Obesity

King of Prussia, Montgomeryville, Limerick.

I need a lunch pack if I bring my own eggs. My food stays in my car between clients.
 
So I swapped out the 210 calorie bag of Sunchips for a 130 calorie bag of Baked Lays BBQ Chips. Not a big deal at all - just as tasty. I can feel myself getting thinner as I type this.
 
[quote name='Javery']So I swapped out the 210 calorie bag of Sunchips for a 130 calorie bag of Baked Lays BBQ Chips. Not a big deal at all - just as tasty. I can feel myself getting thinner as I type this.[/QUOTE]

I was just coming here to post that recommendation for you!

I had Baked Original Lays with my sandwich for lunch today. Think they were 120 calories and 2 grams of fat.

Certainly not healthy, but at least a way to get a chip fix without much fat and not too big a calorie hit.
 
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Hmm. I'll have to think about that. $2 off a gallon of milk means people still have to pony up $2-2.50 for a gallon of milk (at least where I live). Not sure how much help that would be.[/QUOTE]

Holy shit, really? The last gallon I bought, Monday, was $2.28 at WalMart.
 
I'll have to check next time I go to the grocery store.

I hate milk so I usually just buy half gallons of organic milk--solely because the expiration date is around 5-6 weeks away. I really only use it in things that require milk to bake etc.

Those run $3.50-3.99, but I haven't paid attention to what regular gallon milk costs lately.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']I had a filling meal that used half that. 2 cups broccoli, 8 ounces of chicken, 1/2 tbs of olive oil...340 calories and filling as hell.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I stopped at broccoli. :puke:
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Holy shit, really? The last gallon I bought, Monday, was $2.28 at WalMart.[/QUOTE]

Same here. Great Value's milk (the cheapest 2% I can find at Wal-Mart) is somewhere around $3.30 or $3.40 a gallon. $4+ would have me giving up milk.
 
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[quote name='seanr1221']You seem to eat a lot of nuts (lol!) too. Can you cut it down to 1/4 cup? It's only 170 calories for almonds.[/QUOTE]

Man I sure love nuts. All shapes and sizes. Nuts taste so awesome when I put them on my tongue and I just can't get enough nuts in my mouth.

yeah - I'm going to try and cut down on it but 1/4 of a cup is practically nothing. I also kind of look at it as "good" calories/fat as opposed to something processed.

[quote name='dmaul1114']I was just coming here to post that recommendation for you!

I had Baked Original Lays with my sandwich for lunch today. Think they were 120 calories and 2 grams of fat.

Certainly not healthy, but at least a way to get a chip fix without much fat and not too big a calorie hit.[/QUOTE]

It's not bad. I like the Sunchips but switching to Baked Lays should be easy enough. I am a strong believer that diets don't work and you have to really change your lifestyle to achieve long-term results. Just saying I won't eat X or Y food ever again (like pizza and ice cream) is ridiculous - of course I will - I just need to do it in moderation. It's a struggle but something I've accepted as I get older.

Also, more on-topic - the wife buys about 4 gallons of milk a week (it's all the kids drink) and I think they are about $3.50 a gallon or something (from BJ's). Not bad but not cheap.
 
Keep in mind he's out in the burbs and I believe you live in Philly.

Shit's always more expensive in the city than in the 'burbs, and cheapest in the boondocks.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What the motherfuck, man? You live just south of NYC and milk is cheaper for you than me?

*sigh*[/QUOTE]

It's BJ's though - I think milk at the Shop Rite or Stop N Shop is over $4/gallon and that's for store-brand. It's like $3.60 for a 1/2 gallon of brand name stuff. I don't do the food shopping that often though...
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Disagree. Our nation has a very strong and pervasive rhetoric surrounding "deserving" and "undeserving." Farmers deserve corn subsidies (sometimes). CEOs deserve huge bonuses and pay raises because you have to attract the best person available for the job (like Bob Nardelli, ha). Corporations deserve tax breaks because they produce wealth and create jobs. The poor have refrigerators, so they don't deserve food stamps. The unemployed are lethargic, so they...you get the idea.[/QUOTE]

Well - if people understood what wall street folks are really doing they would never go along with it - because alot of those folks don't run companies or do anything useful, they just think of clever ways to move money around while taking a nice big cut off the top.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's not even on the level of Horatio Alger bullshit, it's a whole new world of bullshit.
 
[quote name='Javery']So I swapped out the 210 calorie bag of Sunchips for a 130 calorie bag of Baked Lays BBQ Chips. Not a big deal at all - just as tasty. I can feel myself getting thinner as I type this.[/QUOTE]

gives Javeryh a bag of Pumpkin seeds from Eden Foods. :D
 
[quote name='Sarang01']gives Javeryh a bag of Pumpkin seeds from Eden Foods. :D[/QUOTE]

I don't know what Eden Foods is but pumpkin seeds sound delicious. :D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']You're not looking at it the right way.

You have a budget of $X a month for food. A head of lettuce is $1 out of that.

Someone on food stamps has a budget of $X income and $X worth of food stamps each month to feed themselves. A head of lettuce is $1 out of that.

In either case it's a $1 out of each of your monthly food budgets--the fact that part of their budget is food stamps doesn't change that. Every item they buy is still part of the budget spent that thus can't be spent on other food items.

So right now, buying fresh produce means they have less budget left for other things they may want more like soda or chips. Change food stamps so at least some can only be used for fresh produce etc., and they can't make that decision anymore and have to get those things or just not use those particular vouchers.[/QUOTE]

Yes but your food budget is still free "money". It seems people are just against the idea of telling them how to spend it. I say bull. It's not socialism if they're not earning it.

My mother gets about $75 worth of food stamps per month, and aside from the occasional box of cake mix, she is stocked to the gills with fresh meats, produce, rice, and healthy cereals. That's just for one elderly lady by the way. EBT was made to make sure you don't go hungry, not so you can eat your weight in Funyuns.
 
[quote name='davo1224']Yes but your food budget is still free "money". It seems people are just against the idea of telling them how to spend it. I say bull. It's not socialism if they're not earning it.

My mother gets about $75 worth of food stamps per month, and aside from the occasional box of cake mix, she is stocked to the gills with fresh meats, produce, rice, and healthy cereals. That's just for one elderly lady by the way. EBT was made to make sure you don't go hungry, not so you can eat your weight in Funyuns.[/QUOTE]
Ummm...that's $2.5 a day and $17.50 a week. Unless your mother is eating stew meat, $3lb fish, discounted veggies that are wilting, $2lb bologne, and no fruits at all, I find it hard to believe that you're painting an accurate picture of what's going on...if not outright lying. There's obviously some other form of supplemental income.

While it might not be "earned," the utility of the value doesn't suddenly exponentially increase. $1 out of EBT is the same as $1 out of your pocket; it doesn't magically get you $5 worth of food compared to your $1. Your math is fucked.

But the REAL question is why you decided to reply to a 4 month old post. That's what's really got my noodle in a bind.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']That is because it comes out of my pocket.[/QUOTE]
Yup...yours and only yours...:roll:

My tax dollars are also paying for your roads, how about you pay me back asshole:booty:
 
[quote name='dohdough']Ummm...that's $2.5 a day and $17.50 a week. Unless your mother is eating stew meat, $3lb fish, discounted veggies that are wilting, $2lb bologne, and no fruits at all, I find it hard to believe that you're painting an accurate picture of what's going on...if not outright lying. There's obviously some other form of supplemental income.
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Yeah, no way to eat well on $75 a month. I assume the $75 are in addition to other income (be it from a job, social security or whatever).

I spend a minimum of $200 a month on food probably just for myself and I don't buy a lot of meat--lots of fruit and veggies though. Also lots of pricey processed crap as I certainly don't eat all that healthy in general. I just watch how much I eat calorie wise and avoid fatty foods.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Not surprising at all. Thinking about the women in my life I imagine 180 would probably be more the average and most of the women I know are short.[/QUOTE]

My mom is 4'10" and like 150. I think she is finally starting to go for walks and stuff though because she knows she is basically doomed if she keeps her weight like that.

My dad on the other hand is probably a bit under 200 and 5'6". He smokes and has high blood pressure, and has had panic attacks and other bad issues lately. I'm extremely worried that he's not going to last much longer. He's at high risk for a heart attack. I wish he would quit his current high-pressure job, find a lower-paying but lower-stress job, and come live closer to us. But he has too much pride for that. And for that I am scared that we are going to have my widowed mother living with us in the next 5 years or so.
 
[quote name='4thHorseman']I'm about 100 lbs over the average then. And let me tell you, I am NOT happy about it. In fact, I don't think I've ever been happy about my weight.[/QUOTE]
Drop by the weight-loss thread. We're all there to help and give encouragement.:)
 
[quote name='dohdough']Ummm...that's $2.5 a day and $17.50 a week. Unless your mother is eating stew meat, $3lb fish, discounted veggies that are wilting, $2lb bologne, and no fruits at all, I find it hard to believe that you're painting an accurate picture of what's going on...if not outright lying. There's obviously some other form of supplemental income.[/QUOTE]
I take it you've never heard of Price-Rite, Save-A-Lot, Publix, etc.?

While it might not be "earned," the utility of the value doesn't suddenly exponentially increase. $1 out of EBT is the same as $1 out of your pocket; it doesn't magically get you $5 worth of food compared to your $1. Your math is fucked.
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Your math is what's fucked if you think that +$75 doesn't equal $75 that wasn't there before. If someone has no money for food, after everything else is paid off, EBT provides them with a food budget to begin with. That is not a $1 out of their pocket, so much as it is putting one in there to begin with. That also means that when you spend that $1 you've been given, you better use it wisely.

If all of your food budget is from food stamps, $5 for sandwich ingredients that will last a week is much better than $5 for one McD's meal. That's how the money is exponentially worth more.

But the REAL question is why you decided to reply to a 4 month old post. That's what's really got my noodle in a bind.
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How about you ask the other 5 or 6 posters before me?
 
I also think people do not take region in to account nor do they take the cost of cooking vs buying pre cooked meals. $75 a month a person is low but not THAT low in Ohio and Michigan. I can make a lot of meals like tasty 12 bean soup, lentil soup, steel cut oatmeal(with apples and raisins or peanut butter or something else in it)and many other meals for under $1 a serving(and we are talking BIG servings). Those are all very nutritious meals and very cheap. Eating those types of meals all the time would equal out to under $70 a month and is healtheir then most Americans eat these days.

Problem is that to truly be healthy you do have to add in more fruits and veggies which does cost another $20-$30 a month. So again yes I agree that $75 is too low, but if you cook your own meals and are smart with your money in much of the country its not that under what you need.
 
[quote name='davo1224']I take it you've never heard of Price-Rite, Save-A-Lot, Publix, etc.?


Your math is what's fucked if you think that +$75 doesn't equal $75 that wasn't there before. If someone has no money for food, after everything else is paid off, EBT provides them with a food budget to begin with. That is not a $1 out of their pocket, so much as it is putting one in there to begin with. That also means that when you spend that $1 you've been given, you better use it wisely.

If all of your food budget is from food stamps, $5 for sandwich ingredients that will last a week is much better than $5 for one McD's meal. That's how the money is exponentially worth more.


How about you ask the other 5 or 6 posters before me?[/QUOTE]I don't know where you live, but Publix isn't cheap.
 
[quote name='davo1224']I take it you've never heard of Price-Rite, Save-A-Lot, Publix, etc.?[/quote]
Apparently I'm too ignorant to be able to figure out how someone can subsist on $75 a month.:roll:

Too bad you're the one that said that your mother persists on $75 and not only that, but even has surplus.

You're the one making outrageous claims, not me.

Your math is what's fucked if you think that +$75 doesn't equal $75 that wasn't there before. If someone has no money for food, after everything else is paid off, EBT provides them with a food budget to begin with. That is not a $1 out of their pocket, so much as it is putting one in there to begin with. That also means that when you spend that $1 you've been given, you better use it wisely.
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Seems like you're more concerned about that part.

And what difference does it make that there wasn't any money before? They can't buy $200 worth of food with a $75 allowance.

If all of your food budget is from food stamps, $5 for sandwich ingredients that will last a week is much better than $5 for one McD's meal. That's how the money is exponentially worth more.
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Dollar value does not equal utility. $5 worth of food still only buys $5 worth of food.

How about you ask the other 5 or 6 posters before me?
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Hey dipshit, dmaul's post was made in JULY. Everyone else's was made in the last few days and cindersphere posted a related article.

Or maybe you should demand that your mother gives back any surplus because she shouldn't be able to stockpile food since your're so idealogically opposed to "abuse" and public assistance.

[quote name='MSI Magus']I also think people do not take region in to account nor do they take the cost of cooking vs buying pre cooked meals. $75 a month a person is low but not THAT low in Ohio and Michigan. I can make a lot of meals like tasty 12 bean soup, lentil soup, steel cut oatmeal(with apples and raisins or peanut butter or something else in it)and many other meals for under $1 a serving(and we are talking BIG servings). Those are all very nutritious meals and very cheap. Eating those types of meals all the time would equal out to under $70 a month and is healtheir then most Americans eat these days.

Problem is that to truly be healthy you do have to add in more fruits and veggies which does cost another $20-$30 a month. So again yes I agree that $75 is too low, but if you cook your own meals and are smart with your money in much of the country its not that under what you need.[/QUOTE]
I don't disagree that people can eat cheap, but having a well stocked fridge full of fresh veggies, meat, and fish is a little too far fetched to me. Especially when someone thinks $1 doesn't equal $1 in purchasing power.
 
5 bucks is 1lb premium lip and butthole bologna and a loaf of white bread. A week maybe but pushing it. Also guess this is the Annual CAG I never missed a meal but will tell poor people how to play dollar store gourmet thread.
 
Really the biggest part of this problem is not the amount people spend or have to spend on food...its the cost of food itself. While things like beans or oats may be dirt cheap things like fresh fruits and veggies(especially organics)can be outright insane. I mean you should not be able to buy a Pepsi for less then an apple and the idea that its cheaper to get a big mac then make veggie stir fry is insane.

I have not read the whole topic so you guys may have gone over those points time and time again...but personally they are just things that drive me up the wall. Subsidies for all the junk food needs to end and we need to find new ways to farm and fast.

Personally I am a big fan of Vertical farming.
http://www.verticalfarm.com/

Combine that and urban farming and you have a lot of good food and a lot of good jobs.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Really the biggest part of this problem is not the amount people spend or have to spend on food...its the cost of food itself. While things like beans or oats may be dirt cheap things like fresh fruits and veggies(especially organics)can be outright insane. I mean you should not be able to buy a Pepsi for less then an apple and the idea that its cheaper to get a big mac then make veggie stir fry is insane.

I have not read the whole topic so you guys may have gone over those points time and time again...but personally they are just things that drive me up the wall. Subsidies for all the junk food needs to end and we need to find new ways to farm and fast.

Personally I am a big fan of Vertical farming.
http://www.verticalfarm.com/

Combine that and urban farming and you have a lot of good food and a lot of good jobs.[/QUOTE]
I watched something on Discovery once about some similar to that. It was about a Botanist in Japan who was developing ways to utilize vertical space to grow plants, since land is at such a premium in a place like Japan. The simplest thing is simply to set up a rooftop greenhouse, but he was developing other ways as well.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Apparently I'm too ignorant to be able to figure out how someone can subsist on $75 a month.:roll:
Too bad you're the one that said that your mother persists on $75 and not only that, but even has surplus.

You're the one making outrageous claims, not me.[/QUOTE]
I really don't care if you don't believe me :lol:. You seem to think it's outlandish even though it's perfectly reasonable for one skinny elderly person, in a suburb, to only shop at low budget supermarkets, not eat out, and still only spend about $20 a week on food.


And what difference does it make that there wasn't any money before? They can't buy $200 worth of food with a $75 allowance.
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I don't even get what you're talking about it. Do you even have any experience with food stamps? Your amount is based on number of dependents and other factors. They don't give the same amount for one person that they give to six.

It also doesn't discount the fact that it's $200 they didn't have before. The difference between $0 and $200 is pretty big. In fact, it now ensures that the recipients can now eat, if the rest of their money (through working or welfare) is going towards bills that EBT can't pay.

Dollar value does not equal utility. $5 worth of food still only buys $5 worth of food.
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Which has never been disputed.

Hey dipshit, dmaul's post was made in JULY. Everyone else's was made in the last few days and cindersphere posted a related article.
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So by your own admission I wasn't the one who necrobumped the thread? What's the problem then?

Or maybe you should demand that your mother gives back any surplus because she shouldn't be able to stockpile food since your're so idealogically opposed to "abuse" and public assistance.
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Don't even know where you got this from considering I've advocated the necessity of these types of programs in this very thread.

I don't disagree that people can eat cheap, but having a well stocked fridge full of fresh veggies, meat, and fish is a little too far fetched to me. Especially when someone thinks $1 doesn't equal $1 in purchasing power.
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It's just tiring at this point. You don't believe me and I don't care. You can't even concede that food stamps are extra money, or could in some instances, make up the whole food budget, which they never had. $1 of this "new" money equals $1 they have to spend on food. It also equals $1 less they have to spend from the money they can't use EBT on. Somehow you aren't grasping that simple concept, so I don't expect you to grasp anything else. Especially considering that the only thing you know is ad-hominem attacks.
 
Davo
It is possible to get by on bread and water and you know survive. What people are getting at is whether that is wise and if it is nutritious. Also people who receive help via wic or ebt often have other sources of income but they also have other expenses.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Davo
It is possible to get by on bread and water and you know survive. What people are getting at is whether that is wise and if it is nutritious. Also people who receive help via wic or ebt often have other sources of income but they also have other expenses.[/QUOTE]

Well another thing far too many people do not consider is that if you are not getting proper nutrition you are more likely to get sick. How much does it cost us to have these people constantly at the Dr and on medications? If you are poor enough to qualify for food assistance then most likely you receive medical assistance too. I would imagine long term it costs us more by forcing/letting people eat bad then it does to provide them a little extra and give them good access to fruits and veggies.

I know it would require a complete overhaul of the system but I have always been a fan of increasing the amount people on food assistance programs receive but then overhauling the system to limit exactly what they buy. Meaning yes you get $140 a month vs $75 buuuut chips, pop, candy, ice cream and other junk food are not covered. Hell id love the system while its reforming to go a step farther and break down food assistance to cover a specific amount for a specific type of food. For instance limit meat intake to $30-$50 a month or something like that. This would mean that people are not just handed a blank $140 check every month that they can use to eat junk food but instead must actually eat healthy food.
 
[quote name='Clak']I don't know where you live, but Publix isn't cheap.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Publix is just a regular grocery store like Kroger or Food Lion or Giant etc. Not a discount store.

The local one here is pretty much next door to a Kroger. Kroger tends to be a tad cheaper, but Publix has better produce, a cleaner store and friendlier staff so I tend to shop there more often.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Well another thing far too many people do not consider is that if you are not getting proper nutrition you are more likely to get sick. How much does it cost us to have these people constantly at the Dr and on medications? If you are poor enough to qualify for food assistance then most likely you receive medical assistance too. I would imagine long term it costs us more by forcing/letting people eat bad then it does to provide them a little extra and give them good access to fruits and veggies.

I know it would require a complete overhaul of the system but I have always been a fan of increasing the amount people on food assistance programs receive but then overhauling the system to limit exactly what they buy. Meaning yes you get $140 a month vs $75 buuuut chips, pop, candy, ice cream and other junk food are not covered. Hell id love the system while its reforming to go a step farther and break down food assistance to cover a specific amount for a specific type of food. For instance limit meat intake to $30-$50 a month or something like that. This would mean that people are not just handed a blank $140 check every month that they can use to eat junk food but instead must actually eat healthy food.[/QUOTE]

The biggest problem nowadays is that people simply eat too much, leading to obesity and diabetes. It is easier to get fat on junk food mainly because it tastes good and is very calorie rich. Critical vitamin deficiencies are very rare in the US even on a junk food diet. Most of the malnourished people that I've seen have either some underlying malignancy or other chronic illness.

The main part of nutrition is governed by laws of conservation of mass and energy. There certainly are hormonal and behavioral aspects, but these cannot circumvent the laws of physics. Essentially, if people ate junk food in moderation, e.g. ~2000 kcal total per day, they would probably do OK... not ideally healthy, but they'd probably be OK... unfortunately, 2000 kcals is a hamburger, fries, and a soft drink in some places!

Caloric restriction is perhaps one of the few interventions that has been shown to successfully lengthen life!
 
[quote name='Msut77']Davo
It is possible to get by on bread and water and you know survive. What people are getting at is whether that is wise and if it is nutritious.[/QUOTE]
No one is saying bread and water but I agree with the nutrition part. You can load your house full of 1% juice jugs and crackers but you sure won't be eating healthy.

Also people who receive help via wic or ebt often have other sources of income but they also have other expenses.
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Yes but the unique thing about EBT is that it can only be used for food, therefore you don't have to be burdened by spending your other bill money on it.
 
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