Official WarHawk Discussion: **Patch 1.5/"Falling Star" OUT!**

[quote name='snowsquirrel']I remember when I used to care about stats that much, back in the days of Halo 2. But then I realized, that as I obsessed over my stats, and my buddies, that the game was really starting to feel like work for me. I using formulas, on a map basis, to get kills, and not get killed. It really sucked the fun out of it for me. Around level 20, I never put the game in again.

btw - I know it has been said before, but I tried flying with 'pro' controls last night. After 1 hour, I was twice as good as I was before. Also, a much more immersive experience.

~S[/quote]

i could care less about whether people think i am good at the game or not, or whether my "rank" is higher then yours. The only reason i would like the stats to be reliable is so I can have some other options for clothes and warhawk paint.
 
Dev update 9/14/07

There will be an extended maintenance window from 12am to 5am PDT on Monday.

We will also be running Incognito-Dev servers all weekend so please jump in and out of these Saturday and Sunday. Again, our goal is to drive a lot of traffic to these servers to help resolve our connection issues. The debug server that we ran today (Friday) was performing better and based on your posts, we feel confident that we are going in the right direction.

Continued work will occur during the weekend as we collect and monitor data from our debug servers.

As always, I want to reassure the Warhawk community that we are aggressively working on these issues and will continue to do so until they are resolved.

Thanks again for your ongoing patience and assistance!
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[quote name='snowsquirrel']I remember when I used to care about stats that much, back in the days of Halo 2. But then I realized, that as I obsessed over my stats, and my buddies, that the game was really starting to feel like work for me. I using formulas, on a map basis, to get kills, and not get killed. It really sucked the fun out of it for me. Around level 20, I never put the game in again.

btw - I know it has been said before, but I tried flying with 'pro' controls last night. After 1 hour, I was twice as good as I was before. Also, a much more immersive experience.

~S[/quote]

Haha, I was sorta the same way with Halo 2, but I never bothered with Formulas, only kicking as much ass as possible ( Highest level I ever hit was 37, but after a loss or two it fell like a rock which ticked me off :'( )

What are these pro controls you speak of?
 
Just go into options/controls/flying and there was a 'pro' checkbox. No explanation, just a checkbox. When it is checked, the right controls your horizontal orientation, as opped to being a 'trick-stick'. Also the camera follows the warhawk during loops and rolls. So if you do a loop, you can actually still see your target while you are doing it, as opposed to the camera being stationary while you do your role, then it follows again after the role. I think it is better, but YMMV.

~S
 
[quote name='snowsquirrel']Just go into options/controls/flying and there was a 'pro' checkbox. No explanation, just a checkbox. When it is checked, the right controls your horizontal orientation, as opped to being a 'trick-stick'. Also the camera follows the warhawk during loops and rolls. So if you do a loop, you can actually still see your target while you are doing it, as opposed to the camera being stationary while you do your role, then it follows again after the role. I think it is better, but YMMV.

~S[/quote]

NO FKEN WONDER PEOPLE CAN TRACK ME SO WELL DAMMIT!

I really haven't gone through all the options though, so I must've missed it :/
 
FINALLY!!!!

My stats have been updated (going from Airman 1st class to Sargent Major) and I'm having no problem getting into games.

I can evaluate the game fairly now.
 
Is the level three target lock when you're in a Warhawk essentially a kill? Or will some fancy flying ever save you from being blown to bits.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Is the level three target lock when you're in a Warhawk essentially a kill? Or will some fancy flying ever save you from being blown to bits.[/quote]

level three as in three squares? If your at full health and assuming they're only swarm missles, I'd say you'll be fine even if you take hits. If your nowhere near any cover, you'll most likely get hit if you don't have any chaff to deviate the missles, otherwise some fancy flying will save your butt. What's worked for me is going straight up/doing a loop against a wall or weaving through small holes to lose the missle lock/missles trailing me.
 
September 17th update(s).

Hello again Everyone,

Just wanted to thank all of you that took the time this weekend to play on our Incognito-Dev servers Saturday and Sunday. We again were able to gather some incredibly useful info regarding connection types and how the game needs to recover from funky connection attempts...I'll spare you the techno-babble :)

We've already reviewed all the data and are preparing a new server real-time for another set of Incognito-Dev servers -- hopefully we have these ready for tomorrow evening but I'll keep you all posted.

Also, it looks like our last server-side stats update made a really good improvement. We expected as much but you never know until you have thousands of players beat on it :)

I would like to draw attention to the "rank-up" issue. I have received a ton of PMs about this and we've read a lot of threads about it. This *is* a bug that we encountered and have subsequently fixed in our code branch for the client-side service patch.

At this time we are not sure how we are going to go about correcting your rank if you were one of the lucky ones that got a bump in rank -- some people received a 3 rank bump! Once we know more about how best to handle the correction, I'll post here to inform you all.

I would like to ask you all a question though....and its one that has come up in many, many threads and PMs.

Do you, the Warhawk community, want the stats server reset fully once the client-side patch is released? I can see both sides of the argument/debate and wanted to capture everyone's thoughts in 1 thread.

Rock on!
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@WhiteSky

We are looking into clan issues and the team and I appreciate your's and other's great threads on the topic. Just to be clear, we are focusing the vast majority of our efforts right now on fixing the core, core issues.

Connection issues and Stats issues are global problems that we have been working on for a few weeks now and will continue to do so untill we feel "good" about where they're at.

Please know that while we are focused on these issues right now, we still watch and document ALL issues so we can hit them when the time is right.
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We will work on a solution that will correct everyone's ranks back down to the real rank they deserve -- as measured by points, medals etc...

Not sure what it will be.
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I wouldn't mine a reset once everything is fixed, hell i've already had them reset 5 times, what is once more.
 
[quote name='ighosty']I wouldn't mine a reset once everything is fixed, hell i've already had them reset 5 times, what is once more.[/quote]
my original stats have never been reset, and interestingly enough, when I had played my first game a couple weeks ago, I got airman right off the bat despite losing and getting around 15-20 points o_O
 
i don't mind dylan resetting the stats (I was in the top 2,000 a couple days ago). Now, my stats are whack right now because my friends have been playing warhawk under my psn id.
 
I would be mildly annoyed at a reset.... but if i can be guaranteed that everything will work well after that....

eh... for the good of the group I guess.
 
A reset wouldn't matter to me. When they fixed the stats all my old games weren't recorded anyway. Thus far I've only played for 19 mins according to my stats.
 
So do you guys fly with the motion control or with the sticks? I like the motion control but seem to have a tough time working the left stick in.
 
[quote name='Shoki']So do you guys fly with the motion control or with the sticks? I like the motion control but seem to have a tough time working the left stick in.[/quote]

Tryed playin with it at first, but found it was much easier to kill people just using the sticks. Funny since I was actually really excited about using the motion control :lol:.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Eggebrecht needs to just shut up.

BTW, is the Warhawk customization (paint schemes, etc.) only unlockable after ranking up? I haven't delved into that part of the menu yet.[/quote]
Yeah, as you move up the ranks, you get more helmets, shirts, and pants to customize your player and new paintjobs for your Warhawk.
 
INSANE amount of updates.

Its time once again for a new set of Incognito-Dev Servers for you guys to beat on!

We hare going to be hosting 3 servers tonight with a latest real-time. Two of them will show-up as Incognito-Dev1 and Incognito-Dev2...these are standard ranked-dedicated servers.

The third, is named Incognito-Dev3 and will not be displayed as an official blue SONY server. Why you might ask? Because if you look closely in your join game list, you will notice that it is a Ranked-Player server. Meaning that yes, some one is playing on the same ranked game they are hosting. This is a prototype and is NOT a commitment. But you guys did ask for it so we're giving it a whirl :)

These servers are also logging data for our engineers to analyze so please hammer the hell out of them. Again, we want as many connections/disconnections as possible so please play for awhile, then leave, then join again. Hop into another game, leave it, come back...you get the gist.

As usual, please post any info you have. Did you have problems? If so, what were the issues? Were you able to connect just fine? Etc.
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@Or77

One of our engineers is playing on the Player-Ranked server.

The issue about stat-padders is an issue AND potentially more so if we move forward with alowing Player-Ranked servers. Any other thoughts on this? Anyone? This is just a test afterall and we wanted to engage all of you to get your opinions.

Also -- with regard to stats resets, we are NOT planing on anything right now, we just wanted to gauge community response. Our primary goal is to just 'poke' the ranks back to where they should be for those fo you who jumped in rank due to the bug.

For the sake of clarity, please try to keep this thread related to only the 3 Incognito-Dev servers. :)

Also, lets not discuss Jetskis, ATVs or bunny slippers :)
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@MercuryEQ

The pings currently still sometimes display as ????. We have fixed this in our code-branch for the patch however the fix is client-side so unitll we deploy the client-patch to the communty, you will still experience this problem.

We are aware of it and have a fix.
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@Wolf_Hawk

We will be running these servers for many hours. We're currently planning on running them for ~16 hours to get a good solid snapshot of network debug data.
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@John_Thomas

Yeah, with us logging net data AND running some parts of the real-time compiled debug, every connection is going to be a bit slower...this is of course just temporary as we test the server.
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@WhiteSky

We've seen the posts :)

I'm not prepared to make any comment about it just yet. We're not out of the woods on our connection issues just yet, which are our top priority (along with stats).

Clan battles is something that I personally feel we need to adress, but I cant talk about any of that just yet. Nothing is concrete. I hope you and the community can understand.

Please know that while we are focused on core connection and stat issues right now, we are not lossing sight of other very important updates like specific/official clan games.

We'll keep you all posted!
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^^

Woo hoo, they really have some much-needed dedication to this game. I'm glad they post quick follow ups.

Hopefully after all the technical issues have been resolved, they can start on some good ole' DL content. I'd love some more maps, but that's asking for too much too soon ;)

I honestly hope they reset the stats, I need to start over with a clean slate now that I've gotten the hang of the game
 
I don't know about the stat wipe. I don't really see a reason too if they can pinpoint when issues happened. Hopefully they can go back and correct these directly instead of a full on wipe.

There are glitchers already who are very easily picked out (huge amount of points, small number of games) who should be cleared for breaking terms though.
 
[quote name='snowsquirrel']is there a way to know if a DM or TDM is a dog fight or not?
~S[/QUOTE]

There's something on the server description that explicitly states "dogfight." It doesn't say that for regular maps.
 
Hoo-ah. I was just playing this for a bit and now have an incredible 66 points, but it says I'm a 2nd Lieutenant. Is this some insane stats glitch or am I not understanding the rank system?
 
[quote name='metaly']Hoo-ah. I was just playing this for a bit and now have an incredible 66 points, but it says I'm a 2nd Lieutenant. Is this some insane stats glitch or am I not understanding the rank system?[/quote]

lol, that doesn't sound right at all!
 
I don't even know if Warhawk is worth getting. The only thing I'd get it for would be to get the JABRA headset. That's about it, though. .___.;
 
[quote name='OldSnayke']I don't even know if Warhawk is worth getting. The only thing I'd get it for would be to get the JABRA headset. That's about it, though. .___.;[/QUOTE]

Why not just buy the headset separately or any other blu tooth headset?
 
I don't even know if Warhawk is worth getting. The only thing I'd get it for would be to get the JABRA headset.
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It is not worth it at all if you don't like well balanced online games, blasting buddies, using coordination/teamwork to achieve goals, cool flying game, etc.
:)

Seriously, I don't think warhawk does anything ground breaking. But what it does, it does very well.

You can pick up the same headset (refurb) for $16 shipped off ebay. That is what I did. It is a good headset.

~S
 
To let everyone in this thread know too, I look to have a Warhawk clan battle on October 5th. I gotta test out a few hosting options, but I'm aiming for that date.
 
[quote name='ReaperZER0']Rented this and I'm suffering from the same problem I have with all other online games. I suck at them.[/quote] Fixed.
:rofl:

Give it some time, hopefully you'll get used to it. I totally blew at this game my first 20-30 games, and I still have trouble handling my warhawk, locking on, following my target while spraying (and hitting) them with the machine guns, making sure my missles hit, while also looking out for anyone who's gunning for me and at the same time not stupidly crashing into a wall/tower/building/WARHAWK o_O/the ocean XD/THE AIR O_O
What's a pain in the ass is flying around with AA turrets/missles firing at you as well.
 
I'm up for a game right now if anyone's interested. I'm not having any luck getting into any ranked servers, so if someone has a favorite server or wants to host (or I guess I can, but I don't know what the popular maps/settings are), post back.

And I'm still a 2nd lieutenant, so look out!
 
I'm about to take a shower right now, but I may hop on after that. I just hope I can connect without issues (I probably will have issues, since my internet speed in my apartment goes down a bit around the evening on weekdays, at times).
 
Hey Mana, I saw you there for a couple seconds before I exploded. I'll have to get in on the next CAG game with my headset so we can actually coordinate.

Also, the 2nd lieutenant thing was kind of cute at first but now it's annoying because I'm too high rank to join half the ranked servers. I'm going to drop them a support email to see if I can get that fixed.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Fixed.
:rofl:

Give it some time, hopefully you'll get used to it. I totally blew at this game my first 20-30 games, and I still have trouble handling my warhawk, locking on, following my target while spraying (and hitting) them with the machine guns, making sure my missles hit, while also looking out for anyone who's gunning for me and at the same time not stupidly crashing into a wall/tower/building/WARHAWK o_O/the ocean XD/THE AIR O_O
What's a pain in the ass is flying around with AA turrets/missles firing at you as well.[/quote]

If I could find someone to give me lesson-type things that'd be cool. I'm a good team player, just need someone to listen to, instead of just hiding around and "defending" the base/hiding.
 
[quote name='ReaperZER0']If I could find someone to give me lesson-type things that'd be cool. I'm a good team player, just need someone to listen to, instead of just hiding around and "defending" the base/hiding.[/quote]
Well, one "lesson" I can share is about Capture the Flag. One thing that I noticed is people play it like any other CTF mode. What I mean is they defend the flags- And that is it! I know in other games it is bad to let the other team have your flag, but with zones here it isn't the end of the world to let them run free a bit.

The trick to CTF in WarHawk is to control a series of Zones leading to and from your base. This way you can spawn closer to their flag and also stop them from spawning between you and you're base. That way you can drive to all your zones and be more or less "safe".

Also when defending, you don't really need to protect the flag as much if you own a few zones. You can use the zones to spawn in front of them, blocking thier path back to their base if they steal your flag.
 
[quote name='NamPaehc']Well, one "lesson" I can share is about Capture the Flag. One thing that I noticed is people play it like any other CTF mode. What I mean is they defend the flags- And that is it! I know in other games it is bad to let the other team have your flag, but with zones here it isn't the end of the world to let them run free a bit.

The trick to CTF in WarHawk is to control a series of Zones leading to and from your base. This way you can spawn closer to their flag and also stop them from spawning between you and you're base. That way you can drive to all your zones and be more or less "safe".

Also when defending, you don't really need to protect the flag as much if you own a few zones. You can use the zones to spawn in front of them, blocking thier path back to their base if they steal your flag.[/quote]
Those are some good tips, but what I think he means is some methods to flying around and fragging the hell outta others while not getting smoked himself ;)
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Those are some good tips, but what I think he means is some methods to flying around and fragging the hell outta others while not getting smoked himself ;)[/quote]

Exactly. I've been trying to get good at hiding with my knife and waiting for someone to just show up and surprise them. Still suck though.
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Those are some good tips, but what I think he means is some methods to flying around and fragging the hell outta others while not getting smoked himself ;)[/quote]

Some flight tips would be good... I've got it on novice mode while I'm learning some basic maneuvers and getting a feel for the handling, but I hear pro is the way to go. Does everyone fly with the accelerator held down 90% of the time?

Are there a lot of CAGs on the west coast playing this? It seems like it's mostly east coasters.
 
Is anybody going to be on tonight? I was on for like 2 hours last night on one of the Sony "Zone" servers.
I'll probably be on after 8 EST. PSNid: condor80.
 
You can remove me from the clan. I just cannot get into this game for the life of me. Its so boring. Its like a half ass console version of battlefield with bad controls. This game is gonna have the same thing happen to it that happened to shadow run.
BAIL OUT!
 
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