Ok folks, I'm asking for it. Defend Bush!

[quote name='The_Continental']Agreed, I have to think that most of the Bush bashers here are 18-22 years of age, without full time jobs, investments, or any other financial stake in society. Again, just an assumption.[/quote]

I'm a 37 year old, full-time graphic designer with a 401K plan that has been bleeding money the last few years.

Not that i think any of this should matter. As long as you are 18+, your vote will count as much as mine.
 
[quote name='The_Continental']Bush is trying to create a situation where new Osamas don't take the old one's place. The only way to do that is bring capitalism and consumerism to an otherwise unstable environment. If that qualifies as war-mongering and nation-building, then so be it.

[quote name='Tromack'][quote name='craigjm']Other countries have always been jealous of us.[/quote]

There is a significant difference between jealousy and hatred.

[quote name='The_Continental']Bush went to war in Iraq. Lefties hate that. They feel there was no justification. WMD? an al-qeada link? I don't care about any of that. I would have supported the war without any of those justifications. Saddam was a murderous dictator, and clearly, ending the turmoil in the middle east is a key to world stability. No one likes to talk about the 300,000 dead kurds discovered in northern Iraq. [/quote]

I agree that Saddam was a terrible man and the world is better now that he is not in control of a country. That being said, trying to justify the war for other reasons was shady and underhanded of the current administration. If they had flat out said that they wanted regime change then I would not be so upset. What really needed to be done was to get Osama Bin Laden once and for all. By going to war in Iraq we weakened our offensive against Al-Qaeda and other potentially worse groups (North Korea). And other countries had far greater links to 9/11 than Iraq but you don't see us doing shit against them because we like oil too much(Saudi Arabia). I also do not like how Bush said while campaigning that he did not belive in war-mongering and nation building. That sure turned out to be true didn't it?[/quote][/quote]

And creating a world that hates us is great for not creating more terrorists isn't it. What most Americans don't realize is that the war on terrorism cannot be waged as a conventional war. All that will do is create more terrorists.

You seem to be a bit confused though. You say you are libertarian and want a small government, and yet you support Bush who has risen deficits and is increasing the size of the government daily.

And yeah I do fall into your age range. But I also work 45 hours a week and while my investments are my father's way of inheritance, I would bet that I have a far more impressive stock portfolio than you. I care about our economy. I care more about my children being hated by every other country.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='Squirms']Bush is working to get more involvement from the UN and NATO. The problem is that the UN is a worthless organization that would rather fight amonst themselves than make any real changes to the world. Name some of their accomplishment. All it is good for is to make other countries like us. Personally, I don't give a shit if Zimbabwe, France, Germany, Turkey, et al. like us.[/quote]

My point was it is ridiculous to think that Osama would prefer one president over another. He has attacked us during both Dem & Repub administrations. He just wants us out of the Middle East completely.

The UN gets a bad rap but they have to deal with the bullshit from every member country. One country's bureaucracy is bad enough, try all of them. But the UN and true coalitions of countries working together is the only way to get peace in the world. You can't enforce a lasting peace with an iron fist. It will take multi-national cooperation.[/quote]

If Osama wouldn't be less scared of Kerry.. why were the Iranians scared enough of Reagen to release their hostages as soon as he took office? And you can read as many analizations of the situation, 99% of them state the largest reason for the release of the hostages was Reagen.

Kerry will not take the kind of action Bush will take (whether you consider that for good or bad), Osama would be more scared of Bush remaining in office. A Democratic government has never had the balls that a Republican government does.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, I'm just pointing out why Osama would rather Kerry wins.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']50,000 is not poor, there are people who make less than 25,000 a year, thats poor, they are not even making cost of living in many areas[/quote]

Actually the government defines it as under $15,000 a year. How can anyone live off of that?
 
i was wondering where people get their information/facts from?
i mean on this website all of us are fairly knowledgable about how to get games at as low a cost as possible: where to look, what means are at our disposal and so on .
But reading over this thread, it seems that not everyone is finding the best "value" so to speak or even applying value to the same ideas, depending on what sources you are reading or life judgments you are making. I find that with politics, most people have a hard time stepping back adn tackling the issue from a purely rational perspective. Emotion seeps in and as any cheapass knows, emotion is not your friend when you are trying to get the best deal, you have to be calm, patient and calculating in your actions.
 
Huh, what are you doing at CAG, get busy! jk ... what is Kerry gonna do for you?

[quote name='jeffreyjrose']

I suppose I meet the age criteria. But I am voting for Kerry this fall.

*EDIT* Almost forgot. I am taking eight credit hours this summer at a local college, and I attend college full-time the rest of the year. This summer I have about zero free time!!![/quote]
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']If Osama wouldn't be less scared of Kerry.. why were the Iranians scared enough of Reagen to release their hostages as soon as he took office? And you can read as many analizations of the situation, 99% of them state the largest reason for the release of the hostages was Reagen.

Kerry will not take the kind of action Bush will take (whether you consider that for good or bad), Osama would be more scared of Bush remaining in office. A Democratic government has never had the balls that a Republican government does.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, I'm just pointing out why Osama would rather Kerry wins.[/quote]

I'll assume you are completely discounting the October Surprise scenario - the one that states Reagan & Co. made a deal with Iran so that the hostages would not be released before the election so Carter would not get a bump in the polls. In return, Reagan funded Iran during the Iran-Iraq war (we funded the Iraqis too - but what are friends for?)

I'm not saying I belive that theory completely. But I find it just as plausible as the one stating that Iran was scared shitless of Reagan.

And I still say Bush has given an easy ride for the last year and a half. Hell the French have come closer to capturing him than we have lately. And John Kerry is fluent in French so maybe Osama will want to keep the devil he knows.
 
If you read my post again, you'll see that I said I was libertarian. I've come a little left of libertarian in the last 4 years. Anyway, your criticism is a good one. Bush has increased the size of government more than I'd like, but considering the circumstances, I understand.

[quote name='Tromack']
You seem to be a bit confused though. You say you are libertarian and want a small government, and yet you support Bush who has risen deficits and is increasing the size of the government daily.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='Squirms']Bush is working to get more involvement from the UN and NATO. The problem is that the UN is a worthless organization that would rather fight amonst themselves than make any real changes to the world. Name some of their accomplishment. All it is good for is to make other countries like us. Personally, I don't give a shit if Zimbabwe, France, Germany, Turkey, et al. like us.[/quote]

My point was it is ridiculous to think that Osama would prefer one president over another. He has attacked us during both Dem & Repub administrations. He just wants us out of the Middle East completely.

The UN gets a bad rap but they have to deal with the bullshit from every member country. One country's bureaucracy is bad enough, try all of them. But the UN and true coalitions of countries working together is the only way to get peace in the world. You can't enforce a lasting peace with an iron fist. It will take multi-national cooperation.[/quote]

If Osama wouldn't be less scared of Kerry.. why were the Iranians scared enough of Reagen to release their hostages as soon as he took office? And you can read as many analizations of the situation, 99% of them state the largest reason for the release of the hostages was Reagen.

Kerry will not take the kind of action Bush will take (whether you consider that for good or bad), Osama would be more scared of Bush remaining in office. A Democratic government has never had the balls that a Republican government does.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, I'm just pointing out why Osama would rather Kerry wins.[/quote]

Ok, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. The Iranians weren't afraid of Reagan. There was that whole guns for hostages thing. Have you ever heard of that.

And a Democrat, Harry Truman, dropped the bomb. That takes more balls than any other president has ever shown.

As it has been said before, most of the posts here are from uninformed people, and that applies to people on both sides.

And a side note, why was this hornet's nest ever messed with. Let's just get back to talking about video games and let this be done.
 
What it means to be a "democrat" has changed a lot over the years. Remember that JFK focused his presidency on shrinking government and cutting taxes. Not very "democrat" by today's standard.

[quote name='Tromack']

And a Democrat, Harry Truman, dropped the bomb. That takes more balls than any other president has ever shown.

[/quote]
 
[quote name='WarrenGekko']On a serious note, there is only one reason why I am voting for George Bush.

If Osama bin Laden was voting, who would he vote for? Who does Osama want to win between Kerry and Bush?
He wants Kerry. Bush has been beating his brains in. He hates Bush with a passion of a thousand fires. He prays every day to his fake god for Kerry to win.

THAT IS THE REASON WHY I AM VOTING FOR BUSH. Osama wants a breather from the constant beating he is getting. I'm not going to let it happen.[/quote]


I don't know about that...I think Osama likes the fact that the US has more enemies now than before 9/11. I think he likes the fact that much of Afghanistan was leveled by US bombs. And because he's a sick piece of crap, he likes that many MANY innocent people were killed by those same bombs. They lead to even more anti-US sentiment, which can be used to strengthen his movement. But I also think he wouldn't give a shit either way who was President. We're ALL infidels in his messed up mind, so it wouldn't matter. I think this is just as silly and ignorant a statement from the right as what Corfedwb is accusing the left of making
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']This hornet's nest was messed with in tons of threads, all bashing Bush with absolutely 0 substance.[/quote]

Ok, so Bush has been bashed a lot. This thread asks for him to be bashed more. If people are going to say why they love Bush, the B-B's (Bush bashers) are just going to respond.

Nobody's opinion is going to change because of this. I say we just let this be and go back to talking about video games.
 
just because u dont believe does not make it not true. You keep on claimin Zero substance, well now the burden of proof is on you to back up that claim. Show me some posts and prove they are false. Otherwise cram it mellonhead
 
[quote name='The_Continental']What it means to be a "democrat" has changed a lot over the years. Remember that JFK focused his presidency on shrinking government and cutting taxes. Not very "democrat" by today's standard.

[quote name='Tromack']

And a Democrat, Harry Truman, dropped the bomb. That takes more balls than any other president has ever shown.

[/quote][/quote]

Well given that it is what Clinton did, and the opposite of what Bush has done. I would say it is a very democrat thing to do.

For the love of god can we please have this bastard locked.

Oh, and The_Continental. Can we get married? I think I am in love with you. You are my favorite person to spar with here. I think our children would be fierce and intelligent.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']just because u dont believe does not make it not true. You keep on claimin Zero substance, well now the burden of proof is on you to back up that claim. Show me some posts and prove they are false. Otherwise cram it mellonhead[/quote]

Explain to a 4 year old why there are no monsters in his closet. Explain to a mentally challenged child why the earth is round. How can I explain to the people who think their posts have merit that they are baseless and ignorant?

I never said they were false, I just said they were fluff.
 
Lol! I love the CAG community and the gaming deals!!! But yes, I do need some sleep (6 hours please!) before classes this evening. Life is almost too hectic right now... this fall will not come soon enough. I'll come back to this thread later (hopefully) to continue this constructive debate (well, a few people have words of wisdom intermingled with the Bush bashing and mindless rants.)

Over and out,
Jeff

[quote name='The_Continental']Huh, what are you doing at CAG, get busy! jk ... what is Kerry gonna do for you?

[quote name='jeffreyjrose']

I suppose I meet the age criteria. But I am voting for Kerry this fall.

*EDIT* Almost forgot. I am taking eight credit hours this summer at a local college, and I attend college full-time the rest of the year. This summer I have about zero free time!!![/quote][/quote]
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='Squirms']Bush is working to get more involvement from the UN and NATO. The problem is that the UN is a worthless organization that would rather fight amonst themselves than make any real changes to the world. Name some of their accomplishment. All it is good for is to make other countries like us. Personally, I don't give a shit if Zimbabwe, France, Germany, Turkey, et al. like us.[/quote]

My point was it is ridiculous to think that Osama would prefer one president over another. He has attacked us during both Dem & Repub administrations. He just wants us out of the Middle East completely.

The UN gets a bad rap but they have to deal with the bullshit from every member country. One country's bureaucracy is bad enough, try all of them. But the UN and true coalitions of countries working together is the only way to get peace in the world. You can't enforce a lasting peace with an iron fist. It will take multi-national cooperation.[/quote]

If Osama wouldn't be less scared of Kerry.. why were the Iranians scared enough of Reagen to release their hostages as soon as he took office? And you can read as many analizations of the situation, 99% of them state the largest reason for the release of the hostages was Reagen.

Kerry will not take the kind of action Bush will take (whether you consider that for good or bad), Osama would be more scared of Bush remaining in office. A Democratic government has never had the balls that a Republican government does.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other, I'm just pointing out why Osama would rather Kerry wins.[/quote]


dude, they weren't scared of Reagan, Reagan brokered a deal to sell them arms. Remember Iran-Contra?
 
MrBadExample Posted: June 29, 2004, 9:13 am Post subject:

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I'm a 37 year old, full-time graphic designer with a 401K plan that has been bleeding money the last few years. .

You must be really bad at picking your 401k plan, as the Dow is at approx the same amount now as it was in 2000...

As for the enron fiasco, this is bush fault how, last i checked, throughtout the previous 8 years, bill clinton gave them gov't money and loans, and forced 3rd world nations to give them contracts, or lose US aid. Enron pays 50% donations to republicains, and 50% to the democrats. As soon as bush took office, enron was asking for gov't aid, and bush told them no..he should be commended for not helping out a corrupt dirty business.

Economic policy, in order for it to take effect, takes 3-4 years. Bush came into a weak economy, then we were hit by 9/11, and we had several major companines go belly up due to poor management. All those factors prolonged the recovery, and none of them were bush's fault. The economy is currently roaring. I don't know why most americains don't see it, I work for my fathers small manufacturing company of gift products. This year our sales are up over 200% from last year, as people are spending money again. Every single sector of the economy is on the up, and most are at record numbers. And yes job recovery is usually the lagging indicator, but the jobs are coming back, and they will continue to do so.

I personally believe in a flat tax...4 years ago I worked for a bank, and was making over 60k a year, I left the company to help my fathers company out, as he had put me thru college. My current pay is terrible, but that is the price I pay for helping him out...My girlfriends older sister, the 2 of them combined income is under $20k a year..they both are home over 5 days a week, as the sister works 2 day overnight jobs, the husband is a full time baby sister that gets his money thru the state. They have a big screen tv, and video games, broadband connection, cell phone and a nice computer. But their 3 kids don't have any clean clothes. They got over $3k back from the gov't last year, and you are telling me that two people that don't leave the house for more then 2 days a week, should be getting a pass on taxes, and getting back more then they put in, as well as all the other benefits, like healthcare, foodstamps. I am sorry I don't see why people are bitching about the rich getting a 4% or so tax cut, when their are people out their that don't do anything, and get money from the gov't
 
[quote name='ZarathosNY']dude, they weren't scared of Reagan, Reagan brokered a deal to sell them arms. Remember Iran-Contra?[/quote]

How could anybody not? It's the reason that we have gotten to play all of those kick ass Contra games. Well all of the ones for the NES, SNES, and Shattered Soldier kicked ass at least.
 
[quote name='Tromack']

Well given that it is what Clinton did, and the opposite of what Bush has done. I would say it is a very democrat thing to do.[/quote]

Not true, according to my paycheck anyways.

[quote name='Tromack']
Oh, and The_Continental. Can we get married? I think I am in love with you. You are my favorite person to spar with here. I think our children would be fierce and intelligent.[/quote]

I'd love to, but I'm already taken. Sorry about that.
 
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