OFFICIAL Final Fantasy XII thread

[quote name='Wolfpup']Oh yuck. Final Fantasy 9 and 10 are way better. 10-2 is way better. 12 is a good game, but it's worse than any of the "Final Fantasy Guy's" Final Fantasy games.[/QUOTE]

X-2 is better? Really? That's the only FF I've stayed away from. So I should go ahead and get it?

It's really "way better" than XII??
 
I enjoyed playing XII more than X, though the story and characters are probably the worst in any FF I've played. The gameplay in XII was just so great to me that it excused the weak, convoluted story. I'm more a fan of VI and IX myself, as far as characters and story.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Oh yuck. Final Fantasy 9 and 10 are way better. 10-2 is way better. 12 is a good game, but it's worse than any of the "Final Fantasy Guy's" Final Fantasy games.[/QUOTE]

I thought FFXII was a much better game than FFX. The only leg-up FFX had, in my opinion, was in it's story--not because it was better, but because it held your hand and walked you through it the entire game. With XII, the world is so large and there is so much to do and explore, it's sometimes several hours before you move to the next area and progress the plot.

FFX-2 was way better? I'm not sure how you define these "Final Fantasy Guys," but I'm not so sure they're real fans of the series.
 
The Final Fantasy guy. Hironobu Sakaguchi. I can't remember his name without looking it up :D

Final Fantasy 12 just isn't an FF game. It's not bad, but I'd rather play any of the real FF games, and I wish they would stop using that name-like that's going to happen.

And I can't agree with anything you said about FF 10. I thought it had a massively better story (12's is the worst since FF5), massively better battle system and strategy. Much more interesting world, graphics, etc.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']I thought FFXII was a much better game than FFX. The only leg-up FFX had, in my opinion, was in it's story--not because it was better, but because it held your hand and walked you through it the entire game. With XII, the world is so large and there is so much to do and explore, it's sometimes several hours before you move to the next area and progress the plot.

FFX-2 was way better? I'm not sure how you define these "Final Fantasy Guys," but I'm not so sure they're real fans of the series.[/quote]

I think XII is the best game the FF franchise has seen in a long time. The story isn't one of the best, but it's so much fun to play. IMO the series had been slowly but surely dieing since VIII, which was the last FF I finished before XII.

I consider X-2 to be the worst in the series and didn't enjoy playing X nearly as much as I have XII. I know there a lot of people who liked X, but I can't imagine there being too many fans of the series that would agree that X-2 or IX are anywhere near as good as XII is.
 
I must be one of the Few that hated FF XII. I feel the series last great game was FF X. I loved the orginal mechanics and the switching out of party member in battle.. To me the turn based you on that side they are on this side type of battle is my Favorite.....
 
I just started the game up again after pumping SOOOOO many hours into it the first time. I'm one of those guys who MUST have the ultimate gear, and I missed the Zodiac Spear the first time. I started mist comboing those werewolves in the Giza Plains at lvl 6 and was up to level 20 in 2 hours...switched over to the wild saurian in the estersand and was at 25 before recruiting any other characters, so they all joined at 25. It's definitely nice knowing I won't have to stop and grind every few areas just to progress this time around :) Still such a fun game
 
[quote name='Derrick1979']I must be one of the Few that hated FF XII. I feel the series last great game was FF X. I loved the orginal mechanics and the switching out of party member in battle.. To me the turn based you on that side they are on this side type of battle is my Favorite.....[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, I hated FF 12 too.

Sadly, FF 12 International fixes every damn complaint I had with FF 12, but we won't be seeing that version.

Thanks Square!
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']The Final Fantasy guy. Hironobu Sakaguchi. I can't remember his name without looking it up :D

Final Fantasy 12 just isn't an FF game. It's not bad, but I'd rather play any of the real FF games, and I wish they would stop using that name-like that's going to happen.

And I can't agree with anything you said about FF 10. I thought it had a massively better story (12's is the worst since FF5), massively better battle system and strategy. Much more interesting world, graphics, etc.[/QUOTE]

Ah, I see what you were saying now.

FFXII is as much a Final Fantasy as anything that's come before it. In fact, I'd argue that it's more-so than several installments in the series. Just because your characters don't stand in a line, waiting to step forward and attack, doesn't mean it's not "real."

I'll give you the story, even though I don't necessarily agree, but come on--FFX? Better battle system and "strategy"? The only strategy that came into play in FFX's battles was continuously swapping characters in and out based on their attack abilities, effectively making most battles twice as long (and three times as boring) as they needed to be.
FFX's world was as interesting as that of a rail-shooter, and it looked like a decorated Easter egg. I've never seen such reliance on dull, bleeding pastels in all my life.

Final Fantasy needed a new direction, desperately, and I think what we got was just about as good as anyone could have hoped. It's probably safe to say that the random, turn-based battles that we'd all grown accustomed to are as good as dead, and FFXII was the game to really drive this home. In my opinion, this is what FFX should have been. After FFVIII, I think the series took two major steps backwards--FFIX was intentional (and excellent in that sense), but there isn't really an excuse for FFX.

This game seems to really have a divided camp--too many people were expecting another FFX, and weren't willing to accept something so different. For those of us who didn't think FFX was all that great to begin with, this was a relatively unexpected treat.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Don't worry, I hated FF 12 too.

Sadly, FF 12 International fixes every damn complaint I had with FF 12, but we won't be seeing that version.

Thanks Square![/quote]

What differences are there?
 
[quote name='Roufuss']http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137234

Read through the entire thing since more things keep getting added.

Basacially more playable characters, no more random items, a job system in place instead of the generic license board (my number 1 complaint about FF 12), 480p, controlling guests and espers manually, and some other things.[/QUOTE]

Wow. That international version sounds SOOOO much better. Like a complete make over. And FF12 was above average to begin with (even if it's my least favorite game in the series).
 
Definitely get at least 2 quickenings per character as early as possible. They double your MP and make the early and mid boss fights MUCH easier, though they aren't as useful in the late game.

Also, very minor spoiler depending on in you have more than just Vaan in the party:

Turn Balthier into a tank. I never used him for a long time b/c I thought he was supposed to use guns (since he comes with a gun) and using guns really blows in battles. Give him a good sword and good armor and he's a great character.
 
Darn. I just kept him with guns since he came with them. He was fine that way though for me. I just swapped out characters to keep them the same level.
 
I'm only about 1/3 through the game plot-wise, but already all 6 of my party members have their 3 quickenings. The trick for me was to level up at the mines with the regenerating skeletons worth 130+ XP each that also drop bone fragments that sell for nearly 200 gil. Got a boatload of cash and really powered up before moving on, plus I got to explore a lot of the license board. I love going through the hunts, too.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Darn. I just kept him with guns since he came with them. He was fine that way though for me. I just swapped out characters to keep them the same level.[/QUOTE]

Eh, I used him as my main healer, and I thought he worked great for it. I think guns just kinda suck in general. The game is actually really balanced in that regard--any character can be shoved into basically any role you'd like. That's a good and bad thing--the updated version looks like it will pigeon-hole everyone a little more, and I think that will be better overall.
 
[quote name='Backlash']Definitely get at least 2 quickenings per character as early as possible. They double your MP and make the early and mid boss fights MUCH easier, though they aren't as useful in the late game.

Also, very minor spoiler depending on in you have more than just Vaan in the party:

Turn Balthier into a tank. I never used him for a long time b/c I thought he was supposed to use guns (since he comes with a gun) and using guns really blows in battles. Give him a good sword and good armor and he's a great character.
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Actually don't underestimate the gun. Guns ignore defense so suppose you fight a boss that has high defense against magic and physical attacks, the gun does major damage to them.

I primarily used Balthier as a mage since he uses a ranged weapon. Doesn't really matter what you use as long as you have 3 tanks with Deathbringers. I cruised through the last dungeon and boss with them.
 
I had Ashe as my main healer. Her cure did about 3k. Fran and Penelo also did healing, but also offensive magic and more buffs.

Basche was my main tank with a Deathbringer and sheild and would case protectaga/shellaga and bravery on himself.

Vaan used greatswords with cat ears to go for quick heavy hits.
Balthier got Katanas with genji gloves to do tons of moderate blinding fast attacks. He also served as lighter healer/buffer when things got bad.

My roaming party was usually Basch, Vaan and Ashe. I had Ashe set to keep Basch and Vaan set to berzerk and bravery and haste. They'd do about 5-9k every second or so... :lol:

For bigger baddies, I had Basch set to shell and protect himself and melee the piss outta the boss. Then I'd have Ashe and Fran keep life up and stick lure to Basch as well as buff and nuke as mana and time permitted.

Additionally, a great alternative to elixers during long fights is to just syphon off your main tank. If you buy the whole license board, your main tank should get mana every time he hits and every time he gets hit. So when ever your casters are down about 200 mana, just syphon off your tank and he'll be full again real soon. Basch was a fuckin battery for me. :lol:
 
[quote name='Kayden']Additionally, a great alternative to elixers during long fights is to just syphon off your main tank. If you buy the whole license board, your main tank should get mana every time he hits and every time he gets hit. So when ever your casters are down about 200 mana, just syphon off your tank and he'll be full again real soon. Basch was a fuckin battery for me. :lol:[/QUOTE]


Never thought about that - great idea.

Basically, as everyone said, any person can be any "class." The only thing different is their base stats (strength, agility, etc), so I used those to guide me into who would be which class, mostly.

I used Balthier as a tank because he has good base strength. I used Fran as my first main mage (and then Penelo, and eventually Ashe) because she starts with a good distance weapon.

The only thing that really makes characters different towards mid and end game is teh equipment, since by then they'll all have most of the top license board. I gave Fran and Penelo magic-boosting armor, which helped them become mages. I gave my tanks heavy armor, etc.
 
[quote name='Kendro']Actually don't underestimate the gun. Guns ignore defense so suppose you fight a boss that has high defense against magic and physical attacks, the gun does major damage to them.

I primarily used Balthier as a mage since he uses a ranged weapon. Doesn't really matter what you use as long as you have 3 tanks with Deathbringers. I cruised through the last dungeon and boss with them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it had been a while since I've played it, so I forgot about that-that's one of the reasons I used them. I know sometimes I had to switch everyone to guns.

That's an interesting idea about using your a physical attacker as a "battery" for magic.

I just used everyone the same pretty much though. There didn't seem to be much difference between the characters from what I can remember.
 
well search isnt working, sorry to bump this but im getting raped by gilgamesh.

so my tactic was decoying my tank with brave haste and reverse.
which seemed to work fine until reverse would lapse for a second and id get one shot. whatever the dog is doing its ko'ing. after that its a car wreck.
my tank is a 69 the others are 10-15 below.

help?
 
yea, ive got reddas with me. im gonna give it a go with a more standard method like you described. its the damn dog thats killing me not him.
im done for today, ive put 20 hours in in a little over 2 days, im burnt after hours of that asshole.
1st encounter lasted maybe 3 minutes. wicked easy. maybe ill give it one more go before bed.

edit - gilgamesh is no more. once that dog was gone he was no big deal.
now i go visit fafnir.
 
Uber bump.

I can't seem to get this game to work with my component cables. In the PS2 settings I switched it from 4:3 to 16:9, but when I plug in the component cables and go to Component on the TV, I get a "No signal". Help?
 
[quote name='Moxio']Uber bump.

I can't seem to get this game to work with my component cables. In the PS2 settings I switched it from 4:3 to 16:9, but when I plug in the component cables and go to Component on the TV, I get a "No signal". Help?[/QUOTE]

I believe you need to change the video output also. I think there is an option in the Sony PS2 Menu for Component Cables. I haven't touched my PS2 in a long time but yea check out the Menu and see if there is any "Video Output" you can change to.

EDIT: Change the Video Output from RGB to Component. Hope this helps :D
 
I know for a fact it does work if it's set right, as I played it on my HDTV (strangely, it more than any other game before or since really benefits from widescreen IMO).

The Playstation 2 really does have a confusing video setup! Guess it wasn't that important back 8 years ago :)
 
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