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Betting on the wrong horse has that potential drawback.
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In the end it was still probably worth it for them to win the HD movie format war with the money they'll make from Blu Ray licensing.
Honestly, if they're smart they should just partner up with MS next gen and let MS take the hit on losing money on hardware while they make money on their first party games. It's silly to have to HD consoles this gen since there are so few third party exclusives anymore.
It will never happen, but it would be great to get the sony and MS exclusives on one console in the future.
Honestly, if they're smart they should just partner up with MS next gen and let MS take the hit on losing money on hardware while they make money on their first party games. It's silly to have to HD consoles this gen since there are so few third party exclusives anymore.
It will never happen, but it would be great to get the sony and MS exclusives on one console in the future.
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The PSP looks like the best strategy for Sony to emulate with the PS3 going forward.
They've been very stubborn about dropping the price on the PSP. They've updated the hardware and done lots of bundles. They'll never catch the DS, but they've been able to get profitable and have a decent library.
Was it worth it for Sony to trade success in the game console business for success in the media format war? Perhaps. But was it worth it to gamers for them to have made that decision?
They've been very stubborn about dropping the price on the PSP. They've updated the hardware and done lots of bundles. They'll never catch the DS, but they've been able to get profitable and have a decent library.
Was it worth it for Sony to trade success in the game console business for success in the media format war? Perhaps. But was it worth it to gamers for them to have made that decision?
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart'] But was it worth it to gamers for them to have made that decision?[/QUOTE]
I couldn't care less. The 360 is the most fun I've had with a game console since the SNES so it's had no negative impact on me.
And I'm glad the HD format war was over relatively quick as I didn't want to jump in until there was only one.
I couldn't care less. The 360 is the most fun I've had with a game console since the SNES so it's had no negative impact on me.
And I'm glad the HD format war was over relatively quick as I didn't want to jump in until there was only one.
[quote name='dallow']You really consider it a game?
It's a controller combo that comes with the game.
That's the reason why it sells like crazy.
Why buy the remote and nunchuck seperately when you can get both and a mini-game for 10 bucks more? Easy sale at every store.
Ever parent I tell this to buys it instantly.
The "game" itself is extremely shallow. More so than most "mini-game" fests on Wii.[/QUOTE]
If I had known how bad it was, I wouldn't have spent the extra $10 on it. I played it once. Yeah it was only $10, but that can buy 2 good games on clearance.
It's a controller combo that comes with the game.
That's the reason why it sells like crazy.
Why buy the remote and nunchuck seperately when you can get both and a mini-game for 10 bucks more? Easy sale at every store.
Ever parent I tell this to buys it instantly.
The "game" itself is extremely shallow. More so than most "mini-game" fests on Wii.[/QUOTE]
If I had known how bad it was, I wouldn't have spent the extra $10 on it. I played it once. Yeah it was only $10, but that can buy 2 good games on clearance.
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Was it worth it for Sony to trade success in the game console business for success in the media format war? Perhaps. But was it worth it to gamers for them to have made that decision?[/quote]Ha, you say that like Sony owes us.
[quote name='YoshiFan1']If I had known how bad it was, I wouldn't have spent the extra $10 on it. I played it once. Yeah it was only $10, but that can buy 2 good games on clearance.[/quote]
I know man.
I know.
[quote name='YoshiFan1']If I had known how bad it was, I wouldn't have spent the extra $10 on it. I played it once. Yeah it was only $10, but that can buy 2 good games on clearance.[/quote]
I know man.
I know.
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Thats not quite the tone I meant to convey. Consider Thomas' concern that fewer people are going to play LBP or other great PS3 games because of how Sony is handling the hardware.
If they had gone with regular DVD and therefore a cheaper system, more people would experience those games, which is a plus for gamers.
If they had gone with regular DVD and therefore a cheaper system, more people would experience those games, which is a plus for gamers.
It doesn't seem like the hardware is to blame for LBP. They've got a large enough userbase to host a mega hit, but PS3 owners don't buy games like Wii and 360 owners do for whatever reason. Resistance 2 apparently didn't do so hot either.
More so, why should LBP do better? People talk about level creation all the time, but not so much about the gameplay. It's a risky title...maybe deep level creation isn't meant to be a hit with a large audience?
More so, why should LBP do better? People talk about level creation all the time, but not so much about the gameplay. It's a risky title...maybe deep level creation isn't meant to be a hit with a large audience?
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Should it do better? Thats above my pay grade. My main message is that marketshare matters when choosing a platform to develop for. It has a chance to do better, whether it should or not.
Of course you cant ignore demographics either.
Of course you cant ignore demographics either.
it is impossible to tell, but i'd be willing to bet it wouldn't do much better on the 360, especially if released at the same time.
I think the release date is completely wrong, and this goes for Dead Space and Mirror's Edge as well. Releasing your new, experimental, high budget title in the same period as CoD5, GoW2, Fable 2, etc. is not going to land it the exposure it needs. The game can get the same critical acclaim, but receive a hell of a lot more attention if released in some other random month. There are enough gamers out there to support a game at any time during the year. They should look to Bioshock--amazing demo came out, press went mad with high ratings, and it had a lot of empty press space to fill and bored gamers to entertain in the desolate month of August.
I think the release date is completely wrong, and this goes for Dead Space and Mirror's Edge as well. Releasing your new, experimental, high budget title in the same period as CoD5, GoW2, Fable 2, etc. is not going to land it the exposure it needs. The game can get the same critical acclaim, but receive a hell of a lot more attention if released in some other random month. There are enough gamers out there to support a game at any time during the year. They should look to Bioshock--amazing demo came out, press went mad with high ratings, and it had a lot of empty press space to fill and bored gamers to entertain in the desolate month of August.
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More so, why should LBP do better? People talk about level creation all the time, but not so much about the gameplay. It's a risky title...maybe deep level creation isn't meant to be a hit with a large audience?[/QUOTE]
I think that's a big part of it. I don't have a PS3, so it's moot for me, but I really have no interest in a game like LBP.
I don't have a creative bone in my body and have no interst to spend time working on creating levels etc. I seldom even use character creation features. I like to just sit back and play a game.
More so, why should LBP do better? People talk about level creation all the time, but not so much about the gameplay. It's a risky title...maybe deep level creation isn't meant to be a hit with a large audience?[/QUOTE]
I think that's a big part of it. I don't have a PS3, so it's moot for me, but I really have no interest in a game like LBP.
I don't have a creative bone in my body and have no interst to spend time working on creating levels etc. I seldom even use character creation features. I like to just sit back and play a game.
There's no doubt LBP would have sold more on the 360. Double the userbase.
[quote name='dmaul1114']I think that's a big part of it. I don't have a PS3, so it's moot for me, but I really have no interest in a game like LBP.
I don't have a creative bone in my body and have no interst to spend time working on creating levels etc. I seldom even use character creation features. I like to just sit back and play a game.[/quote]
Well in addition to the 50 fully fleshed out developer levels, there's hundreds (if not thousands by now) of levels online to play.
I've poured a ton of hours into the game by myself and with friends and haven't created a single level.
[quote name='dmaul1114']I think that's a big part of it. I don't have a PS3, so it's moot for me, but I really have no interest in a game like LBP.
I don't have a creative bone in my body and have no interst to spend time working on creating levels etc. I seldom even use character creation features. I like to just sit back and play a game.[/quote]
Well in addition to the 50 fully fleshed out developer levels, there's hundreds (if not thousands by now) of levels online to play.
I've poured a ton of hours into the game by myself and with friends and haven't created a single level.
Yeah, the other part I'd add is I don't have much interest in playing stand alone user-created levels.
I need a cohesive game with some semblence of a story and a series of well designed levels getting progressively harder. I don't really have the interest or attention span to play a bunch of random standalone levels.
Yeah, there's the main game, but from a gameplay standpoint it seems to be a very rudimentary 2D platformer compared to say SMB3 or SMW with all the power ups and what not that LBP doesn't have (unless I've just been misinformed there).
I need a cohesive game with some semblence of a story and a series of well designed levels getting progressively harder. I don't really have the interest or attention span to play a bunch of random standalone levels.
Yeah, there's the main game, but from a gameplay standpoint it seems to be a very rudimentary 2D platformer compared to say SMB3 or SMW with all the power ups and what not that LBP doesn't have (unless I've just been misinformed there).
[quote name='ninja dog']I think the release date is completely wrong, and this goes for Dead Space and Mirror's Edge as well. Releasing your new, experimental, high budget title in the same period as CoD5, GoW2, Fable 2, etc. is not going to land it the exposure it needs. The game can get the same critical acclaim, but receive a hell of a lot more attention if released in some other random month. There are enough gamers out there to support a game at any time during the year. They should look to Bioshock--amazing demo came out, press went mad with high ratings, and it had a lot of empty press space to fill and bored gamers to entertain in the desolate month of August.[/quote]
Its not that simple. 25% of the industries sales occur in December. If you release before October there's a very good chance that your game won't be on shelf during that critical time period. Bioshock is a poor example because it is one of the highest rated games of all time. This year I don't think anyone expected CoD5 to sell as well as it is, so that is having a negative impact on other titles this fall.
While it is true that a game has a much higher chance to stand out earlier in the year, it is also higher risk because of the seasonal trend. As video game development is a risky proposition in and of itself, it is understandable that people would want to mitigate that risk as much as possible even if it limits the top end sales potential.
Its not that simple. 25% of the industries sales occur in December. If you release before October there's a very good chance that your game won't be on shelf during that critical time period. Bioshock is a poor example because it is one of the highest rated games of all time. This year I don't think anyone expected CoD5 to sell as well as it is, so that is having a negative impact on other titles this fall.
While it is true that a game has a much higher chance to stand out earlier in the year, it is also higher risk because of the seasonal trend. As video game development is a risky proposition in and of itself, it is understandable that people would want to mitigate that risk as much as possible even if it limits the top end sales potential.
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Damn I wish R2 would sell better. The online co-op is sooo good. 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I think that's a big part of it. I don't have a PS3, so it's moot for me, but I really have no interest in a game like LBP.
I don't have a creative bone in my body and have no interst to spend time working on creating levels etc. I seldom even use character creation features. I like to just sit back and play a game.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='dallow']There's no doubt LBP would have sold more on the 360. Double the userbase.
Well in addition to the 50 fully fleshed out developer levels, there's hundreds (if not thousands by now) of levels online to play.
I've poured a ton of hours into the game by myself and with friends and haven't created a single level.[/QUOTE]
Well, I was a +1 to that PS3 number in Nov... I finally bought one and LBP is the main reason even though I've never played the game or even seen videos of it. I also figured it was about time to jump to HD movies (I'm too cheap to get any sort of HD through my cable). Also, my dad just bought a PS3 (entirely for Blu-ray) and I thought it would be cool to do video chat with him (since he lives 600 miles away). So, yeah, I guess he was another +1 for Nov. FWIW, I'm sending him a PS3 Eye, a couple of $5 Kmart clearance games so he can try them out, and the Uncharted from my 160GB bundle (though I want that one back when he's done with it).
My new TV should be arriving tomorrow from Amazon and then I just have to get the PS3/Blu-Ray room set up and ready for Christmas (giving the PS3 to the kids just to give them something else to open). So all in all I'm pretty excited about it even though I'm not too into any of the current games out for it besides LBP. I might pick up Valkyrie Chronicles and Disgaea 3 eventually, though...
But then, to stab Sony in the back, I also bought yet another DS in Nov.
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As for Wii Play - I found the game pretty enjoyable, actually, for what it was. Also, I see this sucker sold EVERY time someone buys a Wii at Gamestop. They do a good job pushing it :lol:. But honestly, for the people getting it, it really does make sense. It is a fun little title and my kids really like it and go back to it every few months (more than Wii Sports actually) - it is a perfect pop in and play on Christmas morning type of game.
I don't have a creative bone in my body and have no interst to spend time working on creating levels etc. I seldom even use character creation features. I like to just sit back and play a game.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='dallow']There's no doubt LBP would have sold more on the 360. Double the userbase.
Well in addition to the 50 fully fleshed out developer levels, there's hundreds (if not thousands by now) of levels online to play.
I've poured a ton of hours into the game by myself and with friends and haven't created a single level.[/QUOTE]
Well, I was a +1 to that PS3 number in Nov... I finally bought one and LBP is the main reason even though I've never played the game or even seen videos of it. I also figured it was about time to jump to HD movies (I'm too cheap to get any sort of HD through my cable). Also, my dad just bought a PS3 (entirely for Blu-ray) and I thought it would be cool to do video chat with him (since he lives 600 miles away). So, yeah, I guess he was another +1 for Nov. FWIW, I'm sending him a PS3 Eye, a couple of $5 Kmart clearance games so he can try them out, and the Uncharted from my 160GB bundle (though I want that one back when he's done with it).
My new TV should be arriving tomorrow from Amazon and then I just have to get the PS3/Blu-Ray room set up and ready for Christmas (giving the PS3 to the kids just to give them something else to open). So all in all I'm pretty excited about it even though I'm not too into any of the current games out for it besides LBP. I might pick up Valkyrie Chronicles and Disgaea 3 eventually, though...
But then, to stab Sony in the back, I also bought yet another DS in Nov.
.As for Wii Play - I found the game pretty enjoyable, actually, for what it was. Also, I see this sucker sold EVERY time someone buys a Wii at Gamestop. They do a good job pushing it :lol:. But honestly, for the people getting it, it really does make sense. It is a fun little title and my kids really like it and go back to it every few months (more than Wii Sports actually) - it is a perfect pop in and play on Christmas morning type of game.
[quote name='io']Well, I was a +1 to that PS3 number in Nov... I finally bought one and LBP is the main reason even though I've never played the game or even seen videos of it. I also figured it was about time to jump to HD movies (I'm too cheap to get any sort of HD through my cable). Also, my dad just bought a PS3 (entirely for Blu-ray) and I thought it would be cool to do video chat with him (since he lives 600 miles away). So, yeah, I guess he was another +1 for Nov. FWIW, I'm sending him a PS3 Eye, a couple of $5 Kmart clearance games so he can try them out, and the Uncharted from my 160GB bundle (though I want that one back when he's done with it).
My new TV should be arriving tomorrow from Amazon and then I just have to get the PS3/Blu-Ray room set up and ready for Christmas (giving the PS3 to the kids just to give them something else to open). So all in all I'm pretty excited about it even though I'm not too into any of the current games out for it besides LBP. I might pick up Valkyrie Chronicles and Disgaea 3 eventually, though...
But then, to stab Sony in the back, I also bought yet another DS in Nov..
As for Wii Play - I found the game pretty enjoyable, actually, for what it was. Also, I see this sucker sold EVERY time someone buys a Wii at Gamestop. They do a good job pushing it :lol:. But honestly, for the people getting it, it really does make sense. It is a fun little title and my kids really like it and go back to it every few months (more than Wii Sports actually) - it is a perfect pop in and play on Christmas morning type of game.[/quote]
Hehe, enjoy it and your new TV.
There might be some downloadable games you might enjoy on PSN. I feel there's lots of unique experiences on there.
My new TV should be arriving tomorrow from Amazon and then I just have to get the PS3/Blu-Ray room set up and ready for Christmas (giving the PS3 to the kids just to give them something else to open). So all in all I'm pretty excited about it even though I'm not too into any of the current games out for it besides LBP. I might pick up Valkyrie Chronicles and Disgaea 3 eventually, though...
But then, to stab Sony in the back, I also bought yet another DS in Nov.
.As for Wii Play - I found the game pretty enjoyable, actually, for what it was. Also, I see this sucker sold EVERY time someone buys a Wii at Gamestop. They do a good job pushing it :lol:. But honestly, for the people getting it, it really does make sense. It is a fun little title and my kids really like it and go back to it every few months (more than Wii Sports actually) - it is a perfect pop in and play on Christmas morning type of game.[/quote]
Hehe, enjoy it and your new TV.
There might be some downloadable games you might enjoy on PSN. I feel there's lots of unique experiences on there.
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I bought my little sister a Wii for Christmas, and when it came time to pick up a second controller, I bought Wii Play instead.
Honestly, there are many games for that console that cost more than twice as much and are much, much worse.
Honestly, there are many games for that console that cost more than twice as much and are much, much worse.
I wonder if LBP came out to the Wii, we'd see the sales figures in the 1-10 spots.
I think that type of game resembles what the Wii is more than what the PS3 is going for. It's such a black vs white kinda thing.
As for the Wii's dominance.... yep fad... big ol fad... so much so that it'll last another whole year....
I would like to see more love for the PSP.... bring it down a notch in price... maybe opt for a NON movie version.. I just want to play the games.. really.
I think that type of game resembles what the Wii is more than what the PS3 is going for. It's such a black vs white kinda thing.
As for the Wii's dominance.... yep fad... big ol fad... so much so that it'll last another whole year....
I would like to see more love for the PSP.... bring it down a notch in price... maybe opt for a NON movie version.. I just want to play the games.. really.
Saw a link to this on google news...
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds...nys_ps3_a_sinking_ship_sales_plummet_sne.html
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds...nys_ps3_a_sinking_ship_sales_plummet_sne.html
Price-cuts are the only answer as I've said, and it's something they can't afford to do, and can't afford to ignore.
This though:
Yeah right on both counts.
BD player sales outdid traditional upscaling DVD players for the first time and huge amount of BD movies were moved. (not including PS3 even, just standalones, not that it would matter )
It's been growing and growing.
This though:
Yeah right on both counts.
BD player sales outdid traditional upscaling DVD players for the first time and huge amount of BD movies were moved. (not including PS3 even, just standalones, not that it would matter
)It's been growing and growing.
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People like that need to have their hands chopped off so they cant say shit anymore.
Can't see the difference between a Blu-Ray and a DVD at less then 50"???
BWAHWABWAWAHWBAWHBAWHABWAHWB.
Can't see the difference between a Blu-Ray and a DVD at less then 50"???
BWAHWABWAWAHWBAWHBAWHABWAHWB.
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[quote name='Eric Krangel']...mediocre game library...[/quote]
Wow, I can't believe cnn posted such a biased article. That guy is an idiot and his superiors are idiots too for employing him.
Wow, I can't believe cnn posted such a biased article. That guy is an idiot and his superiors are idiots too for employing him.
[quote name='dallow']P
Yeah right on both counts.
BD player sales outdid traditional upscaling DVD players for the first time and huge amount of BD movies were moved. (not including PS3 even, just standalones, not that it would matter )
It's been growing and growing.[/QUOTE]
Definitely. Well, actually, I guess I can't say much on the first as I have a 50" TV and haven't watched BR on anything smaller...but the difference is so noticeable I have to imagine it would be apparent on smaller TVs unless people are sitting super far away.
As for the sales the article they linked to for that point was from May when sales were slow, but still no excuse for writing that today. Blu ray is starting to take off now that the jack asses finally have the prices on players down to $150-200 on sell. Now if only the disc prices would get the MSRP down to $20-25 so sell prices can eventually get to $10-15 rather than $15-20 I'd start buying more Blu Rays to go with my new Sony S350.
Yeah right on both counts.
BD player sales outdid traditional upscaling DVD players for the first time and huge amount of BD movies were moved. (not including PS3 even, just standalones, not that it would matter
)It's been growing and growing.[/QUOTE]
Definitely. Well, actually, I guess I can't say much on the first as I have a 50" TV and haven't watched BR on anything smaller...but the difference is so noticeable I have to imagine it would be apparent on smaller TVs unless people are sitting super far away.
As for the sales the article they linked to for that point was from May when sales were slow, but still no excuse for writing that today. Blu ray is starting to take off now that the jack asses finally have the prices on players down to $150-200 on sell. Now if only the disc prices would get the MSRP down to $20-25 so sell prices can eventually get to $10-15 rather than $15-20 I'd start buying more Blu Rays to go with my new Sony S350.
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The Wii is managing something very, very unique. Because sales of the hardware are so continuous over a long period of time, so have software sales been (as someone mentioned, Boom Blox). This brings something unique to publishers--don't rely on all sales in the first two weeks. It's likely a good game will have legs. I wonder how this affects them from an accounting standpoint?
[quote name='Teh Nitwit']Wow, I can't believe cnn posted such a biased article. That guy is an idiot and his superiors are idiots too for employing him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I didn't like the way that he worded it. I'd agree that the PS3 is lacking in must have games (i.e. games worth paying $400 for the console to play), and I'd agree that games sales are sluggish.
But I wouldn't call the game library mediocre. It's pretty solid. Sells are just slow as Sony made the PS3 the most expensive major console in history and can't afford to drop price to compete with MS and Nintendo. I don't think sells would be much better if they had twice the games they do. They just priced it too high to have any chance of beating MS or Nintendo this generation.
Yeah, I didn't like the way that he worded it. I'd agree that the PS3 is lacking in must have games (i.e. games worth paying $400 for the console to play), and I'd agree that games sales are sluggish.
But I wouldn't call the game library mediocre. It's pretty solid. Sells are just slow as Sony made the PS3 the most expensive major console in history and can't afford to drop price to compete with MS and Nintendo. I don't think sells would be much better if they had twice the games they do. They just priced it too high to have any chance of beating MS or Nintendo this generation.
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Its the second most expensive console in history.
3D0 will teach you not to forget it.
3D0 will teach you not to forget it.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Notice I said "major" console. Meaning from one of the major players in the industry.[/quote]
3DO was major at the time.
It had Trip Hawkins behind it.
3DO was major at the time.
It had Trip Hawkins behind it.
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']3DO was major at the time.
It had Trip Hawkins behind it.[/QUOTE]
Still wasn't major IMO. By major I meant Nintendo, Sega, Sony and MS. Could throw Atari in their if you wanted to go further back (though the Jaguar certinainly wasn't major).
3D0 was something along the lines of the the Turbograph-x 16 or the Neo Geo in being a console by another company outside the mainstream than no one but the most serious gamer nerds gave a crap about. Especially with it's price.
It had Trip Hawkins behind it.[/QUOTE]
Still wasn't major IMO. By major I meant Nintendo, Sega, Sony and MS. Could throw Atari in their if you wanted to go further back (though the Jaguar certinainly wasn't major).
3D0 was something along the lines of the the Turbograph-x 16 or the Neo Geo in being a console by another company outside the mainstream than no one but the most serious gamer nerds gave a crap about. Especially with it's price.
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Define "major." Do you mean by sales? In the US alone? What? Because, for its time, the TG16 was certainly a major player in a lot of ways. The 3D0 was more debatable, but this was hardly the CD-i or something. The 3D0 was a major console launch and stayed in stores for a fair bit. Same with Jaguar, Lynx, etc.
Sales, advertising etc. But yes mainly sells. Major means it was something a lot of peole owned. Not just the hardcore gamer nerds.
Since I started gaming, the NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, PS1, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 have been the major consoles (not counting portables, which would be the GB, Game Gear, GBA, DS and PSP).
And yes I mean mainly in the US, though to my knowledge that list should be applicable world wide as well.
Since I started gaming, the NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, PS1, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 have been the major consoles (not counting portables, which would be the GB, Game Gear, GBA, DS and PSP).
And yes I mean mainly in the US, though to my knowledge that list should be applicable world wide as well.
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Little Big Planet - 141k, though not in the top 20. Not shabby. Got beat by PS3 version of MK vs DC D:
This also reinforces an idea I had earlier, that first week sales (in the traditional software sales model) are not topped by the entire subsequent MONTH. Thats pretty wild.
This also reinforces an idea I had earlier, that first week sales (in the traditional software sales model) are not topped by the entire subsequent MONTH. Thats pretty wild.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, I didn't like the way that he worded it. I'd agree that the PS3 is lacking in must have games (i.e. games worth paying $400 for the console to play), and I'd agree that games sales are sluggish. [/quote]
Are you implying that xbox 360 has games that are alone worth spending $400 on? Even if it did, it would be so only for a few people, and I'm sure you could say the same about PS3 (that a few people bought PS3 just so they could play MGS4). I personally have spent over $500 on Eye of Judgement alone.
Besides, I don't believe this kind of thinking makes sense. Everyone who purchased a console because of a specific game must have been aware the the console has other uses (and games) too. That single game simply pushed them over the fence.
Are you implying that xbox 360 has games that are alone worth spending $400 on? Even if it did, it would be so only for a few people, and I'm sure you could say the same about PS3 (that a few people bought PS3 just so they could play MGS4). I personally have spent over $500 on Eye of Judgement alone.
Besides, I don't believe this kind of thinking makes sense. Everyone who purchased a console because of a specific game must have been aware the the console has other uses (and games) too. That single game simply pushed them over the fence.
[quote name='Teh Nitwit']Are you implying that xbox 360 has games that are alone worth spending $400 on? Even if it did, it would be so only for a few people, and I'm sure you could say the same about PS3 (that a few people bought PS3 just so they could play MGS4). I personally have spent over $500 on Eye of Judgement alone.
Besides, I don't believe this kind of thinking makes sense. Everyone who purchased a console because of a specific game must have been aware the the console has other uses (and games) too. That single game simply pushed them over the fence.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to get into that argument as it really comes down to what you like in terms of the exclusives. I went with the 360 for Bioshock (exclusive at the time), Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect (was coming soon) etc. etc. And the fact that my local gaming friends had 360s and played online was a big draw. Sony's exclusives either don't interest me or are games I could live without. But for others Sony has a ton of stuff they like and the 360 doesn't, so it's just a too each their own. But for me, yes the game library isn't worth paying $400 to play. To other's it is.
But I would say that outside of MGS4, the author of that article is right that they just don't have the big, huge blockbuster must have games on par with Halo and Gears of War in terms of selling consoles to non-hardcore gamers. They're lacking that one huge game, aside from MGS4 to push people over the fence--especially with it still being the most expensive console. Losing Final Fantasy XIII as exclusive was huge. Stuff like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, etc. are good games and good exclusives. But they're not going to push many joe six pack casual gamers over the edge to buy a PS3.
Also, I didn't think the 360 was worth $400--no game console is to me. I bought one in Oct of last year when I paid $400 for a Pro Console with Bioshock, Orange Box, Two Worlds (which I swapped for Halo 3) and Marvel: UA/Forza 2. So factoring in getting 3 $60 games I really wanted it was a good enough value. And I definitely think it's worth the $200-300 they go for now.
The PS3 isn't a rip off at $400 by any means, especially if you want a blu ray player. And it has a solid line up of games if you're into their exclusives for sure. So I wasn't meaning to bash it generally, but just to agree with the article that it's lacking the killer must play exclusives to get people off the fence. Which is key given the near death of major third party exclusives.
Besides, I don't believe this kind of thinking makes sense. Everyone who purchased a console because of a specific game must have been aware the the console has other uses (and games) too. That single game simply pushed them over the fence.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to get into that argument as it really comes down to what you like in terms of the exclusives. I went with the 360 for Bioshock (exclusive at the time), Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect (was coming soon) etc. etc. And the fact that my local gaming friends had 360s and played online was a big draw. Sony's exclusives either don't interest me or are games I could live without. But for others Sony has a ton of stuff they like and the 360 doesn't, so it's just a too each their own. But for me, yes the game library isn't worth paying $400 to play. To other's it is.
But I would say that outside of MGS4, the author of that article is right that they just don't have the big, huge blockbuster must have games on par with Halo and Gears of War in terms of selling consoles to non-hardcore gamers. They're lacking that one huge game, aside from MGS4 to push people over the fence--especially with it still being the most expensive console. Losing Final Fantasy XIII as exclusive was huge. Stuff like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, etc. are good games and good exclusives. But they're not going to push many joe six pack casual gamers over the edge to buy a PS3.
Also, I didn't think the 360 was worth $400--no game console is to me. I bought one in Oct of last year when I paid $400 for a Pro Console with Bioshock, Orange Box, Two Worlds (which I swapped for Halo 3) and Marvel: UA/Forza 2. So factoring in getting 3 $60 games I really wanted it was a good enough value. And I definitely think it's worth the $200-300 they go for now.
The PS3 isn't a rip off at $400 by any means, especially if you want a blu ray player. And it has a solid line up of games if you're into their exclusives for sure. So I wasn't meaning to bash it generally, but just to agree with the article that it's lacking the killer must play exclusives to get people off the fence. Which is key given the near death of major third party exclusives.
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Valkyria Chronicles (PS3) - 33k (not in top 100 SKUs for Nov)
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[quote name='dmaul1114']I'm not going to get into that argument as it really comes down to what you like in terms of the exclusives. I went with the 360 for Bioshock (exclusive at the time), Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect (was coming soon) etc. etc. And the fact that my local gaming friends had 360s and played online was a big draw. Sony's exclusives either don't interest me or are games I could live without. But for others Sony has a ton of stuff they like and the 360 doesn't, so it's just a too each their own. But for me, yes the game library isn't worth paying $400 to play. To other's it is.
But I would say that outside of MGS4, the author of that article is right that they just don't have the big, huge blockbuster must have games on par with Halo and Gears of War in terms of selling consoles to non-hardcore gamers. They're lacking that one huge game, aside from MGS4 to push people over the fence--especially with it still being the most expensive console. Losing Final Fantasy XIII as exclusive was huge. Stuff like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, etc. are good games and good exclusives. But they're not going to push many joe six pack casual gamers over the edge to buy a PS3.
Also, I didn't think the 360 was worth $400--no game console is to me. I bought one in Oct of last year when I paid $400 for a Pro Console with Bioshock, Orange Box, Two Worlds (which I swapped for Halo 3) and Marvel: UA/Forza 2. So factoring in getting 3 $60 games I really wanted it was a good enough value. And I definitely think it's worth the $200-300 they go for now.
The PS3 isn't a rip off at $400 by any means, especially if you want a blu ray player. And it has a solid line up of games if you're into their exclusives for sure. So I wasn't meaning to bash it generally, but just to agree with the article that it's lacking the killer must play exclusives to get people off the fence. Which is key given the near death of major third party exclusives.[/quote]
I agree completely. And I'm not very surprised at Valkryria Chronicles numbers. I already knew that for some reason, PS3 owners don't buy games, especially the ones I think are good.
But I would say that outside of MGS4, the author of that article is right that they just don't have the big, huge blockbuster must have games on par with Halo and Gears of War in terms of selling consoles to non-hardcore gamers. They're lacking that one huge game, aside from MGS4 to push people over the fence--especially with it still being the most expensive console. Losing Final Fantasy XIII as exclusive was huge. Stuff like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Little Big Planet, etc. are good games and good exclusives. But they're not going to push many joe six pack casual gamers over the edge to buy a PS3.
Also, I didn't think the 360 was worth $400--no game console is to me. I bought one in Oct of last year when I paid $400 for a Pro Console with Bioshock, Orange Box, Two Worlds (which I swapped for Halo 3) and Marvel: UA/Forza 2. So factoring in getting 3 $60 games I really wanted it was a good enough value. And I definitely think it's worth the $200-300 they go for now.
The PS3 isn't a rip off at $400 by any means, especially if you want a blu ray player. And it has a solid line up of games if you're into their exclusives for sure. So I wasn't meaning to bash it generally, but just to agree with the article that it's lacking the killer must play exclusives to get people off the fence. Which is key given the near death of major third party exclusives.[/quote]
I agree completely. And I'm not very surprised at Valkryria Chronicles numbers. I already knew that for some reason, PS3 owners don't buy games, especially the ones I think are good.
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Thats not a genre that would top the charts on any console though. Its just a niche game, anyway you cut it.
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[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Thats not a genre that would top the charts on any console though. Its just a niche game, anyway you cut it.[/quote]
Doesn't look like this niche can survive on PS3.
Doesn't look like this niche can survive on PS3.
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3D0 was something along the lines of the the Turbograph-x 16 or the Neo Geo in being a console by another company outside the mainstream than no one but the most serious gamer nerds gave a crap about. Especially with it's price.[/QUOTE]
strange but true: the TG-16 (PC Engine) was bigger than the NES in Japan.
3D0 was something along the lines of the the Turbograph-x 16 or the Neo Geo in being a console by another company outside the mainstream than no one but the most serious gamer nerds gave a crap about. Especially with it's price.[/QUOTE]
strange but true: the TG-16 (PC Engine) was bigger than the NES in Japan.
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Niche development is supposed to gravitate towards the higher marketshare/lower dev costs platform.
Secondarily, digital distribution to get just the low dev costs part, if your game is small enough.
Some "SRPG"s - LTD Nov 07 US:
Disgaea - 135k (since has gone greatest hits)
Phantom Brave - 59k
La Pucelle Tactics - 75k
Growlanser Generations - 62k
Soul Nomad - 17k
Tactics Ogre (GBA) - 101k
Yggdra Union (GBA) - 12k
Fire Emblem GBA - 393k
Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones - 351k
FF Tactics Advance - 662k
Front Mission 4 - 118k
Front Mission DS - 28k
Suikoden Tactics - 76k
Final Fantasy Tactics, the original, hit 1.38M in Japan, but thats an outlier.
Secondarily, digital distribution to get just the low dev costs part, if your game is small enough.
Some "SRPG"s - LTD Nov 07 US:
Disgaea - 135k (since has gone greatest hits)
Phantom Brave - 59k
La Pucelle Tactics - 75k
Growlanser Generations - 62k
Soul Nomad - 17k
Tactics Ogre (GBA) - 101k
Yggdra Union (GBA) - 12k
Fire Emblem GBA - 393k
Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones - 351k
FF Tactics Advance - 662k
Front Mission 4 - 118k
Front Mission DS - 28k
Suikoden Tactics - 76k
Final Fantasy Tactics, the original, hit 1.38M in Japan, but thats an outlier.
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14) Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia (DS) / Nintendo
15) Guitar Hero World Tour (Xbox 360) / Activision Blizzard
16) Mario Kart (DS) / Nintendo
17) Guitar Hero World Tour (PS2) / Activision Blizzard
18) WWE SmackDown vs. RAW 2009 (PS2) / THQ
19) Fable II (Xbox 360) / Microsoft
20) Madden NFL 09 (Xbox 360) / Electronic Arts
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