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I've bought them before, usually when they're cheap enough that it's not an issue (like $4.99 games at EB), or if I can't find a copy anywhere else. The games are always in excellent shape.
New game but already opened??
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Only on a game that is a REALLY good deal. I would NEVER pay full price for an opened game. I don't give a shit what they say, if it's not sealed, it's not new. And to any moron who argues for it, they could always just use demo/fake boxes like toys r us. There is absolutely no reason to use this method and one of the main reasons I only go to EB if there is no other choice.
I feel like arguging the other side for shits and giggles today...
Sure, they could do the photocopy thing. But there's 2 problems with that. Someone's gotta pay for the copies- good quality color copies are not cheap, and since there's bound to be stupid people stealing empty game cases, they'll need backups. And I do believe that someone paying for it is us, the customer. You want to pay another $1.50 per game to cover the costs of copies? I don't, not really.
Plus, someone's gotta actually cut out the copies, put them in cases, and put them on the shelves while taking down the real cases, them re-assemble the real cases... make that another $2-3 per game. That's a lot of extra manhours to pay for, exspecially with the holidays and having to take time off and explain to an idiot that no, 5-year-old Billy cannot get Mario on the PlayStation 360, even though he asked for it.
Oh yeah... in order to make that photocopy... you STILL have to gut a copy to get the cover paper out. How does that help? And what happens if the copy guy manages to close a cover in the process? You wanna buy a game with the display copy case? (I actually have a friend who had to take a display case for her FF X-2 for this reason.)
I'm all for a 5-10% off display copies when it's the last one in the store, tho'. Cheapasses are happy, and the amount is so nominal the gamestores probably wouldn't notice the difference... but, unless we all quit buying gutted copies (including idiot Billy's parents) that won't happen.
Sure, they could do the photocopy thing. But there's 2 problems with that. Someone's gotta pay for the copies- good quality color copies are not cheap, and since there's bound to be stupid people stealing empty game cases, they'll need backups. And I do believe that someone paying for it is us, the customer. You want to pay another $1.50 per game to cover the costs of copies? I don't, not really.
Plus, someone's gotta actually cut out the copies, put them in cases, and put them on the shelves while taking down the real cases, them re-assemble the real cases... make that another $2-3 per game. That's a lot of extra manhours to pay for, exspecially with the holidays and having to take time off and explain to an idiot that no, 5-year-old Billy cannot get Mario on the PlayStation 360, even though he asked for it.
Oh yeah... in order to make that photocopy... you STILL have to gut a copy to get the cover paper out. How does that help? And what happens if the copy guy manages to close a cover in the process? You wanna buy a game with the display copy case? (I actually have a friend who had to take a display case for her FF X-2 for this reason.)
I'm all for a 5-10% off display copies when it's the last one in the store, tho'. Cheapasses are happy, and the amount is so nominal the gamestores probably wouldn't notice the difference... but, unless we all quit buying gutted copies (including idiot Billy's parents) that won't happen.
[quote name='DuelLadyS']I feel like arguging the other side for shits and giggles today...
Sure, they could do the photocopy thing. But there's 2 problems with that. Someone's gotta pay for the copies- good quality color copies are not cheap, and since there's bound to be stupid people stealing empty game cases, they'll need backups. And I do believe that someone paying for it is us, the customer. You want to pay another $1.50 per game to cover the costs of copies? I don't, not really.
Plus, someone's gotta actually cut out the copies, put them in cases, and put them on the shelves while taking down the real cases, them re-assemble the real cases... make that another $2-3 per game. That's a lot of extra manhours to pay for, exspecially with the holidays and having to take time off and explain to an idiot that no, 5-year-old Billy cannot get Mario on the PlayStation 360, even though he asked for it.
Oh yeah... in order to make that photocopy... you STILL have to gut a copy to get the cover paper out. How does that help? And what happens if the copy guy manages to close a cover in the process? You wanna buy a game with the display copy case? (I actually have a friend who had to take a display case for her FF X-2 for this reason.)
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The main reason I don't shop at EB Games and Gamestop is because of this. It always seems that they never have any sealed copies of the game and want to sell you the one that's been opened.
There are many options like others have said that can be done, it just seems that they don't want to change things because they are still selling things so people must be buying open games as new so there is no need for them to change. Until people stop buying games there they will not change their policy. Other stores have to lock up their games (Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart) while other stores have their games in a security case (Best Buy, Circuit City) or stores like Toys "R" Us have empty fake copies of the game then you take it to the counter for a sealed version. I'm sure Toys R Us get's copies of the covers from the publishers for free, or at little cost. Maybe someone who works there knows? I'm sure if a company is buying X number of copies of your game they will work with you to get you what you need for you to sell their product.
Sure, they could do the photocopy thing. But there's 2 problems with that. Someone's gotta pay for the copies- good quality color copies are not cheap, and since there's bound to be stupid people stealing empty game cases, they'll need backups. And I do believe that someone paying for it is us, the customer. You want to pay another $1.50 per game to cover the costs of copies? I don't, not really.
Plus, someone's gotta actually cut out the copies, put them in cases, and put them on the shelves while taking down the real cases, them re-assemble the real cases... make that another $2-3 per game. That's a lot of extra manhours to pay for, exspecially with the holidays and having to take time off and explain to an idiot that no, 5-year-old Billy cannot get Mario on the PlayStation 360, even though he asked for it.
Oh yeah... in order to make that photocopy... you STILL have to gut a copy to get the cover paper out. How does that help? And what happens if the copy guy manages to close a cover in the process? You wanna buy a game with the display copy case? (I actually have a friend who had to take a display case for her FF X-2 for this reason.)
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The main reason I don't shop at EB Games and Gamestop is because of this. It always seems that they never have any sealed copies of the game and want to sell you the one that's been opened.
There are many options like others have said that can be done, it just seems that they don't want to change things because they are still selling things so people must be buying open games as new so there is no need for them to change. Until people stop buying games there they will not change their policy. Other stores have to lock up their games (Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart) while other stores have their games in a security case (Best Buy, Circuit City) or stores like Toys "R" Us have empty fake copies of the game then you take it to the counter for a sealed version. I'm sure Toys R Us get's copies of the covers from the publishers for free, or at little cost. Maybe someone who works there knows? I'm sure if a company is buying X number of copies of your game they will work with you to get you what you need for you to sell their product.
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The only problems I've had with display copies is sometimes the clerk will look at the disk and if there is a spot or a mark on it, they will wipe the disk on their shirt, multiple times. I don't want it after that.
[quote name='cyrix`']As long as they reseal it and sell it as a used price I kinda like it, cuz that protects it from slippery hands in the store.[/QUOTE]
I just have one thing to add to this discussion that it doesn't look like was mentioned in this thread (but likely has been in many others.) When EB used to allow returns of open and played games that cutomers decided they did not want, these games were frequently resealed and sold as new. A game could have been heavily abused for a couple weeks by customers and then it was just resealed to cover this up.
This is one reason I like the fact that the Xbox stickers usually cover all three sides of the case. It is fairly easy to spot a resealing job, but some distributors actually seal their new games like this - with the cheaper shrinkwrap. If there are no manufacturer stickers there isn't an easy way to actually know if it is really new and therefore what the disk might look like on the inside.
I just have one thing to add to this discussion that it doesn't look like was mentioned in this thread (but likely has been in many others.) When EB used to allow returns of open and played games that cutomers decided they did not want, these games were frequently resealed and sold as new. A game could have been heavily abused for a couple weeks by customers and then it was just resealed to cover this up.
This is one reason I like the fact that the Xbox stickers usually cover all three sides of the case. It is fairly easy to spot a resealing job, but some distributors actually seal their new games like this - with the cheaper shrinkwrap. If there are no manufacturer stickers there isn't an easy way to actually know if it is really new and therefore what the disk might look like on the inside.
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[quote name='DigitalSpace']I've bought them before, usually when they're cheap enough that it's not an issue (like $4.99 games at EB), or if I can't find a copy anywhere else. The games are always in excellent shape.[/QUOTE]
Same here, I've never had a problem!
Same here, I've never had a problem!
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of course not! it is actually ridiculous, and they are dishonest
I personally hate this practice but I will say this: At least Gamestop usually only guts one copy of each title. EB guts 3, 5, 10 or more copies!
At one of the local EB's they gut every single copy of small release DS games that come in! Is there really a need for this? There's no room in the back to store the other copies after the first one is gutted?
At one of the local EB's they gut every single copy of small release DS games that come in! Is there really a need for this? There's no room in the back to store the other copies after the first one is gutted?
[quote name='AngellicLulu']It's foolish to compare EB/Gamestop to Toys R Us. EB/Gamestop doesn't nearly have the same security measures as Toys R US or the staff. That's not the worst option it's the easiest option. To fault a chain of stores for using the most cost beneficial method of selling their games is silly. The game is still "new", it's just not "sealed". Sure I personally think the company should give a slight discount for the final copies that are opened, maybe 5% off or something.
If you don't want the game to play, then refuse to buy the opened copy. To completely redo all their stores to change to printed out versions of the games would be time consuming and foolish. If that's the solution you have then you need to consider that unlike Toys R Us, EB and Gamestop carries many more games. They'd have to print out much more than Toys R Us and would have to completely redo their stores which would take time. Each EB/Gamestop only has maybe 5 FT employees, and aren't alloted many hours for PT. The store would probably have to be closed for a full day to redo each store and the lost revune wouldn't be worth the few gamers that refuse to purchase the opened copies.[/QUOTE]
That is ridiculous. Gamestop has better security. Have you ever been to a Toy's R US. The employees are mostly morons. Gamestop has much better security due to the store being tiny. EB Games and Gamestop carry more games than Toy's R Us because the carry used games. They get almost the exact amount of NEW games. You don't need printouts for used games since it is already open. You can take the disc out and display the actual case. Don't be stupid. If Toys R Us can do it, Gamestop can do it.
If you don't want the game to play, then refuse to buy the opened copy. To completely redo all their stores to change to printed out versions of the games would be time consuming and foolish. If that's the solution you have then you need to consider that unlike Toys R Us, EB and Gamestop carries many more games. They'd have to print out much more than Toys R Us and would have to completely redo their stores which would take time. Each EB/Gamestop only has maybe 5 FT employees, and aren't alloted many hours for PT. The store would probably have to be closed for a full day to redo each store and the lost revune wouldn't be worth the few gamers that refuse to purchase the opened copies.[/QUOTE]
That is ridiculous. Gamestop has better security. Have you ever been to a Toy's R US. The employees are mostly morons. Gamestop has much better security due to the store being tiny. EB Games and Gamestop carry more games than Toy's R Us because the carry used games. They get almost the exact amount of NEW games. You don't need printouts for used games since it is already open. You can take the disc out and display the actual case. Don't be stupid. If Toys R Us can do it, Gamestop can do it.
[quote name='souldreamx']I know that at least one of the GameStops around here lets employees play games and then sells them as new (my sister did that once when she was working there and ended up feeling so guilty about it that she just bought the game anyway). SOL.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you report them to the better business bureau then. If they are doing that it is illegal. If enough people report them that might change some of the practices.
Why don't you report them to the better business bureau then. If they are doing that it is illegal. If enough people report them that might change some of the practices.
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[quote name='asianxcore']at TRU we can order specific clamshells for games, so that we don't have to open copies to let customers know we have them. EB isn't above this. they have plenty of stuff in their store that are clamshelled, and you have to bring the empty copy up to pick up a real copy.[/quote]
Often when they leave out the case it has the manual inside, this allows some customers, like me to browse through the manual since it's typically more discriptive than the case and far more informative than most store employees.
That I hate, I recentlly bought the display copy of Shining Force from a local EB and the box is bent and ripped and just to be extra nice they covered it in EB stickers.
Often when they leave out the case it has the manual inside, this allows some customers, like me to browse through the manual since it's typically more discriptive than the case and far more informative than most store employees.
That I hate, I recentlly bought the display copy of Shining Force from a local EB and the box is bent and ripped and just to be extra nice they covered it in EB stickers.
[quote name='DuelLadyS']I feel like arguging the other side for shits and giggles today...
Sure, they could do the photocopy thing. But there's 2 problems with that. Someone's gotta pay for the copies- good quality color copies are not cheap, and since there's bound to be stupid people stealing empty game cases, they'll need backups. And I do believe that someone paying for it is us, the customer. You want to pay another $1.50 per game to cover the costs of copies? I don't, not really.
Plus, someone's gotta actually cut out the copies, put them in cases, and put them on the shelves while taking down the real cases, them re-assemble the real cases... make that another $2-3 per game. That's a lot of extra manhours to pay for, exspecially with the holidays and having to take time off and explain to an idiot that no, 5-year-old Billy cannot get Mario on the PlayStation 360, even though he asked for it.
Oh yeah... in order to make that photocopy... you STILL have to gut a copy to get the cover paper out. How does that help? And what happens if the copy guy manages to close a cover in the process? You wanna buy a game with the display copy case? (I actually have a friend who had to take a display case for her FF X-2 for this reason.)
I'm all for a 5-10% off display copies when it's the last one in the store, tho'. Cheapasses are happy, and the amount is so nominal the gamestores probably wouldn't notice the difference... but, unless we all quit buying gutted copies (including idiot Billy's parents) that won't happen.[/QUOTE]
You're argument doesn't work. You said that dumbasses would steal the empty photo copied cases. If it would happen with photocopied cases, wouldn't it happen now with the real cases? Exactly. There wouldn't have to be a price increase because of that. As for the color photocopies. Toys R Us seems to be able to do it yet still charge the same price for a new game.
You wouldn't have to gut anything to get a photocopy of a game cover. They are readily available pretty much anywhere you want to look on the internet.
You just posted a terrible argument for the other side.
Sure, they could do the photocopy thing. But there's 2 problems with that. Someone's gotta pay for the copies- good quality color copies are not cheap, and since there's bound to be stupid people stealing empty game cases, they'll need backups. And I do believe that someone paying for it is us, the customer. You want to pay another $1.50 per game to cover the costs of copies? I don't, not really.
Plus, someone's gotta actually cut out the copies, put them in cases, and put them on the shelves while taking down the real cases, them re-assemble the real cases... make that another $2-3 per game. That's a lot of extra manhours to pay for, exspecially with the holidays and having to take time off and explain to an idiot that no, 5-year-old Billy cannot get Mario on the PlayStation 360, even though he asked for it.
Oh yeah... in order to make that photocopy... you STILL have to gut a copy to get the cover paper out. How does that help? And what happens if the copy guy manages to close a cover in the process? You wanna buy a game with the display copy case? (I actually have a friend who had to take a display case for her FF X-2 for this reason.)
I'm all for a 5-10% off display copies when it's the last one in the store, tho'. Cheapasses are happy, and the amount is so nominal the gamestores probably wouldn't notice the difference... but, unless we all quit buying gutted copies (including idiot Billy's parents) that won't happen.[/QUOTE]
You're argument doesn't work. You said that dumbasses would steal the empty photo copied cases. If it would happen with photocopied cases, wouldn't it happen now with the real cases? Exactly. There wouldn't have to be a price increase because of that. As for the color photocopies. Toys R Us seems to be able to do it yet still charge the same price for a new game.
You wouldn't have to gut anything to get a photocopy of a game cover. They are readily available pretty much anywhere you want to look on the internet.
You just posted a terrible argument for the other side.
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