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according to this story http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16934

Following the announcement that Sony plans to launch two versions of the PS3, Phil Harrison has denied reports that the 20GB model will feature lower technical specs than the 60GB version.


Phil harrison says "both versions will support high definition output: "It's just that the technical method of extracting audio and video from the devices is slightly different."
 
Since I would probably hook this up to a normal old TV I'm thinking I could probably go with the cheaper version. I'll still probably wait for a drop though.
 
[quote name='b0bx13']Sounds to me like that "difference" would be HDMI.[/QUOTE]

exactly.
 
Sony always puts ports on their consoles that end up practically useless, like the parallel port on the PS1 and the Firewire on PS2.

The HDMI is much more useful than those ports, but I'll probably never use it, and neither will a large chunk of the audience. Everything they cut from the $500 package is useless to me, anyway. Now if they would only cut another hundred bucks from the price.
 
The two machines do have significant differences. The $599 model offers a 60 GB hard drive. The $499 model has only a 20 GB hard drive and also lacks wi-fi capabilities, a memory card reader and an HDMI output for newer high definition televisions.

"We felt that if you want to save something on your Memory Stick, most people have those readers on their PC, which is easily adaptable to the PlayStation 3 with a USB cord," said Hirai.

"The only difference is HDMI – and at this point, I don't think many people's TV's have that. The ultimate result, to my eyes anyway, is there's not a discernable difference between what you get between HDMI and other forms of high definition."

http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/11/technology/e3_kaz/index.htm

May 11, 2006: 7:35 AM EDT
 
The funny thing is @ last E3 Sony was talking shit about the 360 stating it is not next generation without HDMI and 7.1 sound.
 
[quote name='jkam']Since I would probably hook this up to a normal old TV I'm thinking I could probably go with the cheaper version. I'll still probably wait for a drop though.[/quote]

wow i can't imagine hooking any of these next gen system up to anything other than a hdtv. i'd feel like i was only getting half of what i paid for...or something like that.
 
For gaming I agree the difference between HDMI and, say, Component is negligible if not non-existant. But my understanding has been that on Blu-Ray players and HD-DVD players a like, to get the HD output, an HDMI connection MUST be used, and as paranoid as Hollywood is right now about piracy, I don't forsee them letting Sony display Blu-Ray movies at 1080p over Component cables. So then that Blu-Ray drive is more or less worthless except as an overpriced DVD drive as far as movies are concerned.

What I find funny is last year Sony was talking TWO HDMI outputs and people were speculating that that could lead to 32:9 ratio gaming across two HDTVs. What a difference a year makes. I still wish 360 had an HDMI cable though, as one cable for 5.1 audio and HD is very awesome. I guess they could add one later (weren't they considering that a while ago?).
 
[quote name='spoo']The funny thing is @ last E3 Sony was talking shit about the 360 stating it is not next generation without HDMI and 7.1 sound.[/QUOTE]

Touche.
 
Makes you wonder where PSM got all the info printed in their last issue. Where's the $399 PS3 they were so confident about? No memory stick slot and a 20 Gig hard drive? I'm wondering if that will be sufficient to save several Next-Gen Games.
Not another Core versus Premium. Next we'll be told the WII is shipping in two versions. One will feature the motion sensor controllers we've been led to believe were standard. The other will use "GamePaques" which will look alot like NES cartridges and the controllers will look like Xbox's original Duke with the button layout of an Atari 2600.
 
[quote name='ragtop70']Makes you wonder where PSM got all the info printed in their last issue. Where's the $399 PS3 they were so confident about? No memory stick slot and a 20 Gig hard drive? I'm wondering if that will be sufficient to save several Next-Gen Games.
[/QUOTE]

Are you serious? You're wondering if 20 GB is going to be enough to hold game saves??
 
[quote name='ragtop70']No memory stick slot and a 20 Gig hard drive? I'm wondering if that will be sufficient to save several Next-Gen Games.[/QUOTE]
Uh...

My little 8MB card holds saves for all of my PS2 games...

I think 20GB should be able to hold a few...
 
[quote name='Stuka']I still wish 360 had an HDMI cable though, as one cable for 5.1 audio and HD is very awesome. I guess they could add one later (weren't they considering that a while ago?).[/quote]

Did you see the photos for the HD-DVD addon? It looks like there's 2 USB ports and 1 HDMI port on the back.

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/706/706982p1.html

No word if it's the latest HDMI spec though.
 
That's not HDMI. That's 2 USB ports and 1 USB mini-A style port, if I'm looking at the same picture you are. So, still no digital video out for Xbox360.

I have to say they could've designed that HD-DVD drive better too. I would expect that it would actually match the system a little better...like snap onto it or something. If I had one, I wouldn't know where to put it. Oh well, another reason for me to not want a 360. (Yep, I'm a Sony fan) ;)
 
After just reading that we will be able to upgrade with any size harddrive into the ps3 i think ill get the 499 version and then upgrade to a 300gig for 100bucks or cheaper later on probably much later on if needed.

you can save to memory cards through a usb cable and a memcard reader that most people who have pc's already have.But honestly ive' never carried around my memory cards anywhere. so this isnt a big deal to me that it has to be stored on the 20gig HDD.

Also im wondering if we will be able to just have game saves straight to our computer HDD through a simple usb cord setup.


Well i guess we still have 6 months to find out all the answers.
 
HDMI I could live without . I'm not going to buy a TV that supports it for a long time .

[quote name='spoo']The funny thing is @ last E3 Sony was talking shit [/QUOTE]

This statement can usually be made annually .

Where's the web browser from the Netscape deal ?

Where's the Yaroze games they were going to publish ?

Where's the PS2 network with a common username [Gamertag] ?
 
I will say that if I understand this right, which is that an external USB hard drive can be plugged into the PS3 and it will play music, movies, ect. from it and that SD card, USB thumb drives, and memory sticks can be used for game saves, that is definitely a good and impressive move on Sony's part. I really hope this pushes MS to do at least do the USB stuff because that's total bullshit IMO that right now a thumb drive can't be used for saves.
 
At least both versions will have Hard Drives, meaning developers will finally start putting custom soundtrack support on PS3 games. This is a feature that I just adore on my Xbox and all game consoles should over it, all games should allow you to use it (I'm looking at you Gran Turismo HD).

As for HDMI, is there really a noticeable difference when using it. It seems the only TV that would be able to take advantage would be displays larger than 50 inches that can do 1080p.
 
[quote name='reiji']That's not HDMI. That's 2 USB ports and 1 USB mini-A style port, if I'm looking at the same picture you are. So, still no digital video out for Xbox360.

I have to say they could've designed that HD-DVD drive better too. I would expect that it would actually match the system a little better...like snap onto it or something. If I had one, I wouldn't know where to put it. Oh well, another reason for me to not want a 360. (Yep, I'm a Sony fan) ;)[/QUOTE]

Considering USB cable lengths, it shouldn't be a problem finding a place to put the drive. If you're that short on space you probably aren't in the market for a PS3.

Where and how would you propose having the drive attach directly to the Xbox 360 case? Having the freedom to place it anywhere desire seems a far better approach to me. Also, the styling certainly matches the 360. Have you ever seen the ugly outboard hard drives the first gen PS2 owners were offered in Japan? For reasons defying explanation the first PS2s had a slot for a PCMCIA Type III drive instead of a standard 3.5" PC-typical drive. It wsn't until after they'd started manufacturing that they remembered that Type III drives cost a lot more for the same capacity and it was dumb to expect consumers to buy that. So they made a cable and cradle combo that attached to an upright PS2, so the first 300,000 or so machines could have a HDD Kit. Looked awful.

While it makes ample sense to have a USB hub on the HD-DVD drive, having HDMI on the drive itself does not.

To keep the price down, the Xbox 360 must do as much of the work as possible short of actually reading the disc. This means at the very least decoding the encrypted and compressed data stream. Having the AV output on the drive unit itself would mean that either an unencrypted and decompressed stream is traveling back from the Xbox, or the drive itself is doing the decryption/decompression task. The former is unlikely because the MPAA would have a conniption fit at the existence of a device ideally suited to allow the capture of that unprotected data stream, and the latter is just as unlikely due to the cost. Why bother making an add-on that could operate as a standalone device?
 
[quote name='Stuka']I will say that if I understand this right, which is that an external USB hard drive can be plugged into the PS3 and it will play music, movies, ect. from it and that SD card, USB thumb drives, and memory sticks can be used for game saves, that is definitely a good and impressive move on Sony's part. I really hope this pushes MS to do at least do the USB stuff because that's total bullshit IMO that right now a thumb drive can't be used for saves.[/QUOTE]

Don't be surprised if there are limitations placed on the use of non-Sony drives and media, just like the Xbox 360. This is for two reasons. The companies want to sell you items with a substantial markup that help reduce their losses on the consoles themselves, and they want to restrict access to saved data to prevent both piracy and cheating.

You'll be able to bring pictures from your camera and music, etc., but going the other way could be tricky.

Memory stick does have DRM functionality, so they may let you buy PSP downloaded games through the PS3.

In general, don't expect total freedom. This isn't a PC.
 
Well, considering Sony doesn't make USB thumb drives or HDD last time I checked, they can't really limit those too much. It's like an all or nothing thing. Although if they do like MS where you can't use them to save games, that fucking sucks.
 
[quote name='epobirs']Don't be surprised if there are limitations placed on the use of non-Sony drives and media, just like the Xbox 360. This is for two reasons. The companies want to sell you items with a substantial markup that help reduce their losses on the consoles themselves, and they want to restrict access to saved data to prevent both piracy and cheating.

You'll be able to bring pictures from your camera and music, etc., but going the other way could be tricky.

Memory stick does have DRM functionality, so they may let you buy PSP downloaded games through the PS3.

In general, don't expect total freedom. This isn't a PC.[/QUOTE]



They have already confirmed total freedom.


Phil harrison

" If you want to put all your music on your hard disc drive, you'll probably go for the 60GB version. If you're a complete music fan and video fan, and you want to have huge amounts of digital content, then you can upgrade to whatever size of drive you like. You can put any in that you like - it is a computer, after all.

So that hard drive is a standard PC drive?

ATA, bog standard, yeah."
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Uh...

My little 8MB card holds saves for all of my PS2 games...

I think 20GB should be able to hold a few...[/QUOTE]

Jeez what games do you have because I've filled like 2-3 memory cards PERIOD. This is why I love my XBox for games that are on both because I've probably saved $35-100 on memory cards alone because of the HDD. Sadly enough this whole stupid problem could've been a thing of the past if Sony would've included a Memory Stick adapter for the memory card slot but instead they wanna gouge people.
Funny enough I have a 1018 memory card with a decently comparable amount of games on Gamecube and I'm sure it will MORE than easily carry every single save. Why? Because Nintendo FORCED developers to get use to compressing data more in terms of saves and the ONE game they had that took up an entire memory card(Animal Crossing) comes with one to cover it. These game console companies need to FORCE developers to do more with less when it comes to saves. Better believe if I was a console company I'd crack like a motherfucker on 3rd parties when it comes to save space saying, "Would you rather have the consumer buying an extra storage device and other game when they would buy you with the extra being absorbed by the memory card?". This argument mainly applies to companies like Atlus when compared to Konami, DMC3 to SMT. Seriously it's awful on PC when devs. think they can just dump the entire game on the HDD even. Look at MGS2 on PC even or MGS, it's insane.
 
while the cheap version CAN do hidef (either 720p or 1080i) through component cables, only the more expensive unit with the HDMI output can do 1080p. there are already several PS3 games slated to run in 1080p (check IGN...they have a list in one of their E3 articles). also blu-ray movies will support 1080p output. there are not a lot of 1080p sets out there currently (only in the past year or so), however they will likely be standard on hidef tvs from here on out. so without the expensive PS3 and relatively new tv, you will not be able to view material in its highest available resolution.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Jeez what games do you have because I've filled like 2-3 memory cards PERIOD. This is why I love my XBox for games that are on both because I've probably saved $35-100 on memory cards alone because of the HDD. Sadly enough this whole stupid problem could've been a thing of the past if Sony would've included a Memory Stick adapter for the memory card slot but instead they wanna gouge people.
Funny enough I have a 1018 memory card with a decently comparable amount of games on Gamecube and I'm sure it will MORE than easily carry every single save. Why? Because Nintendo FORCED developers to get use to compressing data more in terms of saves and the ONE game they had that took up an entire memory card(Animal Crossing) comes with one to cover it. These game console companies need to FORCE developers to do more with less when it comes to saves. Better believe if I was a console company I'd crack like a motherfucker on 3rd parties when it comes to save space saying, "Would you rather have the consumer buying an extra storage device and other game when they would buy you with the extra being absorbed by the memory card?". This argument mainly applies to companies like Atlus when compared to Konami, DMC3 to SMT. Seriously it's awful on PC when devs. think they can just dump the entire game on the HDD even. Look at MGS2 on PC even or MGS, it's insane.[/quote]

3 cards...woah a whole 24 mb, i guess that 20gb really WONT last you with all that storage you have going on there
 
[quote name='Richlough']http://www.sony.net/Products/Media/Microvault/

They used to have them at Target .[/quote]

[FONT=verdana, gil sans, geneva, helvetica]Touché[/FONT].

In other, more fucked up news:

Saturday 13 May 2006
Sony has today cleared up the confusion over the differences in specification between the two models of PlayStation 3 - and the cheaper version won't support wireless controllers.

As announced by the company on Monday, two versions of PS3 will be available at launch - one with a 60GB hard drive, and a less pricy model that features a 20GB hard drive. However, what the company didn't mention at the time is that the 20GB machine also lacks a number of key features that are included as standard in the more expensive model.

The 20GB console won't include an HDMI output, which means that it won't be able to deliver high definition pictures. But perhaps more disappointing is that wireless bluetooth controllers won't be supported; instead, gamers will have to make do with retro-style wired-up versions of the increasingly controversial PS3 pad.
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LINK

This is the first I've heard of that, but if it's true, that's beyond retarded.

EDIT: To include article Link
 
I'm almost positive no wireless in the $499 means no wireless internet connection built in. The PS3 controllers use Bluetooth for their connection, which is separate from WiFi.
 
[quote name='slimpip']I'm almost positive no wireless in the $499 means no wireless internet connection built in. The PS3 controllers use Bluetooth for their connection, which is separate from WiFi.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, this has been confirmed. The cheaper model will not have built in wifi.
 
I dont have a 60' Projectortv...

Nor do I need Wifi.

And I dont need to download 40 gigs worth of music and pictures of my dog.

$499 one is good enough for me....
 
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