Official 2011-12 NFL Regular Season Thread

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[quote name='bvharris']If they'd passed the ball people would have gotten on them for throwing late up big. They're never going to change the minds of people who irrationally hate them no matter what they do, so why even bother trying? Haters gonna hate.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Demolition Man']This.[/QUOTE]

Pats fans?

Honestly, I don't care if they throw on every down and run the score to 70 or 80. If the defense can't stop them then so be it but punting it away on 3rd down is a dick move that accomplishes nothing but rubbing it in. Just run the ball into the pile and punt on 4th down if you are so concerned about running up the score.
 
[quote name='Javery']Pats fans?

Honestly, I don't care if they throw on every down and run the score to 70 or 80. If the defense can't stop them then so be it but punting it away on 3rd down is a dick move that accomplishes nothing but rubbing it in. Just run the ball into the pile and punt on 4th down if you are so concerned about running up the score.[/QUOTE]

Accomplishes.nobody getting hit by a defense that just creamed the back on the previous play. Were you even watching the game at that point?
 
[quote name='bvharris']Accomplishes.nobody getting hit by a defense that just creamed the back on the previous play. Were you even watching the game at that point?[/QUOTE]

Probably not. In fact I suspect most of the Anti-Pats crowd had already turned the game off long before that point.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Accomplishes.nobody getting hit by a defense that just creamed the back on the previous play. Were you even watching the game at that point?[/QUOTE]

LOL - if player safety was actually on anyone's mind Belichick would have pulled Brady and most of his starters after the third quarter or even sooner. And yes, I was watching the game as awful as it was.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Accomplishes.nobody getting hit by a defense that just creamed the back on the previous play. Were you even watching the game at that point?[/QUOTE]

Then take a knee and turn the ball over on downs.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Then take a knee and turn the ball over on downs.[/QUOTE]

I see you edited out the bit about most injuries occurring on special teams, presumably because you realized it proved the point that the quick kick on third down was smart.
 
I don't see the big deal about punting on third. And Javery noted, the bigger problem with the Pats (and a lot of NFL teams) is leaving starters in too long in blow outs.

Makes no sense with the risk of injuries etc., and it's good to get the back ups some game experience.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I don't see the big deal about punting on third. And Javery noted, the bigger problem with the Pats (and a lot of NFL teams) is leaving starters in too long in blow outs.

Makes no sense with the risk of injuries etc., and it's good to get the back ups some game experience.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't make sense to me either, it never has, but its their philosophy and I don't think its about classy or not. And and as you say, its far from unique to the Patriots.
 
Somewhat lost in all the 49er euphoria is the amount of passing attempts... Gore gained 89 yards on 13 carries yet they threw the ball 42 times? I don't understand that approach.

Whoever they play in the title game, there needs to be more of a commitment to the run. Gotta go with the philosophy that got you here.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I see you edited out the bit about most injuries occurring on special teams, presumably because you realized it proved the point that the quick kick on third down was smart.[/QUOTE]

I didn't feel like going through and explaining why running a gimmick special teams play on third down was a bad call. Most injuries do occur on special teams and you are asking people to play out of position on top of that. The risk of injury is still high and asking your best player to do something that he doesn't do on a regular basis is incredibly dumb, especially in that situation. If Denver actually did something in that situation with the football just imagine how many Broncos would have looked to light Brady up. There is a reason QB's don't play on special teams.

Instead of trying to defend the play for reasons that make football sense, there aren't any, Pat's fans should just own up to the fact that they were pushing the Broncos shit in and they don't give a fuck. There is no reason for that play to happen except to be huge dicks, which is fine, but don't try and act like it was a smart or valid call. If Brady got hurt on a dumb play like that none of the Pat's fans would be defending it and everyone would wonder why Brian Hoyer wasn't in the game. I got no problem with people pushing in the shit of the other team. Hell I want my teams to do it just like everyone else does, but there is a reason why teams put in the scrubs and its because people get pissed off when they get embarrassed.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I didn't feel like going through and explaining why running a gimmick special teams play on third down was a bad call. Most injuries do occur on special teams and you are asking people to play out of position on top of that. The risk of injury is still high and asking your best player to do something that he doesn't do on a regular basis is incredibly dumb, especially in that situation. If Denver actually did something in that situation with the football just imagine how many Broncos would have looked to light Brady up. There is a reason QB's don't play on special teams.

Instead of trying to defend the play for reasons that make football sense, there aren't any, Pat's fans should just own up to the fact that they were pushing the Broncos shit in and they don't give a fuck. There is no reason for that play to happen except to be huge dicks, which is fine, but don't try and act like it was a smart or valid call. If Brady got hurt on a dumb play like that none of the Pat's fans would be defending it and everyone would wonder why Brian Hoyer wasn't in the game. I got no problem with people pushing in the shit of the other team. Hell I want my teams to do it just like everyone else does, but there is a reason why teams put in the scrubs and its because people get pissed off when they get embarrassed.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to get into a whole big thing about it, but you're wrong.

I know for a fact that the Patriots have had that play in their playbook for a decade and practice it routinely. Brady did the same thing in Miami several years ago. The Pats also punted twice on third down during very windy game at Buffalo in 2008, one of which was by Matt Cassell.

That was not a "special teams" play. Brady kicked the ball and since there was nobody back to defend it, it rolled to a stop at the ten with very little fanfare. Nobody would have been hit on the play if Von Miller didn't throw a cheap shot on Matt Light. But yeah, the Pats are the classless ones. As to your point about the Broncos "doing something with the ball", no Bronco touched the football on the play. That was the entire point of the "incredibly dumb" play.

Hating the Patriots is such low hanging fruit, and people tend to look for reasons to reinforce that opinion, which is human nature. It doesn't make it less wrong. Take the McDaniels thing: The news broke on Saturday and was officially announced Sunday before the Broncos have even played. At that point the Patriots had every reason to believe their opponent would be the Steelers. But since it happened that they're playing the Broncos, it now becomes part of the "Pats are classless" lore, just like "Brady punting on third down" will.

Do I wish people didn't irrationally hate my team? Sure, it gets annoying sometimes. But I'm long past expecting that people are able to discuss the Patriots rationally. I'd rather have a perennially successful team that people hate than the alternative.
 
It's just impossible to discuss sports rationally. People have irrational passion for their teams (homers) and irrational hate for their rivals and winning teams like the Pats.

I avoid dedicated sports forums like the plague as I just can't tolerate all the stupid arguing and flaming that goes on. And honestly I just don't like most diehard sports fans much. I love rooting for my teams, but sports is down my hobby list below movies, TV, video games, reading etc. etc. so I just don't have the passion to put up with all the BS.

So the most I do is post in some threads like this on non-sports forums as the discussion tends to be a little more level-headed than on dedicated sports forums. Even that's not true at time, like in the past when wildcpac was ruining sports threads with his ranting and raving. :D
 
As for not playing scrubs, like I said I don't agree with it but I understand it.

If you've watched the Patriots all year like I have, one of their biggest flaws has been not executing for an entire game. They've either fallen behind big and had to crawl out of a hole (Denver, Buffalo, Miami) or let other teams crawl back in after taking big leads (San Diego, Indy, San Diego). If you listen to Belichick routinely, his philosophy is all about "playing 60 minutes" and they really haven't done that this year. In a game where the defense and offense were both firing on all cylinders, I do see the merits of boosting his team's confidence by putting up such a complete game.

The Saints play the exact same way, and are actually even more aggressive about continuing to run their normal offense, but since people like the Saints they take about 1/10th the crap for it.

As a nervous fan who thinks every cramp is a torn ACL, I want Brian Hoyer in the game, but I understand what Belichick is doing and it's not about being a dick or rubbing it in, it's about what he thinks is best for his team.
 
^ It probably would be if Houston didn't have so many injuries. Granted, still a long ways to go in this one.

As far as the Brady punting thing I didn't feel it was that big of a deal. He obviously didn't want to risk injury . Tempers were flaring as you could see by the Von Miller incident.

The Niners vs Saints game was great though. The last three minutes was so compelling! Even though, the defense disappeared, it was very fun to watch. It's pretty amazing what Harbaugh has done in his first year of head coaching in the NFL.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']^ It probably would be if Houston didn't have so many injuries. Granted, still a long ways to go in this one.
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Yeah. Gotta feel for this Houston team, this would be a much different game with Schaub.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Yeah. Gotta feel for this Houston team, this would be a much different game with Schaub.[/QUOTE]

...and Mario Williams
 
[quote name='bvharris']No way, I enjoyed every minute of that glorious beatdown. :D[/QUOTE]

Yes, that first half was sensational. The whining around here over the 3rd down punt is silly.

I've never been a big fan of the Pats, but ever since they picked up Moss (and then released him), I've enjoyed watching their offense.

Also, the NFL Network "day in the life" documentary of Belichick helped. I don't see how you can watch that and truly dislike Belichick. You might resent his success, especially if you support another AFC East team, but it's clear the guy studies and respects the opposition. He doesn't take anyone lightly. I really wished they'd have given us more film study and game prep and less human interest stuff about his kid, his boat, or his father's legacy. The pre-game talks with Brady were fun to listen in on, the comments about Ed Reed were great.
 
Why you don't run into the line twice there is beyond me. That way you waste at least one timeout, maybe two.

EDIT: REED!
 
I was napping off and on during Texans-Ravens. Great defensive effort from the Ravens, especially Reed...that fourth quarter leap for the INT looked huge. Needed more pressure in the QB...no sacks for the Ravens. And the offense needed to step up.

Props to the Texans for making it this far this season.
 
[quote name='cjacks9']I was napping off and on during Texans-Ravens. Great defensive effort from the Ravens, especially Reed...that fourth quarter leap for the INT looked huge. Needed more pressure in the QB...no sacks for the Ravens. And the offense needed to step up.
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Reed's INT was indeed great, but Brady isn't going to put so many on a platter for them (Yates first two were right into the chests of defenders). If they get the same amount of pressure on Brady that they put on Yates, he'll put up 40.
 
[quote name='bvharris']
The Saints play the exact same way, and are actually even more aggressive about continuing to run their normal offense, but since people like the Saints they take about 1/10th the crap for it.[/QUOTE]

Exactly but of course everyone will conveniently forget about that so they act stupid and pretend its all on Brady and he's just a dick etc. People just need to stfu, nobody was saying shit when Brees was statpadding all over the place, but since he set records everyone is like O_O he so beastly!1 he threw for over 5k yards holding free! yay. :roll:
 
Wow really refs? you already screwed New york out of a timeout then you somehow couldnt see that fucking fumble? congrats green bay on a trip to the Nfc championship game if your gonna get that much help.
 
Packers/Refs are in stupid mode.


[quote name='bvharris']The Packers are pretty good, they don't need the charity.[/QUOTE]
This. I doubt that would have been a dagger for the packers.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Because they want to catch the Giants off-guard, but they ended up giving them great field position instead.[/QUOTE]

But it all worked out in the end :)
 
Its amazing refs aren't fined or hold accountable for stupid decisions i swear.

LOL @ the holds whenever rodgers escapes from the pocket
 
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Unreal.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Because they want to catch the Giants off-guard, but they ended up giving them great field position instead.[/QUOTE]

Well, obviously they wanted to catch them off-guard...just didn't strike me as a particularly bright move with the game tied at the top of the 2nd quarter.

No matter, it amounted to zip on either side.
 
This is on pace to become worse than NO/Lions game. Eli gets drilled about 3 times no flag with the ref sitting right there. i guarantee if someone approached rodgers and gave him a discount double check or accidentally coughed on him would have been 15 yards and a ejection.

oh look a fumble watch the ref pull something out of their ass "DERP forward progress was stopped"
 
[quote name='renique46']This is on pace to become worse than NO/Lions game. Eli gets drilled about 3 times no flag with the ref sitting right there. i guarantee if someone approached rodgers and gave him a discount double check or accidentally coughed on him would have been 15 yards and a ejection.

oh look a fumble watch the ref pull something out of their ass "DERP forward progress was stopped"[/QUOTE]

He did get a discount double check from NY ... no flag sorry.

As for the Packers ... how many dropped passes is that ... and the deffense is just disapointing right now. Seriously get in front of the reciever and reach up between his arms.
 
These offensive teams are so arrogant. Going for it on 4th all the time, they think it's no big deal. Instead of trying to pin the Giants deep down 7, let's give them the ball at the 50 instead, when another TD essentially buries them.
 
[quote name='DestroVega']These offensive teams are so arrogant. Going for it on 4th all the time, they think it's no big deal. Instead of trying to pin the Giants deep down 7, let's give them the ball at the 50 instead, when another TD essentially buries them.[/QUOTE]

I think you're confusing arrogance with confidence. The Packers had the best offense in the NFL this year, and the likely MVP at quarterback. Why shouldn't they be confident?

I suspect the numbers will bear out that it was the correct call, but we'll see.
 
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