans, the next time? As soon as you start creating different tiers of civil liberties for certain groups, you start down a very dangerous path.
Many people are wise enought to see at least that much.
It doesn'r mension race because they took a random poll, do you think the poll is 100% blacks?
Even in a random poll, it is an interesting and useful metric. Considering that they asked about religious and political affilation, is it that unusual to believe they would add that question to the questionaire?
It is supposed to respeect America, and America is made up of more whitess, thus more whites were asked this question.
That's neither here nor there, David.
What a powerful lead. If only you had content to back it up.
They asked random people, muslims are not going to say they are in favor for it and being that the majority of the country is still white why the hell would they care about a minority.
The people doing the study, or the majority of the country?
Your sentence is poorly formed and thus is not clear enough.
They is very ambigious, and you don't provide enough context for one to figure which you mean.
In any case, I'll answer both points.
The racial make-up of those participating in the study would be important to the people conducting the research because it allows them to interpret the data even futher, and helps them to notice patterns and statistical correlations. Considering the matter deals so deeply with both race and religion, it's a germane question... heck, they even pointed out the correlations between the belief and reported religious and political affilations. Race seems like it would be another very valuable metric to any researcher who as studying a topic such as this.
Why would "the whites" care? Because any action that infringes on civil liberties of a class of people sets precedent. If a set precedent already exists, it make it much easier to just expand upon the set precedent.
If the government started by infringing on the civil liberties of muslims, how much more difficult would it be to infringe on say, African Americans, the next time? As soon as you start creating different tiers of civil liberties for certain groups, you start down a very dangerous path.
Many people are wise enought to see at least that much.
It doesn'r mension race because they took a random poll, do you think the poll is 100% blacks?
Even in a random poll, it is an interesting and useful metric. Considering that they asked about religious and political affilation, is it that unusual to believe they would add that question to the questionaire?
It is supposed to respeect America, and America is made up of more whitess, thus more whites were asked this question.
That's neither here nor there, David.
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[quote name='CTLesq']Hurrah another thread where we can bash America!
Hurrah! I am going to go have ice cream now!
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Come on now, this has nothing to do with bashing America. Just because you don't think America is perfect doesn't mean you're bashing the country. I suppose we shouldn't say anything about Abu Ghraib either (not that these two things have much in common)?
Hurrah! I am going to go have ice cream now!
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Come on now, this has nothing to do with bashing America. Just because you don't think America is perfect doesn't mean you're bashing the country. I suppose we shouldn't say anything about Abu Ghraib either (not that these two things have much in common)?
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[quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='CTLesq']Hurrah another thread where we can bash America!
Hurrah! I am going to go have ice cream now!
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Come on now, this has nothing to do with bashing America. Just because you don't think America is perfect doesn't mean you're bashing the country. I suppose we shouldn't say anything about Abu Ghraib either (not that these two things have much in common)?[/quote]
I don't have time to do trend analysis of this forum, but would you care to wager that most of the people who used this thread as an attempt to be "critical" fall on the side of the fence that generally supports or opposes the policies of the US or Americans in general?
I mean what could be more reasonable that extrapolating the views of 715 people over 280M Americans? And I understand polling can be very accurate. I also would point out that there is not a scintilla of evidence that degree of accuracy was used in this poll.
I have no problem with healthy criticism. The idea that we should use someone's religion as a basis to infringe on their rights in the constitution is clearly wrong and misguided.
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Come on now, this has nothing to do with bashing America. Just because you don't think America is perfect doesn't mean you're bashing the country. I suppose we shouldn't say anything about Abu Ghraib either (not that these two things have much in common)?[/quote]
I don't have time to do trend analysis of this forum, but would you care to wager that most of the people who used this thread as an attempt to be "critical" fall on the side of the fence that generally supports or opposes the policies of the US or Americans in general?
I mean what could be more reasonable that extrapolating the views of 715 people over 280M Americans? And I understand polling can be very accurate. I also would point out that there is not a scintilla of evidence that degree of accuracy was used in this poll.
I have no problem with healthy criticism. The idea that we should use someone's religion as a basis to infringe on their rights in the constitution is clearly wrong and misguided.
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[quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='CTLesq']Hurrah another thread where we can bash America!
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Come on now, this has nothing to do with bashing America. Just because you don't think America is perfect doesn't mean you're bashing the country. I suppose we shouldn't say anything about Abu Ghraib either (not that these two things have much in common)?[/quote]
I don't have time to do trend analysis of this forum, but would you care to wager that most of the people who used this thread as an attempt to be "critical" fall on the side of the fence that generally supports or opposes the policies of the US or Americans in general?
I mean what could be more reasonable that extrapolating the views of 715 people over 280M Americans? And I understand polling can be very accurate. I also would point out that there is not a scintilla of evidence that degree of accuracy was used in this poll.
I have no problem with healthy criticism. The idea that we should use someone's religion as a basis to infringe on their rights in the constitution is clearly wrong and misguided.[/quote]
Well, I've read plenty of posts by some of these people and yes, a few do really hate the U.S. like Quackzilla. OTOH I believe that the attitude that we should take away people's rights due to their religion should be fully exposed to the sunlight and wilt like the noxious weed that it is.
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Come on now, this has nothing to do with bashing America. Just because you don't think America is perfect doesn't mean you're bashing the country. I suppose we shouldn't say anything about Abu Ghraib either (not that these two things have much in common)?[/quote]
I don't have time to do trend analysis of this forum, but would you care to wager that most of the people who used this thread as an attempt to be "critical" fall on the side of the fence that generally supports or opposes the policies of the US or Americans in general?
I mean what could be more reasonable that extrapolating the views of 715 people over 280M Americans? And I understand polling can be very accurate. I also would point out that there is not a scintilla of evidence that degree of accuracy was used in this poll.
I have no problem with healthy criticism. The idea that we should use someone's religion as a basis to infringe on their rights in the constitution is clearly wrong and misguided.[/quote]
Well, I've read plenty of posts by some of these people and yes, a few do really hate the U.S. like Quackzilla. OTOH I believe that the attitude that we should take away people's rights due to their religion should be fully exposed to the sunlight and wilt like the noxious weed that it is.
Frequently, poll questions are termed a certain way to get a desired response. I wouldn't mind seeing the specific questions that were asked to lead to this conclusion. In all honesty, the limited number of people polled, coupled with the politically charged numbers makes be believe that the poll was not a good one.
I know that I will never see any of this information, but I am heasitant to lend any validity to the conclusions.
I know that I will never see any of this information, but I am heasitant to lend any validity to the conclusions.
[quote name='Elrod']Frequently, poll questions are termed a certain way to get a desired response. I wouldn't mind seeing the specific questions that were asked to lead to this conclusion. In all honesty, the limited number of people polled, coupled with the politically charged numbers makes be believe that the poll was not a good one.
I know that I will never see any of this information, but I am heasitant to lend any validity to the conclusions.[/quote]
Well you know how it goes, there's lies, there's damned lies and then there's statistics. Finding out that only 715 people took the poll gives me a little bit of comfort.
I know that I will never see any of this information, but I am heasitant to lend any validity to the conclusions.[/quote]
Well you know how it goes, there's lies, there's damned lies and then there's statistics. Finding out that only 715 people took the poll gives me a little bit of comfort.
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[quote name='RedvsBlue']Finding out that only 715 people took the poll gives me a little bit of comfort.[/quote]
If the survey participants are representative of the population (in this case America), a sample size if 715 people is acceptable and would result in a margin of error of approx 4 percentage points.
If the survey participants are representative of the population (in this case America), a sample size if 715 people is acceptable and would result in a margin of error of approx 4 percentage points.
[quote name='Plumberboy'][quote name='RedvsBlue']Finding out that only 715 people took the poll gives me a little bit of comfort.[/quote]
If the survey participants are representative of the population (in this case America), a sample size if 715 people is acceptable and would result in a margin of error of approx 4 percentage points.[/quote]
That's my point, how can 715 people be a representation of all the differing opinions within america. There's different opinions within races, sexes, location, political background, etc. 715 is a lazy number of people to poll, plain and simple.
If the survey participants are representative of the population (in this case America), a sample size if 715 people is acceptable and would result in a margin of error of approx 4 percentage points.[/quote]
That's my point, how can 715 people be a representation of all the differing opinions within america. There's different opinions within races, sexes, location, political background, etc. 715 is a lazy number of people to poll, plain and simple.
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715 is within reason. But just for arguments sake even if it is off by 15 points, that is still a major problem especially when we pride ourselves on being "the land of the free".
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[quote name='jmcc']Actually 715 is a fine number to represent the country, statistically. The method is sound.[/quote]
Really? And if those 715 are all white men from the upper west side of Manhattan you want to make that argument?
Can 715 people represent 280M people statistically? Maybe. But the study doesn't indicate the methodology that was used.
So it is very much open to question.
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Really? And if those 715 are all white men from the upper west side of Manhattan you want to make that argument?
Can 715 people represent 280M people statistically? Maybe. But the study doesn't indicate the methodology that was used.
So it is very much open to question.
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They used the same sampling as with the political polls. They asked 715 random people, and acted like it had the accuracy of a presidential election poll (excluding electronic voting).
This myth is: BUSTED
This myth is: BUSTED
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[quote name='Quackzilla']They used the same sampling as with the political polls. They asked 715 random people, and acted like it had the accuracy of a presidential election poll (excluding electronic voting).
This myth is: BUSTED[/quote]
As all the political polls that have ever been conducted? Because thats what you said.
And if they are using random people then it can't be said to be representative as you would have to specifically target specific demographics.
Your argument is: BUSTED.
This myth is: BUSTED[/quote]
As all the political polls that have ever been conducted? Because thats what you said.
And if they are using random people then it can't be said to be representative as you would have to specifically target specific demographics.
Your argument is: BUSTED.
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[quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Quackzilla']They used the same sampling as with the political polls. They asked 715 random people, and acted like it had the accuracy of a presidential election poll (excluding electronic voting).
This myth is: BUSTED[/quote]
As all the political polls that have ever been conducted? Because thats what you said.
And if they are using random people then it can't be said to be representative as you would have to specifically target specific demographics.
Your argument is: BUSTED.[/quote]
I meant that they used the same random lame ass sampling as during the presidential election polls, asking random people on the street.
Then I say that they try and pass it off as accurately representing the opinion of Americans. (like in an official election poll where they ask everybody)
Then I went on to say that the myth that 44% of Americans hate muslims is busted.
So basically, you agreed with my post, but you misinterpereted it.
Just a simple communication error.
This myth is: BUSTED[/quote]
As all the political polls that have ever been conducted? Because thats what you said.
And if they are using random people then it can't be said to be representative as you would have to specifically target specific demographics.
Your argument is: BUSTED.[/quote]
I meant that they used the same random lame ass sampling as during the presidential election polls, asking random people on the street.
Then I say that they try and pass it off as accurately representing the opinion of Americans. (like in an official election poll where they ask everybody)
Then I went on to say that the myth that 44% of Americans hate muslims is busted.
So basically, you agreed with my post, but you misinterpereted it.
Just a simple communication error.
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