New York Obesity Tax

I remember in California when they wanted to stop making new fast food Restaurants in economically depressed areas where there was high obesity. The ony thing I can picture is Dennys and Ihop going "Oh yes pass this bill. Come into our restaraunt and get a healthy grand slam slugger with six pieces of sausage and eight pancakes."

But one thing I would do to help obesity besides awareness is lower the damn price on healthy foods. They cost so damn much that it's cheaper to eat shit. 33 cents for ramen or four dollars a pound for lean meat when the 30% fat meat is like 1.60 a pound. Yes obesity is usually the persons fault for making bad decisions, but the cost of healthy food isn't helping either.

I also support the hooker tax. Legalize it then tax the shit out of em. They don't deserve easy money for opening their legs. 40% tax on them. I wish I could open my legs and get 80 dollars for 15 minutes of nothing.
 
[quote name='hhhdx4']Do you realize how in debt New York is? Would you rather they taxed necessities?


there is nothing wrong with taxing conveniences when the state is in this much trouble, get off your high horse on the other side of the country and realize this.[/quote]

Yeah, but whose fault is it that the state is in debt? The already over-taxed NYers, or the corrupt politicians who misspend out money?

Albany is known for being a very corrupt and inefficient political hub.

I think there should be a tax on stupid politicians.
 
Corrupt Politicians didn't misspend the money, the NYC budget was simply scaled up to a level that was commensurate with the income coming in from all those huge Wall Street investment banks in taxes. Now its got to scale down to deal with that massive loss of income.

And by definition all politicians are stupid because they usually wind up pissing off 50% of the people.
So for every happy mother who finds out they are going to get free after school programs, there is a group of angry AARP people upset that they wont be getting their extra senior bus.

For every new playground, there is a guy whos angry the city wont be getting that extra snowplow...etc, etc, etc.
 
And how will this help??? The govener should just call it taxing instead of having a name so it sounds better.

IF FAT people drink diet soda you think they will lose weight? NO i see fat people on the train eating a huge farking meal and drinking their soda.

LOOK fat people ruin everything, they walk slow on the stairs, even downstairs
they take up 1 1/2 of a seat on the subway
they walk slow and hog up the sidewalk
 
For all of you just joining the thread let me sum it up for you.

"Get your lynching ropes boys! We got some fatties to put up in the trees! Oh wait, can we even get them up the tree? Just buy some bullets I have the gun"
 
I know Blind Patterson doesn't care what he does its not like he was elected to office, and he doesn't necessarily need any of the publics favor. He's just trying to fill the budget gap by any means possible. I mean even before the economy hit the shitter he decided to go ahead with what Spitzer decided not to do, and that was the "Amazon Tax" which in itself effected other companies like Overstock and Newegg, but Newegg told em back in August to go screw. I mean being a NYer does not have its benefits when it comes to getting taxed to shit. I mean where is all the money going?Oh well /rant
 
I dont fault the guy for wanting to make revenue, but instead of taxing sugary drinks, he should simply tax all foods higher. Period. Enough so that way the tax spreads out across anyone who wants to have a meal in NYC, but not so much that it hits certain people harder than others. A tiny tax on all food products that wont be felt particularly harshly by anyone in particular.

I agree 100% with the other poster...how can you tax "bad foods" which 9 times out of 10 equates to CHEAP foods, without providing a healthier and equally priced alternative? Otherwise you just get the poor and fixed-income folks up in arms. Of course these poor and fixed-income folks are often times the same folks who aer the unhealthiest. Yes, it does cost money to eat healthy.

This is just the same mentality they had about cigarettes, lets tax the crap out of bad stuff to help deter people from doing it. So how does he solve his budget problem?

He taxes everything, and cuts services until an equilibrium can be met. The question is how much of your soul do you sell to reach that equilibrium...do you close schools, fire cops...thats what life was like in the 70's. The city was a cesspool because there wasn't any money being directed to save it. It took private investors to start pulling NYC out of the muck (like Trump), etc.
 
[quote name='flatliner718']I know Blind Patterson doesn't care what he does its not like he was elected to office, and he doesn't necessarily need any of the publics favor. He's just trying to fill the budget gap by any means possible. I mean even before the economy hit the shitter he decided to go ahead with what Spitzer decided not to do, and that was the "Amazon Tax" which in itself effected other companies like Overstock and Newegg, but Newegg told em back in August to go screw. I mean being a NYer does not have its benefits when it comes to getting taxed to shit. I mean where is all the money going?Oh well /rant[/quote]

This. I know for a fact that it's not going to Syracuse. The median income here is half what it is in NYC, yet we still pay a shitload in taxes, and where does it go? Who the fuck knows.
 
[quote name='HeadRusch']I dont fault the guy for wanting to make revenue, but instead of taxing sugary drinks, he should simply tax all foods higher. Period. Enough so that way the tax spreads out across anyone who wants to have a meal in NYC, but not so much that it hits certain people harder than others. A tiny tax on all food products that wont be felt particularly harshly by anyone in particular.

I agree 100% with the other poster...how can you tax "bad foods" which 9 times out of 10 equates to CHEAP foods, without providing a healthier and equally priced alternative? Otherwise you just get the poor and fixed-income folks up in arms. Of course these poor and fixed-income folks are often times the same folks who aer the unhealthiest. Yes, it does cost money to eat healthy.

This is just the same mentality they had about cigarettes, lets tax the crap out of bad stuff to help deter people from doing it. So how does he solve his budget problem?

He taxes everything, and cuts services until an equilibrium can be met. The question is how much of your soul do you sell to reach that equilibrium...do you close schools, fire cops...thats what life was like in the 70's. The city was a cesspool because there wasn't any money being directed to save it. It took private investors to start pulling NYC out of the muck (like Trump), etc.[/quote]


Agreed, and I don't even drink soda; I stick to the teas. I mean closing some of the firehouses because on paper they didn't respond to that many fires in general....Ummm so what about when there is one? You won't have the zone covered and tragedy could strike..Also eliminating the Police Academy classes that start in January was in fact a good idea..(budget saver) and this is coming from someone who was recently laid off from his job. Hell my friend just got in and not by much and finishes at the academy next week. In general spreading this tax out would make total sense....treat it like the bottle and can deposits if you want. I mean not everyone goes and gets that 5 cent deposit back.....so you snooze you lose..and it creates an awareness...Eh I don't know how you could do that with certain other things, but hopefully someone sees where I'm getting at.
 
See, I always thought that people should only get taxed for the shit they use. If you go to jail, you pay a jail and police tax. If you have kids and send them to a public school, you should pay a school tax. If you go on welfare, once you start making money on your own, you should pay a welfare tax. Why should I have to pay taxes on shit I don't use?
 
[quote name='Temporaryscars']See, I always thought that people should only get taxed for the shit they use. If you go to jail, you pay a jail and police tax. If you have kids and send them to a public school, you should pay a school tax. If you go on welfare, once you start making money on your own, you should pay a welfare tax. Why should I have to pay taxes on shit I don't use?[/quote]

Just make believe that all the money you pay in taxes only goes towards the things you use. It's not like they label it.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']I love when politicians force their ideals onto the people and restrict the people's freedom "for the people's own good!"

What a stupid fucking asshole.[/QUOTE]

QFT +1
 
[quote name='HeadRusch']I dont fault the guy for wanting to make revenue, but instead of taxing sugary drinks, he should simply tax all foods higher. Period. Enough so that way the tax spreads out across anyone who wants to have a meal in NYC, but not so much that it hits certain people harder than others. A tiny tax on all food products that wont be felt particularly harshly by anyone in particular.

I agree 100% with the other poster...how can you tax "bad foods" which 9 times out of 10 equates to CHEAP foods, without providing a healthier and equally priced alternative? Otherwise you just get the poor and fixed-income folks up in arms. Of course these poor and fixed-income folks are often times the same folks who aer the unhealthiest. Yes, it does cost money to eat healthy.

This is just the same mentality they had about cigarettes, lets tax the crap out of bad stuff to help deter people from doing it. So how does he solve his budget problem?

He taxes everything, and cuts services until an equilibrium can be met. The question is how much of your soul do you sell to reach that equilibrium...do you close schools, fire cops...thats what life was like in the 70's. The city was a cesspool because there wasn't any money being directed to save it. It took private investors to start pulling NYC out of the muck (like Trump), etc.[/quote]


Dumb. Food is a necessity in case you didn't know. Sugar-loaded, high fructose corn syrup, phosphoric acid filled drinks are NOT. Just like cigarettes are not. Raise taxes on food? Are you kidding? Why not tax air?
You said yourself "good" food is more expensive, already. So, why tax it more??

Last I checked water is cheap. And that's all you really need to drink. People are going to go into shock if we ever, as a country, have to go back to bare necessities for some reason.
 
[quote name='HowStern']Dumb. Food is a necessity in case you didn't know. Sugar-loaded, high fructose corn syrup, phosphoric acid filled drinks are NOT.
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Why should those items in particular be signled out...why not donuts, pastries, ice cream.......in several cities across America they banned sugary drinks from sale in schools....they found it helped not 1 bit, not one.

Just like cigarettes are not. Raise taxes on food? Are you kidding? Why not tax air?
You said yourself "good" food is more expensive, already. So, why tax it more??
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Oh I'm sorry, were you trying to think?

I'm waiting for your helpful solution to the problem.....

Last I checked water is cheap. And that's all you really need to drink. People are going to go into shock if we ever, as a country, have to go back to bare necessities for some reason.
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So you're saying "fuck you poor people if all you can afford to drink is water", pretty much.
Regardless of your best intentions to tax only things that are "bad for you", thats how your idea will be perceived. And water is sometimes pretty nasty stuff when its coming out of a rusted tap in your tenement building, and not the $1000 filtered tap you probably suckle at. Just something to keep in mind.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']Same here. They can tax soda as much as they want, I don't care.[/quote]

Right! Why be concerned about your fellow Americans and their well being? As long as your needs are met!
 
[quote name='HeadRusch']Why should those items in particular be signled out...why not donuts, pastries, ice cream......[/QUOTE]

That's the way it should be, and I think it is somewhat like that in some states. Most food isn't taxed--definitely not milk, bread, produce, soups--you know real food. But chips, soda, ice cream etc. is taxed and the normal state sales tax rate.

I don't think we should have a big tax on junk food, soda, etc. What they should do everywhere is just not have regular sales tax on essential foods, but have it apply to junk foods, soda etc. Give's people a break on food they need, and puts a small tax on junk food--but not enough to make it unaffordable.

[quote name='HowStern']You can get a brita filter jug for $12 at wal-mart.
And, I'm not saying "fuck you poor people" I'm saying "If you're poor maybe you shouldn't waste your money on soda, fatso." Because guess what obesity levels are HIGHER in poverty stricken areas. So, think about that for a minute and then reconsider your "tax all food" plan.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I always get frustrated seeing poor people paying with food stamps and cash having soda, candy bars and other fairly pricey non-essential food in the buggy. Along with beer, cigarettes etc. So many people just have no sense of how to budget their money.
 
There's also the fact that cheaper foods are higher in sodium, saturated fat, high fructose corn syrup, and other additives/components that are extremely unhealthy for you.

Take $30 and see how far that gets you in the produce aisle, and see how many $1 microwave pizzas that gets you.

Eatin' right ain't cheap.

EDIT: I'm not down with this because it's a consumption tax. Which is an indirect way to avoid raising taxes on the wealthy - it raises taxes identically for people based on consumption habits, not on earnings. (Patterson's tax on 'yachts' or whatever notwithstanding, I'm referring specifically to this.) Cigarette taxes are taxes on the poor as well.
 
[quote name='misterine']And how will this help??? The govener should just call it taxing instead of having a name so it sounds better.

IF FAT people drink diet soda you think they will lose weight? NO i see fat people on the train eating a huge farking meal and drinking their soda.

LOOK fat people ruin everything, they walk slow on the stairs, even downstairs
they take up 1 1/2 of a seat on the subway
they walk slow and hog up the sidewalk[/quote]

The fat people who do that are WOMEN and thanks to feminism they are EMPOWERED and feel entitled to block everyone's way. :lol: and they get a diet soda to wash down their five quarter pounders with cheese and three large fries. That soda is just there to maintain their girlish figure.
 
They're pretty much taxing every luxury you can think, and a few necessities as well. I can't understand why politicians want to hurt industries like fast food and companies like Wal-Mart when they're helping the poor get things they need (well, moreso Wal-Mart than fast food, but you get the idea).

Taxing the hell out of everything isn't going to make the situation any better. It's going to make it much worse than it already is because people will buy less since they can't afford it, meaning less tax revenue. If they want to solve their budget crisis, it's calling cutting the budget, a phrase most politicians have never heard before.
 
America would be better off if there was a major attitude shift toward sugar.

Most Americans are addicted to refined sugar, and just like any other addictive drug when too much is ingested it ruins your health.

Too much refined sugar artificially tunes up your appetite, it turns you into a walking sack of fat, it saps your ability to think clearly. If refined sugar had a more complex refining process and went by a street name then politicians would be decrying/regulating it from coast to coast.

I really don't think more regulation is the answer (it hardly ever is) but we all need a serious attitude adjustment on refined sugar.
 
[quote name='strikeratt']For all of you just joining the thread let me sum it up for you.

"Get your lynching ropes boys! We got some fatties to put up in the trees! Oh wait, can we even get them up the tree? Just buy some bullets I have the gun"[/QUOTE]

Since (thankfully) it is now unacceptable to display open hatred towards people based on their skin color, ethnicity or sexual orientation, only in a thread like this one are the hate-mongers on open display. Obviously it's bigoted to judge someone by how they look...except if they're fat.
 
^ I have a lot of fat friends. My mom's a big fatso. I don't give a shit except for the fact it's unhealthy and wish they would take better care of themselves for that reason.
But to compare fat to skin color is ludicrous. You can lose weight. You can't lose your skin color(except Micheal Jackson.) And I don't believe a word of this "thyroid problem" BS people spout. You never see a Somalian kid with a thyroid problem.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Since (thankfully) it is now unacceptable to display open hatred towards people based on their skin color, ethnicity or sexual orientation, only in a thread like this one are the hate-mongers on open display. Obviously it's bigoted to judge someone by how they look...except if they're fat.[/quote]

He was kidding idiot.
 
Legalize prostitution.
Legalize weed.
Legalize gambling (for everyone not just Native Americans and the State).

Win-win situation.
 
[quote name='HowStern']^ I have a lot of fat friends. My mom's a big fatso. I don't give a shit except for the fact it's unhealthy and wish they would take better care of themselves for that reason.
But to compare fat to skin color is ludicrous. You can lose weight. You can't lose your skin color(except Micheal Jackson.) And I don't believe a word of this "thyroid problem" BS people spout. You never see a Somalian kid with a thyroid problem.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. For the vast majority of fat people, it's a result of being lazy and eating like crap. That's what drives me nuts--the fat part is just the symptom of a shitty personality, lack of self control, lack of self respect etc. Though of course the symptom itself is annoying when you're stuck beside it on the plane, subway etc....
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Right! Why be concerned about your fellow Americans and their well being? As long as your needs are met![/quote]
It's stupid they are considering extra tax on pop, but honestly I just can't get myself worked up over it.

There are issues that don't affect me that concern me (such as gay marriage, I'm not gay but I support gay marriage) but pop tax isn't one of them.

[quote name='PenguinoMF']Legalize prostitution.
Legalize weed.
Legalize gambling (for everyone not just Native Americans and the State).

Win-win situation.[/quote]
I agree with legalizing prostitution and weed, it's stupid we're wasting so much tax money fighting it instead of regulating the industries and taxing them.

As for gambling, I don't know. It seems like we (at least in Iowa) already have enough Indian casinos, if anything it should be cut back.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Exactly. For the vast majority of fat people, it's a result of being lazy and eating like crap. That's what drives me nuts--the fat part is just the symptom of a shitty personality, lack of self control, lack of self respect etc. Though of course the symptom itself is annoying when you're stuck beside it on the plane, subway etc....[/QUOTE]

So fat people all have shitty personalities, a lack of self control and no self respect. You're like a walking stereotype machine. Why stop at fatties?

What do you think about Black people? Hate them cuz they're always dripping watermelon juice on you when they try to steal your wallet?
 
Yep. If you let yourself become a fat slob, you have a lack of self control, discipline and self respect. Or you're just a glutton and don't care about your appearance at all. The tiny minority of fat people with medical conditions aside.

If you can't take care of your own health, you're generally not worth knowing IMO. At least not to a very active and health conscious person like myself.

Completely different from racial sterotypes etc. as this is related 100% to behavior--and a behavior that should be standard as everyone should take care of themselves.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yep. If you let yourself become a fat slob, you have a lack of self control, discipline and self respect. Or you're just a glutton and don't care about your appearance at all. The tiny minority of fat people with medical conditions aside.
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..but you say that like its wrong. Do you hate people who smoke? What about people who stave themeslves to be thin, or are they A-OK in YOUR book cuz you know...thin = right. :D

If you can't take care of your own health, you're generally not worth knowing IMO. At least not to a very active and health conscious person like myself.
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You mean "at least not to a douchebag like myself" I think....but you know, whatever bigotry keeps you warm at night I guess..

Completely different from racial sterotypes etc. as this is related 100% to behavior--and a behavior that should be standard as everyone should take care of themselves.
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You know what other behavior should be standard? Beating people who propose standards "for the rest of the world" in the street with shovels.

You're gonna be a sight to see when you're 45 and carrying 50lbs around your middle, chum, and all your fitnesss and health goes out the window because you have more important things in your life.

I wont argue that being overweight is a bad thing because of health reasons, and people should have incentives to be healthy.....but you are probably too ignorant to realize that not everyone is born to be active, not everyone is born to be athletic, or for that matter born with the metabolism to burn thousands of calories just doing nothing. And you can be lazy, useless, and have a crappy personality and no self respect...and be thin as cardboard.

Yes, obesity in most cases is a choice, but its not a conscious one for a lot of folks.....your kind of asstalk that Fat people are all "this and that" honestly went the way of the dodo around the time of segregated water fountains.
 
I'm not saying everyone has to be a picture of health and work out all the time. But no one should be obese. I'm not saying overweight, I'm saying obese.

I'm 30 and skinny as fuck. My dad is 60 and skinny as fuck. Even if I get less active I'm not going to put on a ton of wait both from having a good metabolism and even if I get less active I'm not going to start eating shitty food all the time.

Everyone can at least eat healthy, take the stairs etc. and at least not to be obese. It's almost always a choice/lack of discipline. No one's saying everyone has to be a fitness buff, or even be thin. But no one should let themselves get morbidly obese.

And as such I think the government should do more to encourage health--be it taxing unhealthy food while removing tax from healthy/staple foods, having more education programs, giving tax breaks for gym fees etc. etc. It would help society greatly to improve overall health, lower premiums, etc. etc.
 
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[quote name='HeadRusch']Yes, obesity in most cases is a choice, but its not a conscious one for a lot of folks.....your kind of asstalk that Fat people are all "this and that" honestly went the way of the dodo around the time of segregated water fountains.[/QUOTE]

Au contraire, just read the posts in this thread. It should have gone the way of the dodo by now, but it's still perfectly acceptable in our society to judge someone by the shape of their body. I'm a bit at a loss to explain how some people feel that is any different at all from judging someone based on their skin color or their name or how they part their hair, but there you have it.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'm not saying everyone has to be a picture of health and work out all the time. But no one should be obese. I'm not saying overweight, I'm saying obese.

I'm 30 and skinny as fuck. My dad is 60 and skinny as fuck. Even if I get less active I'm not going to put on a ton of wait both from having a good metabolism and even if I get less active I'm not going to start eating shitty food all the time.

Everyone can at least eat healthy, take the stairs etc. and at least not to be obese. It's almost always a choice/lack of discipline. No one's saying everyone has to be a fitness buff, or even be thin. But no one should let themselves get morbidly obese.

And as such I think the government should do more to encourage health--be it taxing unhealthy food while removing tax from healthy/staple foods, having more education programs, giving tax breaks for gym fees etc. etc. It would help society greatly to improve overall health, lower premiums, etc. etc.[/quote]

Everyone can eat healthy? Lets see. 4.50 for a pound of lean meat or 1.66 for 30% fat meat. Yes it doesn't look like much, but add it up and it costs an assload.

And you think it's a choice? Tell that to lawyers. Anyone in HR, anyone that does tech support or any IT job. They're on a chair 7-16 hours a day with no room to move and very little opportunity for exercise.

If you want to help the fat people, then lower the price on healthy foods, stop making the bad shit cost so cheap. Though I do agree on a tax on sugar as some places sell the shit cheaper then water.

What you're advocating is more of an ideal situation, but the reality of things is that so many jobs are non mobile and more and more Americans are living a seditary lifestyle and turning into lumps and THAT is how the government wants us as it helps them get more votes and control.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I'm 30 and skinny as fuck. My dad is 60 and skinny as fuck. Even if I get less active I'm not going to put on a ton of wait both from having a good metabolism and even if I get less active I'm not going to start eating shitty food all the time.
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Being super skinny isn't healthy either. Just because you aren't obese doesn't mean you are healthier than others.
 
[quote name='Paco']I remember in California when they wanted to stop making new fast food Restaurants in economically depressed areas where there was high obesity. The ony thing I can picture is Dennys and Ihop going "Oh yes pass this bill. Come into our restaraunt and get a healthy grand slam slugger with six pieces of sausage and eight pancakes."

But one thing I would do to help obesity besides awareness is lower the damn price on healthy foods. They cost so damn much that it's cheaper to eat shit. 33 cents for ramen or four dollars a pound for lean meat when the 30% fat meat is like 1.60 a pound. Yes obesity is usually the persons fault for making bad decisions, but the cost of healthy food isn't helping either.

I also support the hooker tax. Legalize it then tax the shit out of em. They don't deserve easy money for opening their legs. 40% tax on them. I wish I could open my legs and get 80 dollars for 15 minutes of nothing.[/QUOTE]

I hate to break it to you but meat is subsidized I've heard. If New York really wants to lower taxes and help fight obesity just eliminate the subsidy for Corn growers if there are any there. They're the one's that grow that crop that gets Genetically Modified into High Fructose Corn Syrup or is to begin with.
I would also argue with you that eating Vegan, as long as you do it from scratch, can be healthy, affordable and Organic to boot. You have to realize so much money is spent housing that livestock that you eat, feeding them et al.
The only place where you really get screwed in my opinion are Vegetables and Fruits, especially Organic. The prices on those products are just absurd or get there quick.
On a side note I'd add besides pointing kids at healthier foods encourage them to make em' from scratch too, see NOT from a can or boxed mix. Even if they're technically eating healthy that sodium and those preservatives aren't good.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']I hate to break it to you but meat is subsidized I've heard. If New York really wants to lower taxes and help fight obesity just eliminate the subsidy for Corn growers if there are any there. They're the one's that grow that crop that gets Genetically Modified into High Fructose Corn Syrup or is to begin with.
I would also argue with you that eating Vegan, as long as you do it from scratch, can be healthy, affordable and Organic to boot. You have to realize so much money is spent housing that livestock that you eat, feeding them et al.
The only place where you really get screwed in my opinion are Vegetables and Fruits, especially Organic. The prices on those products are just absurd or get there quick.
On a side note I'd add besides pointing kids at healthier foods encourage them to make em' from scratch too, see NOT from a can or boxed mix. Even if they're technically eating healthy that sodium and those preservatives aren't good.[/quote]

If 4-5 dollars per pound of lean meat is subsidized while the fatty meat that's 30% fat is 1.60 I'd hate to see what it cost if it wasn't subsidized.
 
[quote name='Paco']If 4-5 dollars per pound of lean meat is subsidized while the fatty meat that's 30% fat is 1.60 I'd hate to see what it cost if it wasn't subsidized.[/QUOTE]

I suspect it's cheaper because it's crap nowadays so the incentive is much more since the demand is less. Speaking of the subsidy I wish it was completely yanked. I heartily oppose my tax dollars being wasted on something so inefficient costwise.

edit: In that vein I think WIC should be gutted as is and replaced with Brocoli, Quinoa and other things which I'd argue are cheaper. Quinoa is suppose to have three times the calcium of a glass of milk. I don't necessarily know how much of that so I'll have to look it up. Cannellini or Flageolet beans seem to have a lot too. Also we know Brocoli has it, I suspect in the stem. So these beans and veggies along with rice would provide the complete protein these kids need as well as the calcium and other nutrients at a fraction of the price arguably. The only concern here is Vitamin B12 which could be addressed via enriched Soy Milk or just a powder mixed into one's drink. See a decent bit of money would be cut just doing that. WIC is a hand out to the Dairy Industry easily and it's ridiculous.
 
[quote name='Paco']
What you're advocating is more of an ideal situation, but the reality of things is that so many jobs are non mobile and more and more Americans are living a seditary lifestyle and turning into lumps and THAT is how the government wants us as it helps them get more votes and control.[/QUOTE]

I have a sedentary job, work a minumum of 50-60 hours a week usually and I still make it to the gym 2-4 times a week--usually 4. I just sacrifice a bit of sleep and go in the morning. And I'm not a morning person and fucking hate dragging myself out of bed to do it. Again, it just takes discipline. Of course some people just can't work out--i.e. if you're working 16 hour days etc. it's pretty tough to find time. But you can at least eat healthy--stay away from soda, chips, candy bars, fast food etc. It doesn't take much time to make a turkey sandwhich on whole wheat bread before leaving for work in the morning vs. picking up fast food--saves money too.

Eating healthy is expensive, but it just takes discipline in budgeting. And as someone else noted for the very poor meat is usually subsidized like milk. And a lot of crappy food like soda, candy bars, TV dinners etc. are fairly expensive. It's not that expensive to buy some skinless chicken breasts, or some whole wheat pasta, some fresh brocolli etc. One doesn't have to be eating Salmon and Filet Mignon all the time to be healthy. Just stay away from fatty foods, processed foods, foods full of sugar etc.

[quote name='Layziebones']Being super skinny isn't healthy either. Just because you aren't obese doesn't mean you are healthier than others.[/QUOTE]

Poor choice of words. Should have just said I have very low bodyfat rather than super skinny--well within the healthy range for my frame. I'm not overly skinny as I do weight training everytime I go to the gym and have for years. I eat quite healty (could do better--definitely could drink less beer as good beer is my biggest vice) and work out regularly so I'm in pretty good health. Not huge as I have a small frame, but I have on ok amount of muscle on it as I put on 20 pounds or so of muscle since I started lifting regularly 8 or so years ago.
 
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Good luck trying to get a kid to eat all of that healthy food. As long as they are used to eating sugar injected cereal or canned Ravioli it's going to be tough.
 
The main thing is to cut portion sizes... even with calorie dense sugar rich foods, if you eat small portions you will not gain very much weight. The law of conservation of energy prevails. This is somewhat of an oversimplification because of the different hormonal stimulation and satiety stimulation effects of different foods... but the main idea holds.

Humans require surprisingly low amounts of calories and we almost all tend to over-eat. Unless you are training for extreme sporting events, you simply do not need to eat very much...
 
[quote name='silent h3ro']canned Ravioli[/QUOTE]

Ooh, there's a cheap food. I thought about buying a can of Spaghetti-o's a good bit back out of a combination of nostalgia/irony. They're $0.70 per can, give or take. Stuff like that and ramen/packaged noodles/mac and cheese are crazy cheap.

BTW, they're not as good as you remember them as a kid. Blech.

dmaul, you're showing the huge difference b/w criminologists and sociologists with your individualism stampede in here. Does it take discipline? Sure. But so does obeying the law. Do you wholly ignore criminogenic elements in the social structure in favor of wholly individual explanations?

;) Just sayin'.

Everyone in America could repair their own automobiles as long as they apply the time and discipline necessary to diagnose and repair any ailments of their automobiles.

Again, just sayin'.

Look, obesity is bad. It's horrible. It drives my health care costs up. But so do lots of things. It's part of what we pay to live in the United States: our freedoms and finances are affected by the poor decisions of those around us as much (or more) than they are related to the good decisions people make. It sucks, but we'll cease being the very idea of the United States the day we insist upon diets for certain people.

On a wholly aside note, I'm totally weirded out by the prevalence of severe peanut allergies, and wonder where in the hell they came from. B/c I don't think it's always been a common phenomena - instead, a recent problem that's grown severely. If that's true, I'm very curious if the origin of its growth can be identified.
 
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