Pirates of the Caribbean 2 Topic (NO NINJAS)

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I'm not sure about your theory, but Swann and Sparrow's relationship towards the end kinda pissed me off. It felt completely tacked-on and out-of-character for both of them. I also felt that there wasn't enough emphasis on Turner and Swann being happily reunited (since this was one of the biggest plot points in the movies). However, this is one of my only complaints.
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I dunno. I just got done watching the first movie and I don't think its all that out of character. The scene when they're stranded on the island is almst like a precursor to what happened in the second movie.
 
Got back a few hours ago from seeing this. I liked it but not more then the first one. I think they could have cut down the 1st hour of stuff into 20 mins or so and that would make the movie an even 2 hours. It didn't need to be 2 and 1/2 hours. A lot of the comedy in the movie was missing. I was in a theater with about 50 people and never heard a laugh. A lot of the comedy was slapstick.

I had a good time and enjoyed the movie. I saw a lot of people checking cell phones and watches around the 1 and 1/2 hour mark. I liked it because it feeds my need for more pirate movies. but its not one of my all time favorite movies like the first one is. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the 3rd one will suck just due to the fact that they filmed it after shooting the 2nd one. So it will have the same feel.


I would say all in all its a 5/10 for me. This movie was made just due to the fact that the first movie did so well, and they're trying to make money of the 1st one. On a positive note it could have sucked like most sequels do, but it didn't so I will give it that.
 
Final Fantasy VII Syndrome: People were so impressed by the precursor, that they are disappointed by anything that comes after it.
 
[quote name='Run4Fun']Final Fantasy VII Syndrome: People were so impressed by the precursor, that they are disappointed by anything that comes after it.[/QUOTE]

.....No. I wasn't "so impressed" by the first one. It was a good summer film, no more, no less, but a damn good summer film at that. This one was another summer film, but an ordinary, generic one with nothing special and a boring ass pacing and plot.

And let's not bring FF7 into this. A lot of people were NOT impressed by that game.
 
Just saw it today and was VERY pleasantly surprised. The humor was a little hit or miss, but I personaly loved the action and plot. I didn't mind the running time, as I like long movies, and I can't wait for the third installment.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight'].....No. I wasn't "so impressed" by the first one. It was a good summer film, no more, no less, but a damn good summer film at that. This one was another summer film, but an ordinary, generic one with nothing special and a boring ass pacing and plot.

And let's not bring FF7 into this. A lot of people were NOT impressed by that game.[/QUOTE]

yeah, like totally, a lot of people were so NOT into that game, i'm too hardcore for the cinemas and it was totally like a ripoff of this anime that i've been into since it started so yeah i'm just too good for FFVII, It just sucks, because i like to buck trends.

How can you request not to bring FF7 into the discussion and then make a snide remark about it? You just brought it into the discussion, congratulations.
 
Went to see it last night. Overall I would give it about a 7. Look we all know it wasn't as good as the first one, but it was good. You have to consider 2 & 3 were written as part 1/2 so of course it wasn't going to be a incredible stand on its own movie. Considering the shit that has been released this year it was great. The last 2 years I been struggling to find movies worth going to see. Really "Little man", who the hell is giving the people money to make movies like this...
 
I saw it last night and its basically the first movie on Steroids. More action, more special effects, more everything.

Those screenwriters must of been drinking a lot of coffee because I felt like they were up all night trying to keep all the plot threads and characters in order. There was a lot of weaving of the storylines but it didn't really amount to much when the film was over. I hope the 3rd film will resolve everything in a neat fashion.

That said, I enjoyed the imagination that went in the film. Davy Jones and his crew are very interesting. So is the Kraken. The film took on a mythological flavor that kinda has a slight Lovecraft feel to it.

The fight scenes were also really interesting and were staged really well although there is one scene that was ripped off from Time Bandits.

What I didnt like about the film was how fast they went through the plot. There were none of the moments of whimsy like in the first movie. The biggest problem I have is you never really know what Jack Sparrow's motivations are.
Why did Sparrow send Will Turner to Davy Jones' ship? Whats the deal with him leaving the Black Pearl when it was attacked. Why was his strange relationship with Kira Kneighty character so bizarre. The deception to his crew about Davy Jones' curse. None of this made sense to me.
Its was never clear to me if he was a good guy or a bad guy; I understand that he was pirate but his behavior was inconsistant. This was a huge problem with the plot.

Im hoping that Pirates 3 doesn't have the same fate as Matrix 3. I'll give this movie a '7' out of 10.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I saw it last night and its basically the first movie on Steroids. More action, more special effects, more everything.

Those screenwriters must of been drinking a lot of coffee because I felt like they were up all night trying to keep all the plot threads and characters in order. There was a lot of weaving of the storylines but it didn't really amount to much when the film was over. I hope the 3rd film will resolve everything in a neat fashion.

That said, I enjoyed the imagination that went in the film. Davy Jones and his crew are very interesting. So is the Kraken. The film took on a mythological flavor that kinda has a slight Lovecraft feel to it.

The fight scenes were also really interesting and were staged really well although there is one scene that was ripped off from Time Bandits.

What I didnt like about the film was how fast they went through the plot. There were none of the moments of whimsy like in the first movie. The biggest problem I have is you never really know what Jack Sparrow's motivations are. Its was never clear to me if he was a good guy or a bad guy. This was a huge problem with the plot.

Im hoping that Pirates 3 doesn't have the same fate as Matrix 3. I'll give this movie a '7' out of 10.[/QUOTE]

I think Jack was trying to get the chest so that he could black mail Davy Jones into lifting his curse (and the Kraken) from Captain Jack. He couldn't just destroy the heart because then there'd be no one left to call off the Kraken. Will wanted the heart so he could kill Davy Jones and thus free his father from his service. The Commodore wanted it cause he was a dick.

I see your new stuff. Although I don't think we need to spoiler tag stuff anymore. Anyway, Jack didn't purposely send Will to the ship on purpose, he was searching the other ship and Davy showed up. Jack was a dick and told him to tell anyone that confronted them that he was there to pay Jack's debt (what a dick!).

He left the Black Pearl when it was attacked because he wanted to get to land as fast as possible so the Kraken couldn't kill him. He left the crew behind to fight off the Kraken.

Like I said earlier in the thread, the whole Jack and Elizabeth thing was kind of hinted at in the first one when they were stranded on that island. JAck has the hots for her (who wouldn't!?!?) and all women are whores so therefore since Will wasn't around she decided to get a little more cozy with Jack.
 
Just got back from it, wanted to weigh in.

First off, immensly enjoyed it. Just a big action movie that I smiled the whole way through. Not as many good lines as the first one, and not as much hilarity, but still very much simply entertaining.

Second, I want to mention Monkey Island. The moment Jack 'n crew met up with, essentially, the VOODOO LADY, I just kept having little alarms go off in my head. Sure, Ron Gilbert can bitch all he wants about how Davy Jones is essentially a rip-off undead Captain LeChuck, but the Voodoo Lady sealed it for me. I'd never really put voodoo in with pirate mythos until Monkey Island, so I was a little surprised to see it here in the level it exists. Curses and things, sure, but outright voodoo? Then a lot of other elements seem borrowed from Monkey Island - LeChuck's "became an evil pirate out of spurned love" schtick seems to be Davy Jones's MO, the cannibals, a goofy main character, etc etc. There's some other things you could compare, but that would be a bit of a stretch.

(And while we're on the subject, WHY THE fuck wouldn't Lucasarts think this would be the PERFECT time to release another Monkey Island? Hell, they could call it Monkey ISland: The Carribbean Adventure or something like that. This is no different from companies putting out lots of medieval lore games following LOTR's success. We have the biggest opening movie ever, which will probably get broken NEXT year. Do you fucking HEAR me, Lucasarts? Get off your ass and put out Monkey Island right now. It will sell, I gaurantee it. fuckers.)

That all said, I like how this film wrapped up what were essentially two questions/gripes about the first one. I won't mention them here for spoiler-reasons, and I'm too lazy to do tags, but I'm talking about the ending from the first and a certain crew member.

Oh, and Davy Jones. GIANT ENEMY CRAB HAND. You know you fucking saw it and thought the same thing.

Finally, I dunno where all the negativity is coming from. When I left the theatre I had the same feeling I had after watching the first - that it was a satisfying movie and my money was well spent. It leads up to a finale AND resolves issues from the first, and basically does a good job of working with what it has. In an age where movies are made simply for cash reasons, it's nice to see that some sequels are made with the intention to further the storyline and give more credit to the universe. Harry Potter comes to mind, as they could have made them only cash-ins at this point, but have chosen not to.

In that regard, I really enjoyed this film. I know some others won't but that's their deal.

I think now I'm going to read through this thread and see what others thought.
 
Let me preface this buy saying that I liked the first movie, but think it is highly over-hyped overrated. Oh, and my obligatory "I see every movie for free so my feelings may be a little skewed."

With all of that said, this was a fun movie. I did look down at my watch a lot and the hokey action and jokes just made me frown, but it was a very fun movie. I loved Davey Jones and his crew, and I swear that during the scene where they are playing dice on the ship, there is a crewman with a dolphins nose/mouth for a wiener. All of the references to the ride made me chuckle and the special effects were very good (but I am biased again because my uncle contributed to those ;)).

I agree that this movie could have been at least fifteen minutes shorter. But man, the ending, I absolutely loved it; plus I don't mind "cliff-hangers."
 
[quote name='Strell']Just got back from it, wanted to weigh in.

First off, immensly enjoyed it. Just a big action movie that I smiled the whole way through. Not as many good lines as the first one, and not as much hilarity, but still very much simply entertaining.

Second, I want to mention Monkey Island. The moment Jack 'n crew met up with, essentially, the VOODOO LADY, I just kept having little alarms go off in my head. Sure, Ron Gilbert can bitch all he wants about how Davy Jones is essentially a rip-off undead Captain LeChuck, but the Voodoo Lady sealed it for me. I'd never really put voodoo in with pirate mythos until Monkey Island, so I was a little surprised to see it here in the level it exists. Curses and things, sure, but outright voodoo? Then a lot of other elements seem borrowed from Monkey Island - LeChuck's "became an evil pirate out of spurned love" schtick seems to be Davy Jones's MO, the cannibals, a goofy main character, etc etc. There's some other things you could compare, but that would be a bit of a stretch.[/quote]
Just came back from seeing it, I also enjoyed it very much, though the only part that really stuck out as major filler was the whole cannibal scene. There were numerous places where they could have ended it and went on with the story, but the whole scene just felt needlessly dragged out.

And it's nice to know that I wasn't the only one who was looking for Monkey Island similarities. Ron Gilbert's comments on Davy Jones were almost an invitation to finding other Monkey Island references. The Voodoo Lady was the slippery slope.
Some other apparent similarities I noticed:
1. Rowing an open coffin - Monkey Island 2 (It's how you get to the Voodoo Lady's place)
2. The parrot sitting outside the island's jungle, giving a hint to the hero - Monkey Island 2 (Near the end, a parrot is perched at the edge of a jungle, and it gives directions to the next place that continues the story)

(And while we're on the subject, WHY THE fuck wouldn't Lucasarts think this would be the PERFECT time to release another Monkey Island? Hell, they could call it Monkey ISland: The Carribbean Adventure or something like that. This is no different from companies putting out lots of medieval lore games following LOTR's success. We have the biggest opening movie ever, which will probably get broken NEXT year. Do you fucking HEAR me, Lucasarts? Get off your ass and put out Monkey Island right now. It will sell, I gaurantee it. fuckers.)
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Meh, unless Ron Gilbert was heading the sequel, I wouldn't want to see it released. Escape From Monkey Island was a disgrace to the series in my book; relying too much on references to past games, creating plot holes in the continuity, using that god-awful Monkey Kombat as a filler mini-game, and using the keyboard/joypad-based LUA system (It worked well for Grim Fandango, but not for Monkey Island).
 
I considered the voodoo lady to be a throwback to the ride, with how it starts going into a Louisiana bayou and going past a voodoo woman's shack. So I dunno, I think there's always been a sorta voodoo aspect to the Disney version of Pirates.

Just got back and I absolutely loved it. Sure, the first one was prolly better overall, but there was just so much I liked in this one. I sorta figured it would be
Barbossa in the end after seeing the monkey playing around someone's feet in voodoo lady's house when she was looking for dirt
but it still was an awesome moment there at the end. Though I'm just not sure I liked the whole Jack-Elizabeth thing. It just felt so.....wrong.
 
I'm just getting around to listening to the soundtrack now. Something inside of me feels for the first set of songs better than Dead Man's Chests'...

I'll write more when I finish up with the CD, but somethings missing.
 
I really want to make a YTMND from the part where Jack Sparrow gets loogied on by the Kraken. It would be called "Aww skeet skeet Jack Sparrow" and would involve the chorus from Lil Jon's musical masterpiece "Get Low" in some manner.
 
I saw it on sunday. Awesomness, I downloaded the soundtrack, and I want to see the movie again.

And Barbosa was awesome.
 
Got back from seeing it tonight, and all I can say is.....ughh...

Saw it with my wife & 2 friends. I have avoided pretty much any info on the movie before seeing it, including reviews/opinions. I went in with a clean slate. IMO, the movie was very disjointed and just felt thrown together. A lot of things didn't make much sense except that they were there to give another set piece or reference something from the ride/first movie. There didn't seem to be as much comedy in this one (or if there was, it wasn't funny) and the movie was just S-L-O-W. I can watch a 2.5 hour movie if it keeps me interested, but this one had me looking at my watch at around the 1.5 hour mark.

It also seemed to be a rehash of the first, with a lot of situations mirroring things in the first one.

When it ended, I looked at my wife & friends expecting them to think I was crazy for not liking it, but it turned out that we all agreed 100%. None of us liked this one at all.

And to the people saying that anyone not liking the movie is doing so just because the movie is "popular", that's just crazy - I don't pay movie ticket prices for movies I expect to dislike. I do appreciate the fact that many people obviously did like it, and that's cool - but it definitely wasn't for me, and I see myself waiting for video for the 3rd one next year.
 
Saw it yesterday. While I liked it better than the first one, this one was basically just action and special effects with bits of story added here and there. I especially liked how the story barely advanced over the 2 1/2 hours and how nothing was resolved at the end. Also, the swordfight towards the end dragged on and on, I just wanted it to end. It was a decent movie though, I wouldnt say it sucks, but I wouldnt say its a masterpiece either or anything special. It was decent, and I would say worth the $5 I spent to see it.
 
Kinda late, but I just watched it today. Way better then the first one IMO. Sure the ending was a cliffhanger, but I didnt mind. Cant wait to see the third film.
 
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