Official (2015-2016) College Football Thread OSU#1

[quote name='pitfallharry219']I'm gonna puke if Alabama wins this game. Unlike most, I don't hate the SEC, but fuck Alabama. So sick of them.[/QUOTE]


Wow, hell of a game but Murray made a horrible decision on that last throw. Poor clock management. You gotta throw it into the endzone with no timeouts left!

Why not spike it and take a couple shots at it?
 
Murray was trying to throw to the receiver in the endzone, ball got tipped.

But yeah, awful decision by Richt to not signal in to spike the ball and have a couple shots at it.

Looks like K-State is going to pull it out and get the Big 12 two BCS bids. Wisconsin is rolling Nebraska, and FSU rolling as expected.
 
Shame WVU had no defense this year which cost the offensive studs any chance at being Heisman finalists. If they'd pulled out a couple more game's at least Geno Smith would be going to NY.

4,004 yds, 71.4% completion rate, 40 Tds to 6 ints. 164.6 rating.

Not to mention Tavon Austin who's probably the best all around player in college football.

110 receptions, 1,259 yards, 12 tds
598 rushing yards, 3 tds
164 punt return yards, 1 td
738 kick off return yards, 1 td

Stedman Bailey is right up there too and should win the Biletnikoff if it goes on stats

106 receptions, 1,501 yards, 23 tds.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-tech-s...g-anywhere/?cxntfid=blogs_georgia_tech_sports

GT's president denies any talks of leaving the ACC. Of course we know denials aren't any more meaningful than rumors when it comes to this realignment stuff. Just have to wait and see.[/QUOTE]

The word on the street (rumor) is that UVA and GT are B1G bound. I doubt B1G goes to 16 without at least poaching UNC. IMO if the objective is to kill/raid the ACC then you go for UNC.
 
Agreed. If they don't get UNC it was just the case that UNC said no. Or that they plan on going bigger. Some rumor they may go up to 20. I don't see how that would work really though. I guess maybe with some pod system and having some kind of conference playoff. i.e. the last week of games aren't set in advance so you can match up the 4 pod winners in semi finals before the conference title game.

That said, I'm not sure the B1G has the goal of killing the ACC. They just want to get to 16 with teams that fit their academic profile and bring new markets for the B1G network. GT brings the Atlanta market as another big city that would start offering the Big Ten Network on basic cable. UVA gets them presence in Virginia.

If the four power leagues want to kill off the ACC, then it will be a joint effort with the B1G taking more, the SEC probably grabbing VT and NC State (or UNC) and the Big 12 probably taking six.
 
[quote name='WV Matsui']Looks like the Pinstripe Bowl for WVU

What a disappointing season :whistle2:([/QUOTE]

Hey at least you play/beat PITT.
 
Yeah, very disappointing year.

Would be kind of nice to play Pitt though as the season is weird without the Backyard brawl. Hope they end up in the Big 12 if the ACC does get picked apart.

But I would still prefer the Holiday Bowl against a Pac 12 team. Opponent we haven't played recently (if ever), San Diego is a better location for the team--nicer reward than a cold weather bowl game in NYC in Dec. etc.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, very disappointing year.

Would be kind of nice to play Pitt though as the season is weird without the Backyard brawl. Hope they end up in the Big 12 if the ACC does get picked apart.

But I would still prefer the Holiday Bowl against a Pac 12 team. Opponent we haven't played recently (if ever), San Diego is a better location for the team--nicer reward than a cold weather bowl game in NYC in Dec. etc.[/QUOTE]

I agree but I have already put in for my pinstripe tickets so I'll be there to see us destroy Pitt!
 
Dang, may not be a sure thing for the Big 12 to get two BCS bids.

Boise or NIU has a decent chance of jumping to 16 and getting an auto at large fro being in the top 16 and higher ranked than the Big East champ. They're at 20 and 21 currently and will almost definitely jump UCLA, Texas, and Nebraska. And they'll definitely jump Kent State who they beat.

Maybe some chance Nebraska doesn't fall that far from 12, but unlikely giving how bad they lost to a 5 loss Wisconsin team.
 
My thoughts on GT, reposted from another site:

GT is a horrible geographic fit even if the B1G does pick up UVa. I would much rather see the league not pick up GT for the sake of hitting 16 and wait a year or two to see how things shake out with the ACC pillaging to see if they can convince UNC to jump ship (admittedly, not much better). If we're going to reach into the realm of the improbable, hell, Vandy is a better located school, but there's no chance they're leaving the SEC.
 
My guess is other ACC teams will wait and see what happens with the UMD lawsuit and what type of buyout they end up actually paying.

If they get hit with the full $50 million, the ACC may survive. If it gets chopped down, others may jump.

I think it will get chopped down. Hard for the ACC to argue that UMD leaving did that kind of damage to the league when they added Louisville right away and the commissioner said "the league has never been stronger." Kind of takes the teeth out of saying UMD leaving did much financial damage to the league. UMD also has some leverage in that they (along with FSU) voted against the increased buyout.

So I expect it will get cut way down. Just like A&M and Missouri (and Nebraska and Colorado before) paid way less than the contracted buyout to leave the Big 12, WVU, Pitt and Syracuse got out of the Big East 27 month waiting period etc.

Geography just doesn't matter than much anymore. See WVU in the Big 12, Boise, San Diego State, Houston, SMU, Tulsa etc. in the Big East. The travel just isn't that big a deal. If say Michigan is going to fly to games in Nebraska or Iowa, not really much different to fly to Atlanta if GT joins in terms of travel fatigue for players. Money is moot as adding a huge market like Atlanta for the BTN (again, doesn't matter if no one watches--the B1G really figured out a good racket with starting a cable network) will more than pay for the increased travel. Using WVU as an example, sure travel costs jumped. But the Big 12 payout is $20 million per year, where as they usually got around $6 million from the Big East. Even with only getting a 50% share this year (goes up each year, 100% in 5th year in league) the increased revenue more than covers travel costs.
 
Losing a CHARTER member is a major loss for the ACC, even if the fine stays at $50 million. I think FSU, GT and Clemson would be the first to leave if given a chance. I think the ACC is done though. Ever since they added Miami, BC and VT the league has gone completely downhill in almost all sports.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Losing a CHARTER member is a major loss for the ACC, even if the fine stays at $50 million. I think FSU, GT and Clemson would be the first to leave if given a chance. I think the ACC is done though. Ever since they added Miami, BC and VT the league has gone completely downhill in almost all sports.[/QUOTE]

The ACC started all of this shit when they raped the BE and took VT, BC and Miami from us!

They deserve to burn.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']My guess is other ACC teams will wait and see what happens with the UMD lawsuit and what type of buyout they end up actually paying.

If they get hit with the full $50 million, the ACC may survive. If it gets chopped down, others may jump.

I think it will get chopped down. Hard for the ACC to argue that UMD leaving did that kind of damage to the league when they added Louisville right away and the commissioner said "the league has never been stronger." Kind of takes the teeth out of saying UMD leaving did much financial damage to the league. UMD also has some leverage in that they (along with FSU) voted against the increased buyout.

So I expect it will get cut way down. Just like A&M and Missouri (and Nebraska and Colorado before) paid way less than the contracted buyout to leave the Big 12, WVU, Pitt and Syracuse got out of the Big East 27 month waiting period etc.

Geography just doesn't matter than much anymore. See WVU in the Big 12, Boise, San Diego State, Houston, SMU, Tulsa etc. in the Big East. The travel just isn't that big a deal. If say Michigan is going to fly to games in Nebraska or Iowa, not really much different to fly to Atlanta if GT joins in terms of travel fatigue for players. Money is moot as adding a huge market like Atlanta for the BTN (again, doesn't matter if no one watches--the B1G really figured out a good racket with starting a cable network) will more than pay for the increased travel. Using WVU as an example, sure travel costs jumped. But the Big 12 payout is $20 million per year, where as they usually got around $6 million from the Big East. Even with only getting a 50% share this year (goes up each year, 100% in 5th year in league) the increased revenue more than covers travel costs.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe the ACC has a chance in hell of winning the suit and they know this. The ACC will have no choice but to settle. UMD is a state school (for all intents and purposes it is the state of Maryland) and the ACC is a private corporation. As you so eloquentily stated above, UMD has always voted against the implementation of an exit fee on legal grounds. Thus, the legal question becomes whether a private corporation can implement a tariff/tax against the state, when the state has refused to subject itself to such a tax? Many attorneys, myself included, believe the answer to be no.

The next step in the lawsuitis a change of venue/jurisdiction from North Carolina to Maryland, at which point the two parties will sit at the table and start negotiating a settlement because no Maryland Judge will rule in the ACC's favor.
 
So I know its just the AP poll, but NIU came in at 16th, so I can pray and hope they make it into the orange bowl still. Apparently Louisville is projected to get the bowl invite.

Can someone care to explain how Louisville would get the bowl invite over NIU even if they aren't ranked higher than NIU?
 
[quote name='Prepster']So I know its just the AP poll, but NIU came in at 16th, so I can pray and hope they make it into the orange bowl still. Apparently Louisville is projected to get the bowl invite.

Can someone care to explain how Louisville would get the bowl invite over NIU even if they aren't ranked higher than NIU?[/QUOTE]

Louisville gets an auto bid as the Big East champion so they'll play in the Sugar Bowl against FL. If NIU comes in 16th in the BCS standing they'll be going to the Orange Bowl.

As a Rutgers fan this makes Thursday nights debacle even worse.
 
[quote name='Prepster']So I know its just the AP poll, but NIU came in at 16th, so I can pray and hope they make it into the orange bowl still. Apparently Louisville is projected to get the bowl invite.

Can someone care to explain how Louisville would get the bowl invite over NIU even if they aren't ranked higher than NIU?[/QUOTE]
Louisville is the Big East Champion. The Big East Champion automatically gets one of the at-large BCS bowls.

NIU at #16 will not make the BCS.

Championship is set. Notre Dame vs Alabama.
Rose is set. Stanford vs Wisconsin.
Sugar. Florida vs ???
Fiesta. Kansas St vs ???
Orange. FSU vs ???

Louisville gets one of the ???. Probably Orange.
Oregon gets one of the ???. Probably Fiesta.

The last one will either be Oklahoma or Clemson. Book it!
 
NIU at 16 HAS to get a BCS bid.

There's a rule that if an non AQ team finishes in the top 16 AND is ranked higher than one of the AQ league champs, the have to receive an at large bid. The bowls have no choice. It was something they put in place a few years ago when congress was threatening to get involved over teams like Utah getting left out etc.

And they will be ranked higher than Louisville, so if they finish 16th, they will be playing FSU in the Orange Bowl (since that's the BCS bowl that has the last at large selection this year).


KSU vs. Oregon in the fiesta will be the match up I look forward to the most. Was really hoping that would end up being the title game this year.


Some coaching news:

NC State hired NIU's coach.

Skip Holtz fired by USF.

Cincy's Butch Jones is interviewing at Purdue.

Jimbo Fisher rumored to interview for Tennessee. Gruden said no.

Haven't heard much lately on the searches at Auburn or Arkansas (since Miles turned them down to stay at LSU).
 
[quote name='lordopus99']NIU at #16 will not make the BCS. [/QUOTE]

This is part of why no one takes you seriously.

NC State hiring NIU's coach right now is in poor taste and poor timing when they still have an outside shot at a BCS bowl and will be playing in a bowl regardless. NCAA should really institute a rule disallowing hires of coaches who still have games to play that season, or just do a blanket ban on all coaching hires until after the NCG.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']This is part of why no one takes you seriously.

NC State hiring NIU's coach right now is in poor taste and poor timing when they still have an outside shot at a BCS bowl and will be playing in a bowl regardless. NCAA should really institute a rule disallowing hires of coaches who still have games to play that season, or just do a blanket ban on all coaching hires until after the NCG.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. The only problem with waiting is the impact it will have on recruiting and getting the coaching staff together.
 
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I should have googled it, but I just kept hearing Louisville was projected to play in the Orange Bowl.

And the news about NIU's coach leaving for NC State immediately is a joke. NCAA really should stop that from happening until after the bowl games are over with.
 
What? If NIU isn't in the top 16 then of course they won't make it. There is no way that NIU ranked at #16 does not make a BCS game. No "waiting to see how things play out" required, it's in the BCS rules on the official website.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Louisville is the Big East Champion. The Big East Champion automatically gets one of the at-large BCS bowls.

NIU at #16 will not make the BCS.

The last one will either be Oklahoma or Clemson. Book it![/QUOTE]

Quoting this so we all can laugh.
 
Lame crop of BCS games.

FSU will kill NIU and Florida will kill Louisville. Rose bowl will probably bee lame too unless Wisconsin's running game goes off again.

Fiesta is only one I'm looking forward to. National title game should be good, but I despise both teams so I have no real interest in watching.

WVU got hosed too. Not only stuck in the Pinstripe Bowl, but against Syracuse instead of reviving the Backyard Brawl with Pitt. :bomb:
 
Kirk Herbstreit, you are a massive asshole. Plenty of fuel to fire up NIU after his embarrassing rant during the selection show. I think NIU can make a game of it, but losing their coach is really going to hurt.
 
Hopefully NIU getting in will make some of the big boys that got left up get more riled up and push to get to four 16 team conferences and lock everyone else out of the playoff.

I loathe FSU, but they'll destroy NIU.
 
Congrats boys.

When that rule was put into place, teams like Boise St, TCU, and Utah beat good AQ schools. NIU hasn't done that. They survived Army by a 1pt and were beat by 4-8 Iowa. They beat Kent St who was slaughtered by 2-10 Kentucky. Do these guys stand any chance against 12-1 FSU.... No way. Luckily Fisher calls off the dogs at a certain point or this would be extremely ugly.

The other BCS games... more of the same; games that will be over by half. The only good out of it is Oregon finally gets their hands on Kansas State (who backed out of their game this year).
 
I was away for a few days so I missed the whole N.Illinois getting into the BCS thing. I'm glad they made it in. I think they have a better chance against Florida St. than Louisville does against Florida but losing the Husky headman could really screw them. The Fiesta bowl could be a good "what if?" type game and might be fun to watch.

I like my Wolverines chances against S.Carolina in the Outback bowl, they would have had a tough time with Georgia in the Capital One bowl so Nebraska may have done them a favor by forgetting to bring their defense against Wisconsin.

As for the Big Ten getting Georgia Tech., I'd love to be able watch Michigan more (I live in Atlanta) but I'd hope the Yellowjackets joined in tandem with the Tarheels.
 
People keep saying that NIU lost to Iowa. Big deal, it was the first game of the season and Jordan lynchs first ever game as starting quarterback. NIU went and won 12 straight after that. Fyi Florida State has 2 losses, not one. And I love how people all seem to have crystal balls and know exactly how the games are going to play out.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Congrats boys.

When that rule was put into place, teams like Boise St, TCU, and Utah beat good AQ schools. NIU hasn't done that. They survived Army by a 1pt and were beat by 4-8 Iowa. They beat Kent St who was slaughtered by 2-10 Kentucky. Do these guys stand any chance against 12-1 FSU.... No way. Luckily Fisher calls off the dogs at a certain point or this would be extremely ugly.

The other BCS games... more of the same; games that will be over by half. The only good out of it is Oregon finally gets their hands on Kansas State (who backed out of their game this year).[/QUOTE]

Actually the rule was put in place to allow for non AQ schools to get access to BCS bowl games which seems fair considering that the ACC and Big East Champs get automatic bids. Personally I don't think it's that big a deal. Everyone knew the rules before they started playing under the current system. Also, a one loss ND team gets an at large bid to a BCS bowl. ND essentially has two outs to get to a BCS game, one loss or top 16.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']I hope they try and the FBS gets brought down in a massive antitrust lawsuit.[/QUOTE]

Would never happen. With 64 teams plenty are included and they can just build in some near impossible way for outside teams to make the playoffs to appease that issue. Like this top 16 and ranked higher than an AQ conference champ rule the BCS has that almost never matters.

With the playoff teams being selected by a committee, the non-majors will never make it in anyway. They'll just be eligible for the "access bowls" as they're calling the major bowls taht aren't part of the playoffs in a given year.
 
[quote name='Prepster']People keep saying that NIU lost to Iowa. Big deal, it was the first game of the season and Jordan lynchs first ever game as starting quarterback. NIU went and won 12 straight after that. Fyi Florida State has 2 losses, not one. And I love how people all seem to have crystal balls and know exactly how the games are going to play out.[/QUOTE]

1 of those losses is to UF who is the number 3 team in the BCS who knocked off four top 10 teams. NC State was a fluke and also away. The Orange Bowl is in Florida.

PS Army wasn't week 1. Kent St was brutally beaten by 2-10 Kentucky... In other words overrated to begin with. NIU didnt beat any school of worth like the Boise St, TCU, and Utah teams that came before them. Herbstreit said it best on the BCS selection show "NIU inclusion in the BCS is a joke."
 
N Illinois beat Army 41 - 40
Army beat Boston College 34 - 31
Boston College beat Maryland 20 - 17
Maryland beat Virginia 27 - 20
Virginia beat NC State 33 - 6
NC State beat Florida St 17 - 16

I can make dumb arguments too.
 
For the more reasonable people here: Look, my argument isn't that NIU is one of the ten best teams in FBS. It's that there is no reason for ESPN (or any sports fan/analyst) to be so unprofessional and negative against NIU (lost to third worst in the B1G) getting a bid but being perfectly ok with Wisconsin (8-5) and Louisville (lost to UConn, next to last in Big East) making their bowls.

Let's just get it over with and go to an 8 team playoff, top 8 ranked conference champions get in (effectively making it a 16 team playoff). Reserve one spot for a high ranking independent. Best way to have a high ranking? Schedule tough OOC opponents -- if the postseason is based strictly on winning your conference then teams can take more risks in scheduling. The power teams want to complain? They're more than welcome to move to a mid-major conference and give up their eight figure TV deal. If they want the big money they can earn it on the field through regular season play.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']For the more reasonable people here: Look, my argument isn't that NIU is one of the ten best teams in FBS. It's that there is no reason for ESPN (or any sports fan/analyst) to be so unprofessional and negative against NIU (lost to third worst in the B1G) getting a bid but being perfectly ok with Wisconsin (8-5) and Louisville (lost to UConn, next to last in Big East) making their bowls.

Let's just get it over with and go to an 8 team playoff, top 8 ranked conference champions get in (effectively making it a 16 team playoff). Reserve one spot for a high ranking independent. Best way to have a high ranking? Schedule tough OOC opponents -- if the postseason is based strictly on winning your conference then teams can take more risks in scheduling. The power teams want to complain? They're more than welcome to move to a mid-major conference and give up their eight figure TV deal. If they want the big money they can earn it on the field through regular season play.[/QUOTE]


What you are saying would make sense if college sports were about fairness (an even playing field) but that's never been the case. The "Big" teams always have an advantage in recruiting, facilities, alumni donations and most importantly perception. Fairness never enters the equation. The top 4 (or 5 if you want to include the ACC) conferences have all the power and money. Why would they share any of it? They don't have to and they won't. The at large bid was created as a way to allow for ND to get into a BCS bowl game if they had more than 1 loss and to remove any sense of impropriety. At the end of the day college sports (football/basketball) is all about making money. The TV networks want the sexy matchups and the bowls themselves want high attendance numbers.
 
You can't let all 8 conference champs in. The Sun Belt, MAC, WAC an what's left of the MWC Just don't belong at the top tier.

Putting all or some of those teams automatically in an 8 or even 16 team playoff makes the playoff field terribly unbalanced with some major conference champs getting basically a bye while others have tough games against major conference teams.

It works in basketballs where there's a huge field and its easier for the small schools to compete. Just doesn't work in football. They need to get the top tier down to the best 60-80 programs and come up with an 8 team playoff among those teams.

I do agree that Wisconsin and Louisville are equally bad BCS picks this year and I've always said auto bids should come with requirements of being ranked in the top 12 or 16 or something.

Sucks having those two and NIU in BCS games with teams like A&M, Oklahoma and Georgia in lesser bowls. Would love to see those teams playing UF, FSU, an Stanford instead.

Excuse any typos. Posting from phone during lunch.
 
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[quote name='dmaul1114']You can't let all 8 conference champs in. The Sun Belt, MAC, WAC an what's left of the MWC Just don't belong at the top tier.

Putting all or some of those teams automatically in an 8 or even 16 team playoff makes the playoff field terribly unbalanced with some major conference champs getting basically a bye while others have tough games against major conference teams.

It works in basketballs where there's a huge field and its easier for the small schools to compete. Just doesn't work in football. They need to get the top tier down to the best 60-80 programs and come up with an 8 team playoff among those teams.

Excuse any typos. Posting from phone during lunch.[/QUOTE]


So your argument is that the best teams have an easier road to the championship, and therefore the system should be dismissed? This is how a playoff works in every sport. If you want an easy road in the playoffs, schedule strong competition and win in the regular season.

There is no way that FBS is dropping nearly half their members. I'm not sure why you hate the non-AQs so much but they aren't going anywhere and in the past have proved they can "hang with the big boys".
 
In my perfect world, there would be 4 16-team conferences with a 12 team playoff. The 4 conference champs get first round byes, and then there are 8 at-large spots.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']

So your argument is that the best teams have an easier road to the championship, and therefore the system should be dismissed? This is how a playoff works in every sport. If you want an easy road in the playoffs, schedule strong competition and win in the regular season.

There is no way that FBS is dropping nearly half their members. I'm not sure why you hate the non-AQs so much but they aren't going anywhere and in the past have proved they can "hang with the big boys".[/QUOTE]

Under the new playoff system the powers to be have already dropped all the "little" guys, which is why I don't understand why so many people are in love with it. As of right now, there is almost no way for a non-AQ to make it into the 4 team playoff. They would need to have an all-time great season (undefeated) to even get a sniff at the new playoffs as a non-AQ and that's assuming that ND doesn't take up the one at large spot. Even if they expand to 8 or 16 teams, they are not going to add more than one additional at large spot.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']
There is no way that FBS is dropping nearly half their members. I'm not sure why you hate the non-AQs so much but they aren't going anywhere and in the past have proved they can "hang with the big boys".[/QUOTE]

I don't hate them. The vast majority just shouldn't be at the top level as they will never sniff a championship. I have no interest in watching a team like NIU play a team like FSU. I'd rather never watch sports again than waste 3 1/2 hours of my life on that game.

Boise, TCU and Utah (and to a lesser extent--and more based on the past--BYU) are the only teams outside current AQ leagues that have shown they can play with the big boys. Just get them all in the 4 or 5 power leagues when they create a new D1 and be done with it.

Fans of teams like NIU should be happier to have a new division where they can actually compete for a title. And fans like me can have playoffs full of big name, elite programs slugging in out.

I just don't care about the Cinderalla stories. I don't much care for the first couple days of the NCAA basketball tournament. Sure, there's an exciting upset or three, but for everyone of those there's several shitty little schools getting blown out by 30. Lucky to get 2 or 3 matchups of big name schools on the opening Thursday or Friday.

And in football that's just exacerbated even more as it's just impossible for the little schools to compete with the big boys they way someone like Butler can in basketball. They just don't have the money or prestige to get enough top talent. Vs. basketball where 1 or 2 star players with a solid supporting cast can make a run.

It's not feasible, but it would be neat if they could do something like they do in some of the European soccer leagues where teams that suck get relegated to a lower level and lower level teams can earn their way up.
 
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[quote name='Genocidal']For the more reasonable people here: Look, my argument isn't that NIU is one of the ten best teams in FBS. It's that there is no reason for ESPN (or any sports fan/analyst) to be so unprofessional and negative against NIU (lost to third worst in the B1G) getting a bid but being perfectly ok with Wisconsin (8-5) and Louisville (lost to UConn, next to last in Big East) making their bowls.[/quote]
So you are backtracking from your petty previous comment...
Again, NIU hasn't beaten a team worth half a damn. This is why ESPN and other news outlets are shitting on NIU. They would rather see FSU play a team that actually has a chance to win.

SOS Rankings (124 FBS teams) on teamrankings
NIU - #100
Wisconsin - #27
Louisville - #61

NIU is outclassed in every facet and you will see come Jan 1. But my guess is deep down you realize that they don't have a chance and won't watch.
 
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