"No one wants a PS3 anymore. We are asked about the Wii every 5 minutes though."

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Was just watching Attack of the show and they were covering the news. They talked about how Sony says they have shipped all their systems, yet blogs all over the internet have been reporting tons of PS3s just sitting on the shelf and even rumors like walmart not buying anymore PS3s because they have so many. Hell we see one at this board multiple times a day. They didnt just want to report this news though they decided to look into it. They sent their interns out in the city to check multiple stores like best buys and they claim that not only did they find it to be true, but when asking store reps about it one commented "No one wants a PS3 anymore. We are asked about the Wii every five minutes though".

All I can say is ouch. Its kinda hard for fanboys to argue the PS3 isnt having a demmand problem right now. Not only have we seen all these pics in blogs and not only have most of us experienced finding PS3s on shelf....but now we have people doing research into it on TV and finding it to be true.
 
It's not suprising....it's not easy to sell a $500-$600 console with such a small selection of games. It's going to take a least a year for them to get rolling. As a Wii60 owner I'm not really looking at the PS3 right now.
 
Is it really that surprising at the price points? Because when you think about it, that's what it comes down to. Reverse the roles and you have the exact opposite.

I like the idea of the Wii's control system because of the price. I don't like the PS3 (even though I like the games) because of the price. Once Sony puts a price drop into effect, they'll see the sales they want.
 
:lol: So they went out and confirmed internet anecdotes with their own anecdotes? Nice.

If they want to report on it as a news outlet, go talk to corporate retail offices and ask about chain-wide product availability.
 
[quote name='botticus']:lol: So they went out and confirmed internet anecdotes with their own anecdotes? Nice.

If they want to report on it as a news outlet, go talk to corporate retail offices and ask about chain-wide product availability.[/QUOTE]

Agreed it would be nice if they did that. However with a system in such limited supply as the PS3 if there are systems sitting on store shelves at most stores you go to...it means there is a demmand problem.
 
[quote name='botticus']:lol: So they went out and confirmed internet anecdotes with their own anecdotes? Nice.

If they want to report on it as a news outlet, go talk to corporate retail offices and ask about chain-wide product availability.[/QUOTE]

Good point. Although my own anecdotal experience also jibes with this.

(Posted this on the OTT a couple days ago)

So I was in a local Gamestop the other day and asked the guy (just for curiousity's sake)

Me: "So DS lites are hard to find?"
GS: "Oh yeah, wait is through the end of the month now."
Me: "And Wii's go fast?"
GS: "Yep."
Me: "PS3s?"
GS: "We have 6 or 7 sitting in the back room."
Me: "Wow, when did they start just sitting on the shelf?"
GS: "Just after the initial rush. We had several come back as returns after Xmas as well."

I actually saw DS lite's at a local Best Buy the day before, but I guess more people look to GS (or they get less in.)
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Agreed it would be nice if they did that. However with a system in such limited supply as the PS3 if there are systems sitting on store shelves at most stores you go to...it means there is a demmand problem.[/quote]Not at all arguing that (iTrackr shows 80% national availability, and 28 of 29 local stores show in stock here - the 1 is CompUSA; in addition, my EB has a pile of 10-15 PS3s that's taller than one of the employees). Just a worthless way for them to report on it.
 
Their problem right now is that a large percentage of hardcore gamers and techies can't even justify buying a PS3. Without the traditional early adopters on board, you end up with product just sitting on shelves. Not many "casual" people are going to go out and spend $600+ on a video game system or movie player 3 weeks after Christmas.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Their problem right now is that a large percentage of hardcore gamers and techies can't even justify buying a PS3. Without the traditional early adopters on board, you end up with product just sitting on shelves. Not many "casual" people are going to go out and spend $600+ on a video game system or movie player 3 weeks after Christmas.[/QUOTE]

Well and I wouldnt have thought so till recently but...I do think hardcore gamers opinions matter now. Iv had several people come up and ask me if they should get a PS3, Xbox360 or a Wii since this whole thing started. I think in the past people would have just bought one and risked it, but with the price different being so high between Wii and Xbox and then Xbox and PS3 people are actually asking gamers they know what to buy. Even people I dont know that well that know im a gamer have asked me. At the end of last semester I had a two different people in my speach class who knew I was a gamer from a speach I gave as well as that im always playing with my DS approach me about this. 1 was buying a system for her boyfriend and another for her husband, with the price differences they had no clue what to do.
 
Funny this topic came up, I went to two gamestops yesterday and both had ps3's in stock, I only knew it because at both locations they were trying hard as hell to sell the Wii by telling people the ps3's hadn't moved in a few days. I would have thought this was a fluke but I hit Best Buy before going home, a HUGE sign on the front door saying ps3's still in stock, this is around 8:30 pm so they've gone from selling out within 30 minutes to sitting all day in this area.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Their problem right now is that a large percentage of hardcore gamers and techies can't even justify buying a PS3. Without the traditional early adopters on board, you end up with product just sitting on shelves. Not many "casual" people are going to go out and spend $600+ on a video game system or movie player 3 weeks after Christmas.[/QUOTE]

they will if they want to watch Descent in BR.

here something from the Thank You Network.
PlayStation® 3
ThankYouSM Item #: 1112182
46,000 Points

And this is the amount of points I have 46,755 pts. Just need it to be back in stock and find a way to convince the wife that we need a BR disc player.
 
I wouldn't buy a PS3 even if it was $300 right now - there just aren't any games I want on it yet. Give it time to build a decent library, especially some great exclusives.
 
Ship hit the nail on the head. BTW, just to add more anecdotal evidence, both the Circuit City and GS that I went to yesterday had PS3s in stock. The GS even had a sign on the front door letting people know that they had PS3s.
 
[quote name='HuBu']they will if they want to watch Descent in BR.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I've read this at least 5 times now and I still can't discern whether that was a joke for me to laugh at or just something for me to laugh at.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']Ship hit the nail on the head. BTW, just to add more anecdotal evidence, both the Circuit City and GS that I went to yesterday had PS3s in stock. The GS even had a sign on the front door letting people know that they had PS3s.[/QUOTE]

they are making us put up a sign that says ps3s are in stock when we have them. my store had 5 yesterday when i got off work, i bet we still do today. i had 6 wiis two days ago, those were sold out in about 20 minutes. and the phone calls are killing me, its hard to keep a smile on your face after the 247th one.

i think its just a high price, with a small game selection, a lot of the launch or before christmas titles were pushed back to the spring. i would expect to see sales go up around then.
 
As others have said its the price point and the lack of exclusives right now. Give it some time and it will pick up. I know if I could score a 20GB for 300.00 I would in a second.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Ah okay, that's the movie that had that problem. That makes more sense to me now.

Maybe iheartmetal should add something about the Descent exclusive to that sign he hung up. That should get them moving.[/QUOTE]

i would but i dont want to have a riot on my hands.
 
I agree with this 100%. Im that person at my workplace, that everyone asks about these new game systems. Wether they want one for themselves, or a spouse, or child, they all ask me.

I know for a fact Ive sold a few Wii's and DSlites thru my reccomendations. Anyone interested in a more powerful system I reccomend the 360 to. And thru talking to these people, I see that even the non gaming layperson understands that the PS3 is overpriced and not any better than the X360. I dont personally know a single person who picked up a PS3 since its come out.



[quote name='MSI Magus']Well and I wouldnt have thought so till recently but...I do think hardcore gamers opinions matter now. Iv had several people come up and ask me if they should get a PS3, Xbox360 or a Wii since this whole thing started. I think in the past people would have just bought one and risked it, but with the price different being so high between Wii and Xbox and then Xbox and PS3 people are actually asking gamers they know what to buy. Even people I dont know that well that know im a gamer have asked me. At the end of last semester I had a two different people in my speach class who knew I was a gamer from a speach I gave as well as that im always playing with my DS approach me about this. 1 was buying a system for her boyfriend and another for her husband, with the price differences they had no clue what to do.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Puffa469']I agree with this 100%. Im that person at my workplace, that everyone asks about these new game systems. Wether they want one for themselves, or a spouse, or child, they all ask me.

I know for a fact Ive sold a few Wii's and DSlites thru my reccomendations. Anyone interested in a more powerful system I reccomend the 360 to. And thru talking to these people, I see that even the non gaming layperson understands that the PS3 is overpriced and not any better than the X360. I dont personally know a single person who picked up a PS3 since its come out.[/QUOTE]

Iv not been so lucky. Iv had to sell 360s every time. Dont get me wrong 360 is a decent system and all but I want Nintendo to win out and sell their systems. Everyone thats asked me so far though would be better off with a 360 though since its been people who are looking for things like Sports titles. I cant in good concious say buy your Husband/Boyfriend a Wii over a 360 given that.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Iv not been so lucky. Iv had to sell 360s every time. Dont get me wrong 360 is a decent system and all but I want Nintendo to win out and sell their systems. Everyone thats asked me so far though would be better off with a 360 though since its been people who are looking for things like Sports titles. I cant in good concious say buy your Husband/Boyfriend a Wii over a 360 given that.[/QUOTE]

At the moment, yeah. The 360 is without a doubt the best system on the market in terms of games. I would have bought one myself by now, but with all the rumors swirling about a new 360 I think I'm holding off for now.

As for game genres, it really depends what you're looking for. Sports you're probably best off with a 360 right now, but in the long run I don't think it'll matter too much. The only thing that can really be counted on at this point is 360 = prefered system for FPSes, PS3 = great looking JRPGs, Wii = a good mix of platformers, mini games, etc based on their mascots. That doesn't mean there are no JRPGs on the 360 or the PS3 doesn't have any "mascot" games, but there is a clear winner for a few game genres already.
 
I've been doing a lot of running around lately and almost every Walmart, Target and GS/eb has had PS3s in stock. In fact, one Walmart had so many that they shoved some in the Nintendo cabinet where the Wiis should be... I am glad I picked up a Wii when I did, as I thought they would be easy to find.
 
[quote name='furyk']At the moment, yeah. The 360 is without a doubt the best system on the market in terms of games. I would have bought one myself by now, but with all the rumors swirling about a new 360 I think I'm holding off for now.

As for game genres, it really depends what you're looking for. Sports you're probably best off with a 360 right now, but in the long run I don't think it'll matter too much. The only thing that can really be counted on at this point is 360 = prefered system for FPSes, PS3 = great looking JRPGs, Wii = a good mix of platformers, mini games, etc based on their mascots. That doesn't mean there are no JRPGs on the 360 or the PS3 doesn't have any "mascot" games, but there is a clear winner for a few game genres already.[/QUOTE]

That's true, for the moment. It'll become moot once the PS3 gets some solid sports titles (releasing Madden '07 at the system's launch is about as meaningful as releasing MGS2: Substance on the Xbox a long while after the game's release: as popular as Madden is, it surely thrives on early adopters, and the sales trends bottom out until the price drop comes 'round). Once EA Sports Franchises ver. '08 come out on the PS3 and 360 on the same day, that advantage will decline. OTOH, some sports franchises seem awfully tempting to get for the Wii exclusively. For instance, I don't play golf games much (though the Tiger Woods demo on 360 was damned good), but Tiger Woods on the Wii has me anticipating it (though I know nothing about it!).

Really, there's no genuine software advantage for the PS3 or Wii at this point, IMO, save for Nintendo's push of the VC (and, contrary to people's grousing, they're doing a helluva job with it, IMO). The next 12-24 months will be quite telling. Even though I own all three systems, I don't think there's really any reason to early adopt either the Wii or PS3.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] Even though I own all three systems, I don't think there's really any reason to early adopt either the Wii or PS3.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, there isn't. It's easier to justify a Wii since $250 with a game that practically everyone loves is an easier pill to swallow then a $400 (at launch) 360 or a $500-600 PS3. Still, I had to do a lot of justifying of a few mediocre titles or ports to get the Wii up to my 5 games I really want to buy the system clause.
 
[quote name='furyk']Yeah, there isn't. It's easier to justify a Wii since $250 with a game that practically everyone loves is an easier pill to swallow then a $400 (at launch) 360 or a $500-600 PS3. Still, I had to do a lot of justifying of a few mediocre titles or ports to get the Wii up to my 5 games I really want to buy the system clause.[/QUOTE]

Yeah...but hasn't that always been the case with console launches? There's a major point in the argument that $250 is far easier to swallow than $500 in this case. I'm not arguing your points, but refining what I was thinking (in this case, that there being little incentive to adopt a new console at its launch has always been rather low from a software quality perspective, with few - Dreamcast, perhaps SNES - exceptions).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Yeah...but hasn't that always been the case with console launches? There's a major point in the argument that $250 is far easier to swallow than $500 in this case. I'm not arguing your points, but refining what I was thinking (in this case, that there being little incentive to adopt a new console at its launch has always been rather low from a software quality perspective, with few - Dreamcast, perhaps SNES - exceptions).[/QUOTE]

Well, let me put it this way. There have been three consoles (four counting the Lite) I bought at launch. One was the 360 which I had no problem re-selling after my car's engine broke on the drive home (yes, I spent 8 hours waiting for a 360 only to have my car's engine explode on the way home). I bought the Dreamcast also and the Wii at launch. As it stands, the Dreamcast is my favorite system of all time for me, but the DS Lite giving it a ton of competition though as my favorite. While I do get caught up in the hype, I don't get really caught up in the hype and every game I own for my Wii, I would get eventually (either on clearance/used).

While I do a good bit of justifying of my purchases, I don't do it to the point where I'm blinding myself to reality. Granted, the DS has gotten me much more excited about Nintendo then I have been in years, but I seriously doubt that plays so much in me being a Wii defender. While I think it's a better value to a gamer in terms of what's out right now to get a 360, this is only the second time (first the Dreamcast) I can say buying a console at launch is not a lot of justifying your purchase waiting for it to actually be worth it.
 
[quote name='Setzer']Yup, AOTS is Anti-Sony.[/quote]

riiiiight. Thats why they had hours of special launch day programming when the ps3 came out. :roll:
 
[quote name='Puffa469']riiiiight. Thats why they had hours of special launch day programming when the ps3 came out. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I dont think they are anti Sony per say. Last gen they were all over sonys jock. However, AotS credits itself on being "hip". The guy that blogs Kotaku was recently invited on as an industry expert and posted that while he has been on many big big programs for networks like CNN NONE of them have had dress codes. Yet AotS sent him a message saying please dont wear a suit, bright or flashy colors and try and dress cool, we pride ourselves on being hip and cool.

Right now Sony isnt exactly the most popular kid on the block and AotS being so up to date and cool and hip, or atleast trying to be...is not going to say go go Sony. G4 as a whole takes this view, they try to mirror what the kids think, they are not cool enough yet to be MTV where they instead set the trends on what kids think.
 
[quote name='Setzer']Yup, AOTS is Anti-Sony.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I don't know that it's anti-anything, except for good television.

[quote name='furyk'](yes, I spent 8 hours waiting for a 360 only to have my car's engine explode on the way home)[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

As for the rest of your post, I don't really think of you in the category of fools that I see far too often asserting the inherent superiority or inferiority of New Console X, Y or Z, simply because you tend to write posts grounded in reason. 'cept for, perhaps, that launch Dreamcast. ;)
 
Surprise or not, the fact is the PS3 sales are lagging. Sony can talk about how many they've shipped and are sitting on store shelves until we're yawning, but the majority experience is that interest is very low in the system right now.

Will that change? With 3rd party exclusives being less and less common and Sony's first party software lineup never having been exactly stellar, I'd say no. The 360 is going to take America this generation, Wii will take Japan, and The PS3 will lag behind in both territories.

There's no way the mass market is going to buy a $600 PS3 (or even a $400 one) like they bought $120-200 PS2s last generation so their kids can play spongebob and racing games. Once the 360 drops in price, they will have the mass market.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Surprise or not, the fact is the PS3 sales are lagging. Sony can talk about how many they've shipped and are sitting on store shelves until we're yawning, but the majority experience is that interest is very low in the system right now.

Will that change? With 3rd party exclusives being less and less common and Sony's first party software lineup never having been exactly stellar, I'd say no. The 360 is going to take America this generation, Wii will take Japan, and The PS3 will lag behind in both territories.

There's no way the mass market is going to buy a $600 PS3 (or even a $400 one) like they bought $120-200 PS2s last generation so their kids can play spongebob and racing games. Once the 360 drops in price, they will have the mass market.[/QUOTE]

First off I dont understand why people are so down on Sonys owned/made games. While they are not Nintendo they are deffintly not bad. Sonys got enough IP that any gamer is going to want a PS3 eventually, maybe not when its $600 but after it drops to $400 or around there and we see J&D, R&C, Parappa, Killzone, God of War, Dark Cloud, Twisted Metal, Amplitude/Frequency, Everquest(my guess is they port EQ2 eventually to help its lagging sales as well as PS3s)and all the others any gamer is going to want one. Sony is not Nintendo, but they have enough IP to sell a system.

Second your wrong on the mass market. Sony is still the brand name leader and every expert in the field of video games expects them to remain on top this gen. There is a chance they can loose it, but right now as iv said before, even if Sony has dropped the ball that ball is still resting in their court.
 
[quote name='Puffa469']riiiiight. Thats why they had hours of special launch day programming when the ps3 came out. :roll:[/quote]

I was being sarcastic.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']First off I dont understand why people are so down on Sonys owned/made games. While they are not Nintendo they are deffintly not bad. Sonys got enough IP that any gamer is going to want a PS3 eventually, maybe not when its $600 but after it drops to $400 or around there and we see J&D, R&C, Parappa, Killzone, God of War, Dark Cloud, Twisted Metal, Amplitude/Frequency, Everquest(my guess is they port EQ2 eventually to help its lagging sales as well as PS3s)and all the others any gamer is going to want one. Sony is not Nintendo, but they have enough IP to sell a system.[/QUOTE]
True, and don't forget Ico/SOTC. Sony actually beats MS in first/second party titles. But as others have said, I think the $500/600 price tage is what's keeping these things on store shelves. I will very likely buy one when they drop to $400 or less.
 
[quote name='Setzer']I was being sarcastic.[/quote]

Doh! The batteries in my sarcasm detector must be dying. My humblest apologies to you then good sir! :)


I dont get all the AOTS hate tho. Kevin Pererra is funny, and Olivia Munn is hot. Zack Selwyn is funny too. I like all the other regular memebers of the show too, like Will Oneil, and Blair Butler, etc...
 
[quote name='Puffa469']Doh! The batteries in my sarcasm detector must be dying. My humblest apologies to you then good sir! :)


I dont get all the AOTS hate tho. Kevin Pererra is funny, and Olivia Munn is hot. Zack Selwyn is funny too. I like all the other regular memebers of the show too, like Will Oneil, and Blair Butler, etc...[/QUOTE]

It's because a number of people are elitest assholes who are too good to realize their own shit stinks. Honestly there are a few people at this site that really do walk around like their infalable and their shit doesnt stink and the stuff they like is clearly the best. Theres nothing wrong with AotS, it gives game news, it lets game experts debate, jokes arnt half bad. Dont get me wrong it has its stupid moments and segments like pretty much all the stuff relating to picking random people off the internet to win girl/person/video etc of the week. Some of that stuff makes me embarrased to watch the show. But thats a small part of it.

Cock on top is also one of the best phrases ever.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Is it really that surprising at the price points? Because when you think about it, that's what it comes down to. Reverse the roles and you have the exact opposite.

I like the idea of the Wii's control system because of the price. I don't like the PS3 (even though I like the games) because of the price. Once Sony puts a price drop into effect, they'll see the sales they want.[/quote]


The end.

I wont touch it for $500, and I passed on it now several times and got a 360 for $360 instead. Dont regret it either. Maybe when there is a $100 price drop on both systems I will consider PS3.
 
In the mall near me, the Gamestop has a stack of (empty) PS3 boxes outside the door, with a sign made of notebook paper and sharpie that reads "We have PS3 in stock!".

The lined notebook paper with the frilly things still on it made my day.
 
Well, let's see what happens here in a couple weeks, Best Buy is supposed to have a Wii re-re-release on a sunday, or so someone mentioned. I wonder if campers will come?

Also, I think a lot of people are going to spend their tax return on PS3.

My thing is, if there was Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, or something along those lines, then I would want one. But as is, having a Wii, DSlite, and Xbox 360 is more than enough. I just had the 360 for sports games, as I spend over $250 a year on roster updates. Now getting the Wii and playing the DS more and more I am back to wanting to play adventure and RPG games.
 
[quote name='Puffa469']I dont get all the AOTS hate tho. Kevin Pererra is funny, and Olivia Munn is hot. Zack Selwyn is funny too. I like all the other regular memebers of the show too, like Will Oneil, and Blair Butler, etc...[/QUOTE]

I think it's the bogus "hip" approach that they bring to the table. I don't like being typecast as that kind of gamer. I watch CNN, C-Span, Bloomberg TV, and listen to NPR (yes, I know, all very droll tv), so I don't care for the marketing angle of G4TV. I think it's phony, I think it's condescending, and it is devoid of genuine content (as evidenced by the amount of time genuinely wasted on each program with faux-witty banter unrelated to the game industry, or anything topical for that matter).

Dear fucking Christ, it makes me wish for a "Leonard Maltin" kind of character to review games.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Why do people even care?

Just enjoy whatever system you have.[/QUOTE]

It's like people and football. It's just a fucking game, but when the buckeyes lost to the gators a guy down the hall closed his door and started weeping. No joke.
 
Its all about price... the system isn't bad. The price is. People are NOT used to paying so much for a game system. They'll pay a lot for stuff that they know costs a lot like a nice TV, car, etc.... but a system to most people shouldn't cost that much, therefore they don't buy it.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Why do people even care?

Just enjoy whatever system you have.[/QUOTE]

Its complicated. In essence all of us try to do that. However, what happans to the industry effects the fun we have with our systems in the future. So even though I want to just sit and do nothing but play games....I find myself caring deeply about what is happaning in the industry.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Why do people even care?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='MSI Magus']I want Nintendo to win out and sell their systems.[/QUOTE]

I'll take "Because they're idjits that don't quite grasp (1) the ramifications of hoping a company will win as if this is some sort of sporting event, nor (2) the fact that this is all a bit of psychological after-the-fact searching for the justification of their choice of console purchase" for $100, Alex.

Reality's Fringe;2563132 said:
It's like people and football. It's just a fucking game, but when the buckeyes lost to the gators a guy down the hall closed his door and started weeping. No joke.
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:lol: If it was any other school than OSU, I wouldn't have blinked an eye. But, having OSU to the north of me and the University of Kentucky to the south of me, I find, more often than not, that I delight in their failure.
 
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