Nintendo's Follow Up to the Wii
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SuperPhillip
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[quote name='dothog']They've been hemorrhaging cash ever since the Virtual Boy and Phillips fiascoes. Get your facts straight.[/QUOTE]
This is wrong.
This is wrong.
[quote name='dothog']More like SuperPhullofbaloney.
There are lots of assertions here but no fact. None of this matters, anyhow, as Nintendo will eventually be bought out by MS or Apple before it's too late.[/QUOTE]
Provide some facts to back up your assertion that they are hemorrhaging money since the Virtual Boy then.
Because the monthly sale charts have often indicated Nintendo is raking in money hand over fist with the Wii and the DS in terms of units sold. Just look at this chart: http://www.vgchartz.com/hardware_totals.php
There have been no indication that Nintendo has been blowing all of that profit on hookers and booze, so if they've been losing money since the mid 90s with Virtual Boy, where is it all going?
The FACT is Nintendo isn't hemorrhaging money and like another poster said, have very rarely posted a loss, and their most recent one was due to a one time hit because of the yen exchange rate.
At this point though, we're all just feeding the troll by responding to you.
There are lots of assertions here but no fact. None of this matters, anyhow, as Nintendo will eventually be bought out by MS or Apple before it's too late.[/QUOTE]
Provide some facts to back up your assertion that they are hemorrhaging money since the Virtual Boy then.
Because the monthly sale charts have often indicated Nintendo is raking in money hand over fist with the Wii and the DS in terms of units sold. Just look at this chart: http://www.vgchartz.com/hardware_totals.php
There have been no indication that Nintendo has been blowing all of that profit on hookers and booze, so if they've been losing money since the mid 90s with Virtual Boy, where is it all going?
The FACT is Nintendo isn't hemorrhaging money and like another poster said, have very rarely posted a loss, and their most recent one was due to a one time hit because of the yen exchange rate.
At this point though, we're all just feeding the troll by responding to you.
[quote name='Altanis']Why?
They don't need a hard drive. It's another expense, and Nintendo has shown that they are based around value- the console is the cheapest out there and yet still packs an amazing punch. Plus, a hard drive is just going to fail.
The WiFi on both the Wiis I've had works just fine. Maybe they can upgrade it but there's really no reason.
HD graphics don't matter now. Most gamers care more about having a good game than pretty graphics.[/QUOTE]
The way they handed "storage space" on the Wii, supports having some kinda harddrive or swappable storage media. I personally think Nintendo would go with a cost-effective solid-state harddrive if they went the harddrive route. That or they are going to support usb drives and maybe that will be the standard way to save your stuff around (That would be nice actually -forward thinking). But there most likely will always be a core storage included on-board the console, how much is the question.
They don't need a hard drive. It's another expense, and Nintendo has shown that they are based around value- the console is the cheapest out there and yet still packs an amazing punch. Plus, a hard drive is just going to fail.
The WiFi on both the Wiis I've had works just fine. Maybe they can upgrade it but there's really no reason.
HD graphics don't matter now. Most gamers care more about having a good game than pretty graphics.[/QUOTE]
The way they handed "storage space" on the Wii, supports having some kinda harddrive or swappable storage media. I personally think Nintendo would go with a cost-effective solid-state harddrive if they went the harddrive route. That or they are going to support usb drives and maybe that will be the standard way to save your stuff around (That would be nice actually -forward thinking). But there most likely will always be a core storage included on-board the console, how much is the question.
Personally I am happy with the Wii as it is. I like the idea of the Wiimote and Nunchuk being separate unlike regular controllers, which require you to keep your hands close together. What other game console can you play with your arms crossed over the back of your couch or chair. ^_^
On another note, related to the what Nintendo should do next... That's hard to say to be honest. I would be happy with a very similar console with similar control schemes but just more refined and such. High definition output would be nice, but it's not graphics that make a game, its all about game play to me. While a lot of people were passing the Wii entirely because it wasn't HD, I was enjoying some awesome games. Though I have to admit a lot of the 1st party games are the only good ones, yet some 3rd party games are good too. I think for the next console they should try for better 3rd party developer support so we can see some more games. Possibly better use of the controllers as well, only few games make good use of the controllers sadly enough.
On another note, related to the what Nintendo should do next... That's hard to say to be honest. I would be happy with a very similar console with similar control schemes but just more refined and such. High definition output would be nice, but it's not graphics that make a game, its all about game play to me. While a lot of people were passing the Wii entirely because it wasn't HD, I was enjoying some awesome games. Though I have to admit a lot of the 1st party games are the only good ones, yet some 3rd party games are good too. I think for the next console they should try for better 3rd party developer support so we can see some more games. Possibly better use of the controllers as well, only few games make good use of the controllers sadly enough.
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[quote name='ejamer']Oh Noes! Someone tell the stockholders!
(Subtext: Not only are you wrong, but you sound like a fool making this statement.)[/QUOTE]
Actually I think (hope) he was being sarcastic. :lol:
(Subtext: Not only are you wrong, but you sound like a fool making this statement.)[/QUOTE]
Actually I think (hope) he was being sarcastic. :lol:
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Hasnt been updated for a while, but its a classic:
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Y/E 1999 $1,102,563,557 $1,301,350,000 $2,403,913,557
Y/E 2000 $722,738,949 $1,368,207,547 $2,090,946,497
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Y/E 2003 $935,569,253 $834,333,333 -$1,191,000,000 $578,902,586
Y/E 2004 $627,195,212 $993,161,303 -$1,337,000,000 $283,356,515
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Y/E 10Q2 -$653,333,333 $710,655,556 $375,000,000 $432,011,111
Y/E 10Q3 $210,629,750 $2,087,904,452 N/A N/A
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SuperPhillip
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[quote name='TimPV3']I thought it was VERY obvious he was being sarcastic, maybe you guys don't have sarcasm on the Wii board?[/QUOTE]
Sorry. Don't know him. Don't care to know him, don't know his sarcasm.
I do know of people who go to the Wii board just to one star topics. That's the type of people we have on the Wii board.
Sorry. Don't know him. Don't care to know him, don't know his sarcasm.
I do know of people who go to the Wii board just to one star topics. That's the type of people we have on the Wii board.
I'd really like to see a normal controller being the standard and motion controls being an option next time around. Would incite a lot of third parties to work on it without the constraint of the controller, or worse forcing the game into the motion controls when it really doesn't fit like we've seen so much of.
I also don't see the reasoning behind saying no to a hard drive. Between game saves and the virtual console I'm out of space on my Wii and it's quite frankly irritating to have to uninstall something just to save a game.
I also don't see the reasoning behind saying no to a hard drive. Between game saves and the virtual console I'm out of space on my Wii and it's quite frankly irritating to have to uninstall something just to save a game.
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I would like to have this in a N6 (my nickname for the next Nintendo console since its their 6th one clever, no?).
Memory card slots to support any memory format other than SD
While we are at it lets put a gameboy player built into the console thats right this baby should be able to play old gameboy games.
A hard drive would be good but it is also a good idea to have it support a usb external hard drive
Make use of headsets and microphones remember Nintendo you gave only one reason to buy wii speak just for animal crossing.
I would like to see a dvd player and I know its best to be a video game console but come on it should have one by now.
Thats what I would like to add for now.
Memory card slots to support any memory format other than SD
While we are at it lets put a gameboy player built into the console thats right this baby should be able to play old gameboy games.
A hard drive would be good but it is also a good idea to have it support a usb external hard drive
Make use of headsets and microphones remember Nintendo you gave only one reason to buy wii speak just for animal crossing.
I would like to see a dvd player and I know its best to be a video game console but come on it should have one by now.
Thats what I would like to add for now.
Here's what I'd like to see/think will happen.
- Announced at E3
- A little more powerful than 360/PS3
- Backwards compatible with all wii games.
- Games still work with wii mote and nunchuck
- but they also produce a controller thats a bit slicker than the current ones (obviously WM+ will be built in)
- Classic Controller Pro, or variant, included
- Ports of 360/PS3 classics announced...think Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, which will all use the CC Pro.
- Built in HDD
- 720p but no 1080p
- no DVD playback
- 299.99 with free game (Wii Sports 2).
- Upscaling for Wii games (like Dolphin emulator)
- The double Zelda release...again.
- Announced at E3
- A little more powerful than 360/PS3
- Backwards compatible with all wii games.
- Games still work with wii mote and nunchuck
- but they also produce a controller thats a bit slicker than the current ones (obviously WM+ will be built in)
- Classic Controller Pro, or variant, included
- Ports of 360/PS3 classics announced...think Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, which will all use the CC Pro.
- Built in HDD
- 720p but no 1080p
- no DVD playback
- 299.99 with free game (Wii Sports 2).
- Upscaling for Wii games (like Dolphin emulator)
- The double Zelda release...again.
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[quote name='KingBroly']I honestly think the Vitality Sensor is going to be the controller for Nintendo's next system.[/QUOTE]
I do think that as well but it will almost certainly be built into the controller. I imagine something along the lines of sensor pads built into the controller as opposed to the finger clamp.
I do think that as well but it will almost certainly be built into the controller. I imagine something along the lines of sensor pads built into the controller as opposed to the finger clamp.
[quote name='cochesecochese']I do think that as well but it will almost certainly be built into the controller. I imagine something along the lines of sensor pads built into the controller as opposed to the finger clamp.[/QUOTE]
That makes sense. Sort of like the heart rate monitors on gym equipment like ellipticals.
That actually makes a lot of sense, for two reasons:
1) The current fitness/dance craze will probably continue (because it doesn't require plastic instruments), and if those games are going to require you to hold the Wii remote, then you can incorporate the HR monitor in the remote so you don't have to strap on something else.
2) It makes it easy to get inventive and incorporate it into non-fitness games like horror games without requiring some peripheral that clamps on your finger.
That makes sense. Sort of like the heart rate monitors on gym equipment like ellipticals.
That actually makes a lot of sense, for two reasons:
1) The current fitness/dance craze will probably continue (because it doesn't require plastic instruments), and if those games are going to require you to hold the Wii remote, then you can incorporate the HR monitor in the remote so you don't have to strap on something else.
2) It makes it easy to get inventive and incorporate it into non-fitness games like horror games without requiring some peripheral that clamps on your finger.
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http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...-new-nintendo-console-announcement-at-e3.aspx
Analysts predict next Nintendo console reveal at E3.
I'd be surprised but delighted if this was the case. I don't care about backwards compatibility, but I'm sure it would be. I just want a proper system with a proper controller and a decent online interface. It's so not too much to ask.
Analysts predict next Nintendo console reveal at E3.
I'd be surprised but delighted if this was the case. I don't care about backwards compatibility, but I'm sure it would be. I just want a proper system with a proper controller and a decent online interface. It's so not too much to ask.
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Nintendo mantra has always been fun over tech in their consoles. I for one am a big fan of the wii. It's original design and gameplay were refreshing. Nintendo relys on their classics to sell their systems. Typically there will be 1-10 new games that really capture the systems abillites (besides the remade franchise games) . That's why I buy Nintendo and another system if I can afford it.
What I'm not a fan of is the bandwagon from other consoles, especially ps3. So see that the wii is doing well and decide to copy it... fine then do it but do it better or at least as well. Don't put out a device with very limited support and games that are graphically superior but are poorly made or just cheap novelty products (I'm looking at you xbox)
If you asked me about 2 years ago I would have said something like the kinect, but now no clue. they'll build off what they've learned and whatever it is will either be amazing or will be passable till the next console gen.
What I'm not a fan of is the bandwagon from other consoles, especially ps3. So see that the wii is doing well and decide to copy it... fine then do it but do it better or at least as well. Don't put out a device with very limited support and games that are graphically superior but are poorly made or just cheap novelty products (I'm looking at you xbox)
If you asked me about 2 years ago I would have said something like the kinect, but now no clue. they'll build off what they've learned and whatever it is will either be amazing or will be passable till the next console gen.
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[quote name='utopianmachine']
I'd be surprised but delighted if this was the case. I don't care about backwards compatibility, but I'm sure it would be. I just want a proper system with a proper controller and a decent online interface. It's so not too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I mean having a playstation 3 kinda spoiled me with online services. It's fast, quick and I don't have to worry about friend codes per game. Also I would like to see proper third party games, not 10,000 shovelware titles to one good game. Another interesting idea would to have an achievement like system in their games. I don't play games for achievements, but if a game has achievements, I like to try and get as many as I can within a normal playthrough because they usually offer fun new challenges I might have not thought of trying before.
I'd be surprised but delighted if this was the case. I don't care about backwards compatibility, but I'm sure it would be. I just want a proper system with a proper controller and a decent online interface. It's so not too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I mean having a playstation 3 kinda spoiled me with online services. It's fast, quick and I don't have to worry about friend codes per game. Also I would like to see proper third party games, not 10,000 shovelware titles to one good game. Another interesting idea would to have an achievement like system in their games. I don't play games for achievements, but if a game has achievements, I like to try and get as many as I can within a normal playthrough because they usually offer fun new challenges I might have not thought of trying before.
[quote name='utopianmachine']http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...-new-nintendo-console-announcement-at-e3.aspx
Analysts predict next Nintendo console reveal at E3.
I'd be surprised but delighted if this was the case. I don't care about backwards compatibility, but I'm sure it would be. I just want a proper system with a proper controller and a decent online interface. It's so not too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
The Wii is still selling quite well, better then the PS3 I believe I just read, but not as good as the 360. That isn't an indication that they are currently hurting. Of course Microsoft's huge success with Kinect has to have them shaking in their boots a bit. But so far Microsoft hasn't exactly come through with games for it. That's just a matter of time, though, especially given the sales success.
I certainly hope they announce it at E3. I love Nintendo, but I really want an HD, good online, demos for all downloads from day 1, HDD or other large storage sporting, followup ASAP. I hope they change their minds about a global achievements system too.
Analysts predict next Nintendo console reveal at E3.
I'd be surprised but delighted if this was the case. I don't care about backwards compatibility, but I'm sure it would be. I just want a proper system with a proper controller and a decent online interface. It's so not too much to ask.[/QUOTE]
The Wii is still selling quite well, better then the PS3 I believe I just read, but not as good as the 360. That isn't an indication that they are currently hurting. Of course Microsoft's huge success with Kinect has to have them shaking in their boots a bit. But so far Microsoft hasn't exactly come through with games for it. That's just a matter of time, though, especially given the sales success.
I certainly hope they announce it at E3. I love Nintendo, but I really want an HD, good online, demos for all downloads from day 1, HDD or other large storage sporting, followup ASAP. I hope they change their minds about a global achievements system too.
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[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']I agree. I mean having a playstation 3 kinda spoiled me with online services. It's fast, quick and I don't have to worry about friend codes per game. Also I would like to see proper third party games, not 10,000 shovelware titles to one good game. Another interesting idea would to have an achievement like system in their games. I don't play games for achievements, but if a game has achievements, I like to try and get as many as I can within a normal playthrough because they usually offer fun new challenges I might have not thought of trying before.[/QUOTE]
I dont know why people always complain about shovelware. Bad games are a necessity when a system is successful. The Wii is the best-selling console, so it has the biggest audience, so everyone's going to want to sell a game for it. Games are much bigger now than they ever were, so a lot of people see them as a great investment and more games are developed.
Nintendo doesn't control who gets to make a game or how good or bad the game is - what good does it do for them? Locking down publishing to a select few publishers only benefits whiners on the internet. No one brings up the same argument about, say, movies or the Apple App Store. You think the signal to noise ratio is particularly high there?
I dont know why people always complain about shovelware. Bad games are a necessity when a system is successful. The Wii is the best-selling console, so it has the biggest audience, so everyone's going to want to sell a game for it. Games are much bigger now than they ever were, so a lot of people see them as a great investment and more games are developed.
Nintendo doesn't control who gets to make a game or how good or bad the game is - what good does it do for them? Locking down publishing to a select few publishers only benefits whiners on the internet. No one brings up the same argument about, say, movies or the Apple App Store. You think the signal to noise ratio is particularly high there?
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[quote name='moothemagiccow']I dont know why people always complain about shovelware. Bad games are a necessity when a system is successful. The Wii is the best-selling console, so it has the biggest audience, so everyone's going to want to sell a game for it. Games are much bigger now than they ever were, so a lot of people see them as a great investment and more games are developed.
Nintendo doesn't control who gets to make a game or how good or bad the game is - what good does it do for them? Locking down publishing to a select few publishers only benefits whiners on the internet. No one brings up the same argument about, say, movies or the Apple App Store. You think the signal to noise ratio is particularly high there?[/QUOTE]
I am not complaining about that there is shovelware. I am complaining that there is really few good third party titles compared to first party titles. I mean every console has shovelware I don't mind that, but it becomes a problem to me when there is a lack of good releases and only shovelware is coming out. I mean with the PS3, or 360 there is a stream of good games coming out almost constantly and the Wii it could take a month or two to get a decent game on the system sometimes and I tend to notice all the crap that is coming out when in reality something good could be coming out.
Nintendo doesn't control who gets to make a game or how good or bad the game is - what good does it do for them? Locking down publishing to a select few publishers only benefits whiners on the internet. No one brings up the same argument about, say, movies or the Apple App Store. You think the signal to noise ratio is particularly high there?[/QUOTE]
I am not complaining about that there is shovelware. I am complaining that there is really few good third party titles compared to first party titles. I mean every console has shovelware I don't mind that, but it becomes a problem to me when there is a lack of good releases and only shovelware is coming out. I mean with the PS3, or 360 there is a stream of good games coming out almost constantly and the Wii it could take a month or two to get a decent game on the system sometimes and I tend to notice all the crap that is coming out when in reality something good could be coming out.
I think it's safe to say that Nintendo recognizes the 3rd party problem with the Wii. See the launch of the 3DS, where there's really no top-tier 1st party game at all. The closest thing is Nintendogs + Cats. They are trying to get 3rd parties to step up to the plate, by not brushing them under the rug by having a bunch of big 1st party titles at launch. I'm pretty sure they are going to use the same approach with the Wii's successor.
Having said that, it's not really a problem for me. I don't play games with nearly enough speed for it to ever to be an issue. There's still many 1st party Wii games I haven't played, and more I have played, but I've never finished.
Having said that, it's not really a problem for me. I don't play games with nearly enough speed for it to ever to be an issue. There's still many 1st party Wii games I haven't played, and more I have played, but I've never finished.
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[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']I am not complaining about that there is shovelware. I am complaining that there is really few good third party titles compared to first party titles. I mean every console has shovelware I don't mind that, but it becomes a problem to me when there is a lack of good releases and only shovelware is coming out. I mean with the PS3, or 360 there is a stream of good games coming out almost constantly and the Wii it could take a month or two to get a decent game on the system sometimes and I tend to notice all the crap that is coming out when in reality something good could be coming out.[/QUOTE]
That's because all the third parties decided early on stupidly this gen that the Wii wasn't worth developing for. Then the Wii sold well, and they tried to throw crap to consumers who weren't biting.
That's because all the third parties decided early on stupidly this gen that the Wii wasn't worth developing for. Then the Wii sold well, and they tried to throw crap to consumers who weren't biting.
[quote name='Hakudoshi']Personally I am happy with the Wii as it is. I like the idea of the Wiimote and Nunchuk being separate unlike regular controllers,[/QUOTE]
I really love this, especially with a wireless nunchuck. Unfortunately it loses points for only having a single button. Give us the 4 standard face buttons and you have a winner.
[quote name='shieldwolf'] Don't put out a device with very limited support and games that are graphically superior but are poorly made or just cheap novelty products (I'm looking at you xbox)[/QUOTE]
I think Kinect Sports is more fun than Wii Sports. K. Adventures is pretty fun too.
I really love this, especially with a wireless nunchuck. Unfortunately it loses points for only having a single button. Give us the 4 standard face buttons and you have a winner.
[quote name='shieldwolf'] Don't put out a device with very limited support and games that are graphically superior but are poorly made or just cheap novelty products (I'm looking at you xbox)[/QUOTE]
I think Kinect Sports is more fun than Wii Sports. K. Adventures is pretty fun too.
[quote name='shieldwolf']What I'm not a fan of is the bandwagon from other consoles, especially ps3. So see that the wii is doing well and decide to copy it... fine then do it but do it better or at least as well. Don't put out a device with very limited support and games that are graphically superior but are poorly made or just cheap novelty products (I'm looking at you xbox)[/QUOTE]
I really don't get this jab at the Xbox. I presume you're bashing Kinect? Kinect is pretty darn amazing and if Nintendo doesn't do something soon they're going to lose a significant part of their audience because of it. The fitness games are superior, Kinect Sports is great and it has online play, and the online play in that is fun even for me (I can't compete in most online games, not even Bomberman or Snoopy Flying Ace), etc. Kinect is that improvement on motion control. It's not really even motion control - it's body tracking. It's precisely what you were calling for. Microsoft didn't do what Nintendo did, they did something new and different, and it works pretty darn well. AND it's in HD, something that most people can take advantage of now. They're even going to be improving Kinect this Spring with a substantial update that will add the ability track facial expressions and such. The Wii can't do updates like that at all, incidentally.
I really don't get this jab at the Xbox. I presume you're bashing Kinect? Kinect is pretty darn amazing and if Nintendo doesn't do something soon they're going to lose a significant part of their audience because of it. The fitness games are superior, Kinect Sports is great and it has online play, and the online play in that is fun even for me (I can't compete in most online games, not even Bomberman or Snoopy Flying Ace), etc. Kinect is that improvement on motion control. It's not really even motion control - it's body tracking. It's precisely what you were calling for. Microsoft didn't do what Nintendo did, they did something new and different, and it works pretty darn well. AND it's in HD, something that most people can take advantage of now. They're even going to be improving Kinect this Spring with a substantial update that will add the ability track facial expressions and such. The Wii can't do updates like that at all, incidentally.
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