NJ passes medical marijuana bill!

Nope. People who smoke are just going to keep smoking it anyway regardless if its legal or not. They should really be coming down harder on people getting caught with it, with huge fines. That'll keep them low lifes off of it.
 
[quote name='shieryda']The DEA will still be able to shut down the dispensaries anytime they want.[/QUOTE]

Didn't Obama change that and say that the feds will no longer enforce federal laws in states with legalized marijuana--i.e. the state laws would take precedent?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Didn't Obama change that and say that the feds will no longer enforce federal laws in states with legalized marijuana--i.e. the state laws would take precedent?[/QUOTE]

Perhaps. I just saw "Super High Me" and was pissed off that a Federal agency could seize property and patient records from these locations that were legally licensed to treat patients with chronic illness. That was filmed a couple years ago, so something may have changed since then.
 
[quote name='shieryda']Perhaps. I just saw "Super High Me" and was pissed off that a Federal agency could seize property and patient records from these locations that were legally licensed to treat patients with chronic illness. That was filmed a couple years ago, so something may have changed since then.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it did change. Feds no longer going after users or sellers of medical marijuana who are in compliance with state laws.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2009/10/feds_wont_pursue_medical_marij.html
 
Too much money is wasted on pot. Who cares? Just legalize it and tax the legal sales heavily like tobacco. Continue to enforce rules like driving while high, etc. Other than that, I don't smoke, but I don't care if you do. Maybe a little stricter about second hand smoke. I can deal with cigarette smoke when walking past someone, but I don't need to get a contact high when walking out of the office.

It is no worse than alcohol. Regardless of what people say, smoke of any type is not good for your lungs, alcohol kills your liver, and too much of anything is bad for a person. It may not be an addictive substance, but as with anything, the mental addiction comes into play.

I'd much rather have it be legal than see cops shot at for pulling over someone who has some in the trunk of their car or something.
 
[quote name='Retom7']Too much money is wasted on pot. Who cares? Just legalize it and tax the legal sales heavily like tobacco. Continue to enforce rules like driving while high, etc. Other than that, I don't smoke, but I don't care if you do. Maybe a little stricter about second hand smoke. I can deal with cigarette smoke when walking past someone, but I don't need to get a contact high when walking out of the office.

It is no worse than alcohol. Regardless of what people say, smoke of any type is not good for your lungs, alcohol kills your liver, and too much of anything is bad for a person. It may not be an addictive substance, but as with anything, the mental addiction comes into play.

I'd much rather have it be legal than see cops shot at for pulling over someone who has some in the trunk of their car or something.[/QUOTE]

WTF? you would rather have second hand poison from a cigarette, instead of some herbal healing. You deserve to have lung cancer!!
 
[quote name='Emokesta44']WTF? you would rather have second hand poison from a cigarette, instead of some herbal healing. You deserve to have lung cancer!![/QUOTE]

As far as my job goes, I don't think being high would be helpful.

I would have a harder time holding in my laughter when somebody is screaming at me over their phone or internet not being fixed until later today.
 
Yeah, second hand smoke would be a bigger issue. Hanging out in a bar with people smoking could cause you to fail a drug test if you're employer requires them, people aren't going to want to get a buzz while eating dinner if they're not a smoker (can't get a second hand "drunk" from people drinking around you).

So even if fully legalized it would probably have to be limited to homes, designated bars/clubs with pot licenses etc.
 
I am loving it around here ever since NJ banned smoking indoors. Bars and restaurants are so much more enjoyable. I don't care if you smoke - just don't subject me to it.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I am loving it around here ever since NJ banned smoking indoors. Bars and restaurants are so much more enjoyable. I don't care if you smoke - just don't subject me to it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'm a big supporter of it as well. Loved the ban when living in DC. It's a mixed bag around Atlanta--no ban I guess as some places have smoking and some don't.

One's that allow it, I don't go back to. Thankfully most of the places I've found and really liked don't allow smoking. Just some crappy sports bars with shitty beer selections etc. So I'm really not sure what the law is.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, second hand smoke would be a bigger issue. Hanging out in a bar with people smoking could cause you to fail a drug test if you're employer requires them, people aren't going to want to get a buzz while eating dinner if they're not a smoker (can't get a second hand "drunk" from people drinking around you).

So even if fully legalized it would probably have to be limited to homes, designated bars/clubs with pot licenses etc.[/QUOTE]

you cannot get high from second hand marijuana smoke, even in an enclosed space you will not fail a drug test if you ride around in a car with friends smoking and windows rolled up (of course you cant toke). its just a bullshit excuse people use and a myth that has been proven false, it is just as harmful as second hand cigarette smoke tho
 
[quote name='souljah420']you cannot get high from second hand marijuana smoke, even in an enclosed space you will not fail a drug test if you ride around in a car with friends smoking and windows rolled up (of course you cant toke). its just a bullshit excuse people use and a myth that has been proven false, it is just as harmful as second hand cigarette smoke tho[/QUOTE]

...um, no it's not, by far it's not.
 
Yeah, it's a lot lower in tar and the other toxins right?

I still don't want to be around it, as no smoke is going to be good for you (especially for people like me with allergies, asthma etc.), but I do recall studies showing it's much less harmful than cigarette smoke (both first and second hand).
 
[quote name='dbrev42']Nope. People who smoke are just going to keep smoking it anyway regardless if its legal or not. They should really be coming down harder on people getting caught with it, with huge fines. That'll keep them low lifes off of it.[/QUOTE]

hey, thats not fair to assume everyone who smokes is a low life. The fines in NJ for getting caught is absurd. Court, fines, missed work, stress, bullshit!

For most people, this is not going to change a damn thing. its not like in cali where you get a prescription for being anxious or sleep deprived. I am just hoping that eventually they will just hand out tickets for possesion instead of arresting you. really ridiculous but with the amount of money that is generated this way, it does make sense...
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/12/us/AP-US-Marijuana-Legalization.html?_r=1

Proving once again that California is better than New Jersey.[/QUOTE]

it says they would charge $50 an ounce... that is beautiful!!! the only reason weed is so expensive is that is is illegal thus skyrocketing the price due to having to buy it on the black market. i know at one dispensary out in san diego they charge 7.50 a gram for some pretty decent shit. i would grow my own of course but i am just sayin this is great news to start my day!
 
[quote name='souljah420']it says they would charge $50 an ounce... that is beautiful!!! the only reason weed is so expensive is that is is illegal thus skyrocketing the price due to having to buy it on the black market. i know at one dispensary out in san diego they charge 7.50 a gram for some pretty decent shit. i would grow my own of course but i am just sayin this is great news to start my day![/QUOTE]

What if I told you legalizing pot was a trap?
 
[quote name='Maledar']...um, no it's not, by far it's not.[/QUOTE]

Depending on what it's laced with, it could be.


Also, anybody who supports legalizing marijuana has clearly never seen it ruin somebody's life. When you've had a friend or loved one ruin their career, get hospitalized or even die from it, then come back and argue for it.

They need to do as dbrev42 suggested, start coming down hard. Cruel and unusual punishment only applies to people who aren't idiots.
 
I just wish people would give up the execuse that it's for 'medical reason's. And simply admit that they'd rather be stoned. A medicine that's smoked is clearly not designed with medicianal as it's first use. THC has been avaliable in pill form for years. People down in Oregon are shooting robbing known medicinal marijuina grow operations. "Chronic" back pain and insomnia are not justifications for you to get high and shirk your responsibilities.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Depending on what it's laced with, it could be.


Also, anybody who supports legalizing marijuana has clearly never seen it ruin somebody's life. When you've had a friend or loved one ruin their career, get hospitalized or even die from it, then come back and argue for it.

They need to do as dbrev42 suggested, start coming down hard. Cruel and unusual punishment only applies to people who aren't idiots.[/QUOTE]

What?

That's not marijuana.
 
[quote name='becuzimbrown']What?

That's not marijuana.[/QUOTE]

Marijuana is the leading cause of death in the US. Over 3 million died last year alone just from a contact high.
 
[quote name='becuzimbrown']What?

That's not marijuana.[/QUOTE]

No, it is. I've seen people hospitalized because of it. I've seen people do stupid shit while high that nearly took their life. And I've seen lives destroyed because it's simply a gateway drug, and leads to other drugs. I even know somebody who is perpetually high, leaving her in no condition to live her actual life, including taking care of her only son. (Thank the justice system that the dad finally got custody of him.)

And a lot of this could be said for alcohol too. But we lost that battle 80 years ago. We haven't lost this one yet.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Marijuana is the leading cause of death in the US. Over 3 million died last year alone just from a contact high.[/QUOTE]


:lol:
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']
And a lot of this could be said for alcohol too. But we lost that battle 80 years ago. We haven't lost this one yet.[/QUOTE]


We'll at least you're consistent. Though I can't agree with that. Prohibition failed, just like the war on drugs is failing. People should be able to largely take what they want, punish them when they put others at risk. Obviously any drugs shown to make people aggressive or violent etc. should remain illegal. As should drugs that one can OD on very easily relative to alcohol (use it as the standard since it's legal).

I think the solution is simply more money in education, prevention and treatment. We don't do enough for alcohol abuse, and do even less for drug abuse since it's so stigmatized. The "just say no" message isn't enough.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']No, it is. I've seen people hospitalized because of it. I've seen people do stupid shit while high that nearly took their life. And I've seen lives destroyed because it's simply a gateway drug, and leads to other drugs. I even know somebody who is perpetually high, leaving her in no condition to live her actual life, including taking care of her only son. (Thank the justice system that the dad finally got custody of him.)

And a lot of this could be said for alcohol too. But we lost that battle 80 years ago. We haven't lost this one yet.[/QUOTE]

Hospitalized from just marijuana?
 
[quote name='becuzimbrown']Hospitalized from just marijuana?[/QUOTE]

And died from it, too.

The documentary Reefer Madness clearly shows people going irrevocably insane from casual marijuana use.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?
 
[quote name='becuzimbrown']Hospitalized from just marijuana?[/QUOTE]

One of them, yes. He did smoke quite a bit of it though. And I do know one who was hospitalized because it was laced with meth or something. But I guess that would be (hopefully) eliminated if it were legalized.

And marijuana IS a gateway drug. I went to a high school with more drug addicts than graduates, and they all start with pot, then usually move to more hardcore drugs.

I won't claim to know everything about drugs, but I would like to think that I know quite a bit, since I know quite a few drug addicts (and alcoholics).
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']I won't claim to know everything about drugs, but I would like to think that I know quite a bit, since I know quite a few drug addicts (and alcoholics).[/QUOTE]

I don't think you should argue that you know quite a bit either.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source...2&aqi=g10&oq=marijuana+is&fp=1d424e1332491038

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study-say-marijuana-no-gateway-drug-12116.html

You're just lucky mykevermin isn't here to tell you anecdotal is inferior to empirical.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I don't think you should argue that you know quite a bit either.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source...2&aqi=g10&oq=marijuana+is&fp=1d424e1332491038

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study-say-marijuana-no-gateway-drug-12116.html

You're just lucky mykevermin isn't here to tell you anecdotal is inferior to empirical.[/QUOTE]

Whether this is true or not, I wouldn't use that study as evidence. 214 boys between the ages of 10 and 22 isn't exactly a broad range of people.

I'll admit defeat here, as you're right, all I have is anecdotal evidence, but that study definitely doesn't prove anything.
 
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