No more 60GB PlayStation 3

It makes sense doesnt it? they already said they'll be cutting the EE out of north american units too, why would they continue to make two skus?
 
But I don't see why they'd introduce an 80 gb HDD then. All they'd have to do is quietly take out the EE.
 
[quote name='Milkyman']It makes sense doesnt it? they already said they'll be cutting the EE out of north american units too, why would they continue to make two skus?[/QUOTE]

It doesn't make sense considering the box on the 80GB motorstorm bundle says limited.

You guys realize that different region execs are able to make mistakes...... In fact I believe this has happened to Sony by this same exact person before or at least another exec.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']But I don't see why they'd introduce an 80 gb HDD then. All they'd have to do is quietly take out the EE.[/QUOTE]

maybe their supplier lowered the price of 80 gig drives to the same as they used to pay for 60 gig drives, or maybe nobody makes 60 gig drives anymore. It's such a minor difference but maybe they want you to think its the better version instead of focusing on the lost EE.
 
The Euro guy could easily be making a false statement to get us to rush out and snap up the "last few remaining" 60gig models.

Remember, Sony has promised its stockholders they would sell 11 million units by year end. And Sony lying to us....nah, never!
 
So is this 80 gb bundle a transition pack? Instead of rumble you get a game and more hdd space? Then in September you get rumble at a cheaper price?

Man, my head is hurting from the confusion of this.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']Probably more sensationalized misinterpreted statements.

I'll wait to hear it from more Sony reps.[/QUOTE]

Like how they told us they stopped making 20gig ps3s months after anyone had seen one at retail? Forget the asshat execs making dumb statements for a moment. We know they lose money on the ps3, doesn't it stand to reason that continuing to manufacture one model with the EE and one without the EE would be costing them even more? They'd have to have separate production lines pumping out main circuit boards. The hard drive itself shouldn't factor in as it is just a drop in replacement. I don't understand the reluctance to believe this.
 
If this is true, Nintendo won E3...by default :\ (at least in my opinion)

Not exactly the best way to end the week for Sony.
 
[quote name='Milkyman']We know they lose money on the ps3, doesn't it stand to reason that continuing to manufacture one model with the EE and one without the EE would be costing them even more? [/quote]

No, no no. Taking out the EE would be for BOTH skus. Where did you hear that they are going to keep making PS3s with EEs? Just because they take that chip out doesn't mean they're going to drop multi-skus.

I didn't think the EE was going to reduce their costs that much anyway.

Anyway, I'm not not as concerned about whether what the SCEE guys says is true or not. I'm just surprised he'd be that candid when it's pretty clear that SCEA wasn't going to reveal that info to anyone.

Like I said in the other thread, it's like SCEA and SCEE aren't even on the same team...

Edit: slight clarification on my take on the EE thing.
 
[quote name='gunm']No, no no. Taking out the EE would be for BOTH skus. Where did you hear that they are going to keep making PS3s with EEs? Just because they take that chip out doesn't mean they're going to drop multi-skus.
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I'm not sure what you think I'm saying. The 80 gig version already doesn't have the EE. I'm saying it doesn't make sense for them to continue producing one with the EE and one without the EE so we agree?

It seemed to me the skeptics in the thread don't want to believe they'll stop making the EE/60gig version. Are you saying they'll take out the EE and continue to have a 60 gig model and an 80 gig model?
 
Nope, what I'm saying is that it could be false, could be true, and there could be a lot more to this than what's being reported on.

For example, what if he's simply confirming that the 60GB is being cleared out, the 80gb will then become the standard sku at $500 without motorstorm. Or he really could just say that the current 60gb hardware model is gone and will be replaced by the 80gb, or perhaps a new 60gb without the EE.

Honestly, there's very little information, and a whole lot of speculation.
 
I think we have to wonder how many 60 gb units are still in house and channel. I definitely don't think Sony will be gone with them all by the end of the month stateside. I assume they have at least 3 million combined in the states so far.
They could probably sell the rest of the 60 gb units in the holiday season, and cutting the price on the 80 gb version after the holidays where it will not include Motorstorm.
 
Oh yeah, forgot to mention, but over in Europe where this exec is from, the PS3 had no price drop. So for all intents and purposes, he's not the best person to talk to about US and Japanese SCE policy.
 
Its really hard to come up with reasons for such a thing being true, but heres my shot:

- We want to move to one 80 GB model at $500, so we don't look QUITE as stupid right next to the Elite at almost the same price point.

- But if we just out and release the 80 GB model at $500, there'll be like a zillion unsellable 60 GB PS3s just sitting around.

- Okay. Let's put the 80 GB model at $600, and drop the 60 GB model to $500, prompting people to buy more 60 GB models than they would have before. Then when it runs out, move the 80 GB model to $500. We'll do some bullshit about a pack-in game that gets dropped in the final price shuffle as a fig leaf.

I hope its not true. I feel kinda bad for being so hard on them all this time. I didnt want it to end like this. Something of a more dignified struggle.
 
[quote name='Milkyman']Are you saying they'll take out the EE and continue to have a 60 gig model and an 80 gig model?[/quote]

Yes, that was my understanding when I first read about that news. I'm not saying I'm right, but I didn't read/hear anything about Sony getting rid of the $499.99 sku, whatever that ends up being.

The Euroguy said the price drop was just to get rid of 60GB PS3s and to my knowledge nothing official was stated in the US to confirm that.

Of course, the 20 went Dodo without much notice so who knows?
 
If this is true, Sony will still deny it up until the day the 60GB is no more.

So, this will be a tough rumor to forget about, knowing Sony's PR.
 
I cant get it to load all the way, but supposedly Kaz confirms it with video:

http://atvs.vg.no/player/?id=10235

[quote name='at 1:41']Well, again, just from a hardware perspective, the 499 dollar price adjustment that we did for the 60 GB version, for the american market, uh, we're no longer in production for that product, so uh once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to the $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two price strategy here in the US market. We found out very early on, you know, consumers react mostly to just having one SKU as opposed to two.[/quote]
 
Kaz confirms it with video:

http://atvs.vg.no/player/?id=10235

[quote name='at 1:41']Well, again, just from a hardware perspective, the 499 dollar price adjustment that we did for the 60 GB version, for the american market, uh, we're no longer in production for that product, so uh once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to the $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two price strategy here in the US market. We found out very early on, you know, consumers react mostly to just having one SKU as opposed to two.[/quote]
 
Seriously??? So when does Sony start getting bad press about this? After all the price cut hype and extra sales....
 
So you can still jump on board and pick up a 60gb for $500. Upgrade your own memory and don't worry about the 80gb. They could come out with a 120gb for $450 but it still won't change the fact that I already have one in my living room. Once the hardware's in your house, all of this discussion becomes moot. All I care about now are the games.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Kaz confirms it with video:

http://atvs.vg.no/player/?id=10235[/quote]Wow.

I suppose that still leaves an opening to drop the $599 SKU to a $499 SKU once the 60GB is gone, but it doesn't really sound promising.

They're making the consumers play jump-rope with their marketing strategy this gen. No one's going to know when they should jump in.
 
Maybe they're covering their bases so that if the $499 price point doesn't jump start sales as much as they would like, then they can just stay at the $599 price point for the 80gb and not lose as much money. Everyone seems to think the $499 price point won't do much for sales anyway. And this may be why MS is waiting and not following Sony with a price cut.
 
Shit. So if I want one for $450 (CC and returning the controller) and with the EE but no rumble I need to buy one now, right? What are the chances of a $450 model with full emulation plus rumble coming out by next Christmas (when I planned on buying)? Sony is run by a bunch of retarded monkeys.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Its really hard to come up with reasons for such a thing being true, but heres my shot:

- We want to move to one 80 GB model at $500, so we don't look QUITE as stupid right next to the Elite at almost the same price point.

- But if we just out and release the 80 GB model at $500, there'll be like a zillion unsellable 60 GB PS3s just sitting around.

- Okay. Let's put the 80 GB model at $600, and drop the 60 GB model to $500, prompting people to buy more 60 GB models than they would have before. Then when it runs out, move the 80 GB model to $500. We'll do some bullshit about a pack-in game that gets dropped in the final price shuffle as a fig leaf.

I hope its not true. I feel kinda bad for being so hard on them all this time. I didnt want it to end like this. Something of a more dignified struggle.[/quote]

Your timeline/ thought train actually sounds about right if this is true.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Shit. So if I want one for $450 (CC and returning the controller) and with the EE but no rumble I need to buy one now, right? What are the chances of a $450 model with full emulation plus rumble coming out by next Christmas (when I planned on buying)? Sony is run by a bunch of retarded monkeys.[/quote]

slim to none. online retailers will most likely sell out by the end of this month and your best bet will be unsold PS3's in B&M stores....which again is not very likely to have a PS3 that has been around for months unsold with that kind of price drop on it.

If you want the EE chip it's best to grab it now before they're gone.
 
I agree that once the 60 gig sells out they can easily drop the game and sell the 80 gig for $500. By that point they may even be able to keep the game in. Manufacturing costs drop fast for high end electronics, and $500 for 80 gig with a game would definately keep systems moving.

Also, does anyone know how many 60 gig systems they made? I would assume there are probably a few million out there unsold since it has been all that they have been producing for 6 months.
 
[quote name='happy']I agree that once the 60 gig sells out they can easily drop the game and sell the 80 gig for $500. By that point they may even be able to keep the game in. Manufacturing costs drop fast for high end electronics, and $500 for 80 gig with a game would definately keep systems moving.

Also, does anyone know how many 60 gig systems they made? I would assume there are probably a few million out there unsold since it has been all that they have been producing for 6 months.[/quote]Their last report said they had sold 1.4 million in NA as of May, and had shipped 2.62 million as of March. So there were more than 1.2 million out in the channel as of May.
 
They got it wrong, each of Sony Computer Entertainment divisions operate completely separate. SCEA has no control over SCEE and voice versa.

This is what I hear is going to happen in NA.
-Sony can buy 80GB HDD cheaper in bulk, due to them being more widely used.
-Sony also plans to use the cheaper blu-ray disc diodes in the 80GB model (which costs much less to manufacturer).
-The 80GB PS3 may lack the EE (like the Korean model) chip, and go to software.
-The circuit board of the 80GB also reduces components (like the Euro PS3).
-The console may be packed with the rumble SIXAXIS.

Basically, the new 80GB model will be Sony's more costs effective PS3 in the future, which will probably be sold worldwide as their main SKU (If you see the price on it in South Korea, you can tell its more manufactured at a lower cost). Right now, SCEA wants to get rid of all the 60GB models they have (which contain a regular SIXAXIS). They'll sell the 80GB alongside the 60GB PS3 for now. Once the 60GB PS3 is completely cleared, they'll remove MotorStorm from the bundle, and sell an 80GB PS3, with no EE, at $499.99. Sony will have a cheaper PS3 on the market (so they can concentrate on cutting its costs more), and all the new PS3 consoles could be packed with a SIXAXIS rumble controller (well, after they un-bundle MotorStorm). Sony has done similar in the past, trying to get rid of older units, and that's what it appears they're doing.

SCEE is doing something completely different. They are bundling the current PS3 with two games and a extra controller. Reason they aren't price dropping yet in Europe is because the console just came out in March. However, around the Holiday season or maybe as early as October, they will drop the price of PS3 there and un-bundle it.

Let me repeat this. The 80GB PS3 with MotorStorm is Limited Edition currently, just like the PSP having the Entertainment pack last Holiday season, the PSP slim bundles, etc. The 60GB SKU is still their main SKU for now. It will be a lot longer than people think for Sony to clear the 60GB. They still have plenty of 60GB HDD which they need to use up, before completely going 80GB. SCEA (Jack Tretton) stated over and over again that its limited edition. That idiot Reese (most Sony fans hate him) has no say over SCEA and barely knows what they are doing.
 
This whole generation of videogames is weird. There are going to be so many versions/ SKUs of the PS3 and 360 by the time it's over.

It used to be, do you want a PS2, XBox or Gamecube? (maybe you're lucky and get to choose a color) Now, it's a waiting game to hold and see if you might get another 20 GB/ better color in 3 months...
 
Not that it doesn't make sense but how do you know all that? Any way you look at it, removing the EE is a shitty move - how much could it really add to the cost of the machine?
 
I guess the EE costs enough to hurt Sony in the long run. At the end of the day, the PS3 will be defined by this gen and not the compatibility with the last two generations.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Not that it doesn't make sense but how do you know all that? Any way you look at it, removing the EE is a shitty move - how much could it really add to the cost of the machine?[/QUOTE]Removing the EE saves Sony around $25 per machine. If they manufacturer two million machines without it, they save $50 million. Also, it will reduce the number of components needed, therefore, lower the costs even more. EDIT: Sony included the EE at launch because the software emulation wasn't ready, and they wanted to have near full BC at launch (otherwise, they'd have to delay PS3 longer).

The situation is, PS3 is an expensive machine and Sony has to find ways to bring its costs down. Keeping PS2 hardware inside of the PS3 would keep PS3 priced at around $200 (at the cheapest) forever. HDD prices don't change a whole lot between sizes (which is part of the reason Sony lost a lot more on the 20GB, because the difference in price was minimal between 60GB. 80GB can be bought cheaper in bulk due to being standard in many laptops). Blu-ray will continue to drop and other components. If people want the EE badly, it will keep the PS3 price higher, and Sony knows a lower price is more attractive to consumers. Good thing about going software emulation is, they can re-use it over and over again for future PS consoles. And from what I heard from those who tried both PS3 versions, the one without the EE is actually a bit better, since you don't have to re-connect the bluetooth controller when playing a PS2 game since it doesn't have to switch to PS2 hardware mode (I could be wrong, but it might not sign you off of PSN either, because that's what happens when playing PS2 games, unlike PS1 games).
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Removing the EE saves Sony around $25 per machine. If they manufacturer two million machines without it, they save $50 million. Also, it will reduce the number of components needed, therefore, lower the costs even more.

The situation is, PS3 is an expensive machine and Sony has to find ways to bring its costs down. Keeping PS2 hardware inside of the PS3 would keep PS3 priced at around $200 (at the cheapest) forever. HDD prices don't change a whole lot between sizes (which is part of the reason Sony lost a lot more on the 20GB, because the difference in price was minimal between 60GB. 80GB can be bought cheaper in bulk due to being standard in many laptops). Blu-ray will continue to drop and other components. If people want the EE badly, it will keep the PS3 price higher, and Sony knows a lower price is more attractive to consumers. Good thing about going software emulation is, they can re-use it over and over again for future PS consoles. And from what I heard from those who tried both PS3 versions, the one without the EE is actually a bit better, since you don't have to re-connect the bluetooth controller when playing a PS2 game since it doesn't have to switch to PS2 hardware mode (I could be wrong, but it might not sign you off of PSN either, because that's what happens when playing PS2 games, unlike PS1 games).[/quote]Bringing their costs down are great... but it looks like all they're going to be doing is adding value to make up for those reduced costs. Europe is apparently skipping the 80GB and will presumably be bringing out a 120GB SKU in the near future. I bet its going to be right around the same cost then as the 60GB is now. If they're going to remove the EE and optimize enough to save $50, then drop the cost of the console $50, don't pack in another $50 worth of hard drive space.

As is, I've decided to pass for now... wife is less than thrilled with idea, and by the time it gets back to the reasonable range with all the "value adds" following "price drops," I'll have finished the PS2 games I have, so won't need to worry about the EE. And I'll have a nice cheap PS3 library to choose from.
 
Wow, just when Sony started to get gamers back on their side, they pull this shit! Seems like they are doing this just so that everyone goes out and buys the 60GB once they see a hike in sales, who knows what the true story may be...
 
Just an FYI, it look like many FutureShop (Canada's largest electronics retailer) locations in canada, including their website are sold out of the 60GB.... That happened in that lst 48 hrs, as I was kind of monitoring it just for shits and giggles.

~S
 
Hopefully, a 60gig is still around by the end of November. If the 60gig does sell out by that time, I'm going to hit up craigslist/ebay for a used one.
 
[quote name='botticus']wife is less than thrilled with idea[/quote]

This is ultimately my reason for passing on this. She just doesn't get it. I got the "I don't see the need to own 3 different consoles." speech.
 
[quote name='botticus']Bringing their costs down are great... but it looks like all they're going to be doing is adding value to make up for those reduced costs. [/quote]The 80GB SKU is actually cheaper than the 60GB SKU currently. The price of the 60GB and 80GB HDD are too similar.

Europe is apparently skipping the 80GB and will presumably be bringing out a 120GB SKU in the near future. I bet its going to be right around the same cost then as the 60GB is now.
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Europe already has the EE removed, so they're already getting the reduced cost PS3, except it might costs more in the future to continue with a 60GB drive.
If they're going to remove the EE and optimize enough to save $50, then drop the cost of the console $50, don't pack in another $50 worth of hard drive space.
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That is Europe, not NA. NA is sticking to 80GB for its future. Also, popular HDD sizes jump in 40GB increments. If anything, a 120GB could be cheaper one day than the 60GB (since 60GB isn't mass produced in several electronics).

As is, I've decided to pass for now... wife is less than thrilled with idea, and by the time it gets back to the reasonable range with all the "value adds" following "price drops," I'll have finished the PS2 games I have, so won't need to worry about the EE. And I'll have a nice cheap PS3 library to choose from.
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[quote name='javeryh']This is ultimately my reason for passing on this. She just doesn't get it. I got the "I don't see the need to own 3 different consoles." speech.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, wives are like that. :( That's kind of why I'm glad I'm single right now (probably never get married because of that, since I like games too much, but that's another story). ;)
[quote name='postaboy']Hopefully, a 60gig is still around by the end of November. If the 60gig does sell out by that time, I'm going to hit up craigslist/ebay for a used one.[/QUOTE]The 80GB will be at the new price by then. But if you want full BC, then you may have to track down a 60GB.
 
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