Philly swim camp kicks out the black and Hispanic kids for scaring white people

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More than 60 campers from Northeast Philadelphia were turned away from a private swim club and left to wonder if their race was the reason.

"I heard this lady, she was like, 'Uh, what are all these black kids doing here?' She's like, 'I'm scared they might do something to my child,'" said camper Dymire Baylor.

The Creative Steps Day Camp paid more than $1900 to The Valley Swim Club. The Valley Swim Club is a private club that advertises open membership. But the campers' first visit to the pool suggested otherwise.

"When the minority children got in the pool all of the Caucasian children immediately exited the pool," Horace Gibson, parent of a day camp child, wrote in an email. "The pool attendants came and told the black children that they did not allow minorities in the club and needed the children to leave immediately."

The next day the club told the camp director that the camp's membership was being suspended and their money would be refunded.

"I said, 'The parents don't want the refund. They want a place for their children to swim,'" camp director Aetha Wright said.

Campers remain unsure why they're no longer welcome.

"They just kicked us out. And we were about to go. Had our swim things and everything," said camper Simer Burwell.

The explanation they got was either dishearteningly honest or poorly worded.

"There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club," John Duesler, President of The Valley Swim Club said in a statement.

While the parents await an apology, the camp is scrambling to find a new place for the kids to beat the summer heat.
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http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html
 
Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.

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Marshall was the most seriously injured. He suffered a concussion and multiple bruises to his head and eye. He said he spent five nights in the critical care unit at Akron General Medical Center.
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http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html
 
A white schoolboy left for dead by a hammer-wielding gang of Asians has insisted the attack was racially motivated.

Fifteen-year-old Henry Webster was assaulted by a gang of 13 youths, one carrying a claw hammer, on a school tennis court in January 2007.

The attack, which was watched by 100 pupils and filmed on a mobile phone, was described in court as like 'something out of a Quentin Tarantino film'. It was said to be a 'miracle' the boy survived.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1152533/Boys-fight-prove-attack-Asian-gang-racist.html

Kick them crazy Asians out too!
 
Was the swim club in Philly or right outside? My ex-g/f was from across the bridge in NJ, and while Camden sucked, there were some rich white neighborhoods there. I could only imagine a bus load of black kids with corn rolls pulling up to one of those neighborhoods.

They must have taken their actual website down. This is all it says now.

[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The Valley Club is deeply troubled by the recent allegations of racism which are completely untrue.[/FONT] [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]We had originally agreed to invite the camps to use our facility, knowing full well that the children from the camps were from multi-ethnic backgrounds. Unfortunately, we quickly learned that we underestimated the capacity of our facilities and realized that we could not accommodate the number of children from these camps. All funds were returned to the camps and we will re-evaluate the issue at a later date to determine whether it can be feasible in the future. [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]Our Valley Club deplores discrimination in any form, as is evidenced by our multi-ethnic and diverse membership. Whatever comments may or may not have been made by an individual member is an opinion not shared by The Valley Club Board. [/FONT]
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I kinda figured it was a B.S. story.
 
"The pool attendants came and told the black children that they did not allow minorities in the club and needed the children to leave immediately."

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[quote name='lilboo']I think it's BS..but that's me...[/QUOTE]

I dunno, I'm not seeing a real good reason why they aren't allowed there anymore. I do seriously doubt that they said they didn't allow minorities there, but crazier things have been said before.
 
Look.
Being from Philly I've seen this shit happen before.

This is where I really don't understand this kind of stuff: If/When black people do whatever they want, and they get called out on it..it's racist. Why is it racist? If those kids where running around and causing chaos, and the white people told them to get out--Why is it racist? Because they are black, are they excused from everything?? It's almost like we aren't allowed to ever tell a black person "No" or kick them out of places because they did something. I'm not all about kicking people out of places, LOL, and I really am all about equality..however, you can't just do whatever you want and then cry racism.

And yet, for some reason, when people think like me..that's racist too. So, are we really supposed to let any one (minority) do what they want?
 
[quote name='lilboo']Look.
Being from Philly I've seen this shit happen before.

This is where I really don't understand this kind of stuff: If/When black people do whatever they want, and they get called out on it..it's racist. Why is it racist? If those kids where running around and causing chaos, and the white people told them to get out--Why is it racist? Because they are black, are they excused from everything?? It's almost like we aren't allowed to ever tell a black person "No" or kick them out of places because they did something. I'm not all about kicking people out of places, LOL, and I really am all about equality..however, you can't just do whatever you want and then cry racism.

And yet, for some reason, when people think like me..that's racist too. So, are we really supposed to let any one (minority) do what they want?[/QUOTE]

This is the power of subtle racism in our time.

Read the article.

Show me how you come to the conclusion, given what is stated in the article, that they did "whatever they want," or were "running around/causing chaos."

Show me your work. Or do you assume that any given group of black people in an area act like uncouth, uncivilized, ne'er do well loudmouth atavists?

That is the power of racism. Given no information about their behavior WHATSOEVER, you begin to fill in the blanks with stereotypes about black behavior, justifying the racism of the swim club based on what you assume about the behavior of these children.

MOREOVER, you excuse the racism displayed in the article. You forgive the attitudes that said "what are all these black kids doing here...I'm scared they might do something to my child." You excuse the reactions of white stated in the article - that "When the minority children got in the pool all of the Caucasian children immediately exited the pool." You overlook the club's either poor choice of words or flagrantly racist response that "a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club."

In short, you willfully ignore what IS IN THE ARTICLE, and add your own presumptions about what happened that is NOT IN THE ARTICLE, to frame this situation in a way that suggests the white people's behavior is perfectly fine, and that the black people are clearly responsible for their own exclusion.

That's not just racist, it's ridiculously fucking racist. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
 
I'm also going by what's going on in the local news too. Some of it says they admitted to it and some say the kids where rowdy and kicked them out because of that--BUT never told them why LOL

I'm also talking in general as well. Let's say..because of this story, more camps take the kids their (who are majority of black). Let's say they go in and run around, trashing up the place, diving in the "No Dive" section, leaving trash all over, etc. Let's say another group does this--Why shouldn't they be kicked out? Why is it OK to call the place racist if they were to do that?

I'm not sure where you live, but growing up in Philly I've seen this shit my entire fuckin life. And I hate it. There's a whole slew of black people who are there who are just holding their people back. It's a disgrace.

When I was younger, most of the neighborhoods where nice. They were safe. You rarely heard of shootings (in specific areas). Now, it's majority of black and it looks terrible. (Trash on the street, windows broken, etc). You often hear about violence in those areas more often. So, why is that wrong to have LIVED there and see what has happened to it?

There is this mall in Center City called "The Gallery". It's kind of dumb, but neat at the same time. They basically built a mall that connected to the Suburban Station, which is kind of a big deal. They built this in I believe in the 70's or early 80s. It was a really nice place..lots of high end and almost high end stores. So what happened? Black people complained because the stores didn't cater to their people.So they sued and protested so they could work in those stores. What I don't understand is this: They wanted the jobs, but didn't want to shop in the stores? That's just looking for shit. But I will never agree with not giving someone a job because their black. I will never agree with that. Ever.

If you go to the Gallery now, well. It's awful. People get stabbed waiting in line at the food court. Recently, like 6 months or so ago, this old man got beat up and mugged in the bathroom. But yet, it's wrong to look at what the Gallery was and what it is now? Come on. I'm not racist at all. I really am not, but I see what goes on and I'm not blind. I ignore it because I have to. We have to ignore what we see, or, we are racist.
 
[quote name='lilboo']I'm also going by what's going on in the local news too. Some of it says they admitted to it and some say the kids where rowdy and kicked them out because of that--BUT never told them why LOL

I'm also talking in general as well. Let's say..because of this story, more camps take the kids their (who are majority of black). Let's say they go in and run around, trashing up the place, diving in the "No Dive" section, leaving trash all over, etc. Let's say another group does this--Why shouldn't they be kicked out? Why is it OK to call the place racist if they were to do that?

I'm not sure where you live, but growing up in Philly I've seen this shit my entire fuckin life. And I hate it. There's a whole slew of black people who are there who are just holding their people back. It's a disgrace.

When I was younger, most of the neighborhoods where nice. They were safe. You rarely heard of shootings (in specific areas). Now, it's majority of black and it looks terrible. (Trash on the street, windows broken, etc). You often hear about violence in those areas more often. So, why is that wrong to have LIVED there and see what has happened to it?

There is this mall in Center City called "The Gallery". It's kind of dumb, but neat at the same time. They basically built a mall that connected to the Suburban Station, which is kind of a big deal. They built this in I believe in the 70's or early 80s. It was a really nice place..lots of high end and almost high end stores. So what happened? Black people complained because the stores didn't cater to their people.So they sued and protested so they could work in those stores. What I don't understand is this: They wanted the jobs, but didn't want to shop in the stores? That's just looking for shit. But I will never agree with not giving someone a job because their black. I will never agree with that. Ever.

If you go to the Gallery now, well. It's awful. People get stabbed waiting in line at the food court. Recently, like 6 months or so ago, this old man got beat up and mugged in the bathroom. But yet, it's wrong to look at what the Gallery was and what it is now? Come on. I'm not racist at all. I really am not, but I see what goes on and I'm not blind. I ignore it because I have to. We have to ignore what we see, or, we are racist.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='lilboo']Yes and I hate that. That's why I leave my daisy dukes at home.[/QUOTE]

But it's okay to do the same with black folks. "Because I live in Philly."

That's what I get from you - you know better, yet you still are more than happy to overlook what is stated in the article and make things up - to rearrange and fictionalize the order of events to suit your narrative that all black people are trouble causing rabble who are not the victims of discrimination, but the victims of their own uncouth choices.
 
No no no. I'm talking about specific situations that I have seen personally. Living in NJ (I'm glad I moved) showed that all black people WEREN'T the black people in Philly! I seen that it's really the ones IN Philly (or ones like that) ARE the ones holding the rest of them back.

So when a place (like neighborhood or mall) was once really nice, gets populated by majority of black people, and it turns to shit (You can physically SEE it, that is)..why is it wrong to say it's because of the ones who moved in? That's what I don't get. I know it's not ALL of them. Of course not. But you and most people say it's wrong to say that when it's so obviously true.

NOT saying "when black people move into areas it turns into shit". No. That's what you'd probably tell me. BUT when a place is NICE, blacks roll up, it becomes to shit--why is it wrong to say what happened???
 
It's a private club that has a right to deny access to anyone. I think what part of the story they're missing is that it probably was overcrowded and like the article says "changed the atmosphere" of the swim club. The regular members of the club complained that they didn't like the atmosphere of the pool that day. It's the clubs right to deny access to keep the atmosphere that it wants.

Think of it this way. Let's say you had a favorite bar that was pretty quiet and you just liked to have a drink and talk. One night a bus load of fraternity brothers pulls up, and the mood changes where they're doing body shots, shotgunning beers, etc. If they bar patrons complain to the owners that these people come in once a week and make the bar atmosphere change, and I don't want to come here anymore, wouldn't the owner want to keep his loyal patrons.
 
Can anyone just stop and think of the children... ?

They need water... they are hot... they will die if we don't get them in water!
 
[quote name='woodraskam']It's a private club that has a right to deny access to anyone. I think what part of the story they're missing is that it probably was overcrowded and like the article says "changed the atmosphere" of the swim club. The regular members of the club complained that they didn't like the atmosphere of the pool that day. It's the clubs right to deny access to keep the atmosphere that it wants.

Think of it this way. Let's say you had a favorite bar that was pretty quiet and you just liked to have a drink and talk. One night a bus load of fraternity brothers pulls up, and the mood changes where they're doing body shots, shotgunning beers, etc. If they bar patrons complain to the owners that these people come in once a week and make the bar atmosphere change, and I don't want to come here anymore, wouldn't the owner want to keep his loyal patrons.[/QUOTE]

The moral of the story is: As long as those frat guys where white, then it's OK to kick them out. If they aren't, then we have to put up with whatever they are doing.
 
[quote name='woodraskam']It's a private club that has a right to deny access to anyone. I think what part of the story they're missing is that it probably was overcrowded and like the article says "changed the atmosphere" of the swim club. The regular members of the club complained that they didn't like the atmosphere of the pool that day. It's the clubs right to deny access to keep the atmosphere that it wants.[/QUOTE]

Correct. As a former lifeguard, pool companies do this all the time. They overbook the pool in hopes that everyone won't fully utilize their summer pass. I'm sure when the buses started pulling up to an already-full pool some lifeguard realized that he had just been f'ed by the company. There is a fair chance it has nothing to do with race.

Alot of misinformation here - were some of the kids causing real trouble or not? I can tell you, when you get a crowded pool even normally good kids can start acting nuts. Then again, there is definately a line between kids who just get over-excited and the kids who are completely out-of-control.
 
Honestly i think this is just another case of the media blowing something way out of proportion.
From what I have read and seen, and btw I live in Huntingdon Valley, PA only about 1 mile from the Valley swim club. This is a private club, where people pay a lot of money to join. Having over 60 kids come and swim is not what all these people paid their dues for. The club is at fault for even accepting the contract. Those kids needed to be removed because they were just being kids which are loud and splash water around, not because of the color of their skin whether they are white, black, yellow, or whatever. The club is a high class and it was a bad mix from the beginning
 
[quote name='sassygnome']Those kids needed to be removed because they were just being kids which are loud and splash water around, not because of the color of their skin whether they are white, black, yellow, or whatever. The club is a high class and it was a bad mix from the beginning[/QUOTE]

"The school already serves 500 campers of its own, but felt they could squeeze in 65 more -- especially since the pool is vacant on the day the Creative Steps had originally planned to swim at Valley Swim Club."

It's not just about kids, or they wouldn't have any at all, but yeah, it's more then likely it's mostly about having poor people in their pool, I think this is more a class thing then a race issue.
 
"The school already serves 500 campers of its own, but felt they could squeeze in 65 more -- especially since the pool is vacant on the day the Creative Steps had originally planned to swim at Valley Swim Club."

where did you see this? I have been watching the news and read some articles online but I didn't see it mentioned that there were already 500 campers at this pool?

if that is the case than this might change my opinion on this matter
 
[quote name='sassygnome']"The school already serves 500 campers of its own, but felt they could squeeze in 65 more -- especially since the pool is vacant on the day the Creative Steps had originally planned to swim at Valley Swim Club."

where did you see this? I have been watching the news and read some articles online but I didn't see it mentioned that there were already 500 campers at this pool?

if that is the case than this might change my opinion on this matter[/QUOTE]

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Swim-Club-Members-Nothing-to-Do-With-Race.html

Whoops, nevermind, I misread it, another school stepped up to offer swimming facilities.:) But I think you hit it right on the head, it's an exclusive private pool that people pay a lot of money for, they don't want poor people at their pool.
 
I don't think the club itself is racist, maybe an individual or two is and made those ignorant comments, but I won't judge the swim club as a whole based on hearsay.

I do think it has more to do with it being overcrowded, as they said in the statement they invited them knowing full well that it was a multi-ethnic school. I honestly think the manager is just an idiot, based on the "complexion..." comment as well as taking on a bunch of kids from multiple school camps without even notifying existing members.

I would also be pissed off if I paid for a "private membership" and the pool ended up being overcrowded by a bunch of rowdy camp kids. I think management wanted to save face with existing members, more than anything, of course now they are in an even worse situation now.
 
Now, because of this, just watch and wait in 5 years and see how the swim club turns out...because now more and more black people are going to go to prove a point. But I'm racist so what do I know
 
[quote name='yukine']I would also be pissed off if I paid for a "private membership" and the pool ended up being overcrowded by a bunch of rowdy camp kids. I think management wanted to save face with existing members, more than anything, of course now they are in an even worse situation now.[/QUOTE]

Plenty of people get pissed off if they pay money for a pool membership and the pool is overcrowded. Period.

Believe me as a former lifeguard I know and it isn't pretty. It doesn't matter what race or age the people are, if the pool is over-crowded then patrons are going to get pissed. I can't blame them, I wouldn't want to pay big bucks for a pool membership if that really amounts to a small square of water on the days that I wasn't turned away because it's already filled to capacity.

I'll bet you that some pool company guy thought he was real clever signing up alot of families from one town over, thinking that they'd rarely make the drive. However when they all showed up in the bus they realized it just wasn't going to work. Who knows what was in that business guys mind, but it seems a shame to take it out on the community (not that that ever stopped the sensationalist media...)
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html[/QUOTE]


Pete Dominick was talking about this article on the show. He was making his point that this story reeks of BS, and after browsing over it, I agree. The dude gets "attacked" by 50 people and has no injuries other than his head? How the hell does one get beat up by 50 people and only get head injuries? And there's 50 out of control kids in a neighborhood and no one calls 911 or apparently any police?
 
[quote name='homeland']Pete Dominick was talking about this article on the show. He was making his point that this story reeks of BS, and after browsing over it, I agree. The dude gets "attacked" by 50 people and has no injuries other than his head? How the hell does one get beat up by 50 people and only get head injuries? And there's 50 out of control kids in a neighborhood and no one calls 911 or apparently any police?[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='lilboo']So, blacks never do anything wrong? It's just one big white conspiracy?[/QUOTE]


yup, just like all gay men have super fashion sense.



If your referring to the last 2 posts, I was responding specifically to the story Ram posted, and I'm assuming Myke's response was about my post about Rams story.
 
Used to be a water park near me that used to get everyone kicked out because of all the Soul Glow in the water. You could actually see rainbowlike patterns in the water from all the oil buildup.
 
[quote name='lilboo']No no no. I'm talking about specific situations that I have seen personally. Living in NJ (I'm glad I moved) showed that all black people WEREN'T the black people in Philly! I seen that it's really the ones IN Philly (or ones like that) ARE the ones holding the rest of them back.[/QUOTE]
no offense man but you sound pretty racist

i understand the types of behaviors you're against that you've seen in a lot of philly blacks, but that behavior has absolutely nothing to do with race.. talking about it as if it's a racial issue, which it isn't, is racist. it's much more to do with the culture of that socioeconomic group. if our nation's history had been a little different, it could just as well be any other ethnicity, or multiple ethnicity.. or the niche could not exist at all.. to classify that group by the predominant race is just racist
 
I've seen it MOSTLY in blacks in Philly. Not all. Not a few. But a good majority of the time I do. Why is that wrong? I don't dislike them as a race because that's silly..I don't dislike them at all. I know I might be sounding like im racist--but that's my point. It's like, you are never allowed to point anything out like that without being labeled a racist.
 
but what i mean.. like.. okay, what if there weren't many whites in america, most whites lived in rural alabama, rural texas, etc, a couple places like that, where they all wore wife beaters and were alcoholics and loved nascar... would it then be okay to classify that social group as whites, just because they happen to be white? i'd hope not.. their race has nothing to do with their behavior..

i know what you're saying, i mean, i grew up in rural LA with a lot of racial tension, and i've heard my family members come visit me here in seattle and say stuff like "if our blacks acted like your blacks, i wouldn't have a problem with them"... and that sorta thought is just divisive, race is not affecting their behavior so it's wrong to classify the behavior of a social group by that group's predominant race..
 
[quote name='Koggit']but what i mean.. like.. okay, what if there weren't many whites in america, most whites lived in rural alabama, rural texas, etc, a couple places like that, where they all wore wife beaters and were alcoholics and loved nascar... would it then be okay to classify that social group as whites, just because they happen to be white? i'd hope not.. their race has nothing to do with their behavior..
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Well, yeah. It would be. I mean it's an observation. If you walked downtown in Birmingham, AL and you saw that..then it's OK to classify as the people in downtown as white rednecks or whatever you want to call them because that IS what YOU saw. There's a difference in saying "ALLLLL whites" are like that or "ALLLLL whites from Alabama are like that", hell, "ALL WHITES FROM BIRMINGHAM ARE LIKE THAT".. No. However, IF the majority of the white people from Birmingham that YOU saw WERE like that.. well, your just saying what you see. What's wrong with that?

know what you're saying, i mean, i grew up in rural LA with a lot of racial tension, and i've heard my family members come visit me here in seattle and say stuff like "if our blacks acted like your blacks, i wouldn't have a problem with them"... and that sorta thought is just divisive, race is not affecting their behavior so it's wrong to classify the behavior of a social group by that group's predominant race..
But where I live..I do notice a difference in areas where the majority of blacks are. In my parents area, all the black people are just... black people. They are people. They are just whatever. They blend in with the society around them. The majority of the ones from Philly really stood out and they were the kind you didn't want as a neighbor. Again, I ask, what is wrong with wanting certain things and observing stuff?
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I think the problem here is while most intelligent people can see that maybe it shouldn't be applied to all groups, others will use it to reinforce negative stereotypes and apply it to all people within that group.
 
[quote name='lilboo']There's stereotypes for practically everything. There's a reason. All stereotypes hold some kind of truth.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree with you, but it's still not fair to paint everyone with the same brush, because that is what inevitably happens, especially with negative stereotypes.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Well, yeah. It would be. I mean it's an observation. If you walked downtown in Birmingham, AL and you saw that..then it's OK to classify as the people in downtown as white rednecks or whatever you want to call them because that IS what YOU saw. There's a difference in saying "ALLLLL whites" are like that or "ALLLLL whites from Alabama are like that", hell, "ALL WHITES FROM BIRMINGHAM ARE LIKE THAT".. No. However, IF the majority of the white people from Birmingham that YOU saw WERE like that.. well, your just saying what you see. What's wrong with that?

But where I live..I do notice a difference in areas where the majority of blacks are. In my parents area, all the black people are just... black people. They are people. They are just whatever. They blend in with the society around them. The majority of the ones from Philly really stood out and they were the kind you didn't want as a neighbor. Again, I ask, what is wrong with wanting certain things and observing stuff?[/QUOTE]

i think there's some miscommunication here.. my point is that by using race as a descriptor for the group, you're fueling divisive thought that the race is associated with the behavior, even if you don't actually believe that race affects behavior.

it would not be okay to negatively refer to a social group as whites, even if you fully acknowledged that not all whites act like that, simply because characterizing the group by the predominant ethnicity implies that ethnicity is somehow related to the behavior...
 
[quote name='lilboo']There's stereotypes for practically everything. There's a reason. All stereotypes hold some kind of truth.[/QUOTE]



Why are Polish considered stupid?

Americans first targeted Poles during their first wave of immigration, circa 1917. Like all immigrants, they had trouble understanding the language, customs and accoutrements of urban technology. Nativists who found immigrants threatening found it easy to brand them stupid.
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So would your truth be, that Poles really aren't dumb, but society is made up of a bunch of assholes?
 
[quote name='Koggit']it would not be okay to negatively refer to a social group as whites, even if you fully acknowledged that not all whites act like that, simply because characterizing the group by the predominant ethnicity implies that ethnicity is somehow related to the behavior...[/QUOTE]

I feel I'm going OT because I feel this is a sensationalist story whipped up by the media out of appearances and coincidence.

But somehow I don't see you getting this worked up when AMC plays "The Godfather" movies all day.

Ethnicity does affect behavior, it has positive effects and negative effects, it pushes some to do better and others to not live to their full potential. IMO if people can only talk about the positive effects for fear of being tarred with the r word it stunts progress.

If ethnicity does not affect behavior, do you think it is a coincidence that most Americans happen to choose Christianity, while most Americans with a middle-eastern background happen to choose Islam, most Americans with an Indian background happen to choose Hinduism, etc etc.

I think the poor get a raw deal in America and I think that's the root of the problem. But let's not pretend that the behavioral effect of ethnicity has always been positive everywhere.
 
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