Nine Inch Nails drops MTV show over Bush backdrop

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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The rock band Nine Inch Nails said on Friday it canceled plans to appear on next week's MTV Movie Awards after the network questioned the band's plans to perform in front of an image of President Bush.

The band was slated to perform "The Hand That Feeds," the first single from its latest album.

A Los Angeles Times review called the song "a warning against blind acceptance of authority, including that of a president leading his nation to war."

"We were set to perform 'The Hand That Feeds' with an unmolested, straightforward image of George W. Bush as the backdrop. Apparently, the image of our president is as offensive to MTV as it is to me," Nine Inch Nails' leader Trent Reznor said in a statement posted on the band's Web site.

MTV said in a statement: "While we respect Nine Inch Nails' point of view, we were uncomfortable with their performance being built around a partisan political statement. When we discussed our discomfort with the band, their choice was to unfortunately pull out of the Movie Awards."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050528/en_nm/leisure_nineinchnails_mtv_dc

Makes me want to buy NIN albums now. And here I thought MTV was liberal. Apparently, MTV finally found something that they're squimish about airing. Funny that it's about this.
 
Yay, another artist whose political views mean absolutely nothing to me and cost them an album sale.

It's a shame really, I really liked "Pretty Hate Machine", "Downward Spiral" and "The Fragile" I have a boatload of CD singles/EP's and even bought the Lost Highway soundtrack for "Perfect Drug". Add this to my list of other 80's and 90's alternative rockers I no longer give a fuck about.

Of course I could probably go down the entire Wax Trax roster of albums I have and think those artists were all POS's based on their political views. At least with Jello Biafra and Lard/Dead Kennedy's his music was his politics and I liked it anyways.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Yay, another artist whose political views mean absolutely nothing to me and cost them an album sale.

It's a shame really, I really liked their last two albums and have a boatload of CD singles/EP's and even bought the Lost Highway soundtrack for "Perfect Drug". Add this to my list of other 80's and 90's alternative rockers I no longer give a fuck about.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure they're upset.
 
I know they don't give a shit. I'm sure millions of fans will buy their stuff considering they only put out an album once every 7 years and then live off packaging dozens of remixes instead of creating anything new.
 
Bravo to MTV for having the balls to stand up to them. MTV, though liberal, tries to remain balanced and does in fact give equal time to both sides when they run political shows, and they shouldn't be having one sided partisan statements.
 
[quote name='Rich']Bravo to MTV for having the balls to stand up to them. MTV, though liberal, tries to remain balanced and does in fact give equal time to both sides when they run political shows, and they shouldn't be having one sided partisan statements.[/QUOTE]

Bravo for censorship! Bravo for giving into fear of FCC reprisal! Bravo for monopolistic multimedia conglomerates!
 
I guess anything goes on MTV as long as you don't actually put a picture of G.W. behind you. Maybe they really were to stupid to put two and two together before this. :lol:
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Makes me want to buy NIN albums now. And here I thought MTV was liberal. Apparently, MTV finally found something that they're squimish about airing. Funny that it's about this.[/QUOTE]


You want mine? Its not really that great, very forgettable.
 
Nothing wrong with some hot lesbian action on stage though! And scantily clad whores! And encouraged drug use! GOD BLESS AMERICA!
 
[quote name='camoor']Bravo for censorship! Bravo for giving into fear of FCC reprisal! Bravo for monopolistic multimedia conglomerates![/QUOTE]

Bravo for Hollywood's attempt to have everyone vote Democrat! Bravo for the left's attempt to come off as the only "right" view! Bravo for Hollywood pushing their beliefs so obviously in popular culture!
 
[quote name='Rich']Bravo for Hollywood's attempt to have everyone vote Democrat! Bravo for the left's attempt to come off as the only "right" view! Bravo for Hollywood pushing their beliefs so obviously in popular culture![/QUOTE]

How do you figure? Corporate media interests are now shutting down criticisms of Our Leader out of fear of angering the "moral" right. Don't be concerned for the corporations though, Mike Powell makes sure that there is plenty of quid pro quo. Everyone with authority makes more money/power and the only thing that suffers is freedom of expression - welcome to the new Amerika.
 
[quote name='Rich']Bravo for the left's attempt to come off as the only "right" view![/QUOTE]

Ya, I hear so much tolerance for opposing political views on hannity, limbaugh, o'reilly, coulter, inghram, savage etc..
 
Why is it that people give a shit what Nine Inch Nails thinks? If you like the music, buy it. If you don't, pass on it. These guys aren't politicians, and it's sad that people buy or refuse to buy albums based on some celeb's half-baked opinion.
 
[quote name='Pylis']Why is it that people give a shit what Nine Inch Nails thinks? If you like the music, buy it. If you don't, pass on it. These guys aren't politicians, and it's sad that people buy or refuse to buy albums based on some celeb's half-baked opinion.[/QUOTE]

I agree, to a point. If the music is overtly political that's one thing (like ani difrancos stuff), but not something like nine inch nails.
 
You know the music's political slant can actually be a positive. Like I said, I don't think anyone here will think I agree with most of Jello Biafra's political views. However I found his slams on high school jocks, censorship, cultural elitism and aspects of his slamming the American middle class very amusing.

When I go down the roster of Dead Kennedy's songs I loved it's just about everything they did. It's not necessarily what you say but how it's said. The thing I can't stand is bands that aren't political in their music 99% of the time make BS statements that turn me off. At least with the DK's and Lard you always new what you were getting. Hell, I even enjoyed his spoken word albums, mostly because it was a 3 CD rant against Tipper Gore and the PMRC which I was completely against as a teenager.
 
pad, i do agree with some of jello's political views (mainly legal squatting in abandoned buildings and people in the city limits of san francisco normally wearing a business suit must wear a clown suit.)

DK was a VERY theatrical band, and jello was a great front man for such a band. he brings those songs to life.

i disagree with your statement about bands always having to be political, because people are not always political, they have other things in their lives as well, and most bands write about things that have some sort of meaning to the (relationships, family, childhood, so on and so on) so its no suprise that most bands dont sing all about one thing, but can still have views, and what makes those views less credible than a political band?

my opinion on the whole matter: way to go NIN, MTV if i could be dissapointed in you i would be, but your actions are to be expected, like a stripper prostituting herself on the side.
 
All we need do is accept the wisdom of the Film Actor's Guild (FAG) and put Team America in prison and all will be right with the world.......

Matt Damon.

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I guess the big question for me is would they have let it slide if it had been a more viable, MTV friendly artist? 62t has already mentioned the politically-charged Eminem video that they ran during last year’s election season. What if he wanted to perform in front of a picture of W? What about *takes a look at Billboard top 100* 50 Cent or Green Day? I think we can probably agree that the ratio of spin to slack is inversely proportional – the closer a group or artist edges towards heavy rotation, the less likely they are to be “called out” by the suits.
 
Some shitty ass band won't play on MTV because they're so upset that they can't have a Bush backdrop? This is making headline News? Great.
 
[quote name='1modernboy']I guess the big question for me is would they have let it slide if it had been a more viable, MTV friendly artist? 62t has already mentioned the politically-charged Eminem video that they ran during last year’s election season. What if he wanted to perform in front of a picture of W? What about *takes a look at Billboard top 100* 50 Cent or Green Day? I think we can probably agree that the ratio of spin to slack is inversely proportional – the closer a group or artist edges towards heavy rotation, the less likely they are to be “called out” by the suits.[/QUOTE]

The new album debuted at #1 and is still in the top 20. The Hand That Feeds is in heavy rotation and has been for a while. Maybe it's just that artists like Eminem and Green Day aren't taken as seriously.
 
While MTV can do what they want..they are being pussies.

I mean,out all of the shit they put on and they are uncomfortable with this?

This is just the right-wing attempt at it's own version of political correctness. Can't say how many died in Iraq, can't have anyone but kool-aid drinkers at Bush's rallies, can't show Bush in an unflattering light....
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']The new album debuted at #1 and is still in the top 20. The Hand That Feeds is in heavy rotation and has been for a while. Maybe it's just that artists like Eminem and Green Day aren't taken as seriously.[/QUOTE]

And how many bands like NIN that actually hit the top 10 are left?:D
 
[quote name='usickenme']While MTV can do what they want..they are being pussies.

I mean,out all of the shit they put on and they are uncomfortable with this?

This is just the right-wing attempt at it's own version of political correctness. Can't say how many died in Iraq, can't have anyone but kool-aid drinkers at Bush's rallies, can't show Bush in an unflattering light....[/QUOTE]

You're referring to MTV as right-wing?
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']The new album debuted at #1 and is still in the top 20. The Hand That Feeds is in heavy rotation and has been for a while. Maybe it's just that artists like Eminem and Green Day aren't taken as seriously.[/QUOTE]

That could very well be it.
 
To put a slightly more rational spin on this...

The 'meaning' of something can vary depending on time and place. Being willing to play Eminem's Mosh video has very different connotations from letting NIN bash Bush during the MTV Movie Awards. The biggest difference is that MTV was simply SHOWING the Eminem video - they didn't create the content - while anything that happens in a show created by MTV is their direct responsibility. Its the good old infomercial excuse - the views expressed by this program do not necessarily reflect those of this station. When the station is the one creating the program, that excuse doesn't really float.

Also, there's a time and a place for everything - the MTV movie awards really isn't an appropriate place for political statements of any kind, at least IMO.

Also, the new NIN CD rocks.
 
Y'know, I might have to agree with PAD here; many people buy music for the basic emotional response it provides them, *not* because of its politcal position. Of course, for some people, the opposite is true (I'm looking at those punk rock kids who think that The Unseen have something to say, of have learned any new songs, ever).

I consider what PAD's saying, but substituting christian religion for a political perspective. I can't think of any albums like that (although Twenty-Seven by The Adicts may have come close), but I admit I'd be fuckin' *pissed* if I bought a new record to find it full of tracks about how cool little baby jebus is.

I wouldn't feel that way if I bought a Stryper album, though (um...you know...not that I *would* own any...yeah). There are plenty of indicators that tell you what you are buying.

It's difficult to say either way, though. We live in a time where people are very policitally educated, interested, and active. That's wonderful, but some of the ramifications are the accidental realization that you have "supported the enemy" at times through consumer behavior. I respect the rights of musicians to say what they want, and I respect the rights of the consumer to buy what they want (though billboard sales indicate that we aren't a nation with a great deal of taste).

Hey, on the positive side, those of you who wouldn't buy work from a liberal artist now have proof positive that you don't need to buy NIN now; that'll lsave you a couple bucks, at least, right?

I respect the rights of MTV to show what it wants; however, if you think that a television channel, in concordance with its sister network, VH1 (And the other MTV's), that embrace consumer culture in the form of glamorizing conspicuous consumption, trust fund idiots, materialism as the only means of status in life, hours and hours of lifestyle nostalgia based upon the things we bought and the shows we watched (I love the 70s/80s/90s), and even more conspicuous consumption (Fabulous Life of...), is a *liberal* channel, you have no idea about what liberalism is about.

Link TV is a liberal channel; they offer shitty world music, documentaries about oppressive life in other cultures as well as our own, and are constantly begging for donations to keep the channel alive. How much more liberal can you be? :rofl:

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']We live in a time where people are very policitally educated, interested, and active.[/QUOTE]

i'd argue that the general populous is politcially retarded rather than educated.

far too many peple see every topic as either being republicrat or demolian and nothing else really gets any exposure so how are people to learn that there are more colors out there than red and blue?

cable tv is the educator.

p.s. don't be hatin on stryper.
 
[quote name='punqsux']i'd argue that the general populous is politcially retarded rather than educated.

far too many peple see every topic as either being republicrat or demolian and nothing else really gets any exposure so how are people to learn that there are more colors out there than red and blue?

cable tv is the educator.

p.s. don't be hatin on stryper.[/QUOTE]

I should specify that, although we have an active populace, and an informed populace, that we still aren't very smart. We have immediate access to devour as much political information as we see fit; however, many people believe that Iraq was involved in 9/11, and that trickle-down economics is a feasible theory, if that's what you're getting at.

myke.
...will never mess with the yellow and black attack.
 
[quote name='Rich']You're referring to MTV as right-wing?[/QUOTE]


No but they are clearly influenced by the loud right wing crowd. Nobody uses telephone, e-mail, letters to the editors, talk radio call-ins like the right wing. PC cuts a lot of ways.

Hell there are even idiots boycotting Star Wars Ep. 3 over a few choice lines of dialogue. (by the way..if it sounds stupid in a movie..how fucking stupid is it that our president says things like that?)

[quote name='mykevermin']

I consider what PAD's saying, but substituting christian religion for a political perspective. I can't think of any albums like that (although Twenty-Seven by The Adicts may have come close), but I admit I'd be fuckin' *pissed* if I bought a new record to find it full of tracks about how cool little baby jebus is.

.[/QUOTE]


that happened to me but I didn't care. Relient K is a Christian Pop-Punk band. I didn't find out until I got some record but I still like the music. Their faith doesn't bother me.
 
I think the amount of politics and religion plays a big role, as well as the kind. A libertarian wouldn't bother me, pagan music groups don't bother me (not the showy, fake ones, but genuine ones), but someone going on about patriotism and conservative things, or someone going on about mainstream religion would get annoying. For example, I love bone thugs n harmony, favorite rap group ever. They put a lot of religion into their stuff, but I hate flesh n bone (a sometimes member of them who has a solo career), on his cd about half the songs started with god, or god is going to condemn the sinners, people aren't following god etc.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']"Apparently, the image of our president is as offensive to MTV as it is to me," Nine Inch Nails' leader Trent Reznor said in a statement posted on the band's Web site.[/QUOTE]

I think Trent had the best possible response to the whole matter. And I love how what would have been one performance on the VMAs, has now become a bigger news story by NIN pulling out. Are the Hannitys, Limbaughs and O'Reillys talking this up, because that would be hilarious and give NIN more free publicity. MTV is way too corporate now for my tastes.

With Teeth is extremely good (especially after The Fragile which didn't do it for me).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Since PAD brought up the various projects of Jello Biafra, methinks he said it best anyway:

MTV get off the air!

myke.[/QUOTE]

but i wear a satin baseball jacket everywhere i go :sad:
 
I heard today that they were replaced with the Foo Fighters. Wait a tic..The same Foo Fighters that were on the Rock Against Bush Vol. 2 compilation? Oh well. I guess MTV counts on the long-term memory of its viewers not exceeding five minutes.
 
[quote name='modium']I heard today that they were replaced with the Foo Fighters. Wait a tic..The same Foo Fighters that were on the Rock Against Bush Vol. 2 compilation? Oh well. I guess MTV counts on the long-term memory of its viewers not exceeding five minutes.[/QUOTE]

Well, if they perform something akin to "Hollaback Girl" at the awards show, it doesn't matter what they have to say.

myke.
...as long as there are no lame stunts like that RATM asshole from some years back.
 
[quote name='usickenme']No but they are clearly influenced by the loud right wing crowd. Nobody uses telephone, e-mail, letters to the editors, talk radio call-ins like the right wing. PC cuts a lot of ways.

Hell there are even idiots boycotting Star Wars Ep. 3 over a few choice lines of dialogue. (by the way..if it sounds stupid in a movie..how fucking stupid is it that our president says things like that?)




that happened to me but I didn't care. Relient K is a Christian Pop-Punk band. I didn't find out until I got some record but I still like the music. Their faith doesn't bother me.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. If it's quality it's quality but it would still be hard for me to stomach a Bush praise song.
Speaking of Christian music I just have to say this. My beef is some of it is just a Christian friendly version of a group sometimes. I heard one Christian Rap artist who sounded just like down South shit beatwise and style but Nuwine I like because he's original at least and truly he's not bad, he's not "Jesus this, Jesus that.". It's too bad most Christian music, except for Gospel, is complete shit though. Yes that's my opinion based on the slight bit that I've heard. If you care to prove me wrong, introduce me to some good ORIGINAL Christian bands, mainly Rap or R&B.
Now I had to comment on Ani DeFranco. I have to say I respect what her bro does but he is NOT Hip-Hop. That shit is Folk or Spoken Word Poetry. Amy Goodman really needs to know what Hip-Hop is.
I have to agree with how charged the Right Wing people can be with calling in and complaining about things. Liberals and moderates here and elsewhere should take a hint, myself included, and follow that example. We're TOO laid back and we take more bullshit than we should.
In terms of Eminem I have to disagree slightly. Eminem has been controversial and some of that controversy consequently can indirectly water into politics. Remember his 2nd album where he critisizes parents for giving music or movies shit about the lyrics when the bus driver could be cussing the same stuff?
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Exactly. If it's quality it's quality but it would still be hard for me to stomach a Bush praise song.
Speaking of Christian music I just have to say this. My beef is some of it is just a Christian friendly version of a group sometimes. I heard one Christian Rap artist who sounded just like down South shit beatwise and style but Nuwine I like because he's original at least and truly he's not bad, he's not "Jesus this, Jesus that.". It's too bad most Christian music, except for Gospel, is complete shit though. Yes that's my opinion based on the slight bit that I've heard. If you care to prove me wrong, introduce me to some good ORIGINAL Christian bands, mainly Rap or R&B.
Now I had to comment on Ani DeFranco. I have to say I respect what her bro does but he is NOT Hip-Hop. That shit is Folk or Spoken Word Poetry. Amy Goodman really needs to know what Hip-Hop is.
I have to agree with how charged the Right Wing people can be with calling in and complaining about things. Liberals and moderates here and elsewhere should take a hint, myself included, and follow that example. We're TOO laid back and we take more bullshit than we should.
In terms of Eminem I have to disagree slightly. Eminem has been controversial and some of that controversy consequently can indirectly water into politics. Remember his 2nd album where he critisizes parents for giving music or movies shit about the lyrics when the bus driver could be cussing the same stuff?[/QUOTE]

There's some really excellent Christian sword metal and hardcore bands (Extol, the Crucified) out there; those bands are so unintelligible lyrically that it makes little difference.

Ani has a brother? Who performs? Huh.

I also recall Eminem dropping homophobic verbage all over his albums; I don't think he'll be let into the liberal club. He can hang out in the outcast party with Libertarians and the South Park guys.

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']There's some really excellent Christian sword metal and hardcore bands (Extol, the Crucified) out there; those bands are so unintelligible lyrically that it makes little difference.

Ani has a brother? Who performs? Huh.

I also recall Eminem dropping homophobic verbage all over his albums; I don't think he'll be let into the liberal club. He can hang out in the outcast party with Libertarians and the South Park guys.

myke.[/QUOTE]

Yeah well I lost a LOT of respect for Eminem when he put Elton John on that new Tupac album. For one Tupac wouldn't want a Gay or Bi man on his album and Elton John ISN'T Hip-Hop and never will be. Eminem basically sold out the White boy in Rap again, he did a complete Vanilla Ice on us with the exception of faking street.
Just remember real Hip-Hop doesn't drop Gay hate either. It's beyond that bullshit.
Both perform.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Yeah well I lost a LOT of respect for Eminem when he put Elton John on that new Tupac album. For one Tupac wouldn't want a Gay or Bi man on his album and Elton John ISN'T Hip-Hop and never will be. Eminem basically sold out the White boy in Rap again, he did a complete Vanilla Ice on us with the exception of faking street.
Just remember real Hip-Hop doesn't drop Gay hate either. It's beyond that bullshit.
Both perform.[/QUOTE]

The only hip-hop I have in my collection is Run-DMC and Dead Prez.

Maybe some Naughty by Nature, I dunno. I've not noticed any pro-gay messages in hip-hop, but I do notice the antagonistic ones.

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The only hip-hop I have in my collection is Run-DMC and Dead Prez.

Maybe some Naughty by Nature, I dunno. I've not noticed any pro-gay messages in hip-hop, but I do notice the antagonistic ones.

myke.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and it needs to STOP because that's not what Hip-Hop is about. For one Hip-Hop is naturally Liberal IMO granted there are some moral values included that tend to be Conservative I agree with and it isn't Homophobia.
You can't be Hip-Hop and Conservative, no two ways about it.
 
Ani's brother sings religious music? I never heard her mention siblings one way or the other, but that he does religious music strikes me as a little odd. Is he conservative too? That would be really freaky.
 
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