Of Tea Party folks and Racial Slurs...

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Yeah ... The thing about that is I don't want to be part of some organization that views Sarah Palin favorable by a wide margin.

I'm unsure how people can be unsure of Ron Paul.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, I am not closed off from voting for a Republican, Teagbagger or some other far right group.....but I could never ever take any group that views Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck favorably.

If someone wants to create a group that's truely about reigning in government spending and making politicians be more responsible im in......if you think that the Tea Party movement is that party then well your brain is out.
 
The biggest question I have is who the fuck are the 4-5% of teabaggers who consider themselves liberal/democrats? What the fuck are you doing there? In what way can you label yourself that way but be part of a movement that stands resoundly behind Sarah Palin?

@MSI Magus
Agreed, I could consider voting for an Alan Simpson or a Lindsay Graham or a Lincoln Chafee, especially if the alternative was a Joe Lieberman or something.
 
[quote name='IRHari']The biggest question I have is who the fuck are the 4-5% of teabaggers who consider themselves liberal/democrats? What the fuck are you doing there? In what way can you label yourself that way but be part of a movement that stands resoundly behind Sarah Palin?[/QUOTE]

Again people dismissed it earlier but its obviously a race issue. They are the same people that we saw in Virginia voting for Hillary Clinton but refusing to vote for Obama. People want to pretend race is not an issue but if it was not we would have seen these protests years before under Clinton or even according to tea party principle under Bush.
 
GENTLEMEN! I PRESENT YOUR DAILY SOURCE OF DEFLECTION OF TEA PARTY RACISM!

http://www.physorg.com/news189959097.html

1) It found that those who are racially resentful, who believe the U.S. government has done too much to support blacks, are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who are not.

2) Among whites who approved, 35 percent said they believe blacks to be hardworking, 45 percent said they believe them intelligent and 41 percent said they believe them trustworthy.
 
[quote name='IRHari']The biggest question I have is who the fuck are the 4-5% of teabaggers who consider themselves liberal/democrats? What the fuck are you doing there? In what way can you label yourself that way but be part of a movement that stands resoundly behind Sarah Palin?

@MSI Magus
Agreed, I could consider voting for an Alan Simpson or a Lindsay Graham or a Lincoln Chafee, especially if the alternative was a Joe Lieberman or something.[/QUOTE]


Probably Jason Levin (google him) and all the people he has infiltrate the tea party rallies with racist signs. They would be the liberals in the crowd.
 
[quote name='jputahraptor']Probably Jason Levin (google him) and all the people he has infiltrate the tea party rallies with racist signs. They would be the liberals in the crowd.[/QUOTE]

Glad you agree that the tea party = conservatives + republicans + independents (who won't call themselves republicans but are conservative).

Definitely not a nonpartisan group.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Glad you agree that the tea party = conservatives + republicans + independents (who won't call themselves republicans but are conservative).

Definitely not a nonpartisan group.[/QUOTE]

Kinda funny how they shift their rhetoric to admit they're an extremely partisan group - for the purpose of pretending, since they can no longer engage in the argument that a "few individuals" are racist, that the patterned racism they continue to be exposed to consists solely of liberal plants.

Leon Festinger is laughing his *ass* off right now.
 
What's all this confusion about creating a balanced budget?

Some of the same folks who say it can't be done are the same folks who like to point out Clinton had a balanced budget - then Bush took over.

Look, it's very simple. If you honestly think our country can keep spending more than we make, then you're a fool. Now, we can argue over cutting spending or raising taxes (or, ideally, a healthy amount of both), but, at some point, we're going to have to straighten this entire debt thing out.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Kinda funny how they shift their rhetoric to admit they're an extremely partisan group - for the purpose of pretending, since they can no longer engage in the argument that a "few individuals" are racist, that the patterned racism they continue to be exposed to consists solely of liberal plants.

Leon Festinger is laughing his *ass* off right now.[/QUOTE]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252452

Are you ever going to respond to this racist thread you created two months ago and just ignored because it was a stupid blury picture and you had racism on the brain like you do everyday. Did you finally get off the plane and sleep yet or are you going two months strong on Red Bull.

Let's ignore the Crash the Tea Party website and just assume that racists love to congregate near liberal msnbc and NYT cameramen.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Some of the same folks who say it can't be done are the same folks who like to point out Clinton had a surplus - then Bush took over.[/QUOTE]

fixed.
 
Although, technically, a "balanced budget" would be money in=money out, I think most people would consider a budget with a surplus balanced as well (at least, until all debts are paid off).
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Although, technically, a "balanced budget" would be money in=money out, I think most people would consider a budget with a surplus balanced as well (at least, until all debts are paid off).[/QUOTE]

but it's just a surplus.... doesn't really matter now if we all had some pocket change back then. Certainly don't have it now.

And I'd never compare balance to surplus.

I wouldn't give that congress or Clinton kudos for that.
 
[quote name='jputahraptor']http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252452

Are you ever going to respond to this racist thread you created two months ago and just ignored because it was a stupid blury picture and you had racism on the brain like you do everyday. Did you finally get off the plane and sleep yet or are you going two months strong on Red Bull.

Let's ignore the Crash the Tea Party website and just assume that racists love to congregate near liberal msnbc and NYT cameramen.[/QUOTE]

Woah.

Hold on.

Let me get this straight.

You think you made legitimate points and not strawmen there?

yyyyyyyow.
 
[quote name='xycury']but it's just a surplus.... doesn't really matter now if we all had some pocket change back then. Certainly don't have it now.

And I'd never compare balance to surplus.

I wouldn't give that congress or Clinton kudos for that.[/QUOTE]

I was talking about it being plausible within say 3 or more election cycles, for the deficit mind not even getting started on the national debt.

Clinton gets some credit for the surplus although a lot of it was a rare combination of relative world peace and a massive tech boom along with his policies.

Just as a policy goal achieving a surplus is largely meaningless and achieving it at the cost of kneecapping Social Security or economic growth is counterproductive.

When people talk Clinton's Surplus vs. W's Debt the point is how Republicans willfully squandered about as a clean a slate as any President ever had.
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']Woah.

Hold on.

Let me get this straight.

You think you made legitimate points and not strawmen there?

yyyyyyyow.[/QUOTE]

myke not responding to a point, and insulting the person making it? nah not myke. couldnt be
 
[quote name='Knoell']myke not responding to a point, and insulting the person making it? nah not myke. couldnt be[/QUOTE]

:rofl: Do you *seriously* not see the irony in your posts?
 
[quote name='The Crotch']...

This subforum is getting really hard to read.[/QUOTE]

Have you tried using the "Ctrl" and the "+" keys at the same time?

I embrace Knoell.
 
[quote name='Knoell']myke not responding to a point, and insulting the person making it? nah not myke. couldnt be[/QUOTE]

Don't be an idiot. The post he pointed to was an attempt at intelligent discussion of racism. Dude's complaint was akin to calling myke a "linoleum hater" because he wanted to have a discussion about why the kitchen looks like shit.

Why don't you try actual defensible arguments in favor of the tea party? As in:

While it's a given that the Tea Party animus in a large part is fomented by a virulent combination of race and aggressive, partisan media (FOX News), I want to draw a distinction (and create a distance) between the "bad" Tea Party and the "good". I.E. the stated goals of the organization: A return to the balanced budget through a reduction in government spending.

It's also important to not be dismissive of the anger, because dismissive responses will only stoke the "They don't listen to REAL Americans!" subplot running through the movement. The anger must be defused and the (sometimes) valid complaints should be given a decent airing. If we're ever going to return to even-handed political discourse in this country.

Besides, we need to lower the rhetoric before something tragic happens.

How is that?
 
[quote name='Quillion']Don't be an idiot. The post he pointed to was an attempt at intelligent discussion of racism. Dude's complaint was akin to calling myke a "linoleum hater" because he wanted to have a discussion about why the kitchen looks like shit.

Why don't you try actual defensible arguments in favor of the tea party? As in:

While it's a given that the Tea Party animus in a large part is fomented by a virulent combination of race and aggressive, partisan media (FOX News), I want to draw a distinction (and create a distance) between the "bad" Tea Party and the "good". I.E. the stated goals of the organization: A return to the balanced budget through a reduction in government spending.

It's also important to not be dismissive of the anger, because dismissive responses will only stoke the "They don't listen to REAL Americans!" subplot running through the movement. The anger must be defused and the (sometimes) valid complaints should be given a decent airing. If we're ever going to return to even-handed political discourse in this country.

Besides, we need to lower the rhetoric before something tragic happens.

How is that?[/QUOTE]

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fuck YOU MOTHERFU...actually, that's not so bad. Reasonable, in fact.
 
I have to think this is the best metaphor for this entire discussion:

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The real kicker is the title:
I'm Not Entirely Sure He Knows What That Is
 
[quote name='Quillion']Don't be an idiot. The post he pointed to was an attempt at intelligent discussion of racism. Dude's complaint was akin to calling myke a "linoleum hater" because he wanted to have a discussion about why the kitchen looks like shit.

Why don't you try actual defensible arguments in favor of the tea party? As in:

While it's a given that the Tea Party animus in a large part is fomented by a virulent combination of race and aggressive, partisan media (FOX News), I want to draw a distinction (and create a distance) between the "bad" Tea Party and the "good". I.E. the stated goals of the organization: A return to the balanced budget through a reduction in government spending.

It's also important to not be dismissive of the anger, because dismissive responses will only stoke the "They don't listen to REAL Americans!" subplot running through the movement. The anger must be defused and the (sometimes) valid complaints should be given a decent airing. If we're ever going to return to even-handed political discourse in this country.

Besides, we need to lower the rhetoric before something tragic happens.

How is that?[/QUOTE]

How is Obamas approval rating an intelligent discussion of racism? Do we talk about Bush's approval rating as an intelligent discussion of black racism towards white? You all want everything to be equal as do I but if a black man does something, you can't seem to stop yourself from asking "what did the white man think of it?". Isn't that subconciously racist in and of itself? Not everything has to do with race because the president is black. Do you really think that is hilary was president there wouldn't be a tea party? come on, douchebags think about it...
 
[quote name='Knoell']How is Obamas approval rating an intelligent discussion of racism? Do we talk about Bush's approval rating as an intelligent discussion of black racism towards white? You all want everything to be equal as do I but if a black man does something, you can't seem to stop yourself from asking "what did the white man think of it?". Isn't that subconciously racist in and of itself? Not everything has to do with race because the president is black. Do you really think that is hilary was president there wouldn't be a tea party? come on, douchebags think about it...[/QUOTE]

*looks back to the first Clinton and sees no tea party*
Nor did I see them under Bush who ran up the deficit.

Honestly, your just trying to justify ignorance...with ignorance.

BTW calling people douchebag....thats a great debate tactic.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']BTW calling people douchebag....thats a great debate tactic.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, it's pretty much in line with how many of the people here carry on a conversation.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']To be fair, it's pretty much in line with how many of the people here carry on a conversation.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, personal attacks come after shrugging off several rounds of new and valid information.

When customers act like that, I say they are impervious to the truth.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']To be fair, personal attacks come after shrugging off several rounds of new and valid information.

When customers act like that, I say they are impervious to the truth.[/QUOTE]

"Turn and walk away." Best advice I've ever been given.
 
[quote name='Knoell']How is Obamas approval rating an intelligent discussion of racism? Do we talk about Bush's approval rating as an intelligent discussion of black racism towards white? You all want everything to be equal as do I but if a black man does something, you can't seem to stop yourself from asking "what did the white man think of it?". Isn't that subconciously racist in and of itself? Not everything has to do with race because the president is black. Do you really think that is hilary was president there wouldn't be a tea party? come on, douchebags think about it...[/QUOTE]
You missed the point of myke's post. He was commenting on the disapproval rating and the huge difference between Obama's and past presidents. I have a direct correlation for you.

Kanye West famously claimed during the Katrina telethon: "George Bush doesn't care about Black People." He has been isolated and, for example, was not invited to the Haiti Telethon.

Glenn Beck claimed: "Barack Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people." He still has his show, and continues to be lauded for "speaking truth to power."

Are you really naive enough to believe that there is no racist component to the "Tea Party" movement at all, and that the individuals holding the signs are completely isolated, and/or liberal plants to make the rest of the Real Americans look bad? Because if the weight of prevailing evidence can't convince you of race as at least an aggravating factor, then you are clearly of deficient mental capacity, and there's no need for further discussion.

That is not an ad hominem, it is a conclusion based on your inability to accept simple evidence and generate understanding.
 
[quote name='phantasyx']All I have to say is Sarah Palin = Anti-Christ. Nuff said[/QUOTE]
Nope. The Whore of Babylon. The media (Fox News) is the seven headed-ten horned beast she rides that devours her young.

Do your own research to back that up.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']"Turn and walk away." Best advice I've ever been given.[/QUOTE]

I'm working on it. I'll be taking the second half of my CCNA next week if the wife gives me enough free time.
 
Anyone have any photos of Tea baggers that were of another color?

If the TBs stood for small government and balanced budgets, it seems like there would be colors of all people to rally on it.
 
If anything good can be said of Eric Massa A) it is getting people to realize what snorkeling is and how disgusting it is, and B) “You can’t show up at a ‘tea party’ rally and claim that the entire budget deficit happened this year.”

Knoell, you might say 'ARGH no one is claiming point B' but let me know where the tea party people were when Bush was president.

I understand the tea party is against big Gov't, spending, etc. My issue is where were these people during the Bush years.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']*looks back to the first Clinton and sees no tea party*
Nor did I see them under Bush who ran up the deficit.

Honestly, your just trying to justify ignorance...with ignorance.

BTW calling people douchebag....thats a great debate tactic.[/QUOTE]

First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"

Secondly Clinton balanced the budget didn't he?

Third the tea party did exist in Bushs final years, some say the tea party was a direct result of BUSH running up the deficit while obama continued the trend....

Get your facts straight before you call someone ignorant.
 
[quote name='Quillion']You missed the point of myke's post. He was commenting on the disapproval rating and the huge difference between Obama's and past presidents. I have a direct correlation for you.

Kanye West famously claimed during the Katrina telethon: "George Bush doesn't care about Black People." He has been isolated and, for example, was not invited to the Haiti Telethon.

Glenn Beck claimed: "Barack Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people." He still has his show, and continues to be lauded for "speaking truth to power."

Are you really naive enough to believe that there is no racist component to the "Tea Party" movement at all, and that the individuals holding the signs are completely isolated, and/or liberal plants to make the rest of the Real Americans look bad? Because if the weight of prevailing evidence can't convince you of race as at least an aggravating factor, then you are clearly of deficient mental capacity, and there's no need for further discussion.

That is not an ad hominem, it is a conclusion based on your inability to accept simple evidence and generate understanding.[/QUOTE]

"Barack Obama has a deep-seated hatred of white people."

Ok, so wait wait wait a second.... You people sit here and call people racist all the time with no foundation, but Glenn beck does it in the context of the police case in which obama said the police acted stupidly, before he even found out all the facts, and you call beck a racist? Then everyone in this thread who call the tea party a racist party are racist themselves. Beck may have worded it screwy and the media seems to like to take just the racist sounding part for their clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndc2LX2u98&feature=related
vs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html


Which one has the whole story? The first one is the whole clip, and what Beck was saying is that you would of never heard a white president say "well of course he was breaking into the house, he was black". So why did Obama say the white police officers were acting stupidly in the case? he wasnt blindsided by the question, he actually approved it beforehand.

Beck may have worded it very badly, and we all know Obama doesnt hate white people, but he has a point, why would the president make such a comment?

What evidence are you speaking of that condemns the majority of the tea party as racist? A few signs? Racist name calling? Until the tea party puts in effect a racist policy, or advocate racism out right, I see no reason to condemn a party that has absolutely nothing to do with RACE. Get it through your heads, that they want less government spending across the board, not the legalization of slavery. Those two things are so far from each other, you guys are ridiculous.

I am committed to pretending the anti war movement was not just prone to violence, but condoned and enacted violence because there was a million times more "evidence" there as here.
 
[quote name='xycury']Anyone have any photos of Tea baggers that were of another color?

If the TBs stood for small government and balanced budgets, it seems like there would be colors of all people to rally on it.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='Knoell']How is Obamas approval rating an intelligent discussion of racism? Do we talk about Bush's approval rating as an intelligent discussion of black racism towards white?[/QUOTE]

You don't understand data analysis. Donnie, you're out of your element.

[quote name='UncleBob']"Turn and walk away." Best advice I've ever been given.[/QUOTE]

Best advice you've never followed. I applaud those of you who've tried to instill that in you, though it's clearly failed miserably.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Which one has the whole story? The first one is the whole clip, and what Beck was saying is that you would of never heard a white president say "well of course he was breaking into the house, he was black". So why did Obama say the white police officers were acting stupidly in the case? he wasnt blindsided by the question, he actually approved it beforehand.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't Obama a good friend of the Prof. Gates? Isn't it like saying 'oh I know that guy he's my friend theres no way he would do those things the accuser must be wrong?'
 
[quote name='IRHari']Wasn't Obama a good friend of the Prof. Gates? Isn't it like saying 'oh I know that guy he's my friend theres no way he would do those things the accuser must be wrong?'[/QUOTE]

He did not say that though....he said the police acted stupidly when they were simply doing their job. Obama knew it was a racially charged argument.

Shortly before 1 p.m. on July 16, Cambridge, Massachusetts police responded to the report of a “break in” in progress at a local residence on Ware St. The officer who responded was in the process of heading up the front steps of the residence when a woman on a sidewalk-a nearby neighbor-called out. She held up a cellphone and stated that she was the one who reported the attempted break-in after seeing one of two black males appearing to use his shoulder to “force” the front door in. The officer observed an older man standing “inside the foyer” through the glass panes of the front door. The officer asked the man to “step outside” and “speak” with the officer. The man allegedly replied “no I will not” then demanded to know who the officer was. The officer told the man that he was “Sgt. Crowley from the Cambridge Police” and that he was “investigating a report of a break in in progress”. According to Officer Crowley, the man opened the door then “exclaimed “why, because I’m a black man in America?”. The officer then asked if there were anyone else in the residence. The man allegedly yelled that it was “none” of the officer’s “business” and that the officer was “racist”. The man then picked up a cordless phone and dialed a number. The officer overheard the man tell the person on the phone to “get the chief” or “what’s the chief’s name?”. The man was also overheard saying “I’m dealing with a racist police officer” in his home. The man then turned to the officer and stated the officer “had no idea who he was dealing with” and that the officer “had not heard the ‘last of it’”. The officer asked the man for identification in order to verify the man was the owner of the residence. The man initially refused then supplied a Harvard University Identification card. The officer radioed for the Harvard University police then prepared to leave. The man demanded once again for the Officer’s name. While the officer tried to respond the man continued to yell at him, accusing the officer of being “racist” and that the man “wasn’t someone to mess with”. The officer then told the man that if he wanted any more answers he had to follow the officer outside. The man responded: “ya, I’ll speak with your momma outside”.

Then Obama said:

“THE PRESIDENT: Well, I should say at the outset that “Skip” Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don’t know all the facts. What’s been reported, though, is that the guy forgot his keys, jimmied his way to get into the house, there was a report called into the police station that there might be a burglary taking place — so far, so good, right? I mean, if I was trying to jigger into — well, I guess this is my house now so — (laughter) — it probably wouldn’t happen. But let’s say my old house in Chicago — (laughter) — here I’d get shot. (Laughter.)
But so far, so good. They’re reporting — the police are doing what they should. There’s a call, they go investigate what happens. My understanding is at that point Professor Gates is already in his house. The police officer comes in, I’m sure there’s some exchange of words, but my understanding is, is that Professor Gates then shows his ID to show that this is his house. And at that point, he gets arrested for disorderly conduct — charges which are later dropped.
Now, I don’t know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that, but I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge Police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That’s just a fact.”
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[quote name='President Obama']I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That’s just a fact.
[/QUOTE]

What part of that isn't true?

[quote name='Knoell']He did not say that though....he said the police acted stupidly when they were simply doing their job. Obama knew it was a racially charged argument.[/QUOTE]

Read between the lines, jesus. It's his friend, and of course he's going to defend him. Remember heckuvajob brownie? As a vanilla face, you have no idea what it's like to be a chocolate face. There is a race element in play.

You're really good at derailing threads btw. I'll bite the bait though, this is interesting.
 
[quote name='IRHari']What part of that isn't true?



Read between the lines, jesus. It's his friend, and of course he's going to defend him. Remember heckuvajob brownie? As a vanilla face, you have no idea what it's like to be a chocolate face. There is a race element in play.

You're really good at derailing threads btw. I'll bite the bait though, this is interesting.[/QUOTE]

He assumed that the entire situation was based on racism and profiling. The President of the United States has no business commenting on such news stories, regardless of friend or foe, and especially when he does not have all of the facts, or the whole story. End of story.

Who ever said I was a vanilla face, or a chocolate face?
 
That's not true at all, that was one of three points.

My point of vanilla/chocolate face is that you have no idea what it's like to be a black man in America, and you have no idea what they experience even in this day and age. Racism is still alive. There is still a disproportionate amount of blacks/latinos stopped by law enforcement.

Not talking about the tea party, so don't try to strahmanbrah.
 
[quote name='Knoell']First, how can you claim prior non-existance to devalue a movement? I am sure the civil rights movement would love that. "Well, there was no movement to free the slaves before, so why is it relavent now?"[/quote]

The civil rights movement was not about freeing slaves.

[quote name='Knoell']Secondly Clinton balanced the budget didn't he?[/quote]

If you don't mind using Social Security money to cover deficits, then yes. If you do mind and realize that this is actually borrowing, then no.

[quote name='Knoell']Third the tea party did exist in Bushs final years, some say the tea party was a direct result of BUSH running up the deficit while obama continued the trend....[/QUOTE]

The tea party did not exist during the Bush administration at all. Sure, it is partly a result of the idiotic economic policies followed by Bush in his last few months in office, but there was no movement until Rick Santelli of CNBC (who can be described pretty fairly as the founder of the tea party movement) came up with the idea on the air. Look it up.

Certainly none of the Republican people who are attempting to hijack the tea party movement (people like Dick Armey and Sarah Palin) were up in arms over the profligate performance of the Bush administration and the Republican (later Democratic, with little change in this regard) Congress. They supported Bush, of course, since they are Republicans and party people.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']The civil rights movement was not about freeing slaves.



If you don't mind using Social Security money to cover deficits, then yes. If you do mind and realize that this is actually borrowing, then no.



The tea party did not exist during the Bush administration at all. Sure, it is partly a result of the idiotic economic policies followed by Bush in his last few months in office, but there was no movement until Rick Santelli of CNBC (who can be described pretty fairly as the founder of the tea party movement) came up with the idea on the air. Look it up.

Certainly none of the Republican people who are attempting to hijack the tea party movement (people like Dick Armey and Sarah Palin) were up in arms over the profligate performance of the Bush administration and the Republican (later Democratic, with little change in this regard) Congress. They supported Bush, of course, since they are Republicans and party people.[/QUOTE]

Ron Paul's terro... supporters also threw a "Tea Party" ... party? ... by participating in a money bomb during his 2007 presidential campaign.

Not too many people advocating the same stuff that crowd did in today's movement, though.
 
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