Obama's Foreign Trip

[quote name='KingBroly']Well since votes in both the house and senate were near unanimous for the Iraq "conflict", both parties are to blame. Even though one wants to maintain they had nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE]

I think it was McCain who during the primaries said he was for the war when 60 percent of Americans were for it and he is for it when 60 percent of Americans were against it.

The point that flew over your thick skulls is that people supported the war because they were lied to about pretty much every single detail.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']fuck that. If we left Iraq, who is going to stop us?[/QUOTE]

Nobody. But then we would have to deal with several more decades of left-wing documentaries about the tragic evil effects of American foreign policy, and a constant bombardment of imagery containing suffering starving children with pot bellies and flies in their eyes to remind us how horrible America is.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Nobody. But then we would have to deal with several more decades of left-wing documentaries about the tragic evil effects of American foreign policy, and a constant bombardment of imagery containing suffering starving children with pot bellies and flies in their eyes to remind us how horrible America is.[/quote]

We Americans have a great ability to ignore tragedy outside of our borders.

Rwanda and Darfur are pretty good examples.

Also, few people watch documentaries.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']We Americans have a great ability to ignore tragedy outside of our borders.

Rwanda and Darfur are pretty good examples.

Also, few people watch documentaries.[/QUOTE]

I think Americans ignore what the media ignores, when it should be the other way around. And the media will jump on any perceived American caused tragedy like a vampire and burn all our retinas with it as long as possible.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']We Americans have a great ability to ignore tragedy outside of our borders.

Rwanda and Darfur are pretty good examples.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but those aren't our fault--and for that matter, they aren't our problem either.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Sounds eerily similar to me.

The Defense Department is intent on moving more troops to Afghanistan "sooner rather than later." That sounds like Obama's policy too. The main difference is that he would draw down troops in 18 months or whatever compared to draw down troops as the situation allows. Whoop-de-damn-do, since troops are already leaving that makes extremely little difference in policies.[/QUOTE]

Here's another one (from an interview yesterday) in case you still disagree with me:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/148986
Q: You've been talking about those limited missions for a long time. Having gone there and talked to both diplomatic and military folks, do you have a clearer idea of how big a force you'd need to leave behind to fulfill all those functions?
OBAMA: I do think that's entirely conditions-based. It's hard to anticipate where we may be six months from now, or a year from now, or a year and a half from now.
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[quote name='Liquid 2']Yeah, but those aren't our fault--and for that matter, they aren't our problem either.[/QUOTE]

Same with Iraq before the invasion....
 
Am I understanding this correctly?

Republicans agree that invading Iraq was a mistake. Democrats should keep the country there because it would be improper for us to leave at this time.

Is that about right?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Am I understanding this correctly?

Republicans agree that invading Iraq was a mistake. Democrats should keep the country there because it would be improper for us to leave at this time.

Is that about right?[/QUOTE]

You have not gotten a real response to your question about Iraq being worth the cost, what makes you think you will get an actual answer now?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']And the media will jump on any perceived American caused tragedy like a vampire and burn all our retinas with it as long as possible.[/QUOTE]

Possibly because, as Americans, it's in our power to not cause those tragedies? Doesn't seem unreasonable.

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Am I understanding this correctly?

Republicans agree that invading Iraq was a mistake. Democrats should keep the country there because it would be improper for us to leave at this time.

Is that about right?[/QUOTE]

Weirdly enough, sorta. These days, finding a conservative who supported invading Iraq is a bit like finding a Nazi in Germany, circa 1950* -- if so few people supported it in the first place, how the hell did it even happen? Who were all the counter-protesters and such? I'm pretty sure they weren't just cardboard cutouts. But I'm not sure that I'd use that phrasing of the Democratic position -- I think most Democrats are still for the "get out ASAP" plan.

*And yes, I'm aware of the loaded metaphor.
 
I supported invading Iraq.

No WMDs were found and too much money is being pissed away.

So, I changed my mind.

We should move all of the equipment and men out of the country ASAP.

Tell the remaining contractors that they're on their own (for safety and employment) if they don't want to leave immediately.

If the entire region goes to hell, take that opportunity to transition the country to wind and solar power so that the US standard of living doesn't tank.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I supported invading Iraq.

No WMDs were found and too much money is being pissed away.

So, I changed my mind.

We should move all of the equipment and men out of the country ASAP.

Tell the remaining contractors that they're on their own (for safety and employment) if they don't want to leave immediately.

If the entire region goes to hell, take that opportunity to transition the country to wind and solar power so that the US standard of living doesn't tank.[/QUOTE]

Well, I don't think that's such a great plan personally, but I commend your willingness to man up and say, "Yeah, I stood for that, but not any more." Like I said, not a lot of people willing to do that.
 
[quote name='trq']Well, I don't think that's such a great plan personally, but I commend your willingness to man up and say, "Yeah, I stood for that, but not any more." Like I said, not a lot of people willing to do that.[/QUOTE]

And just about no politicians, who seem to be unable to ever admit that they were wrong about anything, even when it's painfully clear they were. I still don't understand why Hillary didn't just say she was wrong to support the war (instead of falsely claiming she wasn't wrong but Bush misused his authority), or Obama doesn't just admit he was wrong about the surge and that it's a good thing he was, or McCain admit that he was wrong to oppose a non-discrimination ballot initiative 10 years ago just like he's right to support the one this year.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']And just about no politicians, who seem to be unable to ever admit that they were wrong about anything, even when it's painfully clear they were. I still don't understand why Hillary didn't just say she was wrong to support the war (instead of falsely claiming she wasn't wrong but Bush misused his authority), or Obama doesn't just admit he was wrong about the surge and that it's a good thing he was, or McCain admit that he was wrong to oppose a non-discrimination ballot initiative 10 years ago just like he's right to support the one this year.[/QUOTE]

Because apologizing in politics (And in society really) is seen as weakness. Finger pointing and blame games are much more acceptable somehow.
 
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