[quote name='Javery']Will he keep Palmer or start over yet again (and without any upcoming draft picks)? It just doesn't make sense at this point in time to make a switch.[/QUOTE]He probably has to keep him. I doubt Palmer has any trade value and they can't cut him after the king's ransom Hue paid the get Palmer.
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[quote name='Javery']This makes no sense. Man, the Raiders are completely effed up with or without Al Davis. Hue Jackson has been the coach for 5 minutes and he is probably the only person who believes Carson Palmer is the answer (and he mortgaged the future to get him). What are they going to do now?[/QUOTE]
Jackson had to go. He wanted more control of the team since he essentially was the GM this year. Once Davis died the reports were Jackson was basically running the entire franchise. It wasn't gonna work out.
In the end it's for the best, the new GM from Green Bay will hire someone from the Packers and they will set a good foundation.
Jackson had to go. He wanted more control of the team since he essentially was the GM this year. Once Davis died the reports were Jackson was basically running the entire franchise. It wasn't gonna work out.
In the end it's for the best, the new GM from Green Bay will hire someone from the Packers and they will set a good foundation.
[quote name='Javery']This makes no sense. Man, the Raiders are completely effed up with or without Al Davis. Hue Jackson has been the coach for 5 minutes and he is probably the only person who believes Carson Palmer is the answer (and he mortgaged the future to get him). What are they going to do now?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely absurd if true. Jackson is a good coach IMO. I liked our chances going into next year with him in his second year, Palmer having a full off season and camp with the team etc.
Just lame.
I was fine with the Palmer deal personally. He just turned 32 in December so he still has a few good years left barring major injury. There just wasn't any better option out there. Jason Campbell is mediocre, there aren't any big time free agent QBs coming available this year, and outside of Luck and maybe RGIII the draft is shallow on QBs this year--and the Raider's would have picked too late to get either of them anyway.
I think they gave up a tad much, but since the missed the playoffs it just ended up as their first rounder this year and 2nd rounder next year. Not the end of the world with how bad the Raiders tend to reach with picks in the first two rounds anyway!
Absolutely absurd if true. Jackson is a good coach IMO. I liked our chances going into next year with him in his second year, Palmer having a full off season and camp with the team etc.
Just lame.
I was fine with the Palmer deal personally. He just turned 32 in December so he still has a few good years left barring major injury. There just wasn't any better option out there. Jason Campbell is mediocre, there aren't any big time free agent QBs coming available this year, and outside of Luck and maybe RGIII the draft is shallow on QBs this year--and the Raider's would have picked too late to get either of them anyway.
I think they gave up a tad much, but since the missed the playoffs it just ended up as their first rounder this year and 2nd rounder next year. Not the end of the world with how bad the Raiders tend to reach with picks in the first two rounds anyway!
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It's amazing to see Oakland fire coaches that have gotten them to the point where they're a good, competitive team after all of their terrible years after the Super Bowl. You'd think that they'd hold onto one of them when they start winning half of their games and see if he could push them even further.
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Fun deal that missing the playoffs this year kept Oakland from losing even more draft picks. Whoever they bring in might as well keep Palmer as he's the best QB within their reach. Honestly if the team was a little more disciplined and reduced the ridiculous amount of penalties, they would have been a wildcard team this year.
Hopefully whoever they bring in next year builds on the team rather than pull another reset that has been commonplace with the Raiders.
Hopefully whoever they bring in next year builds on the team rather than pull another reset that has been commonplace with the Raiders.
[quote name='ced']Fun deal that missing the playoffs this year kept Oakland from losing even more draft picks.
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Well, technically I think the deal with the Bengals was that the 2013 2nd round pick became a first round pick if they made it to the AFC championship game.
Penalties were definitely a big part of it. But it was more just that the defense was god awful.
Blowing a 27-14 mid 4th quarter lead against the Lions. Blew a 21-3 2nd half lead against the Bills (and had retaken the lead a couple times to blow it again). Win either of those games and they would have won the AFC west.
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Well, technically I think the deal with the Bengals was that the 2013 2nd round pick became a first round pick if they made it to the AFC championship game.
Penalties were definitely a big part of it. But it was more just that the defense was god awful.
Blowing a 27-14 mid 4th quarter lead against the Lions. Blew a 21-3 2nd half lead against the Bills (and had retaken the lead a couple times to blow it again). Win either of those games and they would have won the AFC west.
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Penalties were definitely a big part of it. But it was more just that the defense was god awful.
Blowing a 27-14 mid 4th quarter lead against the Lions. Blew a 21-3 2nd half lead against the Bills (and had retaken the lead a couple times to blow it again). Win either of those games and they would have won the AFC west.[/QUOTE]
Exactly why they had to fire Hue. The team has no discipline, and hasn't had any discipline in I don't know how long--since the Howie Long days? (see what I did there?
) Nothing irks me more than watching stupid penalty after stupid penalty be committed. I've been irked a long time! Discipline starts and ends with the head coach. Period.
I, for one, welcome the change.
Penalties were definitely a big part of it. But it was more just that the defense was god awful.
Blowing a 27-14 mid 4th quarter lead against the Lions. Blew a 21-3 2nd half lead against the Bills (and had retaken the lead a couple times to blow it again). Win either of those games and they would have won the AFC west.[/QUOTE]
Exactly why they had to fire Hue. The team has no discipline, and hasn't had any discipline in I don't know how long--since the Howie Long days? (see what I did there?
) Nothing irks me more than watching stupid penalty after stupid penalty be committed. I've been irked a long time! Discipline starts and ends with the head coach. Period.I, for one, welcome the change.
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Don't understand what's taking Fischer so long to decide.
[quote name='keithp']Exactly why they had to fire Hue. The team has no discipline, and hasn't had any discipline in I don't know how long--since the Howie Long days? (see what I did there? ) Nothing irks me more than watching stupid penalty after stupid penalty be committed. I've been irked a long time! Discipline starts and ends with the head coach. Period.
I, for one, welcome the change.[/QUOTE]
I kind of agree. But it's hard to get discipline when you change coaches every year or two. Hard to get players to take a coach seriously when there's a new coach damn near every year.
) Nothing irks me more than watching stupid penalty after stupid penalty be committed. I've been irked a long time! Discipline starts and ends with the head coach. Period.I, for one, welcome the change.[/QUOTE]
I kind of agree. But it's hard to get discipline when you change coaches every year or two. Hard to get players to take a coach seriously when there's a new coach damn near every year.
[quote name='dmaul1114']I kind of agree. But it's hard to get discipline when you change coaches every year or two. Hard to get players to take a coach seriously when there's a new coach damn near every year.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. I'm hopeful with Al gone they can find some stability, even if it means a housecleaning to start with.
Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. I'm hopeful with Al gone they can find some stability, even if it means a housecleaning to start with.
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Oakland's been one of the most penalized, if not the most penalized, teams in the league each year of the past several years. It seems like more of an organizational issue with the revolving door of coaches and the way that Al Davis ran the team than it just being Hue Jackson's fault.
They're tied for first in most years leading the league in penalties with the Bears at 16 years (four years since 2003). If the pdf on nfl.com is up-to-date, they broke the record for most penalties in a season with 163 this year and they already had the #2 and #3 spots at 156.
They're tied for first in most years leading the league in penalties with the Bears at 16 years (four years since 2003). If the pdf on nfl.com is up-to-date, they broke the record for most penalties in a season with 163 this year and they already had the #2 and #3 spots at 156.
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Mock drafts on ESPN and CNNSI both have the Bears taking Michael Floyd out of ND. I like that pick but I'm not sure that Bears management are smart enough to do it.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7448807/jacksonville-jaguars-hire-mike-mularkey-coach
Mike Mularkey is the Jaguars' new coach.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...tenheimer-new-york-jets-offensive-coordinator
And looks like Tony Sporano will be the Jets new offensive coordinator. Though Todd Haley is apparently interviewing as well.
Mike Mularkey is the Jaguars' new coach.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...tenheimer-new-york-jets-offensive-coordinator
And looks like Tony Sporano will be the Jets new offensive coordinator. Though Todd Haley is apparently interviewing as well.
[quote name='DestroVega']Don't understand what's taking Fischer so long to decide.[/QUOTE]
Probably because he's trying to decide between a decent Miami team with no franchise QB that has to play the Pats and Jets 4 times a year (crappy option #1) and a horrible St. Louis team with a decent QB but still probably not "the guy" that gets to play in the crappy NFC West and that may or may not be relocating to god knows where in a year or two (crappy option #2).
Probably because he's trying to decide between a decent Miami team with no franchise QB that has to play the Pats and Jets 4 times a year (crappy option #1) and a horrible St. Louis team with a decent QB but still probably not "the guy" that gets to play in the crappy NFC West and that may or may not be relocating to god knows where in a year or two (crappy option #2).
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...ork-jets-love-mark-sanchez-eye-peyton-manning
Things are getting even uglier with the Jets. Now some players are anonymously bashing Sanchez.
Pretty lame for them to be slamming him anonymously. At least McElroy had the guts to publicly slam his teammates.
And the Sparano hiring is official now: http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...-jets-hire-tony-sparano-offensive-coordinator
Things are getting even uglier with the Jets. Now some players are anonymously bashing Sanchez.
Pretty lame for them to be slamming him anonymously. At least McElroy had the guts to publicly slam his teammates.
And the Sparano hiring is official now: http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...-jets-hire-tony-sparano-offensive-coordinator
What the 
is with these lazy-ass quarterbacks? McNabb, JaMarcus Russell, Sanchez, etc.
Not only do you have one of the best jobs possible, professional athlete, but you've got one of the easiest jobs on the field (aside from kicker, I suppose) and you can't bring yourself to practice and work out?
Ugh, it just bothers me that they have a job that requires little more than staying in shape in the off season and that probably requires the same amount of work throughout the year as a part time job and they still can't get their lazy-asses to work hard.
A little bit more on topic though, they're really gonna have to re-build that whole team at this point and look long and hard at trading Sanchez. I agree that it's kind of a dick move to bash your QB anonymously but on the same hand, if those feelings are there in the locker room they aren't gonna change.
is with these lazy-ass quarterbacks? McNabb, JaMarcus Russell, Sanchez, etc.Not only do you have one of the best jobs possible, professional athlete, but you've got one of the easiest jobs on the field (aside from kicker, I suppose) and you can't bring yourself to practice and work out?
Ugh, it just bothers me that they have a job that requires little more than staying in shape in the off season and that probably requires the same amount of work throughout the year as a part time job and they still can't get their lazy-asses to work hard.
A little bit more on topic though, they're really gonna have to re-build that whole team at this point and look long and hard at trading Sanchez. I agree that it's kind of a dick move to bash your QB anonymously but on the same hand, if those feelings are there in the locker room they aren't gonna change.
[quote name='dmaul1114']It all just shows that Rex Ryan is a shitty coach. He's totally lost control of this team, let the locker room deteriorate.
He's a dumb, loud mouthed, arrogant asshole, so it's not surprising that his players are being loud mouthed, arrogant assholes.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's very true as well. I'm kind of surprised there isn't any anonymous bashing of him as well like what was happening in Minnesota prior to firing Childress last year. Maybe that's the only thing keeping him from getting fired at this point?
He's a dumb, loud mouthed, arrogant asshole, so it's not surprising that his players are being loud mouthed, arrogant assholes.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's very true as well. I'm kind of surprised there isn't any anonymous bashing of him as well like what was happening in Minnesota prior to firing Childress last year. Maybe that's the only thing keeping him from getting fired at this point?
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Just a few things about the Jets and the unnamed sources.
The writer was on the radio and said without the unknown source aspect, they don't get the players to be honest. It is what it is.
The rookie QB on the other hand. He did that interview on a small radio station in the south and had no idea it would get picked up by larger media.
The writer was on the radio and said without the unknown source aspect, they don't get the players to be honest. It is what it is.
The rookie QB on the other hand. He did that interview on a small radio station in the south and had no idea it would get picked up by larger media.
I don't have a problem with the journalists running stories with unnamed players.
I have a problem with the cowardly players bashing a teammate without being willing to go on the record. If they want to slam him in the media, then do it on the record. Otherwise, shut the hell up. Or, even better, go tell him to his face that you think he's lazy and needs to work harder.
I have a problem with the cowardly players bashing a teammate without being willing to go on the record. If they want to slam him in the media, then do it on the record. Otherwise, shut the hell up. Or, even better, go tell him to his face that you think he's lazy and needs to work harder.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Yeah, that's very true as well. I'm kind of surprised there isn't any anonymous bashing of him as well like what was happening in Minnesota prior to firing Childress last year. Maybe that's the only thing keeping him from getting fired at this point?[/QUOTE]
I'm a diehard Giants fan but I would say Rex has done wonders for the Jets. Back to back division championship games is nothing to sneeze at, especially for a franchise who hadn't been to one for over a decade. Rex is not the problem. The blame lies with Sanchez and the OC.
I'm a diehard Giants fan but I would say Rex has done wonders for the Jets. Back to back division championship games is nothing to sneeze at, especially for a franchise who hadn't been to one for over a decade. Rex is not the problem. The blame lies with Sanchez and the OC.
[quote name='kill3r7']I'm a diehard Giants fan but I would say Rex has done wonders for the Jets. Back to back division championship games is nothing to sneeze at, especially for a franchise who hadn't been to one for over a decade. Rex is not the problem. The blame lies with Sanchez and the OC.[/QUOTE]
Same here on all counts (Go Giants!). Rex Ryan is the best thing to happen to the Jets in a long long long time. He may have a loud mouth but he has a pretty good track record so far and he makes everything interesting. I don't want another boring head coach like Belichick - we've got enough of those.
Same here on all counts (Go Giants!). Rex Ryan is the best thing to happen to the Jets in a long long long time. He may have a loud mouth but he has a pretty good track record so far and he makes everything interesting. I don't want another boring head coach like Belichick - we've got enough of those.
He had a good track record. But he's lost the team now given these statements, and McElroy's comments about the locker room mood, players that only cared about their own stats and not winning/losing etc.
Can he get it back? We'll see. It's a hard thing to do without cleaning house and ditching the problem players. And that could be the issue. Maybe it's not Rex and just that they have some selfish douchebag players who need cut/traded for the good of the team regardless of their talent level.
All the talent in the world won't win a championship if team chemistry is poor and stars only care about padding their stats so they can get an even bigger contract next time etc.
Can he get it back? We'll see. It's a hard thing to do without cleaning house and ditching the problem players. And that could be the issue. Maybe it's not Rex and just that they have some selfish douchebag players who need cut/traded for the good of the team regardless of their talent level.
All the talent in the world won't win a championship if team chemistry is poor and stars only care about padding their stats so they can get an even bigger contract next time etc.
[quote name='kill3r7']I'm a diehard Giants fan but I would say Rex has done wonders for the Jets. Back to back division championship games is nothing to sneeze at, especially for a franchise who hadn't been to one for over a decade. Rex is not the problem. The blame lies with Sanchez and the OC.[/QUOTE]
Success in spite of the coach tends to hide issues with their leadership. Look at the '09 Vikings and the '10 Vikings. Same issues starting cropping up and the coach was gone half a season after going to the NFC championship.
Like Dmaul said, once they've lost control of their team its nearly impossible for them to reign them back in.
Success in spite of the coach tends to hide issues with their leadership. Look at the '09 Vikings and the '10 Vikings. Same issues starting cropping up and the coach was gone half a season after going to the NFC championship.
Like Dmaul said, once they've lost control of their team its nearly impossible for them to reign them back in.
The Jets overachieved this year. Believe me - I watched almost all of their games and they were god-awful. The fact that they won 8 games is a miracle in and of itself and they still barely missed the playoffs. Rex isn't the problem - Sanchez is a terrible QB but he is all they have right now...
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Success in spite of the coach tends to hide issues with their leadership. Look at the '09 Vikings and the '10 Vikings. Same issues starting cropping up and the coach was gone half a season after going to the NFC championship.
Like Dmaul said, once they've lost control of their team its nearly impossible for them to reign them back in.[/QUOTE]
Rex is a player's coach. You can't compare him to Childress. He constantly shields his players from the NY media. Rex expects greatness of himself and his team. Nothing wrong with that. What it comes down to is that QB play killed the Jets this season.
P.S. Holmes is the unnamed player who keeps taking shots at Sanchez. No different from what Tiki Barber did to Eli a few years back. Some people act can't help but whine.
P.P.S. McElroy should shut his trap. He is a rookie and has no clue what the dynamics of an NFL locker room are like.
Like Dmaul said, once they've lost control of their team its nearly impossible for them to reign them back in.[/QUOTE]
Rex is a player's coach. You can't compare him to Childress. He constantly shields his players from the NY media. Rex expects greatness of himself and his team. Nothing wrong with that. What it comes down to is that QB play killed the Jets this season.
P.S. Holmes is the unnamed player who keeps taking shots at Sanchez. No different from what Tiki Barber did to Eli a few years back. Some people act can't help but whine.
P.P.S. McElroy should shut his trap. He is a rookie and has no clue what the dynamics of an NFL locker room are like.
[quote name='kill3r7']Rex is a player's coach. You can't compare him to Childress. He constantly shields his players from the NY media. Rex expects greatness of himself and his team. Nothing wrong with that. What it comes down to is that QB play killed the Jets this season.
P.S. Holmes is the unnamed player who keeps taking shots at Sanchez. No different from what Tiki Barber did to Eli a few years back. Some people act can't help but whine.
P.P.S. McElroy should shut his trap. He is a rookie and has no clue what the dynamics of an NFL locker room are like.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't comparing them as coaches but rather the similarities in the situations. They were both on top of the world and now its crashing down be because they lost control of their team. Player's coach or not, they have to respect the leadership and show respect to their fellow team members. When a coach can't hold that in check anymore, they're as good as done.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if it was Holmes but on the other hand Holmes has made no beef previously this season with blasting leadership so why be secretive about it now? This much unrest in the locker room is dangerous to team stability.
P.S. Holmes is the unnamed player who keeps taking shots at Sanchez. No different from what Tiki Barber did to Eli a few years back. Some people act can't help but whine.
P.P.S. McElroy should shut his trap. He is a rookie and has no clue what the dynamics of an NFL locker room are like.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't comparing them as coaches but rather the similarities in the situations. They were both on top of the world and now its crashing down be because they lost control of their team. Player's coach or not, they have to respect the leadership and show respect to their fellow team members. When a coach can't hold that in check anymore, they're as good as done.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if it was Holmes but on the other hand Holmes has made no beef previously this season with blasting leadership so why be secretive about it now? This much unrest in the locker room is dangerous to team stability.
Mark Schlereth/Herm Edwards on ESPN pretty much summed up my feeling's on Rex's role in this.
"You're either coaching it, or you're allowing it to happen."
Rex does shield his players and puts the blame on himself when they lose etc. He's got to step in and take the blame for letting the locker room demeanor and team chemistry deteriorate and promise to fix it.
Step one, get rid of the people speaking up in the media. McElroy is easy to cut. I was baffled he even made the NFL given he was mediocre at best in college.
And Holmes probably is the one running his mouth as he's a proven team cancer. Catching a winning TD in the super bowl wasn't even enough to keep his place in Pittsburgh. You just can't have those kind of cancers on the roster, regardless of how good they area.
Send a message that such behavior isn't going to be tolerated and any issues need to be discussed face to face in the lockerroom, not in the media. It's the coach's role to make sure that is understood, and that selfish players who aren't about the team's success have no place on the roster.
"You're either coaching it, or you're allowing it to happen."
Rex does shield his players and puts the blame on himself when they lose etc. He's got to step in and take the blame for letting the locker room demeanor and team chemistry deteriorate and promise to fix it.
Step one, get rid of the people speaking up in the media. McElroy is easy to cut. I was baffled he even made the NFL given he was mediocre at best in college.
And Holmes probably is the one running his mouth as he's a proven team cancer. Catching a winning TD in the super bowl wasn't even enough to keep his place in Pittsburgh. You just can't have those kind of cancers on the roster, regardless of how good they area.
Send a message that such behavior isn't going to be tolerated and any issues need to be discussed face to face in the lockerroom, not in the media. It's the coach's role to make sure that is understood, and that selfish players who aren't about the team's success have no place on the roster.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Mark Schlereth/Herm Edwards on ESPN pretty much summed up my feeling's on Rex's role in this.
"You're either coaching it, or you're allowing it to happen."
Rex does shield his players and puts the blame on himself when they lose etc. He's got to step in and take the blame for letting the locker room demeanor and team chemistry deteriorate and promise to fix it.
Step one, get rid of the people speaking up in the media. McElroy is easy to cut. I was baffled he even made the NFL given he was mediocre at best in college.
And Holmes probably is the one running his mouth as he's a proven team cancer. Catching a winning TD in the super bowl wasn't even enough to keep his place in Pittsburgh. You just can't have those kind of cancers on the roster, regardless of how good they area.
Send a message that such behavior isn't going to be tolerated and any issues need to be discussed face to face in the lockerroom, not in the media. It's the coach's role to make sure that is understood, and that selfish players who aren't about the team's success have no place on the roster.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree and that's something Coughlin would have done. The issue with Rex is that he doesn't fully support Sanchez, so it would be disingenuous of him to blame others for exhibiting the same behavior.
"You're either coaching it, or you're allowing it to happen."
Rex does shield his players and puts the blame on himself when they lose etc. He's got to step in and take the blame for letting the locker room demeanor and team chemistry deteriorate and promise to fix it.
Step one, get rid of the people speaking up in the media. McElroy is easy to cut. I was baffled he even made the NFL given he was mediocre at best in college.
And Holmes probably is the one running his mouth as he's a proven team cancer. Catching a winning TD in the super bowl wasn't even enough to keep his place in Pittsburgh. You just can't have those kind of cancers on the roster, regardless of how good they area.
Send a message that such behavior isn't going to be tolerated and any issues need to be discussed face to face in the lockerroom, not in the media. It's the coach's role to make sure that is understood, and that selfish players who aren't about the team's success have no place on the roster.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree and that's something Coughlin would have done. The issue with Rex is that he doesn't fully support Sanchez, so it would be disingenuous of him to blame others for exhibiting the same behavior.
[quote name='kill3r7']Totally agree and that's something Coughlin would have done. The issue with Rex is that he doesn't fully support Sanchez, so it would be disingenuous of him to blame others for exhibiting the same behavior.[/QUOTE]
No disingenuous at all.
The problem isn't that people are knocking Sanchez. It's that they're doing it in the media (and anonymously). That's what he has to nail the players for.
If you're going to knock a teammate, do it face-to-face in the locker room. Not in the media, and especially not anonymously.
No disingenuous at all.
The problem isn't that people are knocking Sanchez. It's that they're doing it in the media (and anonymously). That's what he has to nail the players for.
If you're going to knock a teammate, do it face-to-face in the locker room. Not in the media, and especially not anonymously.
[quote name='dmaul1114']No disingenuous at all.
The problem isn't that people are knocking Sanchez. It's that they're doing it in the media (and anonymously). That's what he has to nail the players for.
If you're going to knock a teammate, do it face-to-face in the locker room. Not in the media, and especially not anonymously.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to sports life in NYC where all disputes and complaints are resolved or addressed via the media. IMO this is much to do about nothing.
Also, when I stated above that Rex doesn't support Sanchez, I meant he does so in the media.
The problem isn't that people are knocking Sanchez. It's that they're doing it in the media (and anonymously). That's what he has to nail the players for.
If you're going to knock a teammate, do it face-to-face in the locker room. Not in the media, and especially not anonymously.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to sports life in NYC where all disputes and complaints are resolved or addressed via the media. IMO this is much to do about nothing.
Also, when I stated above that Rex doesn't support Sanchez, I meant he does so in the media.
Fair enough, and that's one of many things I don't like about Rex as I've never liked coaches who publicly knock their players.
But still, it's one thing for a coach to knock his player in the media as at least maybe that's an attempt to motivate the player. Very different for a teammate to do so, much less to do so anonymously.
But as you say, this kind of stuff is the norm in NYC. If I was a big time athlete, no way I'd want to play in NYC. Just not worth all the media distractions etc. and I've always found it a hugely overrated city anyway.
But still, it's one thing for a coach to knock his player in the media as at least maybe that's an attempt to motivate the player. Very different for a teammate to do so, much less to do so anonymously.
But as you say, this kind of stuff is the norm in NYC. If I was a big time athlete, no way I'd want to play in NYC. Just not worth all the media distractions etc. and I've always found it a hugely overrated city anyway.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Fair enough, and that's one of many things I don't like about Rex as I've never liked coaches who publicly knock their players.
But still, it's one thing for a coach to knock his player in the media as at least maybe that's an attempt to motivate the player. Very different for a teammate to do so, much less to do so anonymously.
But as you say, this kind of stuff is the norm in NYC. If I was a big time athlete, no way I'd want to play in NYC. Just not worth all the media distractions etc. and I've always found it a hugely overrated city anyway.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you. A player shouldn't be allowed to bash a fellow teammate in the media. You win as a team and lose as a team... No finger pointing.
But still, it's one thing for a coach to knock his player in the media as at least maybe that's an attempt to motivate the player. Very different for a teammate to do so, much less to do so anonymously.
But as you say, this kind of stuff is the norm in NYC. If I was a big time athlete, no way I'd want to play in NYC. Just not worth all the media distractions etc. and I've always found it a hugely overrated city anyway.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you. A player shouldn't be allowed to bash a fellow teammate in the media. You win as a team and lose as a team... No finger pointing.
Funny stuff early in the thread for us 49ers fans.
[quote name='ph33r m3']I love Gore but he's high as shit if he thinks he's getting anything being 28, injury prone, and coming off hip surgery.
Dixon/Kendall Hunter is more than enough to replace him.
Season is in the tank by re-signing Smith, but they need to throw all their money at Nmandi.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']looks like frank gore is going to report after all. thats good. the bad news is we still have alex smith as a QB and have no secondary. but hey, in the NFC west, we still have a chance.[/QUOTE]
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I think the 49ers are going to feel out their roster this year and evaluate, even if it means going 2-14 and getting Luck (which they would love anyway). The only guys I really want them to sign are Olin Kreutz, and Malcolm Floyd, and whatever CB they can, the secondary is pathetic. right now their worst positions are the most important. Center, QB, CB... that's going to result in lots of lopsided affairs.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='DT778']I think it goes:
AZ
Rams
Seahawks
Niners.
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[quote name='Chitown021']How about the 49ers? The best QB on their team right now is their coach![/QUOTE]
and of course, Tim Tebow.
[quote name='ph33r m3']RIP Tim Tebow's NFL career.
Toronto Argo's need a QB, Cleo Lemon is somehow worse than him.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='DestroVega']Denver should trade Tebow at this point. I actually think he could win at the NFL level, now he's basically buried cause the guy who drafted him is no longer there.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Soodmeg']Well Tebow entire career is a shame anyway. The problem started where he was drafted, he should have gone where he was suppose to...4th or 5th round. Bench for 3 or 4 years and then play.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']How does the sports media get back at Tim Tebow for being the #2 QB for Denver tonight? Chris Mortenson was on Cleveland Browns Daily to talk about the NFL at large and the Tebow topic came up, which he said his sources at Denver had no plans to trade/cut him since he's the only QB under contract for next season and was just paid nearly $7 million for his guaranteed draft money. I guess next week will be the final battle for the Media vs. Tebow war.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='ph33r m3']I love Gore but he's high as shit if he thinks he's getting anything being 28, injury prone, and coming off hip surgery.
Dixon/Kendall Hunter is more than enough to replace him.
Season is in the tank by re-signing Smith, but they need to throw all their money at Nmandi.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']looks like frank gore is going to report after all. thats good. the bad news is we still have alex smith as a QB and have no secondary. but hey, in the NFC west, we still have a chance.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='DestroVega']
I think the 49ers are going to feel out their roster this year and evaluate, even if it means going 2-14 and getting Luck (which they would love anyway). The only guys I really want them to sign are Olin Kreutz, and Malcolm Floyd, and whatever CB they can, the secondary is pathetic. right now their worst positions are the most important. Center, QB, CB... that's going to result in lots of lopsided affairs.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='DT778']I think it goes:
AZ
Rams
Seahawks
Niners.
[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Chitown021']How about the 49ers? The best QB on their team right now is their coach![/QUOTE]
and of course, Tim Tebow.
[quote name='ph33r m3']RIP Tim Tebow's NFL career.
Toronto Argo's need a QB, Cleo Lemon is somehow worse than him.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='DestroVega']Denver should trade Tebow at this point. I actually think he could win at the NFL level, now he's basically buried cause the guy who drafted him is no longer there.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Soodmeg']Well Tebow entire career is a shame anyway. The problem started where he was drafted, he should have gone where he was suppose to...4th or 5th round. Bench for 3 or 4 years and then play.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']How does the sports media get back at Tim Tebow for being the #2 QB for Denver tonight? Chris Mortenson was on Cleveland Browns Daily to talk about the NFL at large and the Tebow topic came up, which he said his sources at Denver had no plans to trade/cut him since he's the only QB under contract for next season and was just paid nearly $7 million for his guaranteed draft money. I guess next week will be the final battle for the Media vs. Tebow war.[/QUOTE]
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Well I actually wasn't too far off about the 49ers. I vastly underestimated Harbaugh and his ability to coach, and coach up the QB. Let's be honest, Smith's been a good game manager. The only game he had to make important plays in crunch time to win was the Lion game. Obviously they felt out the roster in the off-season, even with the lockout. Which is pretty amazing.
I was even more on point with Tebow since u said I thought he could definitely win right now. And he was buried as the #3 when they broke camp. Lucky for them he got a shot.
I was even more on point with Tebow since u said I thought he could definitely win right now. And he was buried as the #3 when they broke camp. Lucky for them he got a shot.
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I dont care how hard people try, the scale will not be change just for Tebow. He will be judged in the same way every other QB now and forever will be judged.
He is a shit QB, what I said was completely true, he should have sat for a couple years learned how to play and then come in. His gimmick will end just like it has for every other player who is a gimmick. Unless he changes what he is it will be the same.
I love how the same people who ripped on Vick when he first got into the league are now the same people areing amazed by Tebow. They are the same, although Vick was 10x the runner but only slightly better and passing.
They are winning because they have an amazing defense a great running game and he is a new gimmick that no one has figured out yet, just like Vick, just like the Wildcat. I personal have always hated magically annotating QBs has the sole reason that teams win and I wont change it now. He was like 10-21 with 3 or 4 HUGE plays gains....that shit for a QB. I hate the QB love across all fronts...its the number one reason why the NFL has turned into a joke with 60 pass attempts a game.
He is a shit QB, what I said was completely true, he should have sat for a couple years learned how to play and then come in. His gimmick will end just like it has for every other player who is a gimmick. Unless he changes what he is it will be the same.
I love how the same people who ripped on Vick when he first got into the league are now the same people are
ing amazed by Tebow. They are the same, although Vick was 10x the runner but only slightly better and passing.They are winning because they have an amazing defense a great running game and he is a new gimmick that no one has figured out yet, just like Vick, just like the Wildcat. I personal have always hated magically annotating QBs has the sole reason that teams win and I wont change it now. He was like 10-21 with 3 or 4 HUGE plays gains....that shit for a QB. I hate the QB love across all fronts...its the number one reason why the NFL has turned into a joke with 60 pass attempts a game.
I hate Tebow. But I think he'll do well. Just has to work on improving accuracy, making the progressions etc. And that's all stuff that can be taught.
He has a strong arm, mental toughness and all those things you either have or don't.
I think he'll improve as a passer as he gets more experience and practice just like Michael Vick did over the years.
He has a strong arm, mental toughness and all those things you either have or don't.
I think he'll improve as a passer as he gets more experience and practice just like Michael Vick did over the years.
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I love what Tebow does, and I love how the Broncos play the game. I love watching a run game, and think that by controlling the ball/clock it is a big help in regards to keeping their defense fresh. Build around Tebow a bit more, get a run based line and maybe another back and I think they would be so fun to watch.
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I dont dislike Tebow in anyway I just refuse to shotgun myself into this. Everyone yelled at me when I was on the early Vick bandwagon and eventually I agreed that even a running QB has to get a arm.
This Tebow love is bullshit...there is not a person out there that has done less and got this amount of attention for it.
This Tebow love is bullshit...there is not a person out there that has done less and got this amount of attention for it.
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Taking one of the worst teams in the league for the past few years into the playoffs is doing more than you are giving him credit for.
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Yup Vick defenders always said, hey the guy wins games.
Tebow wins games. You can't have ESPN flashing win/loss records of QBs in the playoffs, then discredit Tebow for how he gets the W.
Tebow wins games. You can't have ESPN flashing win/loss records of QBs in the playoffs, then discredit Tebow for how he gets the W.
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[quote name='RAMSTORIA']and of course, Tim Tebow.[/QUOTE]
How was I shitting on Tim Tebow? I was talking about the media running away with rumors about him being cut or traded during the QB competition during the pre-season.
How was I shitting on Tim Tebow? I was talking about the media running away with rumors about him being cut or traded during the QB competition during the pre-season.
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[quote name='perdition(troy']Taking one of the worst teams in the league for the past few years into the playoffs is doing more than you are giving him credit for.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='DestroVega']Yup Vick defenders always said, hey the guy wins games.
Tebow wins games. You can't have ESPN flashing win/loss records of QBs in the playoffs, then discredit Tebow for how he gets the W.[/QUOTE]
Get the out of here. I do not live in the camp of giving ALL credit to any QB for any reason, I dont need to make more sportcenter stories. Tebow isnt even 20% of the reason why they are winning games. The guy completes can barely complete more than 15 passes in a game. Clearly that means there ARE MANY OTHER people who deserve credit.
How about their O line? Doing some damn good blocking, Running game, one of the most effective in the league? Defense? Killing people.
Instead of talking about Tebow why are we not talking about how Von Miller is a god damn monster? Its one of the reason why I will continue to hate this new NFL where everyone just circle jerks around QBs.
[quote name='DestroVega']Yup Vick defenders always said, hey the guy wins games.
Tebow wins games. You can't have ESPN flashing win/loss records of QBs in the playoffs, then discredit Tebow for how he gets the W.[/QUOTE]
Get the
out of here. I do not live in the camp of giving ALL credit to any QB for any reason, I dont need to make more sportcenter stories. Tebow isnt even 20% of the reason why they are winning games. The guy completes can barely complete more than 15 passes in a game. Clearly that means there ARE MANY OTHER people who deserve credit.How about their O line? Doing some damn good blocking, Running game, one of the most effective in the league? Defense? Killing people.
Instead of talking about Tebow why are we not talking about how Von Miller is a god damn monster? Its one of the reason why I will continue to hate this new NFL where everyone just circle jerks around QBs.
[quote name='Soodmeg']I dont dislike Tebow in anyway I just refuse to shotgun myself into this. Everyone yelled at me when I was on the early Vick bandwagon and eventually I agreed that even a running QB has to get a arm.
This Tebow love is bullshit...there is not a person out there that has done less and got this amount of attention for it.[/QUOTE]
The dude can't do basic things that a high scholl QB would be asked to do. Every pass he throws is a laser, he can't put any touch on the ball, he doesn't look at more than two receivers before he runs (so they built the offense around that limitation), can't throw the deep out, can't really throw screens, takes forever to get the ball out...
This Tebow love is bullshit...there is not a person out there that has done less and got this amount of attention for it.[/QUOTE]
The dude can't do basic things that a high scholl QB would be asked to do. Every pass he throws is a laser, he can't put any touch on the ball, he doesn't look at more than two receivers before he runs (so they built the offense around that limitation), can't throw the deep out, can't really throw screens, takes forever to get the ball out...
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[quote name='Soodmeg']Get the out of here. I do not live in the camp of giving ALL credit to any QB for any reason, I dont need to make more sportcenter stories. Tebow isnt even 20% of the reason why they are winning games. The guy completes can barely complete more than 15 passes in a game. Clearly that means there ARE MANY OTHER people who deserve credit.
How about their O line? Doing some damn good blocking, Running game, one of the most effective in the league? Defense? Killing people.
Instead of talking about Tebow why are we not talking about how Von Miller is a god damn monster? Its one of the reason why I will continue to hate this new NFL where everyone just circle jerks around QBs.[/QUOTE]
They have a good defense, it's not "great." and Von Miller had a great rookie campaign, although he's not the DROY.
All I'm saying is Tebow is making the plays to win. You can't dispute that.
I'm well aware there are other aspects of the games. If the defense hadn't turned around from week 1 to where it is now, they aren't in any close games for him to make a play. Without Prater kicking BOMBS they also aren't anywhere.
Tebow isn't as good as his fans think and not as terrible as the haters proclaim. But he's making plays and winning games and to just discredit all that, it isn't fair.
out of here. I do not live in the camp of giving ALL credit to any QB for any reason, I dont need to make more sportcenter stories. Tebow isnt even 20% of the reason why they are winning games. The guy completes can barely complete more than 15 passes in a game. Clearly that means there ARE MANY OTHER people who deserve credit.How about their O line? Doing some damn good blocking, Running game, one of the most effective in the league? Defense? Killing people.
Instead of talking about Tebow why are we not talking about how Von Miller is a god damn monster? Its one of the reason why I will continue to hate this new NFL where everyone just circle jerks around QBs.[/QUOTE]
They have a good defense, it's not "great." and Von Miller had a great rookie campaign, although he's not the DROY.
All I'm saying is Tebow is making the plays to win. You can't dispute that.
I'm well aware there are other aspects of the games. If the defense hadn't turned around from week 1 to where it is now, they aren't in any close games for him to make a play. Without Prater kicking BOMBS they also aren't anywhere.
Tebow isn't as good as his fans think and not as terrible as the haters proclaim. But he's making plays and winning games and to just discredit all that, it isn't fair.
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Obviously its a team game, and Tebow just happens to be the quarterback, thus defacto leader on offense. He gets credit for the wins and losses, just like every other qb in the league does. It's just the way it is right now.
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