Stolen from Cindaddy on the pre-order thread:
Oh, I guess I just didn't expect anyone to be surprised whatsoever.
yes, i think we all get that it's meant to be derogatory.
it's just juvenile as hell.
I think people are underestimating Microsoft. Yes, it looks bad to us. But we are the hardcorest of the hardcore, not the regular consumer, and definitely not the consumer they are selling the X1 to.
Awesome. I bought a 320gb PS3 and with PS+ the space ran out quickly so I spent about $70 for a 1TB and I still got about 300gb left so upgrading the PS4 HD is a must if you plan on being a long-term PS+ member. I'm really hoping it's not proprietary because if it is we can probably count on them price gouging like they've been doing with the Vita cards. I bought my Vita used for $150 and my 32gb Vita card was $100. 2/3 the price of the system!
Yoshida confirmed that it is the same as PS3.
Yeah, I'm very curious how the public really reacts. Especially the effect and word of mouth when the average joe realizes you can't borrow or rent games.
It's only if you want to play your used games online. Its up to the publishers if they want to enforce some sort of pass, I can live with that and have for a good part of this gen. I can see EA and Ubi taking advantage of that. Also, any news if our headsets and fightsticks are compatible with the ps4? Probably not but I'm still hoping they will be.
I think you need to put your brand loyalty aside and realize that the entire thing is only talking about online passes, something that while we all hate I don't think anyone expected to disappear. It is just reaffirming current DRM models instead of the XBone which is taking DRM to extreme levels. The two aren't even in the same ballpark for comparison.
Look, the PS4 is not as restrictive as the X1. Even if they are outright lying and it's more restrictive than they're admitting, it's still a hell of a lot less restrictive. I preferred the 360 to the ps3 by a longshot but I refuse to support this behavior. Gamers voted with their wallets when the ps3 launched at $600 and they're going to vote now. If we all rushed out and bought up those $600 PS3's then, all the consoles would be $600 at launch now.
I'll keep mine just to vote with my wallet and support them for not going the MS route with uber restrictive DRM and coming in $100 less.
Throwing insults at someone instead of actually having a discussion about something that you brought up and were incorrect about makes you look the same way.
I'm kind of there too. I planned on waiting for a price drop but I do want to show my support of the company that isn't going to screw people over. Also they've got awesome indie game support - that really impressed me. I loved Bastion on 360 and can't wait to see Transistor on ps4 from the same guys.
No BC on PS4 or 360.
As far as I've heard no actual BC but sometime in 2014 they are launching some kind of cloud service for PS3 games.
Dreamland: Sony announces that if you send in the disk of a PS3 game available in the marketplace, you get the digital version for free.
Haha ya that would be a dream scenario. Not gonna happen though.
Probably not. I would assume it will be a pricing model similar to GoD where you pay a price per game but only time will tell.
MS isn't the White Knight of the poor defenseless (giant, rich, behemoth) developers. DRM means more money in their pocket, plain and simple, and the developers who could actually benefit from it, the (actually, non-sarcastically) poor indie devs have been thrown out into the cold anyway.And just remember the no DRM does mean that GameStop continues to rule and rape developers
Not surprising to me. PS4 is already the cream of the crop this gen.
I don't think its fair to compare the Sony or Microsoft from 7-8 years ago. Steve Ballmer is running Microsoft now. Kaz Hirai is running Sony now. The father of the xbox (J Allard) and the father of the playstation (Ken K) both left their respective company. I think Sony has learned from their mistakes and Microsoft forgot what made the xbox 360 so successful (Good price, easy to develop, focus on the core to build a nice foundation, and branch out from there).If you are looking for a white knight in this your are seriously mistaken...MS isn't the White Knight of the poor defenseless (giant, rich, behemoth) developers. DRM means more money in their pocket, plain and simple, and the developers who could actually benefit from it, the (actually, non-sarcastically) poor indie devs have been thrown out into the cold anyway.And just remember the no DRM does mean that GameStop continues to rule and rape developers
Both are greedy and both want money. If you think that Sony's team didn't see this as a huge opportunity to earn back their spot you are mistaken. Yeah they did a good PR spin of making it look like it was all about helping us but it was more a business maneuver than anything.
Remember the last console announcement for them was $600
Definitely some conflicting sounding quotes in just that one story alone. However the quote from Sony PR saying it's just like PS3 leads me to believe that online passes will still be possible and when Scott Rohde says "We've already come right out and said we're not going to allow online pass." he might just be talking about 1st party PS games which they've already said will not have online passes.
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Jim Hejl @jimhejl 1hJim Hejl @jimhejl 1hI think even though third parties are free to do whatever they want, Sony still has the last say on what gets approved on their platform.
