New (true new gen hardware) portable announced: Nintendo 3DS

[quote name='johnnypark']To all the naysayers, I recall everyone saying WTF to the DS when it first launched. With Nintendo I'm always cautiously optimistic.[/QUOTE]

The original DS was horrible though! Also, Nintendo has had TONs of failures in the past (Virtual Boy, ROB, the e-Reader, the MAX, the Super Scope, the GB Printer, GB Camera, etc.). I'm not as optimistic as you - I love the DS but I (kind of) hate the Wii so who the hell knows.
 
[quote name='Cao Cao']Off-Topic: Funny that this video came out today, the first one online that shows Nintendo's Virtual Boy tech demos at CES 1995, with some unreleased titles there (StarFox, Super Mario Land).
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I'm so happy that there's live action footage of these games. I'm a semi-follower of the VB scene-- it's bizarre that this footage took this long to come out.
 
[quote name='javeryh']The original DS was horrible though! Also, Nintendo has had TONs of failures in the past (Virtual Boy, ROB, the e-Reader, the MAX, the Super Scope, the GB Printer, GB Camera, etc.). I'm not as optimistic as you - I love the DS but I (kind of) hate the Wii so who the hell knows.[/QUOTE]

The hardware case was awful and showcased a rare instance where Nintendo panicked and rushed a prototype device to market. The concept was good enough to overcome the bulkiness of the original DS.

Additionally, ROB was a resounding success as a marketing tool in that it launched the Nintendo to America. ROB as a peripheral, as all the others, of course failed to really catch on, peripherals normally fail to gain market share, although the tend to be moderate money makers. Of note, only the PlayStations Dual Shock has been a successful peripheral. The Wii Motion Plus and the Wii Balance Board are certainly making strides though.

Nintendo's only real failures have been The Virtual Boy and pricing strategies in Europe in that they have taken a bath financially.
 
I have to admit, I'm intrigued... though the timing of this announcement is bizarre, to say the least.

This has certainly hampered my enthusiasm for getting a DSi XL Day One. You couldn't wait a week, Nintendo? I would've gladly given you my monies already! ;)
 
[quote name='javeryh']The original DS was horrible though! Also, Nintendo has had TONs of failures in the past (Virtual Boy, ROB, the e-Reader, the MAX, the Super Scope, the GB Printer, GB Camera, etc.). I'm not as optimistic as you - I love the DS but I (kind of) hate the Wii so who the hell knows.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. I wouldn't call the original DS horrible, but if it hadn't had so many good games on it then it's awkwardness might have killed it.

And I really liked my Super Scope... even if I only ever played Battle Clash. But damn that game was good!
 
Any of you find it strange that 3D feature wasn't leaked by some anonymous developer already? Nintendo could have taken Wii Motion Plus tactic and shown the new portable to very select developers and ignored everyone else. Which could mean expect very low amount of titles for the first year or two just like Motion Plus.
 
Damn battle clash was great. Although I did more watching my brother play it than playing it myself since I sucked.
 
[quote name='laaj']Any of you find it strange that 3D feature wasn't leaked by some anonymous developer already? Nintendo could have taken Wii Motion Plus tactic and shown the new portable to very select developers and ignored everyone else. Which could mean expect very low amount of titles for the first year or two just like Motion Plus.[/QUOTE]

Maybe they just gave out dev kits and/or specs, without revealing the 3D screen? Developers wouldn't have to code for 3D since the screen handles it automatically.
 
[quote name='Vinny']Maybe they just gave out dev kits and/or specs, without revealing the 3D screen? Developers wouldn't have to code for 3D since the screen handles it automatically.[/QUOTE]

That will be a terrible decision by Nintendo unless they have some solid 1st or 2nd party titles to feature the 3D screen. Asking developers to make 3D games now in time for launch date will be total fail.
 
[quote name='laaj']That will be a terrible decision by Nintendo unless they have some solid 1st or 2nd party titles to feature the 3D screen. Asking developers to make 3D games now in time for launch date will be total fail.[/QUOTE]

Well, we don't know when it'll launch. They said it would be playable at E3, which leads me to think that they might be considering a holiday release at the end of the year.

Maybe developers have had kits for a while now and for once, everyone kept their mouths shut?:lol:

It seems like Nintendo is going a little crazy with all these DSes... so who knows?
 
glad that Nintendo has finally announced a true sequel to the DS. I was a bit worried with the XL coming out that we might be seeing an infinite amount of DS renditions instead of true upgrades. Strange that Nintendo even bothered with the XL actually with this not being that far in the future. Even more of a bad move to have it announced before the sale of the XL here. Though I wasn't planning on buying it anyway. Nor did I plan on getting the DS Lite or DSi.
 
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Maybe developers have had kits for a while now and for once, everyone kept their mouths shut?:lol:
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Sure... :roll: I understand is always a tradeoff between showing to lot of developers for strong launch and leaks that comes with it or showing it to few and controlling the leaks.

Guess which way Nintendo always tend to lean.
 
How many pillars do we need?

I've gotta see some games before I make my mind up either way on this. I'm guessing we'll get a 1st party puzzle game, a shit-ass rushed to market prototype from the WarioWare team and one of Miyamato's projects (is it sad that Nintendogs got me to buy a second DS). Oh and Animal Crossing 3D. It will be hard going from the big asssss gramma screens on the XL to smaller ones again.

So uh yeah capping that off. If Miyamato releases something amazing and SQEX gives me some more DQ remakes I'll be down for this.
 
:lol: Found a new version of an old meme on Tinycartridge:
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I'm not sure what it means by successor. I need to see more than just 3D effects slapped on a DS. The idea sounds good, but we need a successor not the same thing again with a rarity of good games.
(Pokemon, MM: Clash of Heroes to name a few recent good ones) (Pony Heroes 4, Imagine Dolphinz to name the countless bad ones)

It needs a graphics update, an online (wifi) update, well a lot more really. I woudn't mind dropping the dual screen (Developer system or dual screen?), touch controls are hardly ever useful or necessary (besides keyboards)...

And it's all in the software. We just need good developers, Nintendo is one of them but as far as the DS there are not enough other ones that put out a lot of games.
 
I'm afraid 3D is here to stay (at least until they figure out total VR or you get comfortable with Digital Distribution). This was one of primary reasons why I never picked up an HDTV or BD player. Their only problem (manufacturers) is how they can make these 3D devices affordable to the consumer.

I remember seeing that "hologram" crap used in the 2008 Presidential Election Night back in 1997 when I was at Fort Bragg (Funny thing is, it looked much better then. Not that Star Wars "Princess Leia" crap they showed).

It's nothing new. All this "new" 3D technology in video/hand held consoles has been around for a while. Getting it to look authentic as it "almost" does now and you purchasing it is a whole different matter (If I was a betting man, I would assume a Mario or Pokemon game will coincide with it's launch).

I like my GBA slot and I'm pretty sure 3D without the glasses or some sort of peripheral aren't good for me or my kid's eyes, so hopefully they'll drop/clearance out the DSLs.
 
I don't get it. They don't do an HD console because better graphics don't mean better gameplay, HD is just a gimmick, etc. etc.... but 3D is different?

Also, it's kind of strange that they'd announce this so early without showing it, or even any details.

That said, as long as the screen is higher resolution than the DS's, I'm happy.
 
[quote name='pete5883']I don't get it. They don't do an HD console because better graphics don't mean better gameplay, HD is just a gimmick, etc. etc.... but 3D is different?[/QUOTE]

The only thing I can think of is that HDTV is a gimmick because they didn't do it first. 3D is not because they will likely be the first handheld to market with the 3D capabilities?

Unless it allows for some method of gameplay that makes games more FUN then I can live without it.
 
thing will FLOP>.. Yes go see a movie right now in 3D for a few hours nothing bad happens.. Play a 3d game for 2 to 4 hours a day for a year and it could really #$$#$# your eyes up,,,
 
Reminds me when the old View Master went 3D. They used a layer approach. Commercial zoomed in on it, looked 3Dish, no glasses. Except when you actually viewed it, and it was far from 3D. Sure, you could see the layers, so it wasn't 2D, but not quite what the commercial showed. View Master soon died out.

3D didn't take in the 1950's. The 1980's revival was ovr as soon as it started. 3D will soon fail now. AT leats until they get glassless systemns with hologram projections.
 
[quote name='007']I have to admit, I'm intrigued... though the timing of this announcement is bizarre, to say the least.

This has certainly hampered my enthusiasm for getting a DSi XL Day One. You couldn't wait a week, Nintendo? I would've gladly given you my monies already! ;)[/QUOTE]

Same here. I have an XL all but $20 paid off and now I'm like... "hmmm, maybe not".

Bah, I can't lie, I'll still get the XL. I sold my DS Lite to help pay for it and I can't leave all these DS games as orphans for a year.
 
I think they are going with 3D as a way to differentiate it from the iPhone/iPod touch, which in spite of what they've claimed in the past, is their competitor, and indeed their main competitor now. The PSP has a smaller market share then the iPod touch/iPhone, and the iPhone/touch are eating slowly away at the DS's lead as well. The iPod touch doesn't have 3D. So there you go. It's a gimmick, but maybe some fun stuff could be done with it and it will give them something the others don't have. The Wii is fine as-is because it's still in the lead. If there is a need for HD, the market isn't showing it. At least not yet.

As for the current DS and the touchscreen not being useful. Are you kidding? Some of the best DS games are purely touchscreen based (Rhythm Heaven, Elite Beat Agents, Meteos, etc.) and couldn't be done any other way. I wonder if they are going to ditch the stylus and go capacitive like the iPod touch. That has it's benefits and disadvantages, but since that's the main competition....
 
[quote name='pete5883']HD is just a gimmick[/QUOTE]

Oh this is nonsense. Nintendo has never said this. They've said over and over "we'll do HD when we feel the time is right." They've never denied it as being the natural progression.

Come on now.
 
For anyone wondering why the announcement was made before the XL came out worldwide, I have an idea.

Now Nintendo wanted to announce the whole 3D so people would get it out of their heads and discussed it to death and at E3 they can showcase the games and people will no longer be in shock about the initial announcement. They did the samething with the original DS, the wii controller and the name for the Wii. Now you could have announced that after the XL and before the E3 so why before?

Well if you notice what is launching in a week, none other than Apple's ipad, and what better way to steal some sales by saying their new handheld is coming out and offers something the ipad doesn't, 3D.

Now you may say that the ipad is not a threat to Nintendo but you couldn't be more wrong. The iphone sneaked its way into the handheld gaming market and is making huge progress. Nintendo and Sony are obviously seeing this, the iphone already took a large chunk of the PSP's market. This is why Sony released the PSP Go, to compete with the iphone but failed terribly at it. Nintendo has also made it known that they've been looking at the iphone. Because of it we got the DSi which had downloadable games and a game store like the iphone. You can bet that the new 3DS will have an accelerometer and rumble just like the iphone. Now you may say that the two markets are different and thats not true, Nintendo is going for an older audience which Apple currently is stealing away with their iphone games and as technology gets cheaper you can bet that in a few years kids will have iphones, a lot of teenagers already do. Now the ipad has gotten a lot of hate online, mostly because people were expecting a tablet not a big iphone however read the hands-on from anyone who actually touched and used the device, every single one of them loved it. I think its foolish to think that the ipad is not going to be a huge hit once people touch it and people will play games on nit. Heck I want one just for that as well. So yeah this announcement was made a week before the ipad is released for that reason and expect the 3DS to have features the iphone has. This is good news since there is finally a legit contender in the handheld gaming market and Nintendo has to keep up and not just cruise around being the market leader since if they don't Apple will slowly take it away. I mean the iphone might cause Nintendo to re-think their strategy and allow say their downloadable games to be played in any of their consoles just how apple does it, so if a Virtual Console is released for the 3DS then you could share your games from the Wii to the 3DS only having to purchase your game once. There really is no other explanation, this announcement will cannibalize the XLs sales. I was planning on getting one since I figures the DS still had two years or so of life left but with this announcement I'm happy waiting, I know I've read plenty of people say the same thing.
 
One neat way for 3D is for Castlevania game. Make it so that there are 3 different layered areas. Background, default, and foreground. For example only certain weapons could attack enemies on different layers but those attacks will be weak on the layer you're on.
 
After seeing how it works in Wordfu for iPhone, I think this could be pretty cool... as long as it works better than it does in Wordfu.
 
Alright so I'm torn here guys. I want the DSi XL for the larger screens. I currently have a 1st gen DS that works fine, but I just want the newest version of the DS to play all of my backlog games on this summer. Should I take the plunge and get the XL day 1 or should I hold off until E3 to see what this 3D version is all about?
 
[quote name='Pck21']Alright so I'm torn here guys. I want the DSi XL for the larger screens. I currently have a 1st gen DS that works fine, but I just want the newest version of the DS to play all of my backlog games on this summer. Should I take the plunge and get the XL day 1 or should I hold off until E3 to see what this 3D version is all about?[/QUOTE]
You're likely looking at Late 2011/Early 2012 at the earliest this thing is gonna make it here. If you want to play DS games this summer, get a DSi.
 
[quote name='Pck21']Alright so I'm torn here guys. I want the DSi XL for the larger screens. I currently have a 1st gen DS that works fine, but I just want the newest version of the DS to play all of my backlog games on this summer. Should I take the plunge and get the XL day 1 or should I hold off until E3 to see what this 3D version is all about?[/QUOTE]

Just get a DSi on sale somewhere. I would not reccommend an XL. The reason is the games are just blown up to fit the larger screens, not remade for the technology. Although the jump to the original phat DS to a DSi will be a big one.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']Just get a DSi on sale somewhere. I would not reccommend an XL. The reason is the games are just blown up to fit the larger screens, not remade for the technology. Although the jump to the original phat DS to a DSi will be a big one.[/QUOTE]

Oh really? So the larger screens will just stretch the picture basically, not make them larger or crisper via resolution and such? Yikes. Maybe I will just get a DSi then...

Is there anything better on the XL than the DSi? I've heard that the networking is easier and better on the XL...?
 
Oh lawd.... What a weird idea... Meh...

After this gen what are we going to have? Games you control with your HIVEMIND!!!
 
So after looking up prices for the DSi, the black one I want looks like it is $169.00 everywhere. For $20 more, I would rather get the DSi XL with the larger screens just because it's newer and I've wanted a new DS with larger screens for a while now. I went ahead and pre-ordered me a DSi XL on Amazon, bronze color. I think I'll be happy with my purchase! Thanks!
 
I went to my local GS to pick up cursed mtn and I asked if they had a display xl; he said they did but he actually showed me the one he bought for himself. I like the large screens and since I have big hands; I like the size. I have been playing my dsi at home lately so the portability isn't a factor. I'm really considering getting one for the screen size.
 
[quote name='Lawyers Guns N Money']You're likely looking at Late 2011/Early 2012 at the earliest this thing is gonna make it here. If you want to play DS games this summer, get a DSi.[/QUOTE]

Nintendo stated that it will launch by March 2011. I know Nintendo has been launching their DS redesigns here much later here than in Japan but you need to remember that the original DS came out a couple weeks earlier here than in Japan and the GBA came out about two months after Japan. I'm expecting the 3DS to come out around the same time here as it does in Japan.
 
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