Philly swim camp kicks out the black and Hispanic kids for scaring white people

[quote name='lilboo']Well, yeah. It would be. I mean it's an observation. If you walked downtown in Birmingham, AL and you saw that..then it's OK to classify as the people in downtown as white rednecks or whatever you want to call them because that IS what YOU saw. There's a difference in saying "ALLLLL whites" are like that or "ALLLLL whites from Alabama are like that", hell, "ALL WHITES FROM BIRMINGHAM ARE LIKE THAT".. No. However, IF the majority of the white people from Birmingham that YOU saw WERE like that.. well, your just saying what you see. What's wrong with that?

know what you're saying, i mean, i grew up in rural LA with a lot of racial tension, and i've heard my family members come visit me here in seattle and say stuff like "if our blacks acted like your blacks, i wouldn't have a problem with them"... and that sorta thought is just divisive, race is not affecting their behavior so it's wrong to classify the behavior of a social group by that group's predominant race..
But where I live..I do notice a difference in areas where the majority of blacks are. In my parents area, all the black people are just... black people. They are people. They are just whatever. They blend in with the society around them. The majority of the ones from Philly really stood out and they were the kind you didn't want as a neighbor. Again, I ask, what is wrong with wanting certain things and observing stuff?
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Boo, if you just stop saying "black people" and just say "people", i'd mostly agree with you. The way people act has nothing to do with their race, it's how they were taught to act. If you want to know why they act a certain way, look back at their parents and how they were raised and influenced.

People from different backgrounds act differently, i've met rude people from basically every race on earth, but i don't lump their entire race in with them.
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[quote name='camoor']I feel I'm going OT because I feel this is a sensationalist story whipped up by the media out of appearances and coincidence.

But somehow I don't see you getting this worked up when AMC plays "The Godfather" movies all day.

Ethnicity does affect behavior, it has positive effects and negative effects, it pushes some to do better and others to not live to their full potential. IMO if people can only talk about the positive effects for fear of being tarred with the r word it stunts progress.

If ethnicity does not affect behavior, do you think it is a coincidence that most Americans happen to choose Christianity, while most Americans with a middle-eastern background happen to choose Islam, most Americans with an Indian background happen to choose Hinduism, etc etc.

I think the poor get a raw deal in America and I think that's the root of the problem. But let's not pretend that the behavioral effect of ethnicity has always been positive everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Ethnicity has nothing to do with religion. Again, look to their family and other influences in their life. It's no coincidence that a person from a "insert religion here" family also turns out to follow the same religion. That isn't true 100% of the time, but a large amount of it.

Put it this way, you could take an adopted baby from China, give them to an American christian family, and there is a good chance that child will be christian. The child is still ethnically Chinese though.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Well, yeah. It would be. I mean it's an observation. If you walked downtown in Birmingham, AL and you saw that..then it's OK to classify as the people in downtown as white rednecks or whatever you want to call them because that IS what YOU saw. There's a difference in saying "ALLLLL whites" are like that or "ALLLLL whites from Alabama are like that", hell, "ALL WHITES FROM BIRMINGHAM ARE LIKE THAT".. No. However, IF the majority of the white people from Birmingham that YOU saw WERE like that.. well, your just saying what you see. What's wrong with that?[/QUOTE]

Apparently, a lot... and "observation" does equal racism... BTW, seriously though... at the expense of sounding racist... are all whites that like Nascrap like that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOyDLUzAAOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2syY12OPkwI
 
[quote name='mykevermin']This is the power of subtle racism in our time.

Read the article.

Show me how you come to the conclusion, given what is stated in the article, that they did "whatever they want," or were "running around/causing chaos."

Show me your work. Or do you assume that any given group of black people in an area act like uncouth, uncivilized, ne'er do well loudmouth atavists?

That is the power of racism. Given no information about their behavior WHATSOEVER, you begin to fill in the blanks with stereotypes about black behavior, justifying the racism of the swim club based on what you assume about the behavior of these children.

MOREOVER, you excuse the racism displayed in the article. You forgive the attitudes that said "what are all these black kids doing here...I'm scared they might do something to my child." You excuse the reactions of white stated in the article - that "When the minority children got in the pool all of the Caucasian children immediately exited the pool." You overlook the club's either poor choice of words or flagrantly racist response that "a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club."

In short, you willfully ignore what IS IN THE ARTICLE, and add your own presumptions about what happened that is NOT IN THE ARTICLE, to frame this situation in a way that suggests the white people's behavior is perfectly fine, and that the black people are clearly responsible for their own exclusion.

That's not just racist, it's ridiculously fucking racist. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.[/QUOTE]

Nice lecture. Let's now talk about why this isn't automatically a hate crime:

http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium. Marshall, his family and two friends were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron.

Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.
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Man, after reading everything IN THAT ARTICLE, I can't understand why this isn't being investigated primarily as a racist, hate crime. It's been written down by someone, so it must be true. If the participants were reversed, you know for a fact that it would be. It must be that subtle racism of our time at work or maybe my mind is filling in too many blanks and misinterpreting this situation incorrectly. I guess that what you get when you allow reverse racism to pervade public principles for to many generations.
 
I've decided to not go to the water park this Friday with my daughter.

I'd like to say it is because of all of those black people in the adult pool preventing me from teaching my daughter to swim, but the white hippos are just as annoying.

I'd like to say it is because of all of those black children in the kids pool preventing me from playing with my daughter in the kid pool, but the chlorine is so jacked up it burns my eye until my next long shower and there is plenty of room to play with my daughter.

Chemical-burned eyes and no mobility for 2-3 hours for $10 doesn't sound like a lot of fun.

I guess I'll just take her to the Falls on the Ohio instead for $2.

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Regarding the original article, camoor is right. You squeeze 200 people into a 100 capacity area and there are going to be some problems.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I'd like to say it is because of all of those black children in the kids pool preventing me from playing with my daughter in the kid pool, but the chlorine is so jacked up it burns my eye until my next long shower and there is plenty of room to play with my daughter.[/QUOTE]

They either jack up the chlorine and it burns your eyes or they run it low and you get that burning feeling somewhere else. :) Your story was funny to me because when I went to the waterpark out here I've never seen so many rednecks and so few teeth. Which is fine until you're furiously scrambling out of the way of five drunk fat guys who decided it would be funny to rush the waterslide tube.

Needless to say that was a one time visit.
 
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[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']They have every right to sue.

If the daycare incurred damages, the pool folk need to pony up the dough.

If they're "traumatized" by racism and want compensation, the daycare needs to get over it.[/QUOTE]

IAWTC

Wright has said the children in her care were "emotionally damaged" by the incident.

"These children are scarred. How can I take those children back there?" she said.
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Hey lady, they are kids who had to vacate a pool due to overcrowding. Happens every day. If you can't handle the situation you shouldn't be a daycare provider. Give them an ice cream and they'll forget about it.
 
"The children's best interests are not being served," lawyer Carolyn Nichols said. "Simple lip service does not amount to change."

I don't think they're talking about damages such as having to pay to find another pool. They're looking for "My feelings got hurt" money.

Give me a break.
 
Ridiculous. What about the children of the board members? I think they will be pretty scarred when their parents lose their income over this. Better countersue.
 
As a result of this lawsuit, do you guys feel that pools will be more likely to experiment with opening their doors to outside communities, or less likely.

My guess is that when a simple miscalculation can land you in a boatload of bad PR and legal damages, you're going to be alot more conservative and alot less likely to open the doors to community outsiders. And that ends up being bad for everyone (well, everyone except the lawyers)
 
[quote name='camoor']As a result of this lawsuit, do you guys feel that pools will be more likely to experiment with opening their doors to outside communities, or less likely.

My guess is that when a simple miscalculation can land you in a boatload of bad PR and legal damages, you're going to be alot more conservative and alot less likely to open the doors to community outsiders. And that ends up being bad for everyone (well, everyone except the lawyers)[/QUOTE]

This is true.

Why take the risk of bad PR and lawsuits when the only reward is helping those who sue you when things don't work out perfectly.

Sometime, things just don't work out. Get over it. It's just a good thing that the Internet wasn't around when true racial discrimination was around instead of the media blowing up some badly used wording by a swim club president.
 
[quote name='camoor']As a result of this lawsuit, do you guys feel that pools will be more likely to experiment with opening their doors to outside communities, or less likely.

My guess is that when a simple miscalculation can land you in a boatload of bad PR and legal damages, you're going to be alot more conservative and alot less likely to open the doors to community outsiders. And that ends up being bad for everyone (well, everyone except the lawyers)[/QUOTE]

Almost true. In reality, to prove a point, more and more black people will start going to this swim club to prove a point. After a situation like this, none of them will be denied anything. (Swim club related)
 
[quote name='lilboo']Almost true. In reality, to prove a point, more and more black people will start going to this swim club to prove a point. After a situation like this, none of them will be denied anything. (Swim club related)[/QUOTE]

No high dive, no peace?
 
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