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Why is it that every Ninja Gaiden Sigma clip looks nearly identical to the original Xbox version that came out nearly five years ago? The Xbox version was freakin' sweet-looking, but shouldn't the sequel look better on a $600 PS3? I know graphics aren't everything, but they do matter. When I don't care about graphics I'll play my NES, SNES, Saturn, or PS1, but if I'm going to pay $600 for a new system I expect some pretty monumental leaps in terms of visuals.
 
That's because it's not built from the ground up for the PS3. It's re-using some previous assets from the Xbox version, so it's not maximizing the full potential of the system. Nevertheless, it looks pretty good.
 
[quote name='bleak']That's because it's not built from the ground up for the PS3. It's re-using some previous assets from the Xbox version, so it's not maximizing the full potential of the system. Nevertheless, it looks pretty good.[/quote]
Uhh... Totally False. Either you are joking or you are trying to spread false infomation or... you don't know what you are talking about.

Just look at this:

Ninja Gaiden Black (X-box).

Ninja Gaiden Sigma (Ps3).

Look at all the added details.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']looks comparable

all i see is a more hdr/details out side the windows and shadow effects..

i havent seen it in motion though[/quote] I guess you missed the wood grain on the walls and the detail in the mats. The weaponry is much improved, as well. But if you're determined to overlook details, then you're not going to see much different.
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']Uhh... Totally False. Either you are joking or you are trying to spread false infomation or... you don't know what you are talking about.

Just look at this:

Ninja Gaiden Black (X-box).

Ninja Gaiden Sigma (Ps3).

Look at all the added details.[/QUOTE]


Looks the same besides the higher res screenshot....The bottom line is its not worth buying this game a 3rd time for an extra character I dont care about...its probably the same as ryu with the scythe weapon with an added grappling hook...big deal
 
[quote name='guyver2077']not bad..

not worth the full price re-purchase though[/quote]
I comletely agree with that. I hope we're not moving toward a trend of zOMG remakez0rz of last gen games for the PS3 and 360.
 
  • No one ever said there wasn't a difference. My original point was they re-used some assets. That doesn't mean they didn't add anything new!
  • Further, believe it or not but just because the Xbox version textures looked worse doesn't mean the textures the developers originally produced on their development computers looked exactly like the ones that made it in the game! Developers create textures and then decrease the quality/compress to optimize performance.
  • Neverthless, my point remains this game was not totally redone from scratch.
  • Also, people seem really quick to mock people on these forums. Calm the hell down.
 
It never claimed to be redone from scratch.

Its just a new version with more additions and added Multiplayer modes. And it is a bonus that the graphics look alot more clean and the animations were entirely revisioned/redone.

I don't get what you are claiming?

The fans of Ninja Gaiden enjoy this title due to the new improvements they have added (including the weapons, skins, new character, ect.)

You wont understand cause you hate the PS3 in the first place.
 
Where will Sigma differ most from the original Ninja Gaiden on Xbox?

Hayashi: All the materials are created from scratch in Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and we have further refined the action engine because that is vital to the overall gameplay. So, the feel you'll get when you play Sigma will be a totally new and improved experience.

What we did with Sigma is quite similar to adopting a totally new design and specification for a car -- it's going to be endless if I start counting the differences from the original. It's not that we simply added something to it but more like we have improved the car's engine.
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:)
 
The game looks better on PS3, but doesn't anyone remember seeing Gran Turismo 3 on PS2 for the first time after playing Gran Turismo 1 & 2 on Playstaion 1? You didn't have to watch these side-by-side to realize there was a difference. How about the Ship scene from the Metal Gear Solid 2 demo that came with Zone of the Enders back in 2001? Silent Hill 2 is another good example. These early PS2 games really brought the originals to life. Ninja Gaiden Sigma just doesn't seem to make the same leap.
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']It does. Don't know what to tell you other then that.[/quote]

So they didnt reuse anything?

Thats what im talking about. They definetally reused everything but refined them.

The only thing I know they redid entirely was the animations.
 
[quote name='steve_k']Why is it that every Ninja Gaiden Sigma clip looks nearly identical to the original Xbox version that came out nearly five years ago? The Xbox version was freakin' sweet-looking, but shouldn't the sequel look better on a $600 PS3? I know graphics aren't everything, but they do matter. When I don't care about graphics I'll play my NES, SNES, Saturn, or PS1, but if I'm going to pay $600 for a new system I expect some pretty monumental leaps in terms of visuals.[/QUOTE]
Somehow, the tubes that make up the internet got crossed and your post ended up here. That's okay, I'll redirect you:

www.gamefaqs.com
 
[quote name='steve_k']The game looks better on PS3, but doesn't anyone remember seeing Gran Turismo 3 on PS2 for the first time after playing Gran Turismo 1 & 2 on Playstaion 1? You didn't have to watch these side-by-side to realize there was a difference. How about the Ship scene from the Metal Gear Solid 2 demo that came with Zone of the Enders back in 2001? Silent Hill 2 is another good example. These early PS2 games really brought the originals to life. Ninja Gaiden Sigma just doesn't seem to make the same leap.[/QUOTE]


you haven't played the demo in HD have you? neither has anyone who says it doesn't look much better.

it's night and day...
 
[quote name='Apossum']you haven't played the demo in HD have you? neither has anyone who says it doesn't look much better.

it's night and day...[/QUOTE]

I don't even think he owns a PS3, let alone playing the demo.
 
[quote name='steve_k']The game looks better on PS3, but doesn't anyone remember seeing Gran Turismo 3 on PS2 for the first time after playing Gran Turismo 1 & 2 on Playstaion 1? You didn't have to watch these side-by-side to realize there was a difference. How about the Ship scene from the Metal Gear Solid 2 demo that came with Zone of the Enders back in 2001? Silent Hill 2 is another good example. These early PS2 games really brought the originals to life. Ninja Gaiden Sigma just doesn't seem to make the same leap.[/QUOTE]

Well, each generation the gap just keeps getting smaller. Just compare a lot of this gen's games to last gen's games. They are definitely a step up (as is Sigma) but not nearly the leap that was made from PS1/N64/Saturn to PS2/GCN/Xbox.

Those games you mentioned came about a year into the PS2s life too, which helps.
 
the graphic for sigma are definitely better than the one on the original xbox and they aren't bad at all by any means but I was kind of expecting more. They aren't nearly as nice as I had hoped they would be.
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']Where will Sigma differ most from the original Ninja Gaiden on Xbox?

Hayashi: All the materials are created from scratch in Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and we have further refined the action engine because that is vital to the overall gameplay. So, the feel you'll get when you play Sigma will be a totally new and improved experience.

What we did with Sigma is quite similar to adopting a totally new design and specification for a car -- it's going to be endless if I start counting the differences from the original. It's not that we simply added something to it but more like we have improved the car's engine.:)[/quote]

If thats true, they did a pathetic job.
 
[quote name='help1']If thats true, they did a pathetic job.[/QUOTE]


you should try playing the game.
 
I don't see a massive difference here. Sure, it's slightly shinier, but not enough that I'd say "WOW, this is jaw dropping." Then again, that'd be my sentiment for every "graphical powerhouse" game of the PS3/360.
 
[quote name='help1']If thats true, they did a pathetic job.[/quote]
At first I thought man this original poster is probably one of the dumber members than I read that.

ANYONE who should be complaining about being RIPPED THE fuck OFF is you Halo players. Halo 3 is nothing more than Halo 2 with some fucking paint on it. I'm not saying that Ninja Gaiden Sigma isn't over priced, but know how games are made if he is telling the truth and those are all new assets than damn. I will say that it looks gorgeous.

If there is one thing I can't fucking stand it is you turds with your halo sig's and your halo avatars and your May 16! sig's. Halo is a fucking joke compared to classic's in the FPS realm. I am starting a new coilition SAVE CAG FROM THE RETARDS OF GAMEFAQS.
 
[quote name='alongx']I don't see a massive difference here. Sure, it's slightly shinier, but not enough that I'd say "WOW, this is jaw dropping." Then again, that'd be my sentiment for every "graphical powerhouse" game of the PS3/360.[/QUOTE]


yeah, the differences are more subtle this gen. it's more about the big picture--all the things being rendered at once, all the details, lighting, animation, etc. it's also the style. we're now seeing games that look technically great but have some very ugly features (like Gears' big hulking shiny plastic armor and the jelly-looking rain in that one stage)
 
[quote name='Apossum']yeah, the differences are more subtle this gen. it's more about the big picture--all the things being rendered at once, all the details, lighting, animation, etc. it's also the style. we're now seeing games that look technically great but have some very ugly features (like Gears' big hulking shiny plastic armor and the jelly-looking rain in that one stage)[/quote]

Yeh. I remember reading an interview with dev... Uhh I'll look it up.

With Ninja Gaiden Sigma you're introducing a lot of new ideas, or bringing some older ideas to their full potential -- like the water battles. How many of these things were ideas you wanted to use in Ninja Gaiden Black, but couldn't for whatever reason?

YH: I'd say it's a 50/50 split, between things that are totally new ideas for Sigma and things that we wanted to do previously but weren't able to. This is something we haven't talked about before, but there's this period within the story when you're in the city and the army has been called into action, and there's a curfew set in the city. We always thought it would be cool if you had helicopters flying over the city at all times, dropping bombs and stuff on you. But we couldn't do that on Xbox because of hardware limitations, but that's one of the things we're able to do this time around.
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Just adding helicopters in the background couldn't be done on the Xbox.


IGN: How ground up is this project? Are you adjusting the camera, and adjusting the controls completely?

Szymanski: As you can see there are a huge amount of visual improvements to the game. This is Team Ninja we're talking about so we're never going to leave everything as is. As far as what I can tell you from the trailer -- you're talking about graphical improvements, weapons and enemies -- but another thing that isn't quiet so visible like Rachel being a playable character are the improvements we're making to the combat system in general. We're making it speedier, tweaking some of the animations, and especially focusing on the AI. Ninja Gaiden is a game that's well known for the enemy AI and we'd like to tweak that further using the power of the PlayStation 3.
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[quote name='Apossum']you haven't played the demo in HD have you? neither has anyone who says it doesn't look much better.

it's night and day...[/QUOTE]

QFT

Something else to add - after having put a substantial amount of time into the Sigma demo, and having beaten NG:Black just last year, there's something else that screenshots/movies won't show you. The game is lightning fast. Everything is incredible smooth and fluid feeling, to the point where the game just FEELS substantially better.

I'm definitely looking forward to going through the game again in July. :)
 
[quote name='Maynard']At first I thought man this original poster is probably one of the dumber members than I read that.

ANYONE who should be complaining about being RIPPED THE fuck OFF is you Halo players. Halo 3 is nothing more than Halo 2 with some fucking paint on it. I'm not saying that Ninja Gaiden Sigma isn't over priced, but know how games are made if he is telling the truth and those are all new assets than damn. I will say that it looks gorgeous.

If there is one thing I can't fucking stand it is you turds with your halo sig's and your halo avatars and your May 16! sig's. Halo is a fucking joke compared to classic's in the FPS realm. I am starting a new coilition SAVE CAG FROM THE RETARDS OF GAMEFAQS.[/quote]

Haha, qft.

I didn't realise what his sig and avatar were until you brought it up.

A haloid complaining that another game isnt a big improvement.
"WHAt!?1 CORTANA iSNT in iT!? ITS A PATHETIC JOB THAN!"
 
[quote name='argyle']QFT

Something else to add - after having put a substantial amount of time into the Sigma demo, and having beaten NG:Black just last year, there's something else that screenshots/movies won't show you. The game is lightning fast. Everything is incredible smooth and fluid feeling, to the point where the game just FEELS substantially better.

I'm definitely looking forward to going through the game again in July. :)[/QUOTE]


yeah, 60fps puts it above all the unstable 30fps crap that most devs have been putting out this gen.


and on a completely belligerent and unrelated note, its got ninjas. fuck soldiers, special ops, army, war, terrorists, etc. etc. in any video game. I play games to enjoy alternate realities and imagined worlds, not to pretend like i'm in the fucking iraq war. :lol:
 
[quote name='Maynard']At first I thought man this original poster is probably one of the dumber members than I read that.

ANYONE who should be complaining about being RIPPED THE fuck OFF is you Halo players. Halo 3 is nothing more than Halo 2 with some fucking paint on it. I'm not saying that Ninja Gaiden Sigma isn't over priced, but know how games are made if he is telling the truth and those are all new assets than damn. I will say that it looks gorgeous.

If there is one thing I can't fucking stand it is you turds with your halo sig's and your halo avatars and your May 16! sig's. Halo is a fucking joke compared to classic's in the FPS realm. I am starting a new coilition SAVE CAG FROM THE RETARDS OF GAMEFAQS.[/QUOTE]


LMAO this is so true. Halo 3 uses Halo 2 engine, don't expect next gen graphics and don't even say its because its beta. After beta they don't go back to make the graphics better, they optimize the code and other important stuff. What you see in beta is what you'll be getting!

I always thought console FPS was overrated after playing Quake 2 on PC long ago. I never liked Goldeneye.
 
[quote name='Maynard']At first I thought man this original poster is probably one of the dumber members than I read that.

ANYONE who should be complaining about being RIPPED THE fuck OFF is you Halo players. Halo 3 is nothing more than Halo 2 with some fucking paint on it. I'm not saying that Ninja Gaiden Sigma isn't over priced, but know how games are made if he is telling the truth and those are all new assets than damn. I will say that it looks gorgeous.

If there is one thing I can't fucking stand it is you turds with your halo sig's and your halo avatars and your May 16! sig's. Halo is a fucking joke compared to classic's in the FPS realm. I am starting a new coilition SAVE CAG FROM THE RETARDS OF GAMEFAQS.[/quote]

First, I liked you just becuase your name is Maynard, now I have another reason. The fact that Halo 3 looks just as good as a Launch PS3 game (resistance) is quite pathetic. (Search for comparison thread if you don't believe me) And don't give me the beta crap because Lair is in Alpha and it blows pretty much any game away.
 
Well I've played both and the ps3, version is a lot smoother, and faster than the xbox version. It's basically Ninja Gaiden Black, redone, and in Hi Def. Hayabusa does get some extras, like dual swords.
 
[quote name='argyle']QFT

Something else to add - after having put a substantial amount of time into the Sigma demo, and having beaten NG:Black just last year, there's something else that screenshots/movies won't show you. The game is lightning fast. Everything is incredible smooth and fluid feeling, to the point where the game just FEELS substantially better.

I'm definitely looking forward to going through the game again in July. :)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the game really does feel quite a bit faster and it does feel rock solid. I'll never understand why the majority of devs don't even attempt to make their games feel solid, run smoothly, etc... but then, I suppose not all dev teams are headed by assholes who are really funny, but happen to offend people with no sense of humor. *shrug*

Gamestop's release date still says June 26th as does IGN's and Gamespot's pages, so I'm hoping that the release date really is still then rather than a week later like that one thing I read claimed. I need to play this game ASAP. The demo still isn't wearing thin, but I wanna see... y'know, the interesting levels.

I know people are bitching about this being a rehash and how we're funding terrorism by paying full price for it or the Collector's Edition... but honestly, I don't fucking care anymore. Find me a game that plays as well as this. You're probably going to point me towards Pirates of the Caribbean or whatever the shitty flavor of the week is, so you should be ashamed.

Shame on you.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Yeah, the game really does feel quite a bit faster and it does feel rock solid. I'll never understand why the majority of devs don't even attempt to make their games feel solid, run smoothly, etc... but then, I suppose not all dev teams are headed by assholes who are really funny, but happen to offend people with no sense of humor. *shrug*

Gamestop's release date still says June 26th as does IGN's and Gamespot's pages, so I'm hoping that the release date really is still then rather than a week later like that one thing I read claimed. I need to play this game ASAP. The demo still isn't wearing thin, but I wanna see... y'know, the interesting levels.

I know people are bitching about this being a rehash and how we're funding terrorism by paying full price for it or the Collector's Edition... but honestly, I don't fucking care anymore. Find me a game that plays as well as this. You're probably going to point me towards Pirates of the Caribbean or whatever the shitty flavor of the week is, so you should be ashamed.

Shame on you.[/quote]

The director of NGS said at the last Temco event that it would come out July 3rd, don't know how much pull he has on it though.
 
[quote name='gokou36']LMAO this is so true. Halo 3 uses Halo 2 engine, don't expect next gen graphics and don't even say its because its beta. After beta they don't go back to make the graphics better, they optimize the code and other important stuff. What you see in beta is what you'll be getting!

I always thought console FPS was overrated after playing Quake 2 on PC long ago. I never liked Goldeneye.[/quote]
Bungie doesnt go around saying they built the game from ground up either.

Lets not forget about gameplay, something PS3 owners loves to overlook. BTW, Ninja Gaiden is way overrated (And before you guys shout, so is UT, GOW, GTA and Halo).
 
[quote name='help1']Bungie doesnt go around saying they built the game from ground up either.

Lets not forget about gameplay, something PS3 owners loves to overlook. BTW, Ninja Gaiden is way overrated (And before you guys shout, so is UT, GOW, GTA and Halo).[/quote]

Resistance is quite a good FPS.

Nice to know you can obsess (avatar, sig) over an overrated game while we just play it and enjoy it.
 
[quote name='help1']Bungie doesnt go around saying they built the game from ground up either.

Lets not forget about gameplay, something PS3 owners loves to overlook. BTW, Ninja Gaiden is way overrated (And before you guys shout, so is UT, GOW, GTA and Halo).[/QUOTE]


You just named some of the most popular franchises in the industry...if those are overrated then what game deserves praise? (and after my time with the Halo 3 beta, I don't think the franchise is overrated at all :D Unless you mean by fanboys, but if fanboys mattered when taking anything into account, every game would be overrated.)

saying something is overrated is overrated.
 
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