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How many dropped passes and turnovers is that now?
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[quote name='bvharris']The Giants look like the best team in the postseason right now (I'm saying this as a Pats fan). After decimating Atlanta, to come in and stomp Green Bay is damned impressive. Yeah, the Pats looked amazing too, but the Broncos are not the Packers.[/QUOTE]
Giants are looking good but I wouldn't say the best. So many mistakes by the Packers today it's as if they want to loose. And the Falcons? Who dat?
Giants are looking good but I wouldn't say the best. So many mistakes by the Packers today it's as if they want to loose. And the Falcons? Who dat?
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Stop complaining about the refs. It doesn't matter and the packers had nothing to do with it. It's not their faults the refs are incompetent.
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[quote name='kill3r7']And that's all she wrote.[/QUOTE]
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oh well, deserved the loss on that one, good season. Can't win em all. And certainly won't, playing like that.
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I am extremely happy right now. My Ravens won. Tebow lost. Packers lost (I really hate the Packers since I'm also a Bears fan). 49ers won. I was 4-0. I may win big money if my predicted Ravens and 49ers play in the Superbowl.
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[quote name='The Mana Knight']I am extremely happy right now. My Ravens won. Tebow lost. Packers lost (I really hate the Packers since I'm also a Bears fan). 49ers won. I was 4-0. I may win big money if my predicted Ravens and 49ers play in the Superbowl.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you on the Packers thing Mana. As a Bears fan it's a double punch in the bean bag when the Bears lose and the Packers win. I'm glad the Giants and the 49ers won but I would rather have seen the Broncos and the Texans win. I really can't stand Belicock and the rest of the Pats and I don't like seeing Baltimore win because Ray Lewis is a thug.
I thought the Giants really got screwed on the calls during that game so I'm glad it didn't cost them the victory. They lost the challenge on a ball that was clearly a fumble and it's very clear which QB the NFL favors. Eli took some pretty hard hits and doesn't draw a flag but Rodgers gets touched and shazam, there's yellow on the field. They tried to keep him in the game as long as they could with that very iffy personal foul call in the hopes he could rally late but it was not to be.
I'm with you on the Packers thing Mana. As a Bears fan it's a double punch in the bean bag when the Bears lose and the Packers win. I'm glad the Giants and the 49ers won but I would rather have seen the Broncos and the Texans win. I really can't stand Belicock and the rest of the Pats and I don't like seeing Baltimore win because Ray Lewis is a thug.
I thought the Giants really got screwed on the calls during that game so I'm glad it didn't cost them the victory. They lost the challenge on a ball that was clearly a fumble and it's very clear which QB the NFL favors. Eli took some pretty hard hits and doesn't draw a flag but Rodgers gets touched and shazam, there's yellow on the field. They tried to keep him in the game as long as they could with that very iffy personal foul call in the hopes he could rally late but it was not to be.
WOO HOO!! What a game. Next week is going to be a serious battle.
So which all was worse the non-fumble or the 15 yarder on Osi? Both were ridiculous but I've been watching football for 30 years and I know when I see a fumble. The game is over, my team won and I'm still pissed about that call. I know the NFL wanted a 45-42 Super Bowl and the Packers to get there but jeez...
So which all was worse the non-fumble or the 15 yarder on Osi? Both were ridiculous but I've been watching football for 30 years and I know when I see a fumble. The game is over, my team won and I'm still pissed about that call. I know the NFL wanted a 45-42 Super Bowl and the Packers to get there but jeez...
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[quote name='bvharris']I think you're confusing arrogance with confidence. The Packers had the best offense in the NFL this year, and the likely MVP at quarterback. Why shouldn't they be confident?
I suspect the numbers will bear out that it was the correct call, but we'll see.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Giants converted and without the fake blow to the head bullshit call of all-time, Giants would have won this game by 25. They should have punted, maybe they could have sustained the action.
I suspect the numbers will bear out that it was the correct call, but we'll see.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Giants converted and without the fake blow to the head bullshit call of all-time, Giants would have won this game by 25. They should have punted, maybe they could have sustained the action.
[quote name='DestroVega']Nope. Giants converted and without the fake blow to the head bullshit call of all-time, Giants would have won this game by 25. They should have punted, maybe they could have sustained the action.[/QUOTE]
Hindsight is 20-20.
You can't use the outcome of an uncertain event in evaluating whether it was the correct decision at the time it was made. That's pretty basic.
I'll have to wait to read a detailed breakdown of the game, but I still think it'll end up that going for it on fourth down there made statistical sense.
Hindsight is 20-20.
You can't use the outcome of an uncertain event in evaluating whether it was the correct decision at the time it was made. That's pretty basic.
I'll have to wait to read a detailed breakdown of the game, but I still think it'll end up that going for it on fourth down there made statistical sense.
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[quote name='bvharris']Hindsight is 20-20.
You can't use the outcome of an uncertain event in evaluating whether it was the correct decision at the time it was made. That's pretty basic.
I'll have to wait to read a detailed breakdown of the game, but I still think it'll end up that going for it on fourth down there made statistical sense.[/QUOTE]
It's not hindsight when you say it at the time of the decision.
They were down 20-13 and went for it, and got sacked. Giving the giants the ball at midfield instead of trying to pin them deep. It definitely was an impactfull miscue, and I posted about it at the time it happened.
San Francisco won't make those kind of gambling, free-wheeling mistakes next week.
You can't use the outcome of an uncertain event in evaluating whether it was the correct decision at the time it was made. That's pretty basic.
I'll have to wait to read a detailed breakdown of the game, but I still think it'll end up that going for it on fourth down there made statistical sense.[/QUOTE]
It's not hindsight when you say it at the time of the decision.
They were down 20-13 and went for it, and got sacked. Giving the giants the ball at midfield instead of trying to pin them deep. It definitely was an impactfull miscue, and I posted about it at the time it happened.
San Francisco won't make those kind of gambling, free-wheeling mistakes next week.
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[quote name='Javery']WOO HOO!! What a game. Next week is going to be a serious battle.
So which all was worse the non-fumble or the 15 yarder on Osi? Both were ridiculous but I've been watching football for 30 years and I know when I see a fumble. The game is over, my team won and I'm still pissed about that call. I know the NFL wanted a 45-42 Super Bowl and the Packers to get there but jeez...[/QUOTE]
The non-fumble was the worst IMHO. I thought the replay showed that the ball came loose well before Jennings hit the ground but they still decided to uphold the call. I thought I heard Buck and Aikman say it was because the officials though his calf had hit the ground before the ball came loose... what?!
The roughing call was crap but not surprising. I was actually more shocked that the Giants didn't get at least two or three roughing calls considering the way the league likes to baby Rodgers, P.Manning, Brady, and Brees.
EDIT: I will be rooting for the Ravens and the 49ers next week although there's no way the NFL will allow it. They'll find a way to get Brady in there.
So which all was worse the non-fumble or the 15 yarder on Osi? Both were ridiculous but I've been watching football for 30 years and I know when I see a fumble. The game is over, my team won and I'm still pissed about that call. I know the NFL wanted a 45-42 Super Bowl and the Packers to get there but jeez...[/QUOTE]
The non-fumble was the worst IMHO. I thought the replay showed that the ball came loose well before Jennings hit the ground but they still decided to uphold the call. I thought I heard Buck and Aikman say it was because the officials though his calf had hit the ground before the ball came loose... what?!
The roughing call was crap but not surprising. I was actually more shocked that the Giants didn't get at least two or three roughing calls considering the way the league likes to baby Rodgers, P.Manning, Brady, and Brees.
EDIT: I will be rooting for the Ravens and the 49ers next week although there's no way the NFL will allow it. They'll find a way to get Brady in there.
[quote name='DestroVega']It's not hindsight when you say it at the time of the decision.
They were down 20-13 and went for it, and got sacked. Giving the giants the ball at midfield instead of trying to pin them deep. It definitely was an impactly miscue, and I posted about it at the time it happened.[/QUOTE]
You're completely missing my point. I'm talking about whether it was the correct decision at the time it was made (ie, before the play was run). You can't factor in the fact that it didn't work in evaluating whether it was the right decision. If they had the information that it wasn't going to work, they obviously wouldn't run it.
Sometimes the right decision leads to a bad outcome. That doesn't make it the wrong decision.
Again, I haven't done the math on it, but I'm sure someone smarter than me will this week (I'm sure Football Outsiders will), and I would not at all be surprised if they conclude that it was the right percentage move to make in that game situation.
They were down 20-13 and went for it, and got sacked. Giving the giants the ball at midfield instead of trying to pin them deep. It definitely was an impactly miscue, and I posted about it at the time it happened.[/QUOTE]
You're completely missing my point. I'm talking about whether it was the correct decision at the time it was made (ie, before the play was run). You can't factor in the fact that it didn't work in evaluating whether it was the right decision. If they had the information that it wasn't going to work, they obviously wouldn't run it.
Sometimes the right decision leads to a bad outcome. That doesn't make it the wrong decision.
Again, I haven't done the math on it, but I'm sure someone smarter than me will this week (I'm sure Football Outsiders will), and I would not at all be surprised if they conclude that it was the right percentage move to make in that game situation.
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[quote name='bvharris']You're completely missing my point. I'm talking about whether it was the correct decision at the time it was made (ie, before the play was run). You can't factor in the fact that it didn't work in evaluating whether it was the right decision. If they had the information that it wasn't going to work, they obviously wouldn't run it.
Sometimes the right decision leads to a bad outcome. That doesn't make it the wrong decision.
Again, I haven't done the math on it, but I'm sure someone smarter than me will this wee
k (I'm sure Football Outsiders will), and I would not at all be surprised if they conclude that it was the right percentage move to
make in that game situation.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but that all mathematics. The real life situation is clear. They should have tried to pin them. I'm sure the fourth down try will statistically not be awful. Means nothing.
Sometimes the right decision leads to a bad outcome. That doesn't make it the wrong decision.
Again, I haven't done the math on it, but I'm sure someone smarter than me will this wee
k (I'm sure Football Outsiders will), and I would not at all be surprised if they conclude that it was the right percentage move to
make in that game situation.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but that all mathematics. The real life situation is clear. They should have tried to pin them. I'm sure the fourth down try will statistically not be awful. Means nothing.
[quote name='DestroVega']Yeah but that all mathematics. The real life situation is clear. They should have tried to pin them. I'm sure the fourth down try will statistically not be awful. Means nothing.[/QUOTE]
Well, I suppose you make a strong point that mathematics very rarely have any influence on or correlation to real life events.
Moving on to Pats-Ravens, should be a fun matchup. Although looking back to the game in 2009, it's worth mentioning that other than Brady and 2/5th of the o-line this is a completely different Patriots offense. No Welker in that game, none of the running backs, and obviously no Gronk/Hernandez. The Ravens still have a great pass defense though, so we'll see how it shakes out.
Well, I suppose you make a strong point that mathematics very rarely have any influence on or correlation to real life events.
Moving on to Pats-Ravens, should be a fun matchup. Although looking back to the game in 2009, it's worth mentioning that other than Brady and 2/5th of the o-line this is a completely different Patriots offense. No Welker in that game, none of the running backs, and obviously no Gronk/Hernandez. The Ravens still have a great pass defense though, so we'll see how it shakes out.
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[quote name='bvharris']Well, I suppose you make a strong point that mathematics very rarely have any influence on or correlation to real life events.
Moving on to Pats-Ravens, should be a fun matchup. Although looking back to the game in 2009, it's worth mentioning that other than Brady and 2/5th of the o-line this is a completely different Patriots offense. No Welker in that game, none of the running backs, and obviously no Gronk/Hernandez. The Ravens still have a great pass defense though, so we'll see how it shakes out.[/QUOTE]
If "defense" truly "wins championships," Ravens still beat them. For some reason I think the Pats will get it done.
Moving on to Pats-Ravens, should be a fun matchup. Although looking back to the game in 2009, it's worth mentioning that other than Brady and 2/5th of the o-line this is a completely different Patriots offense. No Welker in that game, none of the running backs, and obviously no Gronk/Hernandez. The Ravens still have a great pass defense though, so we'll see how it shakes out.[/QUOTE]
If "defense" truly "wins championships," Ravens still beat them. For some reason I think the Pats will get it done.
[quote name='Javery']WOO HOO!! What a game. Next week is going to be a serious battle.
So which all was worse the non-fumble or the 15 yarder on Osi? Both were ridiculous but I've been watching football for 30 years and I know when I see a fumble. The game is over, my team won and I'm still pissed about that call. I know the NFL wanted a 45-42 Super Bowl and the Packers to get there but jeez...[/QUOTE]
A day later and I'm still pumped about the win but don't get me started on the officiating. That was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Thankfully the Giants still pulled through.
Time to avenge our loss to the 49ers during the regular season. Go G-men!
So which all was worse the non-fumble or the 15 yarder on Osi? Both were ridiculous but I've been watching football for 30 years and I know when I see a fumble. The game is over, my team won and I'm still pissed about that call. I know the NFL wanted a 45-42 Super Bowl and the Packers to get there but jeez...[/QUOTE]
A day later and I'm still pumped about the win but don't get me started on the officiating. That was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Thankfully the Giants still pulled through.
Time to avenge our loss to the 49ers during the regular season. Go G-men!
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[quote name='DestroVega']If "defense" truly "wins championships," Ravens still beat them. For some reason I think the Pats will get it done.[/QUOTE]
According to the show on the NFL network, Top 10 Myths in the NFL, defense winning championships is one of the biggest myths of all time.
According to the show on the NFL network, Top 10 Myths in the NFL, defense winning championships is one of the biggest myths of all time.
Lol Giants win and all the media and everyone can do is make excuses and talk about the Packers.
Too much rest cause of the bye week? Hmm New England seemed fine to me with that rout. Ravens? despite questionable play calling, seemed fine to me beating a very good well balanced Houston team. 49ers? uhh ditto.
No amount of excuses in the world can make up for the fact that Green Bay simply got manhandled and outplayed period. Green Bay didn't give this game away, Giants simply took it from them from the very beginning.
If it wasn't for Rodgers being too great with his ability to escape the pocket and extend plays or runs for 1st down from under extreme pressure and the Incompetent officials trying anything they can to keep Green Bay in the game, this would have been a blowout.
Am i shocked after this game? nope not at all considering Giants should have won the first meeting in the first place.
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Too much rest cause of the bye week? Hmm New England seemed fine to me with that rout. Ravens? despite questionable play calling, seemed fine to me beating a very good well balanced Houston team. 49ers? uhh ditto.
No amount of excuses in the world can make up for the fact that Green Bay simply got manhandled and outplayed period. Green Bay didn't give this game away, Giants simply took it from them from the very beginning.
If it wasn't for Rodgers being too great with his ability to escape the pocket and extend plays or runs for 1st down from under extreme pressure and the Incompetent officials trying anything they can to keep Green Bay in the game, this would have been a blowout.
Am i shocked after this game? nope not at all considering Giants should have won the first meeting in the first place.
Sorry Goodell you lose courtesy of
All year long people have talked about how it's the season of the quarter back and offense is supreme. At yet we have the Ravens, Giants, and 49ers in the conference championships.
It's supposed to rain big time this weekend here in northern California, it should make the game that much more epic.
It's supposed to rain big time this weekend here in northern California, it should make the game that much more epic.
[quote name='blindinglights']According to the show on the NFL network, Top 10 Myths in the NFL, defense winning championships is one of the biggest myths of all time.[/QUOTE]
Yeah there really aren't all that many defense dominated teams that have won titles in my lifetime. 1985 Bears, 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs are the only that jump to mine.
Plenty of other champs had good defenses, but most were great offensive teams. For a lot of recent champs offense was their strong point even if they also had solid Ds, like the 80s/90s 49ers, the 90s cowboys, the 2000 Rams and Pats teams etc.
The Steelers could fit the bill I guess, but they were more of a balanced teams. Great defense and also very solid offense with Big Ben et al.
Yeah there really aren't all that many defense dominated teams that have won titles in my lifetime. 1985 Bears, 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs are the only that jump to mine.
Plenty of other champs had good defenses, but most were great offensive teams. For a lot of recent champs offense was their strong point even if they also had solid Ds, like the 80s/90s 49ers, the 90s cowboys, the 2000 Rams and Pats teams etc.
The Steelers could fit the bill I guess, but they were more of a balanced teams. Great defense and also very solid offense with Big Ben et al.
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']All year long people have talked about how it's the season of the quarter back and offense is supreme. At yet we have the Ravens, Giants, and 49ers in the conference championships.
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Eli Manning is a pretty good quarterback himself..
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Eli Manning is a pretty good quarterback himself..
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[quote name='Gannikus']I'd take Eli over Peyton any day of the week even if Peyton was in his prime. Eli has the balls and heart to take his team to the SB and win it[/QUOTE]
This is how we know there's something wrong with you.
even if Peyton was in his prime. Eli has the balls and heart to take his team to the SB and win it[/QUOTE]This is how we know there's something wrong with you.
[quote name='Gannikus']I'd take Eli over Peyton any day of the week even if Peyton was in his prime. Eli has the balls and heart to take his team to the SB and win it[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Peyton never won a Super Bowl.
I think Eli's great, and I never really thought he would become as good as he has. If I was starting a franchise right now for the next 5 years, you'd obviously take him over Peyton given the age and health concerns.
But in their respective primes? Come on.
even if Peyton was in his prime. Eli has the balls and heart to take his team to the SB and win it[/QUOTE]Yeah, Peyton never won a Super Bowl.
I think Eli's great, and I never really thought he would become as good as he has. If I was starting a franchise right now for the next 5 years, you'd obviously take him over Peyton given the age and health concerns.
But in their respective primes? Come on.
[quote name='Gannikus']I'd take Eli over Peyton any day of the week even if Peyton was in his prime. Eli has the balls and heart to take his team to the SB and win it[/QUOTE]
Lifelong Giants fan and I love Eli but there is no way he's better than Peyton. If Peyton was our QB we would have won 4 or 5 superbowls by now. Yes, Peyton is that good.
With that said, Eli true to his word was a top 5 QB this year. And that's all that matters.
even if Peyton was in his prime. Eli has the balls and heart to take his team to the SB and win it[/QUOTE]Lifelong Giants fan and I love Eli but there is no way he's better than Peyton. If Peyton was our QB we would have won 4 or 5 superbowls by now. Yes, Peyton is that good.
With that said, Eli true to his word was a top 5 QB this year. And that's all that matters.
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Peyton has had some brutal playoffs loses, and Eli always rises up in big games but still, there is no contest there.
You gotta love Saints fans, they might be the dumbest in the NFL. Before the Niner game I heard the Saints would win because "They handled the Niners easily in the preseason" now after the game, the 49ers are "the dirtiest team in the NFL."
Guess it's easy to think a team is dirty when you've never seen a real tackle with your video game squad.
You gotta love Saints fans, they might be the dumbest in the NFL. Before the Niner game I heard the Saints would win because "They handled the Niners easily in the preseason" now after the game, the 49ers are "the dirtiest team in the NFL."
Guess it's easy to think a team is dirty when you've never seen a real tackle with your video game squad.
[quote name='DestroVega']Peyton has had some brutal playoffs loses, and Eli always rises up in big games but still, there is no contest.[/QUOTE]
It is true that Peyton has had some terrible playoff loses but so has Eli. This is a pointless argument to have today. Let's have this discussion 4 or 5 years from now. If Eli continues to play at this pace and the Giants win 1 or 2 more superbowls he might win out.
It is true that Peyton has had some terrible playoff loses but so has Eli. This is a pointless argument to have today. Let's have this discussion 4 or 5 years from now. If Eli continues to play at this pace and the Giants win 1 or 2 more superbowls he might win out.
[quote name='Javery']Eli is a stud and there aren't many QBs I'd take over him. If he wins another SB and plays at this level for the next 4-5 years he will be in the HoF.[/QUOTE]
No doubt about that. Through his first 8 seasons Eli's stats compare fairly well to most of today's top QBs...the two major exceptions being Peyton and Brady.
No doubt about that. Through his first 8 seasons Eli's stats compare fairly well to most of today's top QBs...the two major exceptions being Peyton and Brady.
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Guess it's easy to think a team is dirty when you've never seen a real tackle with your video game squad.[/QUOTE]
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Peyton Manning is among the greatest QBs in NFL history. I put him in the company of Montana and Elway. Eli is great, has his ups and downs, but isn't in Peyton's league... yet.
Guess it's easy to think a team is dirty when you've never seen a real tackle with your video game squad.[/QUOTE]
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Peyton Manning is among the greatest QBs in NFL history. I put him in the company of Montana and Elway. Eli is great, has his ups and downs, but isn't in Peyton's league... yet.
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That's a legal hit though.
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[quote name='DestroVega']That's a legal hit though.[/QUOTE]
That's what I meant. Saints finally got hit fo' real, yo. Result: loss
That's what I meant. Saints finally got hit fo' real, yo. Result: loss
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[quote name='Gentlegamer']That's what I meant. Saints finally got hit fo' real, yo. Result: loss[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was reading a Saint's message board and they were going crazy over that hit. Some guys went as far as saying they lost because they lost Thomas to an illegal hit. Among other highlights, "49ers suck" "the NFL needs to stop letting dirty teams operate this way" and "I can't wait to play Whitmer again"... Why, so he can knock out Mark Ingram next year?
Oh I forgot this one, they were also complaining that the 49ers "piled on Thomas after the fumble to get the ball when he was clearly hurt."
Go play in the Arena League.
Yeah, I was reading a Saint's message board and they were going crazy over that hit. Some guys went as far as saying they lost because they lost Thomas to an illegal hit. Among other highlights, "49ers suck" "the NFL needs to stop letting dirty teams operate this way" and "I can't wait to play Whitmer again"... Why, so he can knock out Mark Ingram next year?
Oh I forgot this one, they were also complaining that the 49ers "piled on Thomas after the fumble to get the ball when he was clearly hurt."
Go play in the Arena League.
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I love seeing the saints player lower his helmet and then just get rocked.
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[quote name='perdition(troy']I love seeing the saints player lower his helmet and then just get rocked.[/QUOTE]I believe the technical term is 'blow'd up.'
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