"No one wants a PS3 anymore. We are asked about the Wii every 5 minutes though."

[quote name='millrat1030']Is the Wii even being shipped anymore? I talked to a salesman at BB this weekend, and he said they haven't got any shipments since before Christmas. The guy at EB said pretty much the same thing. They both did say they usually don't know what's coming in until they get it, so they couldn't even tell me when they might have one. And yes they both had plenty of 360s and PS3s. Why do they put those big walls of 360s right in front of the store? Almost seems dangerous.[/QUOTE]


Actually, yeah they've stopped shipment of the Wii. Nintendo plans on making it a collector's item and made it in limited quantities.
 
[quote name='millrat1030']Is the Wii even being shipped anymore? I talked to a salesman at BB this weekend, and he said they haven't got any shipments since before Christmas. The guy at EB said pretty much the same thing. They both did say they usually don't know what's coming in until they get it, so they couldn't even tell me when they might have one. And yes they both had plenty of 360s and PS3s. Why do they put those big walls of 360s right in front of the store? Almost seems dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Best Buy is hoarding them for the 21st apparently. Don't know about EB though.
 
here is my perspective as a younger parent:

most parents of the 12-20somethings,most parents in there 40's and up usually arent as tech savvy as the younger crowd , so they look at the ps3 and see a 600 dollar video game machine,where as the competition is at least a few hundred dollars cheaper , also the 360 has a game packed in as does the wii, on a normal parents budget for the holidays or a birthday they will splurge on one major gift,unfortunatley 500 and 600 dollars respectiveley is just crossing the "splurge" point and more into an investment that will take more than one payment on the credit card to afford.Now as a game lover , i see the ps3 as a machine with tons of potential,has blu ray yatta yatta yatta, but to look at the price tag is a killer , not to mention when u find a sales rep in a store that will see these parents faces and say something along the lines of "we have a xbox 360 which looks just as good and is a few hundred cheaper" , i would love to get a ps3 but at that price point its beyond an impulse buy and now an investment,hardcore sony fans have bought or said i'll wait for "better games" aka price point to come down knowing full well good to great games are close to a year away
 
[quote name='wrxguy05']here is my perspective as a younger parent:

most parents of the 12-20somethings,most parents in there 40's and up usually arent as tech savvy as the younger crowd , so they look at the ps3 and see a 600 dollar video game machine,where as the competition is at least a few hundred dollars cheaper , also the 360 has a game packed in as does the wii, on a normal parents budget for the holidays or a birthday they will splurge on one major gift,unfortunatley 500 and 600 dollars respectiveley is just crossing the "splurge" point and more into an investment that will take more than one payment on the credit card to afford.Now as a game lover , i see the ps3 as a machine with tons of potential,has blu ray yatta yatta yatta, but to look at the price tag is a killer , not to mention when u find a sales rep in a store that will see these parents faces and say something along the lines of "we have a xbox 360 which looks just as good and is a few hundred cheaper" , i would love to get a ps3 but at that price point its beyond an impulse buy and now an investment,hardcore sony fans have bought or said i'll wait for "better games" aka price point to come down knowing full well good to great games are close to a year away[/QUOTE]

I can't argue with that kind of logic from the vantage point of a parent wanting to buy a console for their child(ren).

OTOH, market studies show that people who were the first generation to grow up with games are not giving them up as they age in the same way that adults typically give up buying toys, playing hide and seek, and activities of that nature. I think that the market trends are showing games to be a new form of media more like movies, music and television, and less like toys.

Without question, the price of the PS3 is far more than most parents would pay for something to be used almost exclusively by their children. As an adult, however, looking for a console for themselves, it's a different scenario. It's still quite expensive, but not as unreasonable as if you're looking for something for a child.
 
every target and walmart i have been in have the system area of the games stocked with PS3's. One target actually had PS3's in the Wii section. I just bought a 360 (with a free NBA 2K7, awesome system btw) and when I was paying, someone else actually shuffled the systems and put another PS3 out in the case.
If anything i think i helped sony get another system on the shelf. if they were hopeing to launch blu-ray with the PS3, they arent doing that good of a job.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']:rofl: Seriously though, someone at that Best Buy is definetly trying to be a smartass. They never put that much stock of anything (especially video games) out on the floor.[/QUOTE]

My local Best Buy had 56 PS3s when I was there last week. Nine of them were with the PS3 games and accessories. The other 47 were in a stack in the aisle. It may just be that they don't have room to store all of those in the back.
 
I was just at a local Best Buy getting Wario Ware and this and that (one of the eighteen that had the PS3 Midnight Launch, by the way), and they had a modest stack of roughly 10-15 60GB PS3s on the floor, a couple paces away from a slightly bigger pile of Premium 360s. I have no reason to lie.

Anyone who wants to continue to embarrass themselves and forfeit all credibility (a la Shane Bettenhausen) and claim that they're selling well is someone I might as well add to my "Ignore List", just on the count of being insane and delusional. This never happened with the PS2, 360, or--obviously still ongoing--the Wii. Probably not even the original Xbox or GC this soon. People just are not that interested. The games so far bite hard. It's going to take a lot for Sony to get back into the race, including multiple price cuts probably on an accelerated schedule. But if (the generalized) you haven't faced the music yet, no reason to think you will now.
 
Ok, I'll hit the dead horse one more time.

It's too expensive.

There's no games worth investing in the console for right now.

I'm not saying the PS3 is going fail by any means, but this is certainly a way to start.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']I was just at a local Best Buy getting Wario Ware and this and that (one of the eighteen that had the PS3 Midnight Launch, by the way), and they had a modest stack of roughly 10-15 60GB PS3s on the floor, a couple paces away from a slightly bigger pile of Premium 360s. I have no reason to lie.

Anyone who wants to continue to embarrass themselves and forfeit all credibility (a la Shane Bettenhausen) and claim that they're selling well is someone I might as well add to my "Ignore List", just on the count of being insane and delusional. This never happened with the PS2, 360, or--obviously still ongoing--the Wii. Probably not even the original Xbox or GC this soon. People just are not that interested. The games so far bite hard. It's going to take a lot for Sony to get back into the race, including multiple price cuts probably on an accelerated schedule. But if (the generalized) you haven't faced the music yet, no reason to think you will now.[/QUOTE]

It's not even the games sucking as much as you can play the same games (or similar) on a 360 for $200 (yes, it's $200, the mainstream public views a PS3 as $600 even though the $500 package is a perfectly valid system unlike the $300 360) less. Resistance is comperable to Gears of War and let's face it, until VF 5 and Motorstorm, the PS3 doesn't have any quality exclusive experiences (VF 5 is a PS3 exclusive for six months or so guyz).
 
It's not just perception, or at least that's my perception (or something). It's that the 20GB version is pretty hard to find, so it effectively is a $200 difference right now, whether they like it or not. Also, no PS3 games have "Mad World" in their commercials.
 
Same situation here in central texas!!! PS3's everywhere , but the wii is out of stock , imagine that!!! I dont see very many 360's now either , the only place ive seen them at is best buy. For new years weekend I was at a buddies house , drinking , playing some games , flirting with the ladies!!!!! But we had all 3 next-gen systems , fired up the ps3 and played for about 15-30mins . . . . yea it was not that great!!! Next we fired up the wii . . . . and lets just say after all the beer was gone , a couple hours later I was a little sober and still playing the wii!!!! Took a break to grub down on something and then passed out from exhaustion!!!!

i like fried chicken . . . . . . . YAY!!!!
 
Supporting Anecdotal Evidence: A locally owned game shop in town has sold exactly 1 PS3 and 24 Wiis since launch. The ratio of calls asking for each console has been about that as well. They got 3 calls asking for Wiis just when I was there.
 
I just thought of something that is probably irrelevant, but I just noticed that Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii all rhyme in regards to the ending "E" sound. Is that why Nintendo changed it from Revolution to Wii?

Stoneage - Asking yesterday's questions today.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']It's not just perception, or at least that's my perception (or something). It's that the 20GB version is pretty hard to find, so it effectively is a $200 difference right now, whether they like it or not. Also, no PS3 games have "Mad World" in their commercials.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen a 20 GB PS3 in a while.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']I was just at a local Best Buy getting Wario Ware and this and that (one of the eighteen that had the PS3 Midnight Launch, by the way), and they had a modest stack of roughly 10-15 60GB PS3s on the floor, a couple paces away from a slightly bigger pile of Premium 360s. I have no reason to lie.

Anyone who wants to continue to embarrass themselves and forfeit all credibility (a la Shane Bettenhausen) and claim that they're selling well is someone I might as well add to my "Ignore List", just on the count of being insane and delusional. This never happened with the PS2, 360, or--obviously still ongoing--the Wii. Probably not even the original Xbox or GC this soon. People just are not that interested. The games so far bite hard. It's going to take a lot for Sony to get back into the race, including multiple price cuts probably on an accelerated schedule. But if (the generalized) you haven't faced the music yet, no reason to think you will now.[/quote]
You ignore the fact that the PS3 is selling better than the PS2 and Xbox 360 two months into their lives. The reason for the extra stock is the increase in shipments and the fact that it's after the holiday season, so demand is going to be lower and it'll sell less than it did last month. Everyone's making too big of a deal about this like it's some new phenomenon that demand goes down after the holiday season.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']You ignore the fact that the PS3 is selling better than the PS2 and Xbox 360 two months into their lives. The reason for the extra stock is the increase in shipments and the fact that it's after the holiday season, so demand is going to be lower and it'll sell less than it did last month. Everyone's making too big of a deal about this like it's some new phenomenon that demand goes down after the holiday season.[/quote]The thing that surprises me is that I agreed with whatever jackass Sony exec it was that said they could sell 5 million PS3s even if there were no games available for the system. But that is obviously no longer the case.

And to the discussion a few posts previous, unless Sony increases the ratio of 20GB systems from the launch estimates of 20%, the effective price difference between the 360 and PS3 is $200.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Everyone's making too big of a deal about this like it's some new phenomenon that demand goes down after the holiday season.[/quote]

So why is Wii demand at an all time high then? It's after the holiday season. Why are there so many people who cannot find the system, yet we have multiple threads on people who can find a PS3 without any problems?
 
[quote name='botticus']The thing that surprises me is that I agreed with whatever jackass Sony exec it was that said they could sell 5 million PS3s even if there were no games available for the system. But that is obviously no longer the case.

And to the discussion a few posts previous, unless Sony increases the ratio of 20GB systems from the launch estimates of 20%, the effective price difference between the 360 and PS3 is $200.[/quote]
It might have gotten to that point if it was still in short supply. It's just not going to fly off the shelves if there's plenty to go around and people aren't forced to buy them on sight because they might not have another chance to get one.

Wiis are selling out because the supply shipments are far and few between, so people are going out of their way to try to get one. I'm glad I got one at launch because it's not worth the trouble, to me, that some people are going through for one.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']You ignore the fact that the PS3 is selling better than the PS2 and Xbox 360 two months into their lives. The reason for the extra stock is the increase in shipments and the fact that it's after the holiday season, so demand is going to be lower and it'll sell less than it did last month. Everyone's making too big of a deal about this like it's some new phenomenon that demand goes down after the holiday season.[/quote]The issue, I think, that unlike most systems, the franticness was a result of wanting the system to play. It seems like with the PS3 we skipped the cause and went straight to the effect. The glut of systems so early was easily due to the returns of people hoping to be able to trade a PS3 for a Lexus or something come Christmas time. The January sales numbers ought to be interesting, when up against the 360 and Wii numbers.

I just worry that Sony is going to shovelware games onto the system to try to get people to buy it at its higher price, which will only hurt them more as they'll have games on the system, but totally half-assed games.
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']So why is Wii demand at an all time high then? It's after the holiday season. Why are there so many people who cannot find the system, yet we have multiple threads on people who can find a PS3 without any problems?[/QUOTE]

Exactly, the demand for Wii is nearly as high as at launch, maybe higher. The price, lack of good software, and negative press are causing lowered PS3 sales. There's no way to sugarcoat it, no way to hide it, the PS3 just isn't in demand, right now.

Does that mean it's over? nope. It does mean Sony should get its act together, clean up its image as the overpriced, unwanted console, and get some good software out there, and by that I mean more than the bare bones motorstorm and blu ray movies. Nobody is going to buy a PS3 for motorstorm, well maybe a few people will, and then will be dissapointed that it has less content than most last gen racers had, not to mention it feels slow as molasses compared to games like burnout, excite truck, PGR3, and even Gran Turismo.

Wii and 360 have a further opportunity to pull away and develop a stronger userbase lead over Sony before their "good" titles hit. That's what this botched (and yes, it was a dissapointment on nearly every level) launch means.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']You ignore the fact that the PS3 is selling better than the PS2 and Xbox 360 two months into their lives.[/quote]
The difference is that two months into their respective lives, the PS2 and 360 were selling out immediately. It took a good 6 months to find 360s readily available on shelves, even longer for PS2s. Had there been a larger supply, they would have sold more.

The PS3 supply seems to be meeting/exceeding the demand, which might explain why it sold more. The 360/PS2 launch windows were pretty similar, the PS3 situation is much different than either.
 
You ignore the fact that the PS3 is selling better than the PS2 and Xbox 360 two months into their lives. The reason for the extra stock is the increase in shipments and the fact that it's after the holiday season, so demand is going to be lower and it'll sell less than it did last month. Everyone's making too big of a deal about this like it's some new phenomenon that demand goes down after the holiday season.

But it is! The PS2 and 360 were not even close to being easily available online or in-store until at least mid-March of 2001 and 2006, respectively. The Wii probably won't be any different, and could be even a tougher ticket (based on relative affordability and trendiness). No, deluge of systems or not, there's no spinning the PS3 in the second week of January (!!!) just going unloved in retail stores for days on end.

It is mostly the price, I believe, but it's not just an issue of not being able to or wanting to pay the $600 (as we've established the 20GB version is a tough ticket still), but the need to pay it.

And however the cycle of eBay hoarding and people paying top dollar was broken, the bottom line is that that faction hasn't been part of the equation for weeks now. To be fair, if they could still make even $300-$400 on a console (or even half that!), they'd still be buying them to peddle online, and the shortage would continue. But it didn't, and here we are.
 
I think this is great Sony is doing bad. Not because I want them out but because it will force them to change and haul ass and make the system and whatever better. I for one am sick of all the Wii talk. Sony needs to be backed into the corner even more, it will be better for gamers. It's crazy. Sony went from destroying with the PS2 to the PS3. They will turn around though.
 
I bought my 360 in March and at that point they were still very hard to find.

in fact they were still keeping them behind the counter!

I will get a PS3 when it's cheaper, but anyone who says the PS3 is selling well is not living in reality.

Stores are practically begging people to buy PS3's
 
All this talk of the PS3 not selling, but the 20GB being a tough find, makes me wonder if there's a more nuanced story than "OMFG TEH PS3 IS TEH FAILUREZZ." It seems, in short, contradictory.

In other words, that the public *is* balking at the $600 tag of the 60GB PS3, but that they are buying what stock is available of the 20GB system. Perhaps the consumers are more savvy than I'd give them credit for, and recognize that the 60GB system is just unneeded bells and whistles, and the 20GB system can do precisely the same damn thing for $100 less. I can't help but think that memory card readers mean fuck-all to the public (I'm a bit reluctant to say that about wifi, but I'd probably say that too).

So, the more nuanced position would be that (1) people are buying the PS3 and showing significant interest in it, but (2) they are only interested in the 20GB version. This might jibe with conventional wisdom, as even demontooth's massive pile o' PS3s shows nary a 20GB system. I've seen a few in stores here and there, and they've always been the 60GB version.

Makes me wonder if Sony should do a 180-degree turnaround in the ratio of 20GB:60GB manufactured (I've read that 80% of the output are 60GB, and 20% the 20GB). Of course, this assumes that people are buying the 20GB and turning their nose up at the 60GB (and ignoring, say, if there would be significant stock of 20GB sitting on store shelves if more were manufactured).
 
[quote name='evilmax17']The difference is that two months into their respective lives, the PS2 and 360 were selling out immediately. It took a good 6 months to find 360s readily available on shelves, even longer for PS2s. Had there been a larger supply, they would have sold more.

The PS3 supply seems to be meeting/exceeding the demand, which might explain why it sold more. The 360/PS2 launch windows were pretty similar, the PS3 situation is much different than either.[/quote]
Until about the last week of December after Christmas, it was really hard to find. One difference is that the PS2 and 360 were pretty much the only option when they came out, the PS3 isn't, so the opportunity wasn't really there to begin with. The eBayers did hurt sales somewhat by taking away units that could've sold to people who would have probably kept the system. The fact that it's selling better despite there being other, cheaper options, is an interesting thing to note.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Until about the last week of December after Christmas, it was really hard to find. One difference is that the PS2 and 360 were pretty much the only option when they came out, the PS3 isn't, so the opportunity wasn't really there to begin with. The eBayers did hurt sales somewhat by taking away units that could've sold to people who would have probably kept the system. The fact that it's selling better despite there being other, cheaper options, is an interesting thing to note.[/QUOTE]

We are almost 3 weeks into the new month. Stores and costumers are both reporting that they have been easy to find since immediatly after Christmas because of returns and lack of intreast. This means for 4 weeks, almost a full month not just a week as your putting it the PS3 has been easy to find.

And no it isnt intreasting to note that its selling despite cheaper options....because its not. Look at ebay records...those PS3s were not selling.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']The fact that it's selling better despite there being other, cheaper options, is an interesting thing to note.[/quote]

In a horse race, you will always have that one single dominant horse that everyone bets on because of its stats and win ratio. PS3 is like that prized horse that everyone talks about. But the winnings return isn't that great when betting on the one horse everyone knows will most likely win and it doesn't always cross the finish line first. It just so happens that in our case, this horse is being bet high on but won't be finishing first...maybe not even second. You see cheaper options? I see high winnings returns from betting on the underdogs.
 
I think Myke might be on to something. I have had two people come and ask me for 20gig PS3s at work and pass since all that was instock was the 60gig, even though I don't work in the media department. Although one of the two was wanting it just as a blu ray player since I work in home theater.
 
I have PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360. I am giving my sister since she wants it so badly and doesn't wanna get one on eBay because they are still selling for around $400. The Xbox 360, I play it a lot because the games. The PS3's games suck right now, it's like the Xbox 360's launch, off to a slow start. I just use it as a Blu-ray player for now and for Resistance Online.

Blu-ray's are amazing, though, in the past 3 weeks I spent like around $450 on BD movies along because they look and sound so great!
 
[quote name='Pootie Thang'].

Blu-ray's are amazing, though, in the past 3 weeks I spent like around $450 on BD movies along because they look and sound so great![/QUOTE]

I hear ya. Its hard for me to go back to DVDs now, and don't see myself buying anything but HD movies either on blu ray or HDDVD.
 
[quote name='Pootie Thang']
Blu-ray's are amazing, though, in the past 3 weeks I spent like around $450 on BD movies along because they look and sound so great![/quote]Pootie Thang, single-handedly recouping Sony's PS3 launch costs. :D
 
I'm not neccessarily technically savy, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

But, reading this, I'm wondering. If the 20GB systems are selling, but the 60 GB aren't as well, could this be caused by people looking for cheap Blue Ray players, without any interest in the system? Would people wanting a Blue Ray player only want the extra features of the $600 system.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']We are almost 3 weeks into the new month. Stores and costumers are both reporting that they have been easy to find since immediatly after Christmas because of returns and lack of intreast. This means for 4 weeks, almost a full month not just a week as your putting it the PS3 has been easy to find.

And no it isnt intreasting to note that its selling despite cheaper options....because its not. Look at ebay records...those PS3s were not selling.[/quote]
Where did I say it's only been easy to find for a week? I said until the last week of December were they hard to find, which was about three weeks ago, not a month.

Where was I talking about PS3's selling well on eBay? I'm refering to retail stores, not eBay. Please read a little more closely next time.

[quote name='nintendokid']In a horse race, you will always have that one single dominant horse that everyone bets on because of its stats and win ratio. PS3 is like that prized horse that everyone talks about. But the winnings return isn't that great when betting on the one horse everyone knows will most likely win and it doesn't always cross the finish line first. It just so happens that in our case, this horse is being bet high on but won't be finishing first...maybe not even second. You see cheaper options? I see high winnings returns from betting on the underdogs.[/quote]
I don't follow horse racing and the gambling around it, so I have no idea what you just wrote.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I don't follow horse racing and the gambling around it, so I have no idea what you just wrote.[/quote]

To put it in simpler terms, I believe that he is saying that the PS3 is like the operation of the Ferranti Bloodhound Inertial Guidance System. To wit:

The PS3 knows where it is at all times. It knows this
because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from
where it isn't (Or where it isn't from where it is, depending on
which is the greater) it obtains a difference or deviation. The
inertial guidance system use deviations to generate corrective
commands to drive the PS3 from the position where it is to the
position where it isn't. The PS3 arrives at the position
where it wasn't, consequently the position where it was is now the
position where it isn't. In the event that the position where it
is now is not the same as the position where it originally wasn't
the system has acquired a variation, (variations are caused by
external factors and the discussion of these factors is not
considered to be within the scope of this report) the variation
being the difference between where the PS3 is and where the
PS3 wasn't. If the variation is considered to be a
significant factor it too may be corrected by the inertial
guidance system. Moreover, the PS3 must now know where it
was also. The "Thought Process" of the PS3 is as follows:
Because a variation has modified some of the information which the
PS3 had obtained, it is not sure where it is. However, it is
sure where it isn't and it knows where it was. It now subtracts
where it should be from where it wasn't (or vice versa) and by
differentiating this from the algebraic difference between where
it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the
difference between it's deviation and it's variation, this
difference being called the Error.
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[quote name='lordxixor101']I'm not neccessarily technically savy, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

But, reading this, I'm wondering. If the 20GB systems are selling, but the 60 GB aren't as well, could this be caused by people looking for cheap Blue Ray players, without any interest in the system? Would people wanting a Blue Ray player only want the extra features of the $600 system.[/QUOTE]

After rodeojones's post I was thinking the same thing. It's wierd, I've been following this so closely yet I never thought of that issue. Of course someone just looking for a BR player will only want the $500 one - that's a damn cheap BR player.

If the PS3 had an upscaler, I probably would have gotten the 60GB model myself. While I understand it isn't the same difference as the core/premium 360, I still think the 60GB is essential for most gamers. For me, the Wifi and slightly bigger hard drive justify the price difference (the card readers are nice, but I wouldn't put more than a $5 value on those). I mean, say the Wifi is worth about $60, and it is definitely worth $35 or so to me not to have to fuss with the hard drive any time soon (I could see filling 20GB soon but not 60GB).

I think BOTH are a bit expensive as gaming machines only. I'd take advantage of the BR, too, and I might, eventually, get one as such. I'm certainly not interested in it for the launch games or even any that I see on the release schedule for this year. Now with how poorly they appear to be doing I can hold out for a price cut or at least cheap bundle-type thing (and a vain hope they will revise it and add an upscaler chip).
 
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