Official Goozex Thread - Goozex is Hiring!

Wow Jay, way to turn yourself into the victim. I can't believe some people are taking you seriously though. So let me get this straight...

You couldn't sell some of the rarest games for the SNES and PSone for several months? But now all of a sudden you declare you are done with the site, then decide to ship those rare games out on the website you are railing against? Then, after not trading for several months, implying you are out of points and/or tokens, you try to get people to commit to trading you 7 games, financed by those "unsellable" rare games (75% of which are the highest price possible in the Goozex system - 1200 points).

Then you confirm that you have already shipped them, ensuring you'll get your 4600 points to use on the 7 games that are "in the mail" to you according to your trading dashboard, but do not ship them because some guy asked about the condition of one of them.

Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, you also had the best interest of Goozex and the community in mind while also trying to set up a clone website.

I'm all for "innocent until proven guilty," but at a certain point you have to call a spade a spade.

You still didn't answer my previous question. Will you be reimbursing Goozex for all the games that were shipped to you with the points you "earned"? And don't say "I'll return them" because just as you said there is no way to prove if you shipped out the games you committed to now that you are disabled, there is also no real way to prove you actually did return them.
 
You're going to have to lend me that time machine of yours because I'd really love to be able to know what stocks to buy and what football games to bet on for the football pool at work

For the record, Jay has a HD DVD in the mail for me. I'll be happy to come back and let you know if I got screwed over or if I get the movie.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Very well said.

Shame we can't have an actual discussion on this matter. But it's clear Goozex is going to cater to a certain type of people. I'm out. Taking my 100 games and 300 movies to half.com.[/QUOTE]

Its pretty simple. If you have confirmed the games shipped they are no longer in your possession and are in the USPS's possession. Thats a pretty simple concept and if he cant understand that concept why should people believe that he is trading out rare games via Goozex. Why would someone trade hundreds of dollars in rare games that are not worth trading on Goozex due to them being worth more than the amount of points recieved for them after they have stated they are done with the site. From here it looks like he tried scamming some free games before he quit. Cant wait till he does that here on CAG.
 
[quote name='Shuffles']

I'm all for "innocent until proven guilty," but at a certain point you have to call a spade a spade.

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I would agree with that. I would also agree that the probable cause was met for action to be taken. I would like to see there be an opportunity for him to prove his innocence, though. Such as his account being on hold, unable to send or receive, until the games he was supposed to sent arrived, or not. If he fulfills his obligation, apologize to the man, and set everything back to normal. If he doesn't, then you officially ban the account, everything's the way it is now, but without being so publicly ostracized.

I don't think that it's wrong to be pre-emptive when dealing with suspicious accounts. I'm just thinking that just in case, and he had good motives with every intention of following through on those trades, where is the incentive, now? He's already been banned and publicly called out.
 
For the record, I have felt like I "owe" Goozex a rare, desireable game. I've yet to fulfil that, but when Goozex first started, I got The Last Blade 2 for Dreamcast. It was complete, mint, and one of the few games that would have cost me a lot of money to get. Worth way more than the 200 points the trader got. When I got it, I profusely thanked the seller and provided a 50 point tip.

So if he says he wants to give back to the community (which by the way aren't responsible for the trade tokens doubling in price, and it's possible to respect a community while not respecting its owners) by providing games that are below value to the community. I don't think that's an unfeasible idea.
 
[quote name='Friend of Sonic']You're going to have to lend me that time machine of yours [/QUOTE]

I didn't say anything about predicting something in the future. If I'm not going to convince you, fine, but don't just make shit up. That's Jay's job ;)

[quote name='Maskim']I would like to see there be an opportunity for him to prove his innocence, though. Such as his account being on hold, unable to send or receive, until the games he was supposed to sent arrived, or not. If he fulfills his obligation, apologize to the man, and set everything back to normal. If he doesn't, then you officially ban the account, everything's the way it is now, but without being so publicly ostracized.[/QUOTE]

I agree, that would have been the best course of action. As it stands now Jay will receive some free games, whether or not his intention was to scam. But you're also right that they disabled his account so that he won't get all 7 games he was due, which would have been the worst outcome of all in my opinion.
 
Is this thread / forum not moderated or something? There should have been time outs all over the place for the massive amounts of trolling present within these 63 pages. There has been nothing constructive worth reading over the past several pages, just wild accusations and attempts at serving internet justice. Save it for Chuck Norris to sort out.
 
[quote name='kodave']Is this thread / forum not moderated or something? There should have been time outs all over the place for the massive amounts of trolling present within these 63 pages. There has been nothing constructive worth reading over the past several pages, just wild accusations and attempts at serving internet justice. Save it for Chuck Norris to sort out.[/QUOTE]

here, here
 
[quote name='Shuffles']Wow Jay, way to turn yourself into the victim. I can't believe some people are taking you seriously though. So let me get this straight...[/QUOTE]

Yup. I'm completely, totally, and utterly the bad guy, and I'm through defending myself. No matter what I say, you'll argue against it. So, for the second time, let it go and move on -- you've already "outed" this horrible, nasty scammer. What more do you want?
 
[quote name='jaysapathy']You've already "outed" this horrible, nasty scammer. [/QUOTE]

Eh, I would say "vindictive." But, then again so am I, hence the need to call you out. :D

[quote name='jaysapathy']What more do you want?[/QUOTE]

You're right, I don't have much more to add. That will do for now...
 
Glad to hear it. Now that you're through ridding the world of terror, let's move back on topic. Unless you want to continue to beat that dead horse, that is.
 
Oh good! Are we back to talking about the changes to Goozex or shall we continue the witch hunt? Or having Goozex members come over here and harass people who don't agree that a 100% price raise is a good thing? Because it's pretty ridiculous that no one is allowed to have opinions without being attacked (both here and on Goozex). We were actually having a discussion before the attacks started (get up at 1am if you want games! LOL).

As a whole, any member of Goozex who is unsure will likely go to that thread and be bombarded with a bunch of people talking shit about Goozex members. That's just great. Way to show that Goozex is a great place to be when you are calling someone a thief with no proof.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Oh good! Are we back to talking about the changes to Goozex or shall we continue the witch hunt? Or having Goozex members come over here and harass people who don't agree that a 100% price raise is a good thing? Because it's pretty ridiculous that no one is allowed to have opinions without being attacked (both here and on Goozex). We were actually having a discussion before the attacks started (get up at 1am if you want games! LOL).

As a whole, any member of Goozex who is unsure will likely go to that thread and be bombarded with a bunch of people talking shit about Goozex members. That's just great. Way to show that Goozex is a great place to be when you are calling someone a thief with no proof.[/QUOTE]
I thought we were continuing the actual discussion at hand, not continuing a bombardment of attacks.
 
Yes, I think we're finally back on topic. Having "admitted" that I'm a horrible, awful, evil scammer, the Goozex crowd will feel like they can now proclaim victory. My statement will be on the boards by the end of the evening, I'm sure. Everything else has. :roll:

I'm actually really interested to see where this $1 hike goes over the next few days. :D
 
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Is it too late for this guy? Seriously, it was entertaining for a while. I hope you guys can now kiss and make up.
 
[quote name='Shuffles']I didn't say anything about predicting something in the future. If I'm not going to convince you, fine, but don't just make shit up. That's Jay's job ;)
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Oh, okay, you're saying something has happened before it's happened. There is a difference, and I'm not even being sarcastic, so I apologize. ;p

When is this points sale due? I actually do want some points to kill off some/all of my tokens, heh.
 
[quote name='Friend of Sonic']Oh, okay, you're saying something has happened before it's happened. There is a difference, and I'm not even being sarcastic, so I apologize. ;p

When is this points sale due? I actually do want some points to kill off some/all of my tokens, heh.[/QUOTE]

Soon - Goozex probably needs the cash flow (again - for the third time this year).
 
[quote name='Friend of Sonic']When is this points sale due? I actually do want some points to kill off some/all of my tokens, heh.[/QUOTE]

I need more tokens for all ma points.
 
[quote name='neocisco']You realize, at this point, you have absolutely no credibility, right?[/QUOTE]

I'm suppose to care why?

I mean, gees, you have oh so much. You just can't stop with the personal attacks. All you've been doing is bitching about me and not even discussing the issue at hand. Par on course for someone who is scared their site might shut down.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I'm suppose to care why?

I mean, gees, you have oh so much. You just can't stop with the personal attacks. All you've been doing is bitching about me and not even discussing the issue at hand. Par on course for someone who is scared their site might shut down.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='GizmoGC']I'm suppose to care why?

I mean, gees, you have oh so much. You just can't stop with the personal attacks. All you've been doing is bitching about me and not even discussing the issue at hand. Par on course for someone who is scared their site might shut down.[/QUOTE]


Show me any post I made that any sane person would construe as me being scared. You can't because I haven't. You've been repeating yourself ad nauseum (with sweeping generalizations no less) and multiple people have pointed that out yet you continue on. Face it, you're a joke.

"Wow, tell him what he's won, Bob!
Congratulations, you're the latest inductee on neocisco's Ignore List™!"

It's actually quite refreshing knowing I'll never have to read another one of your inanities (go look it up). I strongly suggest everyone else do the same. You'll be glad you did.
 
[quote name='neocisco']Show me any post I made that any sane person would construe as me being scared. You can't because I haven't. You've been repeating yourself ad nauseum (with sweeping generalizations no less) and multiple people have pointed that out yet you continue on. Face it, you're a joke.

"Wow, tell him what he's won, Bob!
Congratulations, you're the latest inductee on neocisco's Ignore List™!"

It's actually quite refreshing knowing I'll never have to read another one of your inanities (go look it up). I strongly suggest everyone else do the same. You'll be glad you did.[/QUOTE]

Please NO! I need to read your well thought out posts! Oh no!!!!!111111111 :roll:
 
The price increase sucks but there's no reason to give up on a site because of a one dollar increase. I was more worried when updates didn't happen every week. Now all we need is some decent customer service and I'll be good to go.
 
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[quote name='depascal22']The price increase sucks but there's no reason to give up on a site because of a one dollar increase. I was more worried when updates didn't happen every week. Now all we need is some decent customer service and I'll be good to go.[/QUOTE]

The $1 isn't really the ssue. It's that people will be trading a alot less 100-300 point games and that members will be leaving (or pulling a good chunk of their inventory) if there is less items available. There are other ways to increase prices (i.e. 2 tokens for 500-800 point games, 3 tokens for 1000 point games) that make a lot more sense (higher value games = more tokens), but that didn't happen. I'm more of a DVD/BD guy, so I would try and find 100-300 point movies. But now inventory of those type of things will be a lot lower.
 
[quote name='CaoPi']Forgot that my feedback score for trading is over 500, I don't need to worry about this![/QUOTE]

So I'm guessing you always bought tokens for $1?

You fail to realize that you are impacted by this because there will no longer be token sales below $1 since the standard price is $2 now.

I personally haven't bought tokens for more than $0.50 for the past couple of years.
 
Thanks slidecage. I think it was this thread where he mentioned that Dragon Quest IX traded for 950 points. I got one from Kmart from 14.99, so I think that's a pretty good flip.
 
I'm really not trying to stir up anything, but I just saw this posted on another board. Is this for real?

saw this in that longass thread...from one of the admins on another new thing:

In particular we really like one about rewarding high point value traders with a chance to jump early in a new release title queue. We are reviewing the details to see if it makes sense and then if it does, where does it fit in the development pipeline.
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If this is true, it sounds like they're trying to unbalance the playing field a bit.. That doesn't necessarily seem fair to everyone else, because in my experience it's the same 20-odd people in the top traders queue every month. Am I wrong in thinking that this could be a(nother) huge mistake?.. Maybe it's just me? It feels like they're babying the high rollers while ignoring the low ballers. Cater to the rich and ignore the middle class? Sounds like the US economy. :D
 
theres more...look:


Sorry I should clarify the part about one of the site improvement suggestions we received. Basically a scenario like this would play out:

  • I trade out a 1000/1200 point hot item (eligible for 200 point bonus)
  • I get positive feedback
  • I am then able to get into one item's pre-release queue (not currently active queue).
Trade a hot item today and get in a pre-release queue tomorrow. It still needs to be figured out in different scenarios, but that's the gist of what caught our eye.
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o_O

He sounds pretty serious for an inside joke..?
 
That doesn't sound too bad. If it's not based on seniority, that is. If any new user can come to the site, trade their hot new release and secure a spot in the queue, it doesn't sound too bad at all. It'll hopefully promote more new releases being traded by providing the incentive to get your spot in line for an upcoming release that will hopefully be traded by people wanting to get their spot in line for an upcoming release.
 
[quote name='jaysapathy']Suddenly you're staying up until 1AM just to get 40th in line.. If you're lucky. Horrible idea.[/QUOTE]

Or you trade a hot item, don't stay up until 1am and get a newer game when it releases...
 
Yeah, this appeals to me because I don't stay up until 1:00 AM for a new release. This gives me something to think about when I have a new release to get rid of.
Then again if you don't flip the new release fast enough, your spot will suck.
 
This is another one of those flawed system things, because the "hot" releases will become priority trades. In a setup such as Goozex, it's probably not the best idea to have anything being too heavily favored over something else. Then everybody's scrambling for the new release to get first in queue, and it just creates disorganized havoc. I may not like the 1AM release day, but at least it's somewhat fair with it's first-come-first-serve orientation. I'm still standing by my original idea for this though (after 25 requests in a title, it ceases going in order and goes at random. Sounds better to me, but maybe I'm just a crackhead).

Seems to me that they're favoring the guys who do a lot of trading because that's where the money is. Thinking it through, with this new idea, only those who can afford to buy the new games will be able to get the new games, instead of those who don't buy them immediately. Hmm.. If you're the kind of person who can afford to buy a game, why go on Goozex in the first place? I thought the idea was to reduce out of pocket expenses.
 
[quote name='jaysapathy'] (after 25 requests in a title, it ceases going in order and goes at random. Sounds better to me, but maybe I'm just a crackhead).
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That doesn't sound fair at me. #26, who has a decent spot in the waitlist, could in theory wait until... we'll just pick a random number here, but wait until the 56th copy of the game has been traded? Randomizing it and turning it into a lottery doesn't sound fair to me.

I think, in general, it's hard to make an idea like Goozex's work. They've made some mistakes along the way, but it's hard to say how you're supposed to be able to get all new releases in the hands of its interested user base within a fair amount of time-- say one month.
 
[quote name='Friend of Sonic']That doesn't sound fair at me. #26, who has a decent spot in the waitlist, could in theory wait until... we'll just pick a random number here, but wait until the 56th copy of the game has been traded? Randomizing it and turning it into a lottery doesn't sound fair to me.[/quote]

I don't like the sound of a lottery system, either... though I am on the west coast, so it should be easy to understand why I feel that way. ;)

[quote name='Friend of Sonic']I think, in general, it's hard to make an idea like Goozex's work. They've made some mistakes along the way, but it's hard to say how you're supposed to be able to get all new releases in the hands of its interested user base within a fair amount of time-- say one month.[/QUOTE]

The current incentive to trade out new releases is 200 bonus points within 30 days of release. There are hints that more than a few changes will be happening as a result of the token price increase, so I don't doubt this incentive will get tinkered with.

I haven't been around from the beginning, but clearly there has been a fair amount of trial-and-error along the way for Goozex. Their business model has been able to last this long, and a change in the token price structure is another one of those trials. I do expect some to leave for various reasons (and some haven't been shy about why), but I don't feel any need to panic.

Yet. :lol:
 
[quote name='antlp89']So I'm guessing you always bought tokens for $1?

You fail to realize that you are impacted by this because there will no longer be token sales below $1 since the standard price is $2 now.

I personally haven't bought tokens for more than $0.50 for the past couple of years.[/QUOTE]

I bought a couple from last year promotions, I can still buy them for $1. I don't lose anything, as I never buy the points. It's a great deal when you find games for under $20 and net 1,000 plus points which is what I do.

Been using goozex for 2 years, I can't imagine using Goozex when it first started, there must've been nobody using the service, so offers, requests would be taking more than forever.

Still a great deal, I have more trades in and currently have 18,000 pts.

Many of you have been such loyal members of Goozex, and we would like to say "thank you" by offering discounts to high-traders. If you have a feedback score of 100 or higher, you will be able to purchase tokens at the original $1.00 price through December 31, 2010. If you have a feedback score of 500 or more, you will always be able to buy tokens for $1.00 as a special achievement bonus. Additionally, if you achieve the 500 feedback score later (say in summer 2011) you will unlock the $1 token pricing. We have updated our database to do this automatically once that feedback score has been achieved.

here's what I get at the screen when I purchase tokens, now I'm not nuts like others going crazy with over 100 trades in, I generally aim for current generation titles.


3 Trade tokens $ 5.97 $ 2.99 50% off!
5 Trade tokens $ 9.95 $ 4.98 50% off!
10 Trade tokens $ 19.90 $ 9.95 50% off!
15 Trade tokens $ 29.85 $ 14.93 50% off!
20 Trade tokens $ 39.80 $ 19.90 50% off!
25 Trade tokens $ 49.75 $ 24.88 50% off!
30 Trade tokens $ 53.73 (10% off) $ 26.87 50% off!
50 Trade tokens $ 84.58 (15% off) $ 42.29 50% off!
 
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Well, that scamming son of a bitch low down scoundrel dirty rat bastard, AKA Jaysapathy, sent me the HD DVD as promised. I think I'll get in contact with the Goozex admins to make sure he stays banned.
 
[quote name='friend of sonic']well, that scamming son of a bitch low down scoundrel dirty rat bastard, aka jaysapathy, sent me the hd dvd as promised. I think i'll get in contact with the goozex admins to make sure he stays banned.[/quote]

 
[quote name='CaoPi']Forgot that my feedback score for trading is over 500, I don't need to worry about this![/QUOTE]


[quote name='CaoPi']
3 Trade tokens $ 5.97 $ 2.99 50% off!
5 Trade tokens $ 9.95 $ 4.98 50% off!
10 Trade tokens $ 19.90 $ 9.95 50% off!
15 Trade tokens $ 29.85 $ 14.93 50% off!
20 Trade tokens $ 39.80 $ 19.90 50% off!
25 Trade tokens $ 49.75 $ 24.88 50% off!
30 Trade tokens $ 53.73 (10% off) $ 26.87 50% off!
50 Trade tokens $ 84.58 (15% off) $ 42.29 50% off![/QUOTE]

This is exactly what I am talking about. They are now offering you tokens at the rate of
$1 a token. When in the world did you ever buy tokens for a $1 in the past? Never. You probably waited (as did I) for the sales on tokens for half of. Now the best you can do is %15 off and that's if you buy 50 tokens all at once.

Another thing you need to consider is that the amount of available supply is going to decrease. This means less games available to use points on. So when you ignorantly proclaim "Oh I'm not effected by this increase, sucks for you" you are slapping the people in the face who supply the games for you to buy.

I have a ton of feedback on goozex, but I am not going to just brush off something that will greatly impact the site as a whole. I hope goozex can back this increase with a better/improved interface that they are claiming to integrate.

Yes, goozex is still a great deal but this increase makes it less of a great deal especially if supply starts falling off and users start dropping the site. I love the site, but it is nothing without it's users.
 
[quote name='eLefAdEr']
The current incentive to trade out new releases is 200 bonus points within 30 days of release. [/QUOTE]

I assumed that this was their standard new policy until recently I noticed that a new release did not have this incentive attached to the trading page. I guess they quietly dropped this from the site as none of the new releases have the "receive bonus 200 points" tag anymore.

It's a shame because I thought this was a great idea to stimulate new release trading.
 
There's more to the site than "new releases" though. Hell, the only thousand+ point games I traded were the HTFs (Lunar Silver Star, Steel Batallion, etc). I didn't deal in new stuff during my entire time there. It feels like they're giving special treatment to a certain area of trader, yet another reason why people may not sign up new to begin with. For the business model to work, you have to be attentive to every aspect of your customers, not just the ones who come in with wads of cash. Ah well.
 
[quote name='antlp89']I assumed that this was their standard new policy until recently I noticed that a new release did not have this incentive attached to the trading page. I guess they quietly dropped this from the site as none of the new releases have the "receive bonus 200 points" tag anymore.

It's a shame because I thought this was a great idea to stimulate new release trading.[/QUOTE]

Actually they still do give the point bonus to select new releases , but its never been especially obvious which games (or movies) are eligible. You pretty much have to pull up the complete list from the sites homepage. Right now the only games I think are eligible are NBA Jam , Black Ops and a couple other random games I can't remember.

Most of the 1000+ point games I've sent out have been new releases that usually were eligible for the point bonus , but the new idea only mildly interests me. I don't really need more new release games , I'm trying to cut back on them as it is.

On the other hand , the few 1000+ point games I've request have been older hard to find games like Project Justice , Brigandine , Tactics Ogre and Game and Watch Collection 2.
 
[quote name='StarKnightX']Actually they still do give the point bonus to select new releases , but its never been especially obvious which games (or movies) are eligible. You pretty much have to pull up the complete list from the sites homepage. Right now the only games I think are eligible are NBA Jam , Black Ops and a couple other random games I can't remember.
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http://www.goozex.com/trading/asp/searchresult.asp?fic=G

The only other game eligible at the moment is TLOTR: War in The North. Don't ask me why AC:B or NFS:HP isn't on there. Both of them should be considering the volume of requests.
 
[quote name='antlp89']This is exactly what I am talking about. They are now offering you tokens at the rate of
$1 a token. When in the world did you ever buy tokens for a $1 in the past? Never. You probably waited (as did I) for the sales on tokens for half of. Now the best you can do is %15 off and that's if you buy 50 tokens all at once.

Another thing you need to consider is that the amount of available supply is going to decrease. This means less games available to use points on. So when you ignorantly proclaim "Oh I'm not effected by this increase, sucks for you" you are slapping the people in the face who supply the games for you to buy.

I have a ton of feedback on goozex, but I am not going to just brush off something that will greatly impact the site as a whole. I hope goozex can back this increase with a better/improved interface that they are claiming to integrate.

Yes, goozex is still a great deal but this increase makes it less of a great deal especially if supply starts falling off and users start dropping the site. I love the site, but it is nothing without it's users.[/QUOTE]I understand what you're saying, but it's just speculation. No one will know if it will be the way you're assuming it is until there is a sale on tokens. At that time, we'll all find out if it's 50% off all tokens, or paying the same price during a sale as I'm paying now, or if it is going to be the way they've insinuated, that the sale price would be based off your individual price.

That is to say, if I'm paying $20 for 20 tokens, and it is in the database for each account whether they get the normal or discounted price, that if tokens go on sale for half off, I get half off my price, or 20 for $10.

Other than those who run goozex, no one knows the answer to this question, so it makes no sense to be spouting off our speculations as fact.
 
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