New PS2 model officially announced SCPH-70000

The day of the $99 PStwo is well on the way. No later than E3 I'd say, with a stopoff at $129 along the way.
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This causes problems for Xbox on a few levels, they can cut the price but they're just not able to reduce costs at all, the way they designed it. This is one of the reasons why they want Xbox 2 out the door sooner.

On another note, I want one of these... I got one of those EB "take it back for any reason" warrantys (my brother bought it), think I can get a pstwo if I bring in my PS2? I know I'll get DDE's down the road anyway.
 
[quote name='dental_regurgitation']I like the way it's designed, but I need my HDD... That was like good news followed by bad news.

They better not remove the 50001 from the market, I still haven't gotten one.[/quote]

You don't already have a PS2 but you need a hard drive. For what? If it isn't for HDLoader or similar (which Sony would prefer didn't exist) the support for the PS2 HDD has been meager to say the least. If you aren't interested in FF XI there is extemely little reason to own it.
 
[quote name='jmcc']Is IGN certain about the lack of HD, I wonder? I can't imagine Sony would want to alienate Square in any way and rendering one of their big titles unplayable on all future PS2s would be a good start in that direction. Maybe an external HD dock is in the works, or something.[/quote]

Sony owns a chunk of Square Enix and doesn't need to worry about keeping them leashed. Also, I think if there was a listing made of FF XI players they'd out to have PC-based users as the majority by a large margin.
 
[quote name='ZForce915']This makes me glad I haven't made the plunge to buy a PS2 yet. This is something I've gotta have!

Any chance that the XBOX could be made to be half the size?[/quote]

On the technical end, producing a smaller Xbox is a trivial exercise. It just means doing a die shrink on the chip set and a few other refinements. The problem is that only NVIDIA can produce that new chip set revision and they aren't terribly interested in doing new Xbox work unless Microsoft makes it worth their time in a big way. This means the initial cost of producing the new design could be greater than its market potential.

If the Xbox were profitable it would be a different story but it would be very hard for Microsoft to justify after the relationship with NVIDIA fell apart.
 
[quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='Samurai T']I think it's a myth about being saying about PS2 and DRE.[/quote]
You're wrong. Its happened to me twice and its a design flaw in every version of the PS2 to date, because they used a cheap plastic part in the cd drive and never replaced it even after knowing it would always, always, always break down eventually. Its like a built in self destruct mechanism that forces you to buy a new PS2 every X amount of miles you put on it. I seriously hope that this is finally fixed in the PStwo.[/quote]

Considering Sony fixes the problem for free....
 
[quote name='dafoomie']
Considering Sony fixes the problem for free....
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Not if its out of warranty. At least not at the time mine failed.[/quote]

They do now and have for a while. My rommate had a DRE over a yearand a half ago and his was a launch model. Sony fixed it for free.
 
They do now and have for a while. My rommate had a DRE over a yearand a half ago and his was a launch model. Sony fixed it for free.
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They wouldn't fix either of the two I had that had DDE's. Took them long enough to acknowlege the problem was completely their fault. Still inexcusable that its still not fixed in the PS2.

Some of that might have to do with a class action lawsuit that was launched against Sony for the problem.
 
Its going to be almost impossible for me to go back and have to go through tons of loading and crappy unskipable animations with madden 2005 and ncaa 2005 for this new great looking ps2.


I dont think its worth it . im going to have to stick to my 50001 +hd loader.


piracy or not. the Harddrive for games is the new way to go.

Hopefully sony will understand this when ps3 rolls out.
 
[quote name='bluenatas09']I still think that abandoning the whole harddrive is pretty screwed up[/quote]

Look at the entire lineup of existing and promised software that supports the hard drive but doesn't require it.

They aren't abandoning much. They waited too long and now very few developers can find reason to bother.
 
[quote name='epobirs'][quote name='bluenatas09']I still think that abandoning the whole harddrive is pretty screwed up[/quote]

Look at the entire lineup of existing and promised software that supports the hard drive but doesn't require it.

They aren't abandoning much. They waited too long and now very few developers can find reason to bother.[/quote]

I suppose that's true. And it will save me money to go with the PC FFXI (should I want to play it) over the PS2 version. I guess I'll get over the crushing loss of an item I never used...in time.
 
What the heck is wrong with people? Why buy this if you have a PS2 already?

Can noone spend their money wiser than buying this crap?

I dont need to hear the GBA to GBA SP comparison either as the SP did have updates etc. ie rechargable, backlit, screen protection (by folding closed)

This is just smaller unit, doent support all games and possibly not the hard drive... OOOOH it has a built in adapter... stupid waste of money. IMHO.
 
Not their pics.. hell, not even pics, they're renders..

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notice the bottom.. design and specification subject to change.. so yeah.. not even final pics..
 
[quote name='Snake2715']What the heck is wrong with people? Why buy this if you have a PS2 already?

Can noone spend their money wiser than buying this crap?

I dont need to hear the GBA to GBA SP comparison either as the SP did have updates etc. ie rechargable, backlit, screen protection (by folding closed)

This is just smaller unit, doent support all games and possibly not the hard drive... OOOOH it has a built in adapter... stupid waste of money. IMHO.[/quote]

For me, space is always at a premium and my launch PS2 is getting a bit flakey about what discs it will and won't read anymore. If they didn't make this I'd probably just limp my PS2 until PS3 launched, but given that this has two good things about it, and the features it subtracts don't bother me (which I'll re-evaluate after I find out what games it won't support, I assume they just meant HD-dependent games) it seems like a good plan to trade in my existing PS2 for one of these.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Not their pics.. hell, not even pics, they're renders..

*snip image*

notice the bottom.. design and specification subject to change.. so yeah.. not even final pics..[/quote]

There's pics in the other link and other sites. They've got, if not a working model, then at least a pretty good mockup of one.
 
I think it's a pretty clever ploy, if the HDD suport is removed from all further PS2s, then it will add yet another reason to get the PSX. The way I see it they're majking the PSTwos for the casual gamer and the PSX for the hardcore elite. Of coarse there is a really good chance the PSX will never make it's way here.

Chances of a re-ramped Xbox or GCN are less than nil. The only reason Sony gets to do it is that all the PS2 parts come from internal dev houses (they are Sony after all), where as the parts for GCN and Xbox come from 3rd parties.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Not their pics.. hell, not even pics, they're renders..

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notice the bottom.. design and specification subject to change.. so yeah.. not even final pics..[/quote]

Other pictures show it in a context that is undoubtedly real. The picture with the open drive door appear to have beenshot at the briefing.

Disclaimers are only an indication of CYA. It negates liability from some idiot going nuts because some minor cosmetic element turned out to be a manufacturing problem.
 
I could do with some different color choices, actually. Not that I really hate the black and blue, it would just be nice to be able to get, say, silver, so it wouldn't look out of place in a home theatre cabinet with other like-colored components.
 
[quote name='jmcc']I could do with some different color choices, actually. Not that I really hate the black and blue, it would just be nice to be able to get, say, silver, so it wouldn't look out of place in a home theatre cabinet with other like-colored components.[/quote]

They'll save that for the summer doldrums and act like they're doing us a big favor.
 
come on, the old PS2 will never be rare. Gamestop and EB and all the other used games places will have tons of the old PS2s. Lots of people will "upgrade" their ps2 for one of these new pstwo's. I'm sure EB and the other places are going to roll out the "upgrade" deal as we speak.

I also don't think it looks so great in that photo, I need to see a better photo before I call they system sexy.
 
[quote name='KingDox']come on, the old PS2 will never be rare. Gamestop and EB and all the other used games places will have tons of the old PS2s. Lots of people will "upgrade" their ps2 for one of these new pstwo's. I'm sure EB and the other places are going to roll out the "upgrade" deal as we speak.

I also don't think it looks so great in that photo, I need to see a better photo before I call they system sexy.[/quote]

Perhaps in a Kate Moss or Twiggy sense. I try to reserve the term for thing that should actually elicit a sexual response. A game system isn't one of them.
 
[quote name='punqsux']omg flip top?!

imports XoDDDDDDDDDD[/quote]

if it allows you to play imports, I probably will sell some stuff and get a second PS2.
 
Actually I was looking into getting a PSone but if this can use the mobile monitor I might get this instead!

If there's any real incompatability issues they'll likely be with the same PSone titles that the PS2 couldnt use and maybe one or two really shitty PS2 titles that no one plays any more. (or they could be refering to the HDD titles)

As for the Lack of HDD support, the PS2 is approaching the end of it's life cycle anyway and it;s time for people to start developing for the PS3. they wont have any interest in developing more titles for the HDD unless they can port them over so this says to me that the PS3 will either not support the HDD or it will have it's own built in harddrive. It's also possibly they'll create a larger momory card with faster transfer speeds which would remove the need for an HDD entirely for the PS3. I wouldnt put it past sony of japan to add a port for an external HDD connection(the first HDDs were external as a matter of fact) but I think they feel the built in modem will be better received than anything.

Though this leads me to wonder if they think Dial up support is important then why arent they making more dialup friendly games? I'm part of that 40% and besides FFXI and Frequency/Amplitude many of the big online titles are Broadband only.


Lastly, the PSX was always meant for a limited market there is no way anyone who isnt already a millionare would have bothered with it at more than 5 times the price of the PS2 so this isnt some ploy to get people to buy it.
 
What a fucking disappointment. No HDD support? fuck you, Sony. I dumped 100 dollars into your half-baked idea, and you fuck me over. You can take your new PS2 and shove it. I hope you lose billions of dollars.
 
[quote name='daphatty']I don't know about putting a portable screen on that thing. That flip top looks like it would get in the way.[/quote]

No more so than on the PSone or GameCube. The screen has to be in the upright position to access the drive. Not a terrible inconvenience since you're unlikely to open the drive if you weren't about to use or had just finished using the screen.
 
[quote name='peteyrose'][quote name='Samurai T']I know, that design looks so slick. I can't believe it's that tiny. I most definitely want to buy that version of the PS2. I love small things, unlike that monster looking console, the Xbox.

I think it's a myth about being saying about PS2 and DRE. I've had my PS2 for a long time, played ir for 550 days straight, and it's the best working console for me out of the three. The only thing that ever happened was one freeze, but it was on a Blockbuster rental that never worked on any system. If any system has too many DRE, it's Xbox. Mine has been repaired way too many times and still barely works.[/quote]

I owned a PS2 for only five months and it crapped out on me yesterday. I am EXTREMELY upset, as I am OCD with taking care of my gaming stuff and this is the first time ever I have had anything break down. It's ridiculous.

And there's certainly no myth about PS2/DREs. There's freaking tutorials everywhere on how to fix it, and Sony acknowledges that it's a major problem. Stupid Sony.[/quote]I've taken care of my PS2 very well and it's worked really good, even now. I've taken it back and forth with me on vacations and it works. I even dropped it a little once.

The reason I said Xbox has more problems is because the people I know that have a Thompson drive, around 90% of them had problems within 2 months to a year like I did. I know very, very few people with PS2 problems, and most everyone I know has one.

I don't think Sony is stupid, there are my favorite company. That's what I got all Sony products.
 
[quote name='Mr. Anderson']What a shaq-fuing disappointment. No HDD support? shaq-fu you, Sony. I dumped 100 dollars into your half-baked idea, and you shaq-fu me over. You can take your new PS2 and shove it. I hope you lose billions of dollars.[/quote]

you never have to buy another PS2 memory card again ever though. That is my only disappiontment about lack of hard drive capabilities.
 
DREs where always an issue with early systems due to laser calibration problems I had my PS2 for 3 years before ever having a problem which Sony fixed for free.
 
[quote name='Mr. Anderson']What a shaq-fuing disappointment. No HDD support? shaq-fu you, Sony. I dumped 100 dollars into your half-baked idea, and you shaq-fu me over. You can take your new PS2 and shove it. I hope you lose billions of dollars.[/quote]

They cut it thanks to the piracy that the HDLoader brought on it. Didn't surprise me one bit when they said they cut it.
 
[quote name='O.D.D'][quote name='Mr. Anderson']What a shaq-fuing disappointment. No HDD support? shaq-fu you, Sony. I dumped 100 dollars into your half-baked idea, and you shaq-fu me over. You can take your new PS2 and shove it. I hope you lose billions of dollars.[/quote]

They cut it thanks to the piracy that the HDLoader brought on it. Didn't surprise me one bit when they said they cut it.[/quote]

I don't give a crap about piracy...I'm ever so pissed at Sony for rleasing a product that doesn't support first party add-ons and even apparently some games. I've never seen a game company totally piss on a portion it's fan base so blatantly as they are now.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='O.D.D'][quote name='Mr. Anderson']What a shaq-fuing disappointment. No HDD support? shaq-fu you, Sony. I dumped 100 dollars into your half-baked idea, and you shaq-fu me over. You can take your new PS2 and shove it. I hope you lose billions of dollars.[/quote]

They cut it thanks to the piracy that the HDLoader brought on it. Didn't surprise me one bit when they said they cut it.[/quote]

I don't give a crap about piracy...I'm ever so pissed at Sony for rleasing a product that doesn't support first party add-ons and even apparently some games. I've never seen a game company totally piss on a portion it's fan base so blatantly as they are now.[/quote]

It's hardly the first time. They dropped the Playstation serial port after deciding it wasn't seeing enough use and it could cut some cost. Most of the market never knew what it was for and didn't miss it. The situation is similar for the hard drive. The rank and file doesn't know what it is and doesn't particularly care, at least until versions of Madden and GTA that only work with the HDD are released. This should happen right after farting in the bathtub becomes an Olympic Event.
 
[quote name='Alpha2']Keep in mind that we almost didnt get the HDD at ALL.[/quote]

and it pretty much dosent matter that we did get it unless you play ff online
 
im surprised they could actually make it smaller than the PSone. It looks cool but the fliptop is a concern. Also, the system looks pretty damn fragile in general. I can imagine someone tripping over a normal PS2 or XBOX and it would be fine but for this I worry someone would just outright step on it and destroy it.
 
[quote name='epobirs'][quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='O.D.D'][quote name='Mr. Anderson']What a shaq-fuing disappointment. No HDD support? shaq-fu you, Sony. I dumped 100 dollars into your half-baked idea, and you shaq-fu me over. You can take your new PS2 and shove it. I hope you lose billions of dollars.[/quote]

They cut it thanks to the piracy that the HDLoader brought on it. Didn't surprise me one bit when they said they cut it.[/quote]

I don't give a crap about piracy...I'm ever so pissed at Sony for rleasing a product that doesn't support first party add-ons and even apparently some games. I've never seen a game company totally piss on a portion it's fan base so blatantly as they are now.[/quote]

It's hardly the first time. They dropped the Playstation serial port after deciding it was seeing enough use and it could cut some cost. Most of the market never knew what it was for and didn't miss it. The situation is similar for the hard drive. The rank and file doesn't know what it is and doesn't particularly care, at least until versions of Madden and GTA that only work with the HDD are released. This should happen right after farting in the bathtub becomes an Olympic Event.[/quote]

I didn't pay $90 for the serial port, so to me, I don't think it's the same thing. Also, why should I keep in mind that we almost didn't get it all. Am I supposed to be grateful that they produced a product you can't use? I realize FF XI is the only game that fully supports it right now, but what about all the other things Sony promised us, like downlaodable content and of course future support. Plus, one of the articles mentioned no support for a hadnful of games, not just FF XI. To me, it seems supporting all the games made for your system would be a smart thing to do. Eiter way, I hope they release that list before the new design streets, or they may have a small PR mess with people buying games that don't work. In the end, I (and many others) basically paid about the cost of the system for add-ons I can no longer use to play on the same system. Also, I noticed the article mentinoed a broadband network port, but what about dial-up users? I hope Sony doesn't freeze them out too (though I don't find them to be that stupid.

Also I agree with it looking awfully fragile (though it may not be first-hand, but it does look so). One aspect of the smaller design is so it's more compact and portable right? Well that doesn't matter too much if it breaks too easily. Actually my biggest concern would be someone tripping over the controller cord and the system ends up flying off my shelf and being dashed upon the floor.
 
[quote name='Alpha2']only a problem if you put it on the floor...where you shouldnt anyway.[/quote]
True, and I don't, but I can see it happening nonetheless.
 
eh, I think it looks kind of stupid. Like a normal PS2 sliced in half. I'm probably the minority here, but yeah. No thanks.
 
Like I said before, the system's at the end of it's life now if we didnt get downloadable content by now WE AINT GETTING IT. Ken Kutaragi basically said it himself that we arn't really ready for it (especially since their studies show 40% of their users connect by dail-up which makes large scale content delivery a pipedream). More than just FF11 uses the HDD especially in japan, but with the late release here, the games that used it there dont use it here, so there arnt enough games apparently to make it worth their while to continue trying to push it (atleast in the US while I still bet the Japanese will get an external case for the HDD if it's at all possible).

The fact that we almost didnt get it means that they weren't too convinced it was going to be as useful as they wanted it to be, which intern screw developers out of the chance to consider it as a viable product and limited the number of games they could have designed to use it.

As for the Compatability issue, we still dont know what games they;re even talking about so it's hardly worth getting worked up over untill they make a list.

Also, I noticed the article mentinoed a broadband network port, but what about dial-up users? I hope Sony doesn't freeze them out too (though I don't find them to be that stupid.
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it has the dail-up connection, you missed that part. But sadly it looks as if this hardly matters as most games being released are broadband only anyway...
 
Although it is still not confirmed what sony means by some "incompatible software" I am pretty sure they don't mean regular games. They are most likely refering to games that require the HD and maybe they are refering to stuff like hd loader or the zip drive software.

And as I predicted, I can already see a lot of gamers are miffed about the removal of HD support. I doubt sony is going to get away with selling this for more than $99

Regardless I ain't buying one until it is confirmed that this new version has NO DRE's and goes for $99
 
[quote name='ykryptonite13'][quote name='Alpha2']only a problem if you put it on the floor...where you shouldnt anyway.[/quote]
True, and I don't, but I can see it happening nonetheless.[/quote]

Call it a stupidity tax.

"Oh, damn, I stomped on my Ps2 by accident."

"Here's your sign."
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']

I didn't pay $90 for the serial port, so to me, I don't think it's the same thing. Also, why should I keep in mind that we almost didn't get it all. Am I supposed to be grateful that they produced a product you can't use? I realize FF XI is the only game that fully supports it right now, but what about all the other things Sony promised us, like downlaodable content and of course future support. Plus, one of the articles mentioned no support for a hadnful of games, not just FF XI. To me, it seems supporting all the games made for your system would be a smart thing to do. Eiter way, I hope they release that list before the new design streets, or they may have a small PR mess with people buying games that don't work. In the end, I (and many others) basically paid about the cost of the system for add-ons I can no longer use to play on the same system. Also, I noticed the article mentinoed a broadband network port, but what about dial-up users? I hope Sony doesn't freeze them out too (though I don't find them to be that stupid.

Also I agree with it looking awfully fragile (though it may not be first-hand, but it does look so). One aspect of the smaller design is so it's more compact and portable right? Well that doesn't matter too much if it breaks too easily. Actually my biggest concern would be someone tripping over the controller cord and the system ends up flying off my shelf and being dashed upon the floor.[/quote]

No, you paid $90 to subscribe to FF XI. My philosphy on add-on devices is that if they fail to immediately justify their purchase then it is probably a bad investment until better support can be demonstrated. For instance, if the stuff bundled with the EyeToy was the only software ever produced for it, would you still buy it? If the answer is yes then all the other EyeToy software is a bonus. If the answer is no, you've lost nothing.

This machine has a new version of the chip set that is slightly different due to integration and some bug fixes. Inevitably, there will be some games that touch the hardware at the lowest possible level and as such are highly vulnerable to minor changes in the hardware. Thems the breaks. I doubt the list will be much longer that covering the PS1 software that doesn't behave on the PS2.

If you examine the articles you'll find that analog modem support is built-in on US units as dial-up still makes up a large portion of users.

I'm not concerned that the unit will be fragile. The same was said about the PSone but mine has survived plenty of travel. I could easily flex it in my bare hands until it was rendered inoperable but this isn't the sort of thing it encounters in normal use. As for it risk of being pulled from a shelf, well, that is why they make wireless controllers.
 
[quote name='Alpha2']DREs where always an issue with early systems due to laser calibration problems I had my PS2 for 3 years before ever having a problem which Sony fixed for free.[/quote]

Points to Nintendo GameCube owned sinces launch day one and never failed.

I was just about ready to sell my PS2 and get one of these sleek lil numbers until i saw how you put the discs in... YUCK.
 
[quote name='pumbaa'][quote name='Alpha2']DREs where always an issue with early systems due to laser calibration problems I had my PS2 for 3 years before ever having a problem which Sony fixed for free.[/quote]

Points to Nintendo GameCube owned sinces launch day one and never failed.

I was just about ready to sell my PS2 and get one of these sleek lil numbers until i saw how you put the discs in... YUCK.[/quote]

My Xbox, PS2, and GameCube are all launch day units and none of them has had a read failure yet that wasn't visibly a bad disk. I've been lucky but it's just a matter of time before the primary mechanical part of the consoles fails.
 
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