Official (2015-2016) College Football Thread OSU#1

Blindinglights, Opus is one of those people not worth arguing with as they have terrible opinions they defend to the death. Thread gets old with people going back and forth with him over the same stupid argument over and over.


Anyway, gutty performance from WVU in terrible weather at Rutgers. Down 31-21 at the half, and win 41-31.

Syracuse lost to Louisville today, so WVU is back to controlling their fate in the Big East. Win out and they win the conference and BCS bid.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Blindinglights, Opus is one of those people not worth arguing with as they have terrible opinions they defend to the death. Thread gets old with people going back and forth with him over the same stupid argument over and over.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, sorry. I'll just let it go. He gets me with the statistics bait.

So...

Kansas State... Fraud exposed?
 
[quote name='blindinglights']Yeah, sorry. I'll just let it go. He gets me with the statistics bait.

So...

Kansas State... Fraud exposed?[/QUOTE]



I don't know that they're a fraud because I think overall they're a solid team. They just aren't a BCS contender this year. As soon as OU shut down their running game and got them down by a couple scores it was all over. They can't pass the ball very well and they're not a quick strike offense so they don't have the firepower to come back from large deficits.

I'm really afraid of what might happen to them next week. Oklahoma State is rolling right now.
 
Stanford is a tad overrated as they're not great on defense. But USC is pretty good this year as well.

6-1 with just the loss to ASU.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Blindinglights, Opus is one of those people not worth arguing with as they have terrible opinions they defend to the death.[/quote]
And what was the terrible opinion about Keenum? Do you feel he is a fraud because anyone playing in a non-AQ conference is supposed to be garbage since their comp is supposed to be garbage?

I use statistical facts and occasionly bring youtube into it. I can't make up that stuff. Just saying...

Thread gets old with people going back and forth with him over the same stupid argument over and over.
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Same? Each discussion or as you say argument is different, not the same. As for the thread getting old, I would say all the daily posts (mainly by 1) about expansion rumors/talks were already making this thread tiredsome.

[quote name='blindinglights']Kansas State... Fraud exposed?[/quote]
Fraud is a strong word. I would say they are and have been this year an average to good team. Their ranking wasn't proving to me as they only won by a score in wins against similar comp. Today they finally hit the bulk of their schedule and met their first good to great team and we saw the result.

[quote name='Chitown021']What is going on with Stanford? Are they a pretender? They are really struggling with USC. [/quote]
USC isn't a bad team and they are playing them at their home so this is no surprised. For Stanford, they really haven't played anyone. Most of the teams they have played are bottom feeders i.e. haven't been challenged.

All I ask is how are Wisconsin fans doing? Second week, second hail mary finish to beat them. Ouch :cold:
 
I'm wondering where those yards went on that holding penalty on Stanford in OT. After the call, it was 2nd and 7 and wasn't even placed ten yards back....???????
 
I must have missed that play, but if it was down field holding its 10 yards from the spot of the foul rather than the line of scrimmage.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I must have missed that play, but if it was down field holding its 10 yards from the spot of the foul rather than the line of scrimmage.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it was, but I'm so used to NFL rules I've always assumed that was just a blanket football rule. The commentators were even mentioning Kiffin was pretty pissed about the ball placement also.

It was a pretty exciting game, I just can't believe the RB didn't cover up before running into that wall and the receiver barely stepped out of bounds on the play before -_-
 
That was a wild ending to a crazy game. It looked like USC was going to march into the endzone, they fumble the ball, and get the unfortunate bounce right into Stanford's hands. If the receiver hadn't just barely stepped out of bounds on the prior play then they would have scored and there would not have been a fumble.

That and in regulation if USC had been smarter on their final possession they could have saved a second or two to attempt a last second game willing FG.
 
[quote name='Chitown021']That and in regulation if USC had been smarter on their final possession they could have saved a second or two to attempt a last second game willing FG.[/QUOTE]

This. That guy didn't make the smartest decision by trying to run from one sideline to the other with a couple seconds left. Follow your blockers and get out of bounds, or at least just go down, you had two timeouts left! :wall:
 
Buffalo Wild Wings didn't deliver 4th OT :cry:.

I have a feeling that Stanford is going to get slammed by Oregon.

Anyone see the schedule next week? Other than LSU/Bama, it's pretty uneventful.

Also, B1G Wheel of Destiny coming soon to College Football Final near you.
 
Yeah, I don't see Stanford beating Oregon. Their defense just isn't good enough. If they do pull it out it will be another crazy shootout.

The whole season is pretty uneventful/anticlimatic IMO as I just don't see anyone beating the LSU/Bama. Another year, another SEC national champion most likely. The other top teams just don't have great defenses.
 
[quote name='blindinglights']Buffalo Wild Wings didn't deliver 4th OT :cry:.

I have a feeling that Stanford is going to get slammed by Oregon.

Anyone see the schedule next week? Other than LSU/Bama, it's pretty uneventful.

Also, B1G Wheel of Destiny coming soon to College Football Final near you.[/QUOTE]

That just got very interesting. The following teams have realistic shots of making it to the Conference Championship in Indy:

Legends
Nebraska - Northwestern/at Penn State/at Michigan/Iowa (brutal going to Penn State/Michigan back to back weeks)
Michigan - at Iowa/at Illinois/Nebraska/Ohio State
Michigan State - Minnesota/at Iowa/Indiana/at Northwestern
Iowa (play all 3 teams ahead of them) - Michigan/Michigan State/at Purdue/at Nebraska (absolutely brutal, but not completely out of the question, only being 1 game out)

Leaders
Penn State - Nebraska/at Ohio State/at Wisconsin (toughest road in the Leaders, but theirs to lose with 3 games to go)
Ohio State - Indiana/at Purdue/Penn State/at Michigan
Wisconsin - Purdue/at Minnesota/at Illinois/Penn State
Purdue (still a shot) - at Wisconsin/Ohio State/Iowa/at Indiana

If things hold true, which they won't, I would imagine we will see Michigan playing Penn State for the trip to the Rose Bowl. The most interesting result would be Iowa and Purdue, though everything would have to fall in line for both of those teams, especially with playing one another.
 
Yesterday was one of the most satisfying college football days for me in recent memory. As a Georgia boy, any time we manage to get past Florida seems like a
miracle. I realize they're not the team they once were and that they handed us all kinds of opportunities, but it still felt like a quality win.

I'm also a Ga. Tech fan, believe it or not, since I'm married to one of its alums (undergrad and currently wrapping up her Masters there). So obviously that was an unbelievable game to witness. To simply win would have been impressive enough, but they dominated from start to finish. Now I'm scared again about running into them next month.

Of course, whatever happens there won't affect Georgia's division hopes. I think they have a very realistic chance of running the table and winning the SEC east (it's only a matter of time for South Carolina). I have no illusions beyond that: They're going to get massacred by whichever beast from the West they face. But we'll still go to a decent bowl and have a nice record and Richt won't be worried about his job, which is more than I can say about the last couple years. We'll also be really well positioned for next year.
 
[quote name='blindinglights']
I have a feeling that Stanford is going to get slammed by Oregon.
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It's the Pac-10. No one plays defense. This will be a shootout game at Stanford's home. +1 to the home team.

Anyone see the schedule next week? Other than LSU/Bama, it's pretty uneventful.
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The Big 12 should show whose whose by weekend end.
Oklahoma/Texas A&M
Oklahoma St/Kansas St
even, Texas/Texas Tech should be evenful from that conference.

Outside that, Arkansas/South Carolina should be a fun one.

[quote name='dmaul1114']The whole season is pretty uneventful/anticlimatic IMO as I just don't see anyone beating the LSU/Bama. Another year, another SEC national champion most likely. The other top teams just don't have great defenses. [/quote]
Isn't that the case every year... The only team I could see hanging (i.e. being semi-competitive) is Boise St (good defense/senior offense) and they won't make it into that game. Maybe there will be potential of a rematch game in the Natty. 1 Loss LSU vs undefeated Alabama with the way things have been going with the undefeated teams. :D

[quote name='Tybee']But we'll still go to a decent bowl and have a nice record and Richt won't be worried about his job, which is more than I can say about the last couple years[/quote]
I never really understood why his job was in question. He is a good coach that just happens to play in the best conference in college football and recruits in the same area as alot of really good teams. Good thing they didn't pull the trigger on him or the team could have ended up like Tenn since firing a good coach in Fulmer.
 
Definitely, some great games yesterday! Stanford vs USC and OSU vs Wisc became instant classics. I'm quite happy today since I didn't think the Buckeyes had a good shot of winning the game. However, I was proven wrong and look forward to the next few weeks to see how it all ends. Next week has some amazing match-ups with the marque obviously LSU vs Bama.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7177969/big-east-invite-six-football-according-report

Big East is inviting Boise State, Navy and Air Force for football only and SMU, Houston and Central Florida for all sports.

WVU is suing the Big East to get out of the 27 month waiting period.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...east-places-blame-commissioner-john-marinatto[/QUOTE]



What's the chances Boise declines given the unstable nature of the conference? Or is the invitation just the formality and they've already verbally accepted?

Also, what's the chances that Pitt and Syracuse get out of the 27 months too?
 
Conferences generally don't give invites if they're not sure they'll be accepted. The new Big East is still stronger than the MWC. MWC is pretty pathetic after the departures of Utah, TCU and BYU.

The 27 month thing is hard to say. WVU will definitely get out of it--they'll end up settling out of court. They have to join the Big 12 next year (unless Mizzou stays) as the league needs at least 10 teams or the TV contract is void.

Once they leave there's no way the Big East can't let Pitt and Cuse leave under the same conditions, so it would just be a matter of whether those schools are willing to pay the fee or not since the ACC has said it's fine waiting for them to join in 2014.

My guess is WVU, Pitt and Cuse all leave after this year. Just no point for the Big East to keep those teams if they're bringing in all these new teams next year. They'll all pay up, and the big east will take the money and new teams and move on.
 
[quote name='blindinglights']What's the chances Boise declines given the unstable nature of the conference?[/QUOTE]
Why would they decline; it gets them in a AQ conference with a BCS autobid. ;)
 
So it's official...Mizzou to the SEC (East).

As a UGA alum, this just feels weird and wrong. But I guess everybody wants to be in the SEC (and the SEC wants them so they can spread their influence).

The SEC: Three tigers, two bulldogs, and a gamecock in a pear tree... :roll:
 
Step Right Up, Step Right Up. It's Yours For The Taking...

Which one of the B10 teams is going to take that conference...
NW dropped Nebraska
Iowa dropped Michigan

Up next...
@Penn St/Nebraska
Wisconsin/@Minn
Mich St/@Iowa
Mich/@Illinois
 
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/52864859-88/byu-east-football-conference.html.csp

BYU is in talks with the Big East.

Big East could actually end up ok as an East-West Conference if Boise and BYU both join along with the other rumored to be invited teams (Houston, SMU, Air Force, Navy, UCF) and they don't lose any more of the 5 remaining teams.

That would probably keep an autobid, as with that and the other 5 BCS leagues you'd have all the strong mid majors from recent years in AQ leagues which would shut up a lot of complaining.

Well, other than Hawai'i, but they've struggled since Jones left and are never going to be in a power league due to the travel.
 
I'm sure the mid-major issue won't go away. Once the Boises and TCUs are gone, other teams will eventually emerge as strong programs in those conferences. Maybe we'll see Nevada start putting together 11+ win seasons on a regular basis.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']if this stupid scandal takes down paterno I'm gonna be pissed.[/QUOTE]

Disagree. He should not be allow to coach any more if this is true.
 
Agreed. I'd hardly call covering up a child molestation in the locker room a "stupid scandal."

Granted he may not have been involved with the cover up since he says he told the AD about it. But even if that's true he knew nothing was done about it and should have went to someone else to report the crime.
 
I'm pretty appalled at the Penn State scandal, but I'm hesitant to jump on the "Fire Paterno" wagon before we start hearing some testimonies in the trial. This whole thing is awful, but I want to hear the full set of details from the parties involved before I allow what I think about a living legend like Paterno to be tainted.

Furthermore, I'm of the understanding that the graduate assistant who witnessed the abuse went on to work there at the university for years afterwards and never spoke up. I've also read about janitors who witnessed abuse also didn't speak up in fear of losing their jobs. That being the case, it's apparent to me that Paterno is taking a lot of the heat as the face of the program when in reality, the failure to meet the moral obligations of society seems to weigh on the shoulders of multiple people.
 
[quote name='Rocko']I think it will be absolutely absurd if Paterno is fired and his legacy tainted because of this.[/QUOTE]

Really?

Prepare for absurdity in 3... 2... 1...
 
[quote name='Rocko']I think it will be absolutely absurd if Paterno is fired and his legacy tainted because of this.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to hear your opinion on the Catholic Church, then.
 
Granted he may not have been involved with the cover up since he says he told the AD about it. But even if that's true he knew nothing was done about it and should have went to someone else to report the crime.
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From what we know right now he SAW NOTHING. The only thing he heard was from the grad student, and reported what he heard up the chain of command, following protocol. You can't just go to the police with a second hand story about something the grad student thought he saw, with no name of the kid, no video/proof of what you were telling them. If anything, this lands on the grad student for being a moron and not calling the police, and wtf, why didn't he stop it when he saw it? That makes no sense.

But to bring Paterno down in this for not reporting what are essentially rumors to the police? That is absolutely insane.
I'd love to hear your opinion on the Catholic Church, then.
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Disgusting. Sick. Unrepentant. Predatory.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']
But to bring Paterno down in this for not reporting what are essentially rumors to the police? That is absolutely insane.[/QUOTE]
It goes beyond that. It's not insane at all.

He and every other administrator at PSU knew Sandusky was pedo, or at least was under suspicion of being a pedo. They continued to allow him to use PSU facilities for visits with kids, and worse yet he did it unchecked.

The report that he got from the GA (now his WR coach) wasn't "Hey, I saw Sandusky acting weird around a kid." It was "I heard what sounded like sex noises in the shower and I went there and I saw Sandusky ass fucking a 10 year old kid." Look in the 25 page grand jury report that was made available.

The victim count is now up to as many as 20. If you don't think JoePa was complicit in this, and that he and the PSU administration didn't look the other way, you're the insane one in this. They should all lose their jobs at a minimum. They're a disgrace to PSU, college athletics, and humanity in general.
 
why didn't the GA stop it?
why didn't the GA report it to the police?
why didn't the GA remove the child from the situation instead of telling Paterno?
why didn't the head of Penn State's police department investigate it?
why didn't the AD take away his office?
why didn't the AD remove his access to the facilities?
 
The report that he got from the GA (now his WR coach) wasn't "Hey, I saw Sandusky acting weird around a kid." It was "I heard what sounded like sex noises in the shower and I went there and I saw Sandusky ass ing a 10 year old kid." Look in the 25 page grand jury report that was made available.
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Have you read the report? Read it again. The grad assistant saw a little kid being RAPED and left because he was distraught? He didn absolutely nothing to stop what was happening, and then went to his office and called his dad, not 911 or the campus police? So then a day later he reports what happened to Paterno, not the police or campus police. Paterno then tells his AD, superior, what happened in order for him to take control of the situation, seeing as Paterno is a coach, who teaches kids how to pass, run the ball, or tackle, and isn't a police officer. The AD then reports it to Gary Schultz, then head of the campus PD, and they had a meeting with the GA. This is where the whole thing snowballs out of control.

What did you want Paterno to do, go Rambo in the locker room? This doesn't fall on Paterno. This falls on the GA. He should have done something to stop it. He should have called the police. He should have done SOMETHING other then tell a FOOTBALL COACH that he saw someone getting raped.
 
Legally Paterno did what he was suppose to do. Morally he should have follow up when he realized that the school wasn't doing anything.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']What did you want Paterno to do, go Rambo in the locker room? This doesn't fall on Paterno. This falls on the GA. He should have done something to stop it. He should have called the police. He should have done SOMETHING other then tell a FOOTBALL COACH that he saw someone getting raped.[/QUOTE]

I'm not just picking on JoePa. They should all be let go. But you keep coming back to how "insane" it is for JoePa to get what's coming to him.

Sure, he's an HC, but let's not pretend JoePa is just another HC, he runs the show at PSU and answers to nobody. He's one of many who allowed Sandusky to hang around PSU facilities as recently as a week ago. And on many of those occasions Sandusky had a kid in tow. They've known since at least 1998 that the guy was a pedo, and it's been on the record since 2002 that he suspected of being a pedo.

And yet he's welcomed back to campus, and everybody, JoePa included, looked the other way. Sure, he reported the GA's findings to the AD, good for him. He's still an amoral enabler. He's still the half-senile ballcoach who just last night asked students to "pray for the victims or whatever they call them" and then led the crowd in a pep rally cheer. WTF.

None of this raises the fact that when JoePa was asked about Sandusky when this first broke before last weekend, he was "shocked" by the news. Even though he admitted to the grand jury in 2002 that he knew the GA's story in full. So which is it, are you shocked that he's a pedo or is this something you'd known about for at least 10 years?

If JoePa's case is that he never believed that Sandusky was a pedo (as reported to him by the GA), then why would you later hire that same GA? Why would you keep him on staff -- to this day -- as a WR coach? Maybe because you suddenly forgot the guy you hired falsely accused your ex-DC of being a pedo (aka the senility angle)? Or maybe because you're hiding something?

You have no cause for outrage as far as JoePa's legacy goes. It's bullshit. It no longer matters. Get real.

EDIT: Sports law writer at SI.com talks about legal implications of merely following protocol when it comes to children being molested.

EDIT2: And now apparently there are rumors that the organization Sandusky founded for kids may have been harboring other child molestors.
 
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Legally Paterno did what he was suppose to do. Morally he should have follow up when he realized that the school wasn't doing anything.
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How would he know that they weren't doing anything. He isn't a cop, it isn't his job to call and check up on them to make sure they were investigating everything. He would have no idea what they were doing with the investigation, seeing as they wouldn't even need to question him since he was not there and wasn't relevant to any investigation. Curley told the GA that Sandusky's keys had been taken away and that things were being taken care of. Paterno had no reason to question any of it.
 
You're right, JoePa's blameless. I suppose he just needs to sit tight while the AD, President, and Board of Trustees sort everything out. No cause here to resign and express his regret at not having done more, or anything.

No wait, that's insane. He had every reason to question what was going inside of his program and effectively *his* facilities. He does things the right way. And we're not talking about acting on the suspicion that players are copping free shoes or tatoos -- we're talking about a key figure in your program supposedly using your facilities as a place to rape kids for at least 15 years, perhaps as many as 25 or 30.

How do you not follow up on that, how do you just report that to the AD and move along? I'm not just asking it of JoePa, either, it goes up and down the chain of command. They all deserve all the shame they get out of this.

JoePa's not the victim here. His legacy isn't the victim. The raped kids are the victims. The entire situation is outrageous and sad, but in all of this, absolutely NONE of your outrage or sadness should be over the state of JoePa's career.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']How would he know that they weren't doing anything. He isn't a cop, it isn't his job to call and check up on them to make sure they were investigating everything. He would have no idea what they were doing with the investigation, seeing as they wouldn't even need to question him since he was not there and wasn't relevant to any investigation. Curley told the GA that Sandusky's keys had been taken away and that things were being taken care of. Paterno had no reason to question any of it.[/QUOTE]

Let it go. You're wrong. Imagine your own son in that bathroom with Sandusky.
Once you're done imagining that horrible image. Now, think, if I was an adult with any human decency would I not do everything possible to never allow that to happen again?
Forget who saw what. He knew about it, and folks like Sandusky do not hide their tendencies. So, I'm certain that in many other ocassions he probably saw strange behavior (just by being around the guy)...and he did nothing else about it.

They should all be fired (president, any staff members that knew about it, Joe Pa). And any adult that tried to cover it up should be held liable.

Yes, there's really one monster in this story, but those that fed the monster or allowed him to keep being a predator should face some consequence.
 
I love Penn State, and I love Joe Paterno, but the people coming out to defend him are crazy. Everyone knows he has massive influence at Penn State, and for him to stand by and do nothing is a bit reprehensible, considering the typically stand up guy he is. He's doing the right thing by stepping down and apologizing, still a class act in my mind even with this scandal. My question is, why the hell didn't the grad assistant do anything?
 
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