Piracy

CheapassVigilante learn the English language and learn something about the "law"! Sheesh!

Grammar, spellcheck, a 4th grade reading level, all three are your friends. Better yet, save us the work and go back to gamefaqs and troll.

And yes most of us know "pot" is the slang for Marijuana but I bet your buddies at gamefaqs don't know it yet!


Piracy, a tough subject to debate. All of us have pirated at one time or another, so stop kidding yourselves.

My big problem is the value of music, for example I just bought "The Offspring's" new CD and it was $10 for 12 songs, that's not too bad, but honestly, when some places charge $20 for a cd with 10 songs, screw that!

Artists make more from concerts anyway.
 
[quote name='javeryh']This is not accurate at all. In order to steal something you have to deprive someone of ownership of something tangible. Downloading is still copyright infringement. Copyright holders can control the rights to copying, distribution, public performance, public displaying and the making of derivitave works (I'm paraphrasing). When you download something you are making an unauthorized copy of the file - you are not stealing it.[/QUOTE]

It's all semantics. And semantics are pointless debates.

I define stealing as acquiring something you should have to pay for without paying for it. Being it taking something physically from a store or another person, or acquiring a digital copy of something for free when you should be paying for a legal digital or physical copy.

If you want to get into stupid legal semantics, knock yourself out. They are there, and I'm aware of them. But it doesn't change the fact that the act more resembles stealing. Hopefully it will get legally redefined as theft in the future, and carry more serious punishments so more people will give a shit and stop stealing digital copies of stuff.

Downloading an album you don't own is just as bad as stealing the CD IMO. The end result is the same. You have the album to enjoy and the publisher and artist didn't get any remuneration from you.

People try to differentiate illegal downloading from stealing just so they don't feel as guilty about their illegal and immoral behavior.

[quote name='javeryh']
But it's not stealing. You don't own anything - there's nothing to own when is comes to works of art. You own the rights to it. Huge difference.[/QUOTE]

Just another technicality that needs to change. You can own the CD. You can own the MP3 files. You can own the DVD. You can own the DVD/BR of the game. You own a painting.

There is 100% ownership of these things. Laws need to change to reflect digital ownership, as eventually physical things will become non-existent in the real of entertainment mediums.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I was going to say something about that too. Students photocopy pages out of books all the time. I'm a college bookstore manager and I hear students talking about that all the time.
[/QUOTE]

The policy is you can make a personal copy of stuff in the library for your own use during a course etc. Usually not of text books which the libraries don't carry--but the other books, scholarly journal articles etc.

As an instructor now, I can't give my students copies of stuff like that though. They have to get it on their own. If I make copies and give them out--they're not for my own personal use. I can make copies of articles (or print them from the e-journals) for class prep, my research work etc, but I can't give them to others.

A bit off topic, but that's the "fair use" law as far as copying books in the college library goes. Not sure how public libraries handle it. The few I've been to didn't have copiers available for public use (but maybe many do)--and it's not their responsibility what the person does with the book outside the library I guess.
 
[quote name='kube00']
My big problem is the value of music, for example I just bought "The Offspring's" new CD and it was $10 for 12 songs, that's not too bad, but honestly, when some places charge $20 for a cd with 10 songs, screw that!
[/quote]

Don't shop at stores that charge absurd prices. Pretty much every album can be had for $10-12, which again is a very reasonable price for an album you can enjoy for the rest of your life. Vs. the higher prices we pay for games which we'll play once and never touch again.

Artists make more from concerts anyway.

Irrelevant to the issue of piracy. If you just want to support artists and not pay for CDs then go to concerts and listen to the radio.
 
The bottom line is that nobody cares and there is too little people who is taking advantage of this action. If you want to buy something then do it. It is apart of balancing economy. Unless you think it is big matter then go and start a rally to bring back tape.

Think about it. Analog is hard to copy. Is best viewed on the best players. The only time it is not in it's best is when people copy it unproperly.

The way I see it people have become lazy with maintaining there products and the following quote proves this.

How come when I buy a game from America, it feels as if the quality is lesser for some reason. I mean it is almost like they take better care of there games in terms of storage.

This is the case we have here. A bunch of lazy consumers, who not only over consume but has no intentions of keeping the product in it's prime. This is the most of everybody during the early 1990's at least with games.

Think about it. How many people in here have there tapes stored in protective cases from intruders, weathering, and all sorts of atmospheric things???

How many people still have there original boxes without heavy damage???

DVD along with other media types ( including VCD, blu-ray, HD-DVD ) since the material is too easy to copy. In fact there is three more formats that will not be released untill we turn to dinosaurs, pass away, or something worst like a holocaust, or war.

Tape is the only means to store film, and sound data, along with cartriges for games. Games got it worst since some games use dummy space, and people get ticked off with the region blocking.
 
[quote name='Mpire-R']The bottom line is that nobody cares and there is too little people who is taking advantage of this action. If you want to buy something then do it. It is apart of balancing economy. Unless you think it is big matter then go and start a rally to bring back tape. [/QUOTE]

Take an IQ test. A real one. A psychologist-administered WAIS. Post the results.

My money's on
 
Koggit you have no sane responce now do you?

My IQ is somewhere around 240 and I was "voted most likely to be everybodys boss" when I was in high school.

Go suck a lemon widget!
 
[quote name='Mpire-R']Koggit you have no sane responce now do you?

My IQ is somewhere around 240 and I was "voted most likely to be everybodys boss" when I was in high school.

Go suck a lemon widget![/QUOTE]


I'll pay you $20 to take a WAIS and post the results. Seriously. You don't even have to win the
 
I hope a lot. That kid's hilarious.



On topic: something needs to change in the music industry, because we now have an entire generation of people who are, for the most part, used to getting their music for free. Not very profitable for music companies. They need to adapt or they'll die off.

Trent Reznor is making great steps in the right direction, but he's already a huge name; I don't know how his business plans would accommodate smaller artists.
 
[quote name='lilboo']OFF TOPIC: How many more posts till Mpire-R gets banned?[/quote]

To hell koggit is calling me names first.

because we now have an entire generation of people who are, for the most part, used to getting their music for free. Not very profitable for music companies

Not entirely true. It has to be worth it, and for the most part since early 1990's music files have been smaller then 500KB with mods and mp3 files have been 3MB's. Back then the largest file I got on 56K was a 2GiG file.

Music companies are deamons. If the animation industry is dead in USA then why not the music world too?
 
[quote name='Mpire-R']Not entirely true. It has to be worth it, and for the most part since early 1990's music files have been smaller then 500KB with mods and mp3 files have been 3MB's. Back then the largest file I got on 56K was a 2GiG file. [/quote]

Sweet jesus you dled a 2gb file on 56k? Is that what caused your disorder?
 
[quote name='Mpire-R']To hell koggit is calling me names first.



Not entirely true. It has to be worth it, and for the most part since early 1990's music files have been smaller then 500KB with mods and mp3 files have been 3MB's. Back then the largest file I got on 56K was a 2GiG file.

Music companies are deamons. If the animation industry is dead in USA then why not the music world too?[/quote]

that is where outsourcing comes in. outsourcing is an excellent source of cheap labor and its not unethical (which means wrong) because there are laws that support it. any arguments against this are invalid because they are uninformed (non-knowing).
 
[quote name='cheapassVigilante']that is where outsourcing comes in. outsourcing is an excellent source of cheap labor and its not unethical (which means wrong) because there are laws that support it. any arguments against this are invalid because they are uninformed (non-knowing).[/quote]

Aw man, you fucked up. First rule of fake accounts: don't have a conversation with yourself.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Aw man, you fucked up. First rule of fake accounts: don't have a conversation with yourself.[/quote]

dont believe me? ur job can be outsourced next: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_05/b3969401.htm and according to gov. laws there is nothing unethical or wrong about this. things progress, this is just one of them. and i was responding 2 mpier-r but dont let that bug u that u put urself into a conversation that u werent even apart of.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Aw man, you fucked up. First rule of fake accounts: don't have a conversation with yourself.[/quote]

Actually, he wasn't replying to himself.

It's actually alot more amusing.

It was Pepsiman replying to Regalsin.
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Actually, he wasn't replying to himself.

It's actually alot more amusing.

It was Pepsiman replying to Regalsin.[/quote]
HOLY SHIT!
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']It was Pepsiman replying to Regalsin.[/QUOTE]

no way, that can't be right as the world didn't implode on itself
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Actually, he wasn't replying to himself.

It's actually alot more amusing.

It was Pepsiman replying to Regalsin.[/QUOTE]

Things just got interesting.
 
[quote name='darthbudge']Piracy is not always a detrimental thing to the artists or creators. There have been many times that I have downloaded an album from an Artist, just because it was the new thing, or I thought it looked interesting. If I had to play money for that CD, I never would have listened to them. However, since I did, I may have discovered I like them, this may cause me to buy Band T-shirts, Concert Tickets, I recommend them to my friends, who then may go out and buy the CD, and then they might recommend it to their friends.

Also, if there is work that I truly find outstanding, I do go and buy it.[/quote]


As a DJ (and an artist), I can tell you that the underground is rough. We're always looking for exposure, but we're also scraping money up together (usually money we earned outside of music) to get the next project underway. Right now, we know the main money to be made is on shows and ringtones. I've actually tried to get some of our original material to some "ripping groups" in hopes we'd gain more listeners, and expand our market (to clarify, all material given is done so with express permission from the copyright holder).

Of course, I don't speak on behalf of the industry, just me and other artists I work with that share my view on this. As someone who stands to be paid off royalties, it's hard dealing with the fact that many people who will pay for my product won't be paying me, but that doesn't mean they'll never pay me. Being in it for the long haul, I hope the listeners I get will become fans, and search for my products through any distribution channel that supports me making more music.

That being said, each industry is affected by piracy slightly differently. While artists have shows and ringtones, as well as other income venues, games & movies are different. Movies make money off theatre showings, dvd sales, and merchandising (if applicable). Many people who download or buy pirated movies, view it more like cable television, in which they're paying low prices for some entertainment. The industry should actually seek to employ "bootleggers" to have them simply keep a stock log, and pay a per-disc royalty (which could be low), as well as have a business license and pay taxes. This wouldn't wipe out the retailer market, as they could set restrictions such as single layer copies only, or no HD content, or maybe not offer special features, etc.


If you weren't going to make the purchase, but because it's a much lower cost, you get it. Piracy still isn't free. To me, this says to me the best way to deal with it is find a way to incur a similar cost & means to those who already pirate, to avoid "losing out". In other words, if someone buys bootlegs because they're only $5, you could make that $5 instead of the bootlegger if you offered that person the same product for $5. The industry mostly looses to piracy because they don't attempt to compete with it on it's level, for fear they can't control it.

In the meantime, it's still illegal.

*EDIT* For anyone wondering about my name (gamertag/DJ name), it's pronounced "piracy", but the meaning is "Pyra" is in "pyrotechnics", and the "C" is for the pronounciation of it, making it like the "pyra" is "in motion" (so to speak).
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']Actually, he wasn't replying to himself.

It's actually alot more amusing.

It was Pepsiman replying to Regalsin.[/quote]


Hahaha, that's fucking awesome.
 
I thought I'd jump back into this with a new 'topic' of sort. There are at least a hand full of you that pirate games, correct? Well, I know someone who has pirated every game ever. His Dreamcast, GBA, DS, PSP and 360. Well, he says that because he was able to get games so easily, he doesn't appreciate the games as much. And I agree. I pirated games for the PSP, but never really played the games. However, back when I first got my PSP, I played the hell out of my 4 games that I had at the time. (Before Piracy.) And now, on my 360, I play the hell out of my THP8. So, to those of you who pirate games, do you feel it makes the games 'worth' a bit less?
 
I don't think so, not at all. I don't pirate console games, only DS/PC games, yet I tend to enjoy DS/PC games much more.
 
Well put it this way. If I buy a game for say, a PS3. If at first I don't like it, I'll play it a little more, as I payed $60 for it. I might even start to like it. But, if I download a PSP game and don't like it in the first five minutes, I delete it and download a new one, without giving the old one a chance. But I guess this isn't true for everyone.

(Man I miss my PSP. Not for games, but homebrew. :whistle2:( )
 
I don't continue to play games I don't like, regardless of whether or not I have others to play. At least 90% of the games I own have gotten less than 5 hours of play because I was disappointed in them. I'd say I've only beaten about 5% of them.
 
I buy the majority of my games, and I can see the retail boxes from where I'm sitting.

The Witcher, Hellgate London, Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, Warcraft III, and Unreal Tournament 2004.

I have probably played less than 20 hours total for all of those games, and I payed full original retail price for all of them.

Where as free online games like Gunbound, Maplestory, Freespace 2, and Gunz Online, I have hundreds of hours spent on them.

There are other games that I've bought and loved. Stuff like Starcraft, Oblivion, TF2, have all taken of their fair share of my time. It all depends on how much I like the game, not if its pirated or not.

I can't even think of any games I've pirated atm, because I like PC gaming for the online multiplayer aspect. Pirating a game usually means you have to use some 3rd party support like hamachii to play online with people, and there are fewer people who do this than who use the actual servers, so I may as well pay for the community that comes with the retail copy.
 
Anyone trying to say piracy isn't stealing in the spirit of the meaning (I understand it's technically "IP Infringement") is simply trying to console himself that what he's doing isn't wrong, or not as bad as it could be.

There's really no way around it. :(
 
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