Official 2011-12 NFL Regular Season Thread

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[quote name='bvharris']Keep telling yourself that.

I mean, I'm not going to tell you not to believe in your team. After all they just beat a team that everyone thought they had no business beating. Could they do it again? Of course.

But the Patriots just beat the piss out of the Broncos a month ago, in Denver. This is a gigantic mismatch on paper. So if you think the Broncos are likely to win, which you seem to, you have no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]Satan thought he had Jesus beat when he was on the cross, too . . .
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']fuck, now the Tebow hype continues...[/QUOTE]

Considering that after the game, NFL Primetime had a 55min/5min split of the two games today for the one hour slot they have to fill, it's going to be a long week.
 
[quote name='Dendaman']Considering that after the game, NFL Primetime had a 55min/5min split of the two games today for the one hour slot they have to fill, it's going to be a long week.[/QUOTE]

I think that's actually a fair balance given the gap in entertainment value between the two games. That ATL-NYG game was brutal to watch.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']That was definitely a great game by Tebow to take advantage of the worst game that the best pass defense has had all year long.[/QUOTE]

I think it was a terrible defensive gameplan by the Steelers. Their safeties were playing way too close in to stack against the run, figuring Tebow couldn't beat them deep even if they played man on the outside. Clearly they were wrong. For all his passing foibles, Tebow throws a nice deep ball when he has time, which he did tonight (a lot of that owing to all the injuries to the Steelers front 7). Polamalu looked terrible all game, constantly over committing on anything that looked like it might be short.

Basically, the Steelers said "we don't think Tim Tebow can beat us, let's make them play smashmouth football" and they paid for it.

The Patriots aren't going to make that same mistake though, their safeties play deeper than anyone (they need to, that's how bad they've been). The way to beat the Pats through the air is picking apart the soft middle of their zone, and I'm not sure Tebow has the accuracy to do that consistently. We'll see.
 
Ha I bet that Tebow win mess up Billicheat game plan up. Now he's sitting on illegal tapes for a team that their not going to play against. HAHA. NO, I just hate him. Go Tebow
 
Skip Bayless gonna have a field day -sigh-

Even though i dont like the Steelers that much, that team that played today was so injury riddled it isnt even funny, they were in worse shape than last years Packers heading into the postseason. At least Rodgers manage to recover in time from his concussion and play with most of his weapons sans Finley in route to the Super Bowl. The fact that Hobblesburger manage to almost come back and actually win that game barring that bad fumble possession speaks volumes. Doubt that same magic is happening against a healthy Brady in Foxboro even with a terrible secondary.

ps. LOL to the Fraudcons I wonder when will they realize Matty ice just isn't the guy.
 
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Until the game winning TD, I never really thought Pittsburgh would lose. It's just one of those games that always seems to turn in the favor of those types of teams. I think the Steelers Defense gave Tebow no respect throughout the entire game and he burned them badly for it.
 
[quote name='renique46']Skip Bayless gonna have a field day -sigh-

Even though i dont like the Steelers that much, that team that played today was so injury riddled it isnt even funny, they were in worse shape than last years Packers heading into the postseason. At least Rodgers manage to recover in time from his concussion and play with most of his weapons sans Finley in route to the Super Bowl. The fact that Hobblesburger manage to almost come back and actually win that game barring that bad fumble possession speaks volumes. Doubt that same magic is happening against a healthy Brady in Foxboro even with a terrible secondary.

ps. LOL to the Fraudcons I wonder when will they realize Matty ice just isn't the guy.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Matty Ice's playoff record 0-3, Tebow 1-0. The "Ice Man" has had some much better teams to work with as well. I feel bad for Tony Gonzales. He left KC to get a chance at a Superbowl before the end of his career and it's the same old crap. He's on a team that can't win a playoff game.
 
[quote name='usickenme']Actually Denver played NE well last time and lost because of turnovers. Plus we usually play them well and have a chance to beat Josh McDumbass[/QUOTE]

McDumbass drafted both ends of that game winning combo. You didn't give him nearly enough time to set his program into place
 
My party exploded when Tebow made that throw, what a way to end the game.
I live in packer country (WI) and everyone is talking about Tebow non-stop. You'd think our season is over already.
 
Man, the refs were awful this week across the board. They just love blowing plays dead.

Also what I will don't understand is why the refs don't always give someone a TD if it is questionable (like the Stafford/pylon play). If they rule it a TD on the field, then as a scoring play it gets automatically reviewed. If not, a coach will have to waste a challenge. I mean you could argue that it becomes harder to overturn but if you aren't sure at the time of the call then what is the difference. If you are 1000% sure that it isn't a TD then call it that way and there won't be an issue.
 
Well, this should be an interesting game come this weekend...
As much as I hate both teams, I'd rather the Broncos win and hopefully play the Texans!
 
[quote name='Javery']Man, the refs were awful this week across the board. They just love blowing plays dead.

Also what I will don't understand is why the refs don't always give someone a TD if it is questionable (like the Stafford/pylon play). If they rule it a TD on the field, then as a scoring play it gets automatically reviewed. If not, a coach will have to waste a challenge. I mean you could argue that it becomes harder to overturn but if you aren't sure at the time of the call then what is the difference. If you are 1000% sure that it isn't a TD then call it that way and there won't be an issue.[/QUOTE]

NFL should just adopt the college review system with having an official in the booth who's reviewing every play and radioing down if there's something that needs looked at.
 
[quote name='jlarlee']McDumbass drafted both ends of that game winning combo. You didn't give him nearly enough time to set his program into place[/QUOTE]

he doesn't deserve any. Tebow didn't start until he was gone. This was Thomas' best game and McDaniels passed on Dez Bryant to get him. He reached for Tebow and Moreno the previous year. He traded too many picks for NE cast offs like Laurence Maroney.

plus it is only one play. Yes, I'm glad they won but lets not get crazy.
 
[quote name='usickenme']he doesn't deserve any. Tebow didn't start until he was gone. This was Thomas' best game and McDaniels passed on Dez Bryant to get him. He reached for Tebow and Moreno the previous year. He traded too many picks for NE cast offs like Laurence Maroney.

plus it is only one play. Yes, I'm glad they won but lets not get crazy.[/QUOTE]

Actually didn't Thomas have a few pretty big games down the stretch in the regular season? I seem to remember like 140 + 2 TDs against Minn (when the bastard was on my FF bench :bomb:)
 
[quote name='jlarlee']McDumbass drafted both ends of that game winning combo. You didn't give him nearly enough time to set his program into place[/QUOTE]
If they gave him enough time, he'd have traded the entire team away for some magic beans.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']If they gave him enough time, he'd have traded the entire team away for some magic beans.[/QUOTE]

To be fair he was cleaning up the mess from shanahan. Drafting cutler in the first place was a mistake. That pick should have been used on secondary help. Two years isn't enough to fix the shitfest shanahan left him.
 
He traded their top QB, RB, WR, and TE during his time there and left the team in much worse shape than when he got there. A couple of good draft picks doesn't make up for a bad defense with no depth and a one-note offense that can't run at all with such fragile backs that can't stay healthy.
 
Is holding not called in the NFL anymore? The lions game was brutal because of the non called holding, I then watched some of the Broncos highlights and a lot of these extended plays are clearly holding. That one where he hit someone on the sideline for 30 yards he was standing in the pocket for 15 seconds....I thought it was just a given that if a QB his more than 8 or 9 seconds it PROBABLY because of a hold.

It seems like there is far less holding all of a sudden.
 
I'm pretty sure there's holding on, at the very least, one third of the plays in every game. It just depends on how bad it is for the refs to call.

The Broncos were blatantly holding on a ton of plays. There was one where they showed a replay of Tebow looking for a wideout on an extended play and the lineman actually had his arm hooked under Harrison's neck holding him back because Harrison got around to the side of him. The ref is standing right there and doesn't call despite looking directly at it.

It almost seems like a lineman has to tackle a rusher to the ground before it's called anymore. Even that doesn't always draw a penalty.

I had a similar discussion with my Dad a few months ago and he said that lineman used to be taught to keep their elbows straight out and fists together to encourage keeping their hands to the inside, but they don't seem to do it that way any longer. Once they started keeping their hands further and further apart, holding became much more common.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']There is holding on every single play, it just depends on if the ref calls it or not.[/QUOTE]

This. And it's been the case since the league's inception. I think right now it's magnified because they are so busy concentrating on the QB not getting touched so much that they are missing it more.
 
I know but what I am saying is the lack of holding calls all of a sudden.

What I am saying is this, passing attempts have gone up 3 fold...people are passing the ball 35-50 times a game. That should of course increase the amount of holding calls also. Yet it seems like this year it has gone down which would be impossible. Again, apparently refs have just decided that holding on pass attempts is a ok.


And of course they have their golden boys, Brees, Brady, now Timmy. Its hilarious how the rules change so greatly depending on if you are the leagues chosen one. Its either the olinemen have become some of the greatest blockers in the history of football or its more proof that the refs just call what they want to help one team.
 
Also, really quick. What is the new OT rules? I thought both teams got a shot at the football? Then I find out its if you score a TD then the game is over but if you kick a FG it keeps going? That is fucking stupid. You dont want to end the game on a FG because thats cheap but a score is a score. You already push the kickoff up so that there is no real hope for a return so each team still has to start on the 20 and go 40-50 yards to get in range.

Ugh..the league is so ADD friendly. Every rule is added to get more and more offense and highlight plays. I cant stand it.
 
Agree that the new overtime rule is stupid. I vastly prefer the college system. At the least they should give both teams at least one possession regardless of what the team that gets the ball first.

However, that gripe doesn't seem to fit with your complaint about focusing on offense as giving each team a possession is giving more chances to score and generate highlight plays.

In any case, I personally hate defensive football. I'm not a diehard football fan in general, and really only find higher scoring games entertaining. One of many reasons I'm a bigger fan of college football than the NFL as outside of the SEC it's a lot more offensive minded.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I know but what I am saying is the lack of holding calls all of a sudden.[/QUOTE]

Did you see Nicks getting completely mugged in the end zone while standing RIGHT NEXT TO THE REF? The CB had his arm wrapped completely around Nicks's waist and tugged on his jersey several times and then before the pass arrived he basically tackled him. FOX showed the view from the back of the end zone right before going to a commercial or something and it was crazy. One of the most blatant non-calls I've ever seen. Awful.

[quote name='Soodmeg']Ugh..the league is so ADD friendly. Every rule is added to get more and more offense and highlight plays. I cant stand it.[/QUOTE]

I hate where the NFL has been headed for the last 5-10 years or so. Way way way too much offense. Scoring is exciting and everything but so is great defense. A 27-24 game is just about perfect but way too many teams are routinely scoring 30+. The Saints/Lions game was awful. The Lions might as well not have even been on the field. The Saints should have scored 60. Let the defense play!!
 
Ugg Dmaul, I died a little inside from you saying that. Offensive football isnt actually football and it defiantly isnt NFL football. High scores can be fond in Arena football which is why all of there rules are different.

I dont even view college sports as a real sport. Its the worst thing in the world. You spend half your season vs people who are not even in the same league as you. Wow it sure was fun watching Bama beat some D3 school by 60 points.

This season was the worst season in the history of the league. You got barely above average QB throwing for 4k yards....disgusting and its across most sports now. It reminds me when Michael Jordan said that if he had played in this era he would average 60 + points a game. Ug I cant stand this kiddie version of American sports.
 
Just different strokes for different folks. I grew up in a state with no pro sports teams, so college sports were the big thing.

And I'm just not much of a football fan in general really. I like it if it's a shoot out, but otherwise defensive games bore me and there's just too much time in between plays, too many time outs etc.

Basketball is the only sport I'm really still pretty seriously interested in watching regularly. And I like both college and the NBA there.

Football I pretty much just watch the NFL if the Raiders are decent (and don't even watch all their games then) and watch all WVU's games in years they're good.

And college football teams don't spend half their season against teams in lower leagues. You can only play one game a year against an FCS team. Teams play 8-10 conference games (other than Big East which only has 8 football teams since 2004), 1 lower division team and the rest are either other major conference teams, or D1 mid majors (i.e. MAC, Conference USA, MWC etc.).
 
You guys know Montana was dropping 50's on teams in the early 80's right?

Also, Super Bowls up until about the year 2000 were horrible. Usually an insane blowout with a few exceptions. The product is so much better now in that regard.

Did the league change rules so that the quarterback is protected? Yes. But do you guys wanna see a league where backups play? It would be terrible. And if you let guys like Harrison knock Brady and Rodgers out of games with Helmet hits, that's what you'd get.

You want defense? Get coaches to do what the 49ers are doing. Make guys re-learn how to TACKLE.

It's not as crazy as you guys are making it out to be.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Just different strokes for different folks. I grew up in a state with no pro sports teams, so college sports were the big thing.

And I'm just not much of a football fan in general really. I like it if it's a shoot out, but otherwise defensive games bore me and there's just too much time in between plays, too many time outs etc.

Basketball is the only sport I'm really still pretty seriously interested in watching regularly. And I like both college and the NBA there.

Football I pretty much just watch the NFL if the Raiders are decent (and don't even watch all their games then) and watch all WVU's games in years they're good.

And college football teams don't spend half their season against teams in lower leagues. You can only play one game a year against an FCS team. Teams play 8-10 conference games (other than Big East which only has 8 football teams since 2004), 1 lower division team and the rest are either other major conference teams, or D1 mid majors (i.e. MAC, Conference USA, MWC etc.).[/QUOTE]

$$$$a plz!

Here is Bama record this season. Yeah, thats some real competition there. For the teams that matter in college they blow out virtually everyone they play against, for me it just turns into a big circle jerk of how awesome you are where the excitement if you know for a fact 99.9% your team will win easily. Especially because it a result of cheating in every degree possible anyway. (Note that any of this matters because as you said you can like what you want....just saying)

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[quote name='DestroVega']You guys know Montana was dropping 50's on teams in the early 80's right?[/QUOTE]

Not all the time! By my count his teams only did this 3 times with the 49ers including once in the Super Bowl.

[quote name='DestroVega']Also, Super Bowls up until about the year 2000 were horrible. Usually an insane blowout with a few exceptions. The product is so much better now in that regard. [/QUOTE]

Agreed but parity is a result of drafting, collective bargaining and the free agency system - it has nothing to do with playing defense.

[quote name='DestroVega']Did the league change rules so that the quarterback is protected? Yes. But do you guys wanna see a league where backups play? It would be terrible. And if you let guys like Harrison knock Brady and Rodgers out of games with Helmet hits, that's what you'd get.[/QUOTE]

Agreed - no one wants this but 10 years ago this wasn't the case. Maybe guys are too strong now and it's easier to injure someone? I don't know but it seems like there were the same amount of injuries to QBs back in the day. Even Hostetler won a SB in 1990-1991 when Simms went down. Also, I don't think the high scoring is because of the QB rules (although they definitely help) - it is because you can't cover anyone anymore. Jerry Rice used to be the only WR that could run a clean route without getting bumped because he was awesome - now guys are running free on every play.

[quote name='DestroVega']You want defense? Get coaches to do what the 49ers are doing. Make guys re-learn how to TACKLE.

It's not as crazy as you guys are making it out to be.[/QUOTE]

I do think fundamentals (tackling) are lacking but there is definitely a problem when 4 of the 6 best passing seasons of all time happen in one year.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']$$$$a plz!

Here is Bama record this season. Yeah, thats some real competition there. For the teams that matter in college they blow out virtually everyone they play against, for me it just turns into a big circle jerk of how awesome you are where the excitement if you know for a fact 99.9% your team will win easily. Especially because it a result of cheating in every degree possible anyway. (Note that any of this matters because as you said you can like what you want....just saying)

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Scores not being close doesn't change that you're wrong in saying they play half their games against lower division teams.

The only lower division team Bama played was Georgia Southern. Their other non-conference games were Kent State (MAC), North Texas (Sun Belt) and Penn State (Big 10). The rest were against SEC teams.

Granted Kent State and North Texas suck. But still, that's just 3 games out of 14 against lesser conference/division teams.

And having a lot of blow outs is no different that teams like NO, NE, and GB blowing out a ton of teams on their schedule in the NFL this year.


But like I said, just different strokes for different folks. I'll never be diehard into pro sports. Hate how it's all about the money and a bunch of whiny millionaires bitching about everything, and I just prefer all the traditions and rivalries of the college games. But my interest there has declined as well as major college sports have also became all about the money and the notion of a "student-athlete" is largely a farce at top level programs.
 
[quote name='Javery']
I do think fundamentals (tackling) are lacking but there is definitely a problem when 4 of the 6 best passing seasons of all time happen in one year.[/QUOTE]

That can also just be due to the shift in offensive schemes.

A lot of teams run pass first offenses now both in college and the NFL, when football used to be about grinding it out on the ground and winning time of possession etc.

Even the west coast offenses which were very pass happy really just subsituted short passes for running plays, so that didn't up passing yards all that much compared to all the downfield passing in today's game.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']You guys know Montana was dropping 50's on teams in the early 80's right?

Also, Super Bowls up until about the year 2000 were horrible. Usually an insane blowout with a few exceptions. The product is so much better now in that regard.

Did the league change rules so that the quarterback is protected? Yes. But do you guys wanna see a league where backups play? It would be terrible. And if you let guys like Harrison knock Brady and Rodgers out of games with Helmet hits, that's what you'd get.

You want defense? Get coaches to do what the 49ers are doing. Make guys re-learn how to TACKLE.

It's not as crazy as you guys are making it out to be.[/QUOTE]


Yeah its because Montana is roughly a 20x better than people can comprehend. He was doing it while defensive where allowed to actually play.

Also whats crazy is that you are brainwashed into thinking QB where getting killed left and right. It was never about QB getting hurt it was about Golden Boys getting hurt. No one gives a fuck if T-Jack gets knocked out they only care if Tom Brady gets hurt. Thats the problem. You changed the rules for something that rarely happens and when it does its mostly because its a contact sport. How and look at this, it just so happens that the BEST qbs in the league are all on teams with the shittiest defensive? Wonder why that is. I wonder how Greenbay can be last in defense, Pats be 2nd to last NO be 24th Det be 23rd, G-,men are 27th. Odd, huh. 49ers are great on defense but they are not even the best in the league so what are you talking about re-learning? Their 4th...and not by much. You act like they just reinvented the wheel.

They are clearly going overboard in protecting the QB. You changed the entire realm of the game to protect 1 person and the 1 position that benefits most from them (WR).


I think it more of the fact that when teams vs these golden boys they are not allowed to play defense even within the rules. How do you explain 50 pass attempt no holding calls?


Also, Dmaul it doesnt matter....if you play an entire season in which you blow out all your opponents by 20 points it doesnt matter what you label them they are clearly inferior to you. It doesnt matter if you are from the MAC or the Big East or whatever...play better teams.
 
Oh yeah I forgot, San Fran is 16th in Passing defense. Which makes your point completely worthless since we were talking about how easy it is to pass the ball now a days.
 
[quote name='Javery']Did you see Nicks getting completely mugged in the end zone while standing RIGHT NEXT TO THE REF? The CB had his arm wrapped completely around Nicks's waist and tugged on his jersey several times and then before the pass arrived he basically tackled him. FOX showed the view from the back of the end zone right before going to a commercial or something and it was crazy. One of the most blatant non-calls I've ever seen. Awful.



I hate where the NFL has been headed for the last 5-10 years or so. Way way way too much offense. Scoring is exciting and everything but so is great defense. A 27-24 game is just about perfect but way too many teams are routinely scoring 30+. The Saints/Lions game was awful. The Lions might as well not have even been on the field. The Saints should have scored 60. Let the defense play!![/QUOTE]The scoring is going so out of control it's approaching the college game especially when it comes to a good team playing a shitty team. Before it would be a closer score but now it's a blowout and not entertaining. If the NFL isn't careful it's going to turn into Arena football.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']ESPN is reporting Oakland has fired Hue Jackson.[/QUOTE]

This makes no sense. Man, the Raiders are completely effed up with or without Al Davis. Hue Jackson has been the coach for 5 minutes and he is probably the only person who believes Carson Palmer is the answer (and he mortgaged the future to get him). What are they going to do now?
 
[quote name='Javery']This makes no sense. Man, the Raiders are completely effed up with or without Al Davis. Hue Jackson has been the coach for 5 minutes and he is probably the only person who believes Carson Palmer is the answer (and he mortgaged the future to get him). What are they going to do now?[/QUOTE]

Sounds like the new GM wants to bring in his own guy, an assistant from the Packers
 
Will he keep Palmer or start over yet again (and without any upcoming draft picks)? It just doesn't make sense at this point in time to make a switch.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Oh yeah I forgot, San Fran is 16th in Passing defense. Which makes your point completely worthless since we were talking about how easy it is to pass the ball now a days.[/QUOTE]
They're 16th in passing yardage, and 8th in passing TD's. The reason teams get so many yards from them is because SF has one of, if not the best defensive starting field positions. Opponents have had tons of yards to make up. There's a reason the niner's kicker and punter are both First team All-Pro this year.
 
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