Paypal is evil? (Silent Hill related)

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hmmmm...I've read through Paypal and they suggested using Delivery Confirmation. I'll use that. I'll just wait for the Buyer to reply his address before I ship it to him with DC.

If I have known about this, I just Deny him and offer a Second Chance to the other guy that bid for $69.99. It's my 1st time selling on Ebay, and also my first lesson.
 
I made this mistake long ago i contacted them about downgrading back to reg. they said you can only do it once i said ok do it... they didn't do it... called them back, said ok we'll do it this time, didn't do it... so on and so forth tell i gave up they just wouldn't switch me back.
 
I send to non-confirmed addresses routinely. It's more of a risk, but especially if the guy has good FB, I wouldn't blink. With 17+ FB, there's minimal risk here IMO.

Roufuss and wbc have already given the good info on this one. If you sell on eBay you need to use an upgraded account. You can try to pussyfoot around with pointing buyers to an upgraded account if they try to pay with CC, but it's not worth the hassle plus you are violating the TOS by doing that.

And mgs, if you don't want to pay eBay's fees, don't sell on eBay. You should know the fees involved with any venture before getting involved, don't wait until you've commited to research that.
 
lol, your more of a whiney assed bitch rather than a cheapass gamer when It comes to bitchin over 2 dollars... I agree with redvsblue.
 
[quote name='mgsvr']Can I just use Delivery Confirmation for this? Hmmmm....he has 17 positive rating left from other Seller.[/QUOTE]

I would ship it via UPS (or FedEx). I wouldn't risk usps with an expensive package. If you do ship with usps, buy insurance to protect yourself. Also, delivery confirmation is not trackable. It will update you right right before the delivery is made. But the tracking is not real time. If usps loses or breaks the package, you're screwed. Even if the package is delivered and you have a delivery confirmation. A buyer can still flie a dispute and win the case (read www.paypalsucks.com if you want more info). Finally, Staples has a $5 discount on UPS shipping this week. It costed me about $1 to ship a game with the discount. UPS will insured the package free of charge (for the first $100).
 
I'm a EBay and PayPal noob. I just opened an account like a week ago. I'm planning to sell stuff. last night, i upgraded my paypal to Premier. i though its better this way. then i made it Verified so i guess it makes it more secured. i put in my bank account which is the checking account. now im just waiting for my bank's update.

i want to know whats wrong being a Premier and whats wrong getting credit card payments? i still get the money right? i would like u guys to help me out on the ebay stuff. what would u recommend me to do for selling. i think i should bid on some stuff and win to get some ratings. plz help and thanks.
 
It makes me sad that a Premier account takes a percentage of all transactions... I just figured everyone had paid me with credit card payments since I had upgraded it. But oh well... it's only another 50 cents to a dollar here and there.
 
I will have to agree that the fees are a bit high. What you can do is add $1 as a handling fee tacked on to the shipping as Roufous mentioned. Put a disclaimer that is shipping and handling fee of x.xx amount. Otherwise, people will fuss/give negative FB that you overcharged on shipping.

You can also save a little money and time by using Paypal shipping . Saves you a ton on DC since its like .14 opposed to the .64 I think..can't remember. At .50 per transaction, it adds up. You don't have to waste time/gas at the Post Office also.

Paypal shipping by default doesn't show the shipping $ amount so the buyer doesn't fuss. This is one of the reasons why I use it. Not to cover excessive shipping charges but just to keep the buyer from complaining / requesting refund amount on shipping.

On the comment about USPS shipping being crappy, I have shipped over 200 packages with them and never had a problem.
Just remember to ship to confirmed addresses as mentioned earlier.

Just a few pointers that might help balance out the extra charges by PP and Ebay.
 
for a Premier account what information do you need to give? I entered a CC number, but that isn't required to recieve payment and such is it? I know you need to enter you bank account to be verified, but I have it entered on my other Basic Paypal account if that matters.
 
would ship it via UPS (or FedEx). I wouldn't risk usps with an expensive package. If you do ship with usps, buy insurance to protect yourself. Also, delivery confirmation is not trackable. It will update you right right before the delivery is made.

Does buying Insurance give me any number to track the item online?
 
[quote name='mgsvr']would ship it via UPS (or FedEx). I wouldn't risk usps with an expensive package. If you do ship with usps, buy insurance to protect yourself. Also, delivery confirmation is not trackable. It will update you right right before the delivery is made.

Does buying Insurance give me any number to track the item online?[/QUOTE]

No. The cheapest tracking option offered by the post office is Delivery Confirmation.
 
One more question:

Can I make another account, and transfer all my avaiable balance to that account. So if that Buyer ever strike back "saying he doesn't recieve the item", Paypal can close my account or whatever since there is no more balance on my original account anymore. Do you think Paypal going to charge from the credit card instead?
 
[quote name='mgsvr']One more question:

Can I make another account, and transfer all my avaiable balance to that account. So if that Buyer ever strike back "saying he doesn't recieve the item", Paypal can close my account or whatever since there is no more balance on my original account anymore. Do you think Paypal going to charge from the credit card instead?[/QUOTE]
They'll still get their money. My first selling experience on eBay (WoW) ended with a fraudulent buyer. Only way I knew this was because another seller contacted me and let me know he had just won like 5 or more WoW auctions, so was rather shady. I delayed doing anything (he wanted the CD key emailed to him), transferred the money to my bank account, and took my CC and bank accounts off of my PayPal account (in case fraudulent buyer tried to get his money back before I figured out what was going on). Eventually the account holder was informed he was getting screwed over and got refunded all the money. Even though my bank account was now unlinked, they still managed to suck the money back out of there.

And that transaction is why I don't tend to eBay much, though I did sell a game a few months ago and that went okay.
 
Hmmmm the Buyer just inform me that the address is correct. I'll just ship it to him with Delivery Confirmation. I hope with 17+ FB, he should be less risky...

Next time I'll just ship only to Confirmed address, I've learned my lesson.
 
You can have 2 accounts, a basic and "premium". I have my basic one connected to ebay, and whenever someone tries to pay with a credit card I just tell them to send it to that account.
 
[quote name='mgsvr']Hmmmm the Buyer just inform me that the address is correct. I'll just ship it to him with Delivery Confirmation. I hope with 17+ FB, he should be less risky...

Next time I'll just ship only to Confirmed address, I've learned my lesson.[/QUOTE]


I recently sold a Marvel vs Capcom 2 for PS2 for about $70. I charged $4 shipping, got hit for $3.xx in eBay fees and $2.xx in PayPal fees. Yeah, it sucks, but where else was I able to turn this extra game into almost enough cash to cover the following?

EB Games Buy 2 Get 1 Free:
Marvel vs Capcom 2: $44.98
Magna Carta: $40.49
Tales of Legendia: $0.01

Total: $85.48

Then sold MvC2, after all fees and shipping, for $63.xx, meaning I paid about $22 (in EB credit) for Magna Carta and Legendia.

This buyer was zero feedback, though confirmed, so I even tacked on insurance for my own protection (though only for $50). It got delivered yesterday according to DC (but haven't heard from the buyer yet).

What I've been doing in my recent auctions is requiring the buyer to purchase the insurance if they have an unconfirmed address. Hopefully this will cover me should anyone try to pull something. That's another option for you to handle the potential chargeback issue.

Do you only get seller protection if you have a Premiere account? I've had mine for so long I have no idea. But that is a good reason to have it as well - then if you send to a confirmed address with DC, you should be protected even if the charge was fraudulent or the buyer claims they didn't get it. This happened to me just recently (supposedly fraudulent use of card number but address was confirmed so I kept the money - PayPal wouldn't tell me what the deal was otherwise).

Oh and a LONG time ago I used to maintain two PayPal accounts and do the different charges to different accounts thing - but it became too much of a hassle after I had to deny 2 or 3 payments because they paid to the wrong account (it was all laid out in my auction description and at the time eBay didn't have a problem with that). The buyers were understanding and resubmitted the payments, but it was just too much trouble. So I just gave up and joined the dark side :D.

Note that it seems you are being double-dipped by eBay and that is true in a sense. But back when I first started on eBay PayPal was a separate entity so it made more sense for there to be fees in addition to the eBay seller fees. eBay tried it's own payment scheme (bidpay I think?) and it failed so they simply bought out PayPal. It still continues to suck that they hit you with the fees even when they are just doing a simple balance-to-balance transfer that costs them nothing more than the electricity to run their server for 2 seconds.
 
How come you sold Marvel for $70, and ebay only charge you $3.xx, while they charge me $5.xx ??? I believe I only use the standard way with picture and that's it.

Anyway, which is it best for me to get Insurance or Delivery Confirmation at the post office? If the buyer is fraud, which is better to show proof to Paypal? Thanks.
 
[quote name='mgsvr']How come you sold Marvel for $70, and ebay only charge you $3.xx, while they charge me $5.xx ??? I believe I only use the standard way with picture and that's it.

Anyway, which is it best for me to get Insurance or Delivery Confirmation at the post office? If the buyer is fraud, which is better to show proof to Paypal? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Ah, dear eBay newbie, only that special knowledge which comes with experience :D.

I started the listing at 95 cents, and added a picture for 35 cents. So my listing fees were only 55 cents, then tack on the closing fee of about $3, and you get $3.xx. If you start your listing at $50 you pay much more in fees. If it is an item that gets a lot of looks (like MvsC2) and you KNOW will end high, there's no point starting it out high - you'll get cheaper fees AND more looks if you start less than $1.

As for the PayPal issue - the ONLY thing they will care about is DC, IF the address is confirmed. I only added the insurance as double-protection. But if you send to an unconfirmed address and they claim they never got it, I suppose you could just take said claim to the PO and get insurance back. I've never had to do this so I don't know exactly how it works. The insurance won't help with PayPal disputes, but you might be able to use it to get your money back (from USPS) after PayPal sucks it out of your account.
 
[quote name='mgsvr']How come you sold Marvel for $70, and ebay only charge you $3.xx, while they charge me $5.xx ??? I believe I only use the standard way with picture and that's it.

Anyway, which is it best for me to get Insurance or Delivery Confirmation at the post office? If the buyer is fraud, which is better to show proof to Paypal? Thanks.[/quote]

You dont seem to be understanding if the buyer is a fraud paypal wont give a shit if you bought insurance or delivery confirmation hes going to get his money back because he has an unconfirmed address. Hell he could even sign for the package and say he never got it and still get his money back
 
I see. Hmmm...wow, and how could Paypal side with Buyer with Unconfirmed address?

I mean if it's a Confirmed address, then Paypal can bitch about it. but this is a buyer with Unconfirmed address, Paypal should side with the Seller instead. I see Paypal, damn hopefully after all this mess I'll never sell through Ebay with Paypal anymore.
 
I started the listing at 95 cents, and added a picture for 35 cents. So my listing fees were only 55 cents, then tack on the closing fee of about $3, and you get $3.xx.

Oh I think they charge me $5.xx cuz I list some other items for sales too. No wonder..
 
[quote name='mgsvr']I started the listing at 95 cents, and added a picture for 35 cents. So my listing fees were only 55 cents, then tack on the closing fee of about $3, and you get $3.xx.

Oh I think they charge me $5.xx cuz I list some other items for sales too. No wonder..[/QUOTE]

Uh... Well, yeah - I'm only talking about the one item. You can go to your seller account and see a listing of fees by item.
 
what is the best way to go about getting you money back if you never recieved your item, and so happens a few days later the seller is no longer a registered user. If you used CC-paypal, you can just reverse charge the bastard right?
 
[quote name='mkg12']what is the best way to go about getting you money back if you never recieved your item, and so happens a few days later the seller is no longer a registered user. If you used CC-paypal, you can just reverse charge the bastard right?[/QUOTE]
Well, you'd be reverse charging PayPal, but yeah... if you paid with credit card, that's the easiest way, since your credit card company cares more about making you happy.
 
Gotta make this quick,

paypalsucks.com

There is a site dedicated to just how bad Pp can be. ^


eBay really should be considered a monopoly with all the money they make. I love the way they keep rasing the final value fee. Only way to avoid Pp fees is by Pp funds. But I heard it's NEVER good idea to keep more than 100 in your Pp account.

Well, you'd be reverse charging PayPal, but yeah... if you paid with credit card, that's the easiest way, since your credit card company cares more about making you happy.
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So true. That why Pp payments should always be from your CC.
 
I just sold something on Ebay, but the person wants me to send it to a different address than the confirmed address(which is a red alert). I'm not sure what I should do. The address they want me to send to is in the same city and state as the confirmed one. And the persons last name they want me to address it to is also the same.

I'm leaning toward the it should be ok to send it....but at the same time I kind of want to be careful just in case.
 
If you're not a premium account holder, the seller protection benefit does not apply. So it's a moot point to send it to the confirmed address or not, since the buy can still go bersek. Your best bet is to use a trackable shipping or Delivery Confirmation. If your item is expensive, get insurance or make sure the buyer agrees that you are not responsible if they want it shipped to their unconfirmed address.

Of course, there is no sure way to protect yourself. But a little bit of the safe guards above could help a long way.
 
[quote name='mkg12']I just sold something on Ebay, but the person wants me to send it to a different address than the confirmed address(which is a red alert). I'm not sure what I should do. The address they want me to send to is in the same city and state as the confirmed one. And the persons last name they want me to address it to is also the same.

I'm leaning toward the it should be ok to send it....but at the same time I kind of want to be careful just in case.[/quote]


If you dont have your paypal account set up to only accepted confirmed addresses, do that.
If someone wants to send to an unconfirmed address in my auctions, I require another form of payment.
 
paypal is being retarded with my seller also.

He sends an air conditioner 3 weeks after i won the auction, i filed a chargeback after 2 weeks since he kept promising , then he said he would leave feedback as soon as i canceled it, which i did since i recieved it. he left positive feedback.

i open it up the next day and it's a different fucking unit that i ordered he's like srry and watever try to get it straightened out and whatever, PAYPAL says that you can't file more than 1 chargeback even if i canceled it they said go thru ebay. I fucking emailed them back that ebay transfers me to paypal which is totally gay. I'm about to neg the buyer he has only 20 positive feedback so that'll bring him down. He says other a/c unit went to irac. ( yes i know it's spelled iraq he apparantly doesn't)

not a big scam just he isn't careful and i got a crappier unit that's been used a lot more.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']As a seller, on Ebay, if you say you accept Paypal, you MUST accept ALL FORMS of Paypal. Yes, it sucks, but those are the rules.

When I first started out on Ebay, I made an auction, and I stated I didn't accept credit card funded Paypal payments. Ebay pulled the auction in a day, and sent me an email telling me that if I was to use Paypal, I need to accept all forms of payment.

Paypal fees aren't that bad, just charge an extra dollar or so for shipping to make up for it.[/QUOTE]


Yes according to the paypal rules if someone makes a cc payment you MUST accept it. You can not tell anyone that you don't take cc payments, according to their policy. If you do your account can be closed. Take sometime to read all their policies, you will be surprised.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister1234']If you dont have your paypal account set up to only accepted confirmed addresses, do that.
If someone wants to send to an unconfirmed address in my auctions, I require another form of payment.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I didn't know you could do this... I'll have to consider it. Just sold something to someone in Canada, with, of course, an unconfirmed address - no that it matters because I couldn't provide a tracking number anyway.
 
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