Ohio recount complete, Bush beats Kerry by 118k+ votes

All the same I'm glad they did it. I really don't want another 4 years of the Florida syndrome.

By the way we lucky people in Washington are finishing up our latest round of recounts, I'm sure we'll have our new govenor by march.
 
The voters wanted another 4 years of competent leadership.

"Don't be afraid to make a mistake. But make sure you don't make the same mistake twice." -Akio Morita
 
[quote name='Firebrand']The voters wanted another 4 years of competent leadership.

"Don't be afraid to make a mistake. But make sure you don't make the same mistake twice." -Akio Morita[/quote]

Wow how original. :roll: Attacking the intelligence of the people who voted for Bush and implying that they made a mistake.

By the way, I'm not sure who Akio Morita is but that quote is pretty broad, I mean any Tom, Dick, or Harry could have said the same thing without ever having heard of that person.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue'][quote name='Firebrand']The voters wanted another 4 years of competent leadership.

"Don't be afraid to make a mistake. But make sure you don't make the same mistake twice." -Akio Morita[/quote]

Wow how original. :roll: Attacking the intelligence of the people who voted for Bush and implying that they made a mistake.

By the way, I'm not sure who Akio Morita is but that quote is pretty broad, I mean any Tom, Dick, or Harry could have said the same thing without ever having heard of that person.[/quote]

Akio Morita is one of the founders of Sony and happens to be one of Time magazines 100 greatest people.

Oh and I didn't know who he was either but I bothered to dump 10 seconds into a google search.
 
Was there ever any doubt?

Only among whiny, liberal losers who can't stand that they and their usually wack views are in the minority so they have to try and demean the voters by calling them dumb or whatever.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Only among whiny, liberal losers who can't stand that they and their usually wack views are in the minority so they have to try and demean the voters by calling them dumb or whatever.[/quote]

I like how you always complain about other people calling names, yet you do it as bad as anyone.
 
[quote name='Ruined']http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=366128

Well, the Ohio recount is complete and all of the massive "Bush-only" fraud and voter machine conspiracy theories you read about in Ohio caused Bush to lose a whopping 300 votes. ;)

[/quote]

I think the "bush-only" fraud goes well beyond 300 votes but that is what is measurable.

The facts about not enough voting machines, a million to one incorrect exit polling, problems with Diebold machines, etc. still remain.

Just because people don't want think about it, doesn't mean it is just a "theory"
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']All the same I'm glad they did it. I really don't want another 4 years of the Florida syndrome.
[/quote]
That is nice. I got tired of hearing about Florida.
 
[quote name='Firebrand']The United States is divided. Only a fool would think otherwise.[/quote]

Only a fool would believe that most Americans don't share a good deal of common values.
 
[quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand']The United States is divided. Only a fool would think otherwise.[/quote]

Only a fool would believe that most Americans don't share a good deal of common values.[/quote]

You'd think so, but here we are...
 
[quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand']The United States is divided. Only a fool would think otherwise.[/quote]

Only a fool would believe that most Americans don't share a good deal of common values.[/quote]
Hypocrisy, greediness and cowardice.
 
[quote name='Firebrand'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand']The United States is divided. Only a fool would think otherwise.[/quote]

Only a fool would believe that most Americans don't share a good deal of common values.[/quote]
Hypocrisy, greediness and cowardice.[/quote]

Yes, most Americans don't like those things.
 
[quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand']The United States is divided. Only a fool would think otherwise.[/quote]

Only a fool would believe that most Americans don't share a good deal of common values.[/quote]
Hypocrisy, greediness and cowardice.[/quote]

Yes, most Americans don't like those things.[/quote]

Bush won on two things, Fundamentalist Christianity and Fear. He was able to market these two aspects of his campaign chiefly through donations from huge corporations and the wealthiest of Americans.

IMO, his actions as President have not been truly Christian (IE living up to the ideals set forth by Jesus Christ himself).

I don't agree that most Americans share these 3 values (I think ignorance and blind loyalty to the Republican party are also factors that helped Bush win). However I do think that voters who acted on feelings of greediness, cowardice, and a false sense that Bush was a great Christian gave the Bush campaign the edge it needed to win the election.
 
Camoor,

The more I read your posts, the more curious I am about what kind of person you are. You have this air of paranoid persecution as well as several "mind control" conspiracy theories that seem pretty farfetched.

I understand that posting personal info on boards is a bad idea, but can you give some quick bio or something?

No big deal if you're not comfortable with that.

oh, and btw - both parties are funded "chiefly through donations from huge corporations and the wealthiest of Americans."


[quote name='camoor'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand']The United States is divided. Only a fool would think otherwise.[/quote]

Only a fool would believe that most Americans don't share a good deal of common values.[/quote]
Hypocrisy, greediness and cowardice.[/quote]

Yes, most Americans don't like those things.[/quote]

Bush won on two things, Fundamentalist Christianity and Fear. He was able to market these two aspects of his campaign chiefly through donations from huge corporations and the wealthiest of Americans.

IMO, his actions as President have not been truly Christian (IE living up to the ideals set forth by Jesus Christ himself).

I don't agree that most Americans share these 3 values (I think ignorance and blind loyalty to the Republican party are also factors that helped Bush win). However I do think that voters who acted on feelings of greediness, cowardice, and a false sense that Bush was a great Christian gave the Bush campaign the edge it needed to win the election.[/quote]
 
I love it when people talk about "large corporations" like they're some sort of vulgarity born of pure evil.

Were it not for these "evil large corporations," none of us CAGers would have any games to play.
 
[quote name='The_Continental']Camoor,

The more I read your posts, the more curious I am about what kind of person you are. You have this air of paranoid persecution as well as several "mind control" conspiracy theories that seem pretty farfetched.

I understand that posting personal info on boards is a bad idea, but can you give some quick bio or something?

No big deal if you're not comfortable with that.

oh, and btw - both parties are funded "chiefly through donations from huge corporations and the wealthiest of Americans."


[quote name='camoor'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand']The United States is divided. Only a fool would think otherwise.[/quote]

Only a fool would believe that most Americans don't share a good deal of common values.[/quote]
Hypocrisy, greediness and cowardice.[/quote]

Yes, most Americans don't like those things.[/quote]

Bush won on two things, Fundamentalist Christianity and Fear. He was able to market these two aspects of his campaign chiefly through donations from huge corporations and the wealthiest of Americans.

IMO, his actions as President have not been truly Christian (IE living up to the ideals set forth by Jesus Christ himself).

I don't agree that most Americans share these 3 values (I think ignorance and blind loyalty to the Republican party are also factors that helped Bush win). However I do think that voters who acted on feelings of greediness, cowardice, and a false sense that Bush was a great Christian gave the Bush campaign the edge it needed to win the election.[/quote][/quote]

LOL I'm paranoid. When Bush won because Cheney threatened America that Osama would get them if they voted for the other guy. That's a good one, dude.
 
Paranoia is one thing, but given the Patriot Act, and such other legislation punched through after 9/11, I don't think it's really a bad thing to be wary of the government anymore.
 
[quote name='The_Continental']I love it when people talk about "large corporations" like they're some sort of vulgarity born of pure evil.

Were it not for these "evil large corporations," none of us CAGers would have any games to play.[/quote]

There have to be some checks placed on businesses. If there weren't, we wouldn't have 40 hour work weeks, overtime pay, OSHA & pollution standards, etc. Given no regulation, big business would only worry about profits at the expense of the workers and environment.

I'm not saying corporations are evil, but it's always wise to keep an eye on which candidate they support financially and what they get in return. It's kinda dropped off the public radar now, but we still don't know which companies met with Cheney to discuss energy policy. Maybe nothing shady happened, but it's very curious when the White House won't even release who was at the meeting.
 
Not this old point again dude. Cheney's quote was:

[quote name='Vice President Dick Cheney']"If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again -- that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States, and then we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mindset, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we're not really at war. I think that would be a terrible mistake for us."[/quote]

For anyone that doesn't know how to read, he was saying that if Kerry had won, and if we got hit again, Kerry would treat it as a law enforcement issue, not an act of war.

Whether or not what Cheney said is in fact true is debatable. Who knows how Kerry would have acted? More importantly, who cares? - but let's not debate what he actually said.

So, no bio?

[quote name='camoor'][quote name='The_Continental']Camoor,

The more I read your posts, the more curious I am about what kind of person you are. You have this air of paranoid persecution as well as several "mind control" conspiracy theories that seem pretty farfetched.

I understand that posting personal info on boards is a bad idea, but can you give some quick bio or something?

No big deal if you're not comfortable with that.

oh, and btw - both parties are funded "chiefly through donations from huge corporations and the wealthiest of Americans."


[quote name='camoor'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand']The United States is divided. Only a fool would think otherwise.[/quote]

Only a fool would believe that most Americans don't share a good deal of common values.[/quote]
Hypocrisy, greediness and cowardice.[/quote]

Yes, most Americans don't like those things.[/quote]

Bush won on two things, Fundamentalist Christianity and Fear. He was able to market these two aspects of his campaign chiefly through donations from huge corporations and the wealthiest of Americans.

IMO, his actions as President have not been truly Christian (IE living up to the ideals set forth by Jesus Christ himself).

I don't agree that most Americans share these 3 values (I think ignorance and blind loyalty to the Republican party are also factors that helped Bush win). However I do think that voters who acted on feelings of greediness, cowardice, and a false sense that Bush was a great Christian gave the Bush campaign the edge it needed to win the election.[/quote][/quote]

LOL I'm paranoid. When Bush won because Cheney threatened America that Osama would get them if they voted for the other guy. That's a good one, dude.[/quote]
 
Agreed.

I would say though that the competitve nature of the free market should act as a corporate watchdog just as much as government entities should.

Again, different CAGers will have different opinions on the balance between corporate competition and corporate regulation. I lean more toward competition - I like paying my hard earned money for quality products, and a good deal of that quality should be ensured by that competitive marketplace I always praise on these boards.

[quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='The_Continental']I love it when people talk about "large corporations" like they're some sort of vulgarity born of pure evil.

Were it not for these "evil large corporations," none of us CAGers would have any games to play.[/quote]

There have to be some checks placed on businesses. If there weren't, we wouldn't have 40 hour work weeks, overtime pay, OSHA & pollution standards, etc. Given no regulation, big business would only worry about profits at the expense of the workers and environment.

I'm not saying corporations are evil, but it's always wise to keep an eye on which candidate they support financially and what they get in return. It's kinda dropped off the public radar now, but we still don't know which companies met with Cheney to discuss energy policy. Maybe nothing shady happened, but it's very curious when the White House won't even release who was at the meeting.[/quote]
 
Camoor, just one more question.

Are you saying that 51+ % of the voting population are Fundamentalist Christians, greed mongers, cowards, and idiots?

just wondering.
 
[quote name='The_Continental']Camoor, just one more question.

Are you saying that 51+ % of the voting population are Fundamentalist Christians, greed mongers, cowards, and idiots?

just wondering.[/quote]

Other than the fundie category I'd say those other ones go way beyond 51%.
 
[quote name='The_Continental']Camoor, just one more question.

Are you saying that 51+ % of the voting population are Fundamentalist Christians, greed mongers, cowards, and idiots?

just wondering.[/quote]

For someone who chastises others on how to read, you sure don't do a fine job of it yourself.

[quote name='camoor']However I do think that voters who acted on feelings of greediness, cowardice, and a false sense that Bush was a great Christian gave the Bush campaign the edge it needed to win the election.[/quote]

IE they tipped the balance.

I think most Americans don't understand how the neocon foreign policy or destructive enviornmental policies will affect their lives and the lives of their children, however ignorance may be a word that is too harsh and inflammatory for this gap in their knowledge.

I don't think that greed motivated most of the Bush supporters, however I admit that I may be naive in holding this opinion.

As far as cowardice goes, this is probably the saddest part of the whole election for me. Here we have a chicken-hawk (defending the skies of Texas in Vietnam) scaring suburban soccer-moms into sending the poorest and bravest Americans over to the middle east to fight a useless war. Somehow "support the troops" gets equated to voting for Bush.

Old prejudices against gays and misunderstandings about medical science are dressed up in the clothes of religious fundamentalism and trotted out by the administration in an effort to cull votes from self-rightous bigots and weak thinkers.

I admit that I don't understand why the military still supports Bush, but I suspect that the fact he is effectively their boss, and that most of them are actually good Christians who buy into Bush's constant Jesus marketing, has alot to do with it.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. :wink:
 
How will they again?

[quote name='camoor']
I think most Americans don't understand how the neocon foreign policy or destructive enviornmental policies will affect their lives and the lives of their children....[/quote]

2 questions

1. Do America's mothers fit into your "idiot" category, or the "coward" one?

2. Do you not understand that America's armed forces are run on a volunteer basis? Bush doesn't send anyone that hasn't already volunteered to go. Or is it part of his amazing "mind control" power you mentioned yesterday?

[quote name='camoor']
As far as cowardice goes, this is probably the saddest part of the whole election for me. Here we have a chicken-hawk (defending the skies of Texas in Vietnam) scaring suburban soccer-moms into sending the poorest and bravest Americans over to the middle east to fight a useless war. Somehow "support the troops" gets equated to voting for Bush.
[/quote]

I thought we cleared this up yesterday. Christianity and opposition to gay marriage are not mutually inclusive. Do we need to go through it again?

Are you saying that religious fundamentalists are "self-rightous bigots and weak thinkers?"

[quote name='camoor']
Old prejudices against gays and misunderstandings about medical science are dressed up in the clothes of religious fundamentalism and trotted out by the administration in an effort to cull votes from self-rightous bigots and weak thinkers.
[/quote]

Yeah, you're right - seems there are quite a few things you don't understand.

[quote name='camoor']
I admit that I don't understand why the military still supports Bush, but I suspect that the fact he is effectively their boss, and that most of them are actually good Christians who buy into Bush's constant Jesus marketing, has alot to do with it.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. :wink:[/quote]

Still no bio?
 
[quote name='The_Continental']Not this old point again dude. Cheney's quote was:

[quote name='Vice President Dick Cheney']"If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again -- that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States, and then we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mindset, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we're not really at war. I think that would be a terrible mistake for us."[/quote]

For anyone that doesn't know how to read, he was saying that if Kerry had won, and if we got hit again, Kerry would treat it as a law enforcement issue, not an act of war.

Whether or not what Cheney said is in fact true is debatable. Who knows how Kerry would have acted? More importantly, who cares? - but let's not debate what he actually said.
[/quote]

I don't read it like that at all.

If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again
Click to expand...

Cheney knew exactly what he was doing here, a nice crisp sound bite for the press that he could later deny was part of a long, rambling, esoteric comment about whether or not prosecutors should be forced to use criminal law when they suspect defendants of being terrorists that perhaps 3% of America is going to pick up on. It's the classic hit-and-run style of politicing that is a trademark of any Karl Rove campaign.
 
[quote name='The_Continental']How will it again?

[quote name='camoor']
I think most Americans don't understand how the neocon foreign policy or destructive enviornmental policies will affect their lives and the lives of their children....[/quote]

2 questions

1. Do America's mothers fit into your "idiot" category, or the "coward" one?

2. Do you not understand that America's armed forces are run on a volunteer basis? Bush doesn't send anyone that hasn't already volunteered to go. Or is it part of his amazing "mind control" power you mentioned yesterday?[/quote]

1. Clearly they do. Have you seen some of the initiatives mothers have got behind here?

2. For how long? If we're dedicated to Iraq's stability (we're not, so this is all hypothetical) it's going to require long term occupation on our part. Do you expect people to keep signing up to go there or re-enlisting to stay?

[quote name='The_Continental'][quote name='camoor']
As far as cowardice goes, this is probably the saddest part of the whole election for me. Here we have a chicken-hawk (defending the skies of Texas in Vietnam) scaring suburban soccer-moms into sending the poorest and bravest Americans over to the middle east to fight a useless war. Somehow "support the troops" gets equated to voting for Bush.
[/quote]

I thought we cleared this up yesterday. Christianity and opposition to gay marriage are not mutually inclusive. Do we need to go through it again?

Are you saying that religious fundamentalists are "self-rightous bigots and weak thinkers?"[/quote]

Following a 2000 year old book rather than common sense and reason smacks of weak thinking and bigotry, wouldn't you say?

[quote name='The_Continental'][quote name='camoor']
Old prejudices against gays and misunderstandings about medical science are dressed up in the clothes of religious fundamentalism and trotted out by the administration in an effort to cull votes from self-rightous bigots and weak thinkers.
[/quote]

Yeah, you're right - seems there are quite a few things you don't understand. [/quote]

An ad hominem attack?

[quote name='The_Continental'][quote name='camoor']
I admit that I don't understand why the military still supports Bush, but I suspect that the fact he is effectively their boss, and that most of them are actually good Christians who buy into Bush's constant Jesus marketing, has alot to do with it.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. :wink:[/quote]

Still no bio?[/quote]

Isn't that about the 3rd time you've asked for a bio? It's not really important to the issue if you're going to stick to facts, is it?
 
Oh, I get what you're saying, Cheney went out of his way to put unnatural "pauses" in his sentence so as to give media outlets a sound bite making him sound like an asshole and to give elitists like you a reason to accuse him of being a fear monger.

That makes sense.

[quote name='camoor'][quote name='The_Continental']Not this old point again dude. Cheney's quote was:

[quote name='Vice President Dick Cheney']"If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again -- that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States, and then we'll fall back into the pre-9/11 mindset, if you will, that in fact these terrorist attacks are just criminal acts and that we're not really at war. I think that would be a terrible mistake for us."[/quote]

For anyone that doesn't know how to read, he was saying that if Kerry had won, and if we got hit again, Kerry would treat it as a law enforcement issue, not an act of war.

Whether or not what Cheney said is in fact true is debatable. Who knows how Kerry would have acted? More importantly, who cares? - but let's not debate what he actually said.
[/quote]

I don't read it like that at all.

If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again
Click to expand...

Cheney knew exactly what he was doing here, a nice crisp sound bite for the press that he could later deny was part of a long, rambling, esoteric comment about whether or not prosecutors should be forced to use criminal law when they suspect defendants of being terrorists that perhaps 3% of America is going to pick up on. It's the classic hit-and-run style of politicing that is a trademark of any Karl Rove campaign.[/quote]
 
jmcc,

you're right, the bio isn't relevant to the facts - just to satisfy my curiosity.

My guess is that Camoor is a mid to upper class white guy - maybe in college, or just recently out of college - perhaps majored in one of the social "sciences."

I see that he lives in Arlington, so he must have a fair amount of money - or at least his dad does.

My guess is that he's never once faced social, political, religious, or economic strife in his life.

I just want to know if I'm right.

and to answer your two questions:

1. Heh

2. Yes - Bush's victory demonstrates that.
 
[quote name='The_Continental']Oh, I get what you're saying, Cheney went out of his way to put unnatural "pauses" in his sentence so as to give media outlets a sound bite making him sound like an asshole and to give elitists like you a reason to accuse him of being a fear monger.

That makes sense.
[/quote]

He did it that one time to scare people into voting for Bush. And I bet it worked.

Just like swift boat, fliiiip-floooooper and "support the troops". All were over-simplifications or lies based on half-truths, the kind of stuff that Fox news loves to hammer 24/7.
 
Man, you've got all the talking points memorized! Impressive!

So what your saying is that Cheney went out of his way to put unnatural "pauses" in his sentence so as to give media outlets a sound bite making him sound like an asshole and to give elitists like you a reason to accuse him of being a fear monger - so that he could "scare people into voting for Bush."

That make even more sense.

Oh, and if you honestly believe what you're saying (which I'm not sure you do) - you wouldn't have to "bet that it worked," unless of course you're not totally sure of the validity of your own words.

Still no bio, eh?

[quote name='camoor'][quote name='The_Continental']Oh, I get what you're saying, Cheney went out of his way to put unnatural "pauses" in his sentence so as to give media outlets a sound bite making him sound like an asshole and to give elitists like you a reason to accuse him of being a fear monger.

That makes sense.
[/quote]

He did it that one time to scare people into voting for Bush. And I bet it worked.

Just like swift boat, fliiiip-floooooper and "support the troops". All were over-simplifications or lies based on half-truths, the kind of stuff that Fox news loves to hammer 24/7.[/quote]
 
[quote name='The_Continental']Oh, and if you honestly believe what you're saying (which I'm not sure you do) - you wouldn't have to "bet that it worked," unless of course you're not totally sure of the validity of your own words.
[/quote]

I have an educated guess as to his comment's effect, but it's not a 100% provable fact. That doesn't mean that I'm not confident in my opinion.
 
[quote name='The_Continental']Still no bio, eh?[/quote]

When attempting to answer questions about justice and public policy, I like to employ what philosopher John Rawls called "The Veil of Ignorance". Here's a good description:

"Imagine that you have set for yourself the task of developing a totally new social contract for today's society. How could you do so fairly? Although you could never actually eliminate all of your personal biases and prejudices, you would need to take steps at least to minimize them. Rawls suggests that you imagine yourself in an original position behind a veil of ignorance . Behind this veil, you know nothing of yourself and your natural abilities, or your position in society. You know nothing of your sex, race, nationality, or individual tastes. Behind such a veil of ignorance all individuals are simply specified as rational, free, and morally equal beings. You do know that in the "real world", however, there will be a wide variety in the natural distribution of natural assets and abilities, and that there will be differences of sex, race, and culture that will distinguish groups of people from each other."

Thus, the key is that people make decisions based on what is good for their community as a whole, and without regard to their own self-interest (since they operate behind a veil of ignorance and don't know enough about what would benefit them).
Click to expand...
http://radio.weblogs.com/0104634/stories/2002/07/18/theVeilOfIgnorance.html

I realize that it may be idealist, but I think that the concept of the veil is a very useful one when discussing issues about politics and fairness.
If you think about it, the internet affords each of us the ability to use the veil and get to the heart of social and political issues. I intend to use it.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand'][quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='Firebrand']The United States is divided. Only a fool would think otherwise.[/quote]

Only a fool would believe that most Americans don't share a good deal of common values.[/quote]
Hypocrisy, greediness and cowardice.[/quote]

Yes, most Americans don't like those things.[/quote]

Bush won on two things, Fundamentalist Christianity and Fear. He was able to market these two aspects of his campaign chiefly through donations from huge corporations and the wealthiest of Americans.

IMO, his actions as President have not been truly Christian (IE living up to the ideals set forth by Jesus Christ himself).

I don't agree that most Americans share these 3 values (I think ignorance and blind loyalty to the Republican party are also factors that helped Bush win). However I do think that voters who acted on feelings of greediness, cowardice, and a false sense that Bush was a great Christian gave the Bush campaign the edge it needed to win the election.[/quote]

Fear? Here's what Micheal Moore had to say about fear.
"I don’t know why we are making so much of an act of terror. It is three times more likely that you will be struck by lightning than die from an act of terror." - Before the Airing of BBC's Question Time on September 11, 2002
Click to expand...

Yeah, I don't know why we're making such a big deal about the ~3,000 people that died in a terrorist attack on our country. Maybe they just had it coming eh? :roll:

And so what if Bush is Christian? Would you rather deny Christians the right to vote? The people choose him for who he was and he happens to be a devout Christian person. Even the President has the right to religious freedom.
 
[quote name='gamefreak']Even the President has the right to religious freedom.[/quote]
...and the right to selectively choose nations to attack in a war against terror, a war which cannot be won using terror itself (if it can be won at all). Atrocities are being committed elsewhere in the world. Why start with Iraq? Opportunism.
 
[quote name='gamefreak']And so what if Bush is Christian?[/quote]

So what indeed. I really don't care what Bush believes, he just needs to stop exploiting the name of Jesus every 30 seconds and he's got to get off this quest to put Christian biblical law into the Constitution and Federal law.

I don't know if you realize this, but I also voted for a Christian in the last election.
 
I don't care that he's Christian, nor that he uses the fact to manipulate people into voting for him. It's when he starts trying to mix religion into his policies that's bad. Get votes however you want, I say, but obey the constitution if you get the job.
 
[quote name='gamefreak']Yeah, I don't know why we're making such a big deal about the ~3,000 people that died in a terrorist attack on our country. Maybe they just had it coming eh? :roll:[/quote]

Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda (the guys who attacked the trade towers) were stationed in Afganistan.

Almost all Americans, including myself, supported the war in Afganistan.

WMDs, not terrorism, was the reason given to the American people for starting a war in Iraq. Turned out not to be true.

So you can get an idea of what's going on, in the map below Afganistan is the purple nation all the way to the right. Iraq is the pink nation in the center.

MiddleEast.jpg
 
Camoor, you need to take off your veil. The people have decided what's in the best interest of the 'common good' and voted for Bush. The onerous task is now upon your shoulders to accept this and stop acting in your own self-interest.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Camoor, you need to take off your veil. The people have decided what's in the best interest of the 'common good' and voted for Bush. The onerous task is now upon your shoulders to accept this and stop acting in your own self-interest.[/quote]

The majority is not always right. History has proved this fact again and again.

I'll think for myself, thanks all the same.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Camoor, you need to take off your veil. The people have decided what's in the best interest of the 'common good' and voted for Bush. The onerous task is now upon your shoulders to accept this and stop acting in your own self-interest.[/quote]
In order to be credible, you must be truthful to yourself and others.

George W. Bush is a lie. He isn't really president. Truth be told, he has never really done anything.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']But you're not supposed to think for yourself, you're supposed to think for the good of everyone[/quote]

I can't tell if you're mocking social philosophy or being serious.

Anyway, I do think about what would be just for everyone, but remember, people don't necessarily have to like what they justly deserve.

After all, I don't expect Scott Peterson to enjoy his trip to the electric chair.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']But you're not supposed to think for yourself, you're supposed to think for the good of everyone[/quote]

Unless you're Yakov Smirnoff, you'd better quit stealing his bit.
 
Oh, man. It's been a while since I've bothered to read this board, and it's nice to see the right wing doucebags are still right wing douchebags.

And re: "America's Mothers" - nice rhetoric, but "America's Mothers" don't vote in a block. Some mothers are complete f**king morons, some are intelligent.

I just think it's hilarious that you guys are still behind this chump. It's like you've made the choice to drive in a particular direction, and even though you *see* the cliff there, you're just gonna keep driving, 'cause well, you're totally, totally unable to deal with reality. Anyway - it's really goddamn funny.

Thanks!
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[quote name='Firebrand']In order to be credible, you must be truthful to yourself and others.

George W. Bush is a lie. He isn't really president. Truth be told, he has never really done anything.[/quote]

Electorial Votes:
Bush: 286
Kerry: 251


286>251 and as you only need a simple majority to win, Bush is the president.

What's the big deal about him trying to get Christian votes? No one round here complains when people try to get minority votes...
 
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