Political correctness in terms of race is bullshit.

gargus

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Being PC and trying to make everyone feel all happy and squishy is a huge pile of bullshit. All it does is seperate us more and further drive the racism wedge between us and it needs to stop. I may lay into specific ethnic groups I dont know (Im making this up as I go) but Im not racist, Im just making points.

Black people, your fucking black and thats that. Same thing for white people, yellow, brown or whatever. I will not call a black person african american, that is not till they call me irish american or in the case of my best friend "irish, german, italian, canadian american". Your fucking black and Im fucking white, scratch that, were not white, black, orange, yellow or whatever were fucking human beings. The problem here is as a whole black people want equal rights and treatment, and that shouldnt be a problem since were all just people regardless of color. But, at the same time black people want to be called african americans, that is something you use to signal yourselves out and have special treatment and that makes you unequal. Its kind of like how black people call eachother nigers all day long and its a term of endearment, but if I called a black guy a niger they would try to kill me. To me there is a difference between being black and being a niger. So get over yourselves already, if you can call eachother nigers then I should be able to. Again it goes back to being truly equal and for us to be equal it all has to be ok or none of its ok. Lets not forget the fact that nationality does not denote race. Because if your african that doesnt make you black, Im sorry but there are awhole lot of fucking white people and indian people in africa also. If your born in africa then your african and doesnt mean your a certain color, if your born in america then your american and doesnt mean your a certain color, germany means your german and so on. So how about we just say man or woman from now on? Your not unique, your not special, your not entitled to anything just because of your skin color. Your the same human flesh and bone as me regardless of nationality.

Speaking of special treatment, affirmative action, black college funds, black entertainment channel or whatever else you dont deserve it. Its reverse racism. If I made a white college fund I would strung up from a tall tree by dawn. Again you want special treatment and things given to you based on your skin color but at the same time are screaming you want to be equal and that my friend isnt fair or equal. And dont give me that shit about black people in the ghetto and having a hard time making it, that percentage of people is very very small in major cities. The rest of the country is full of broke ass mexicans and white people who have just as hard a time. We all deserve a chance and help if needed. A local college actually has admissions admit a minimum of so many blacks, so many women, so many asians and so on and that is fucking horse shit. Hey if a asian woman gets into college over me because she has better grades then thats fine, she won that right but, if a asian woman got in over me because she is a woman and asian then thats fucking racist. So by having laws like that in place then were just being racist to white people.

If we want a racism free society then we need to cut out the shit of fucking doing things like being politically correct because all it does it dice us up into little sections and perpetutate the racism. Im white and there is no reason at all I can do the same things, be just as smart as, talented as or as much of a horrible person as anyone else with a different skin color. Were all human fucking beings, we all have the potential to have good sides and bad sides. Maybe if we acted like people instead of a fucking labeled idea of what we are things might be better and you wouldnt have fucking words like "tollerant" and "politically correct". If I dont tolerate your ass its because either your rude, obnoxious or just a plain fucking idiot and its not because of what you look like.

So pull your fucking heads out of your ass'es and start acting like humans instead of acting white, black or whatever.
 
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I went about halfway and then my eyes started to hurt, sorry brah.
Not everyone wants to be called African-American, some black people think the term is BS themselves. Take it from me, I lived in the hood for awhile.
And if you're born in Africa you're African by way of nationality, but you are not of African ancestry blood-wise. Ask someone born in Africa if their African, then ask them why they didn't change their name from Judy. It's a tough subject. Also, America is one of the few places where race is such a big ass deal. Look at all our major cities, they are systematically designed to keep people seperated. And let's not act like those in power in this country throughout the years have not outright attacked the well being of the black community. If you didn't shoot me in my leg, I wouldn't need surgery, y'know? There is no cure all answer to the racism in this country, so don't get too hung up on it. It's going to be here long after you.
 
[quote name='docvinh']An old article, but still interesting:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/education/edlife/07asian.html?pagewanted=all

I don't know what school you go to where there needs to be a minimum amount of Asians.[/QUOTE]

Yeah an asian guy at work was telling me about how hard it is for his daughter to get in an elite school. Apparently asians never get any breaks, and he was kind of miffed because a friend of his daughter's who is mostly asian got preferential treatment because she was also 1/8 south american. He was like - she's asian, why's she getting a break! I thought it was an interesting and humorous perspective I hadn't heard of before.
 
Yep, my girlfriend is Asian and they do get no breaks. Most places they aren't considered minorities when it comes to affirmiative action type stuff in terms of quotas for scholarships etc.
 
[quote name='gargus'] Its kind of like how black people call eachother nigers all day long and its a term of endearment, but if I called a black guy a niger they would try to kill me.[/QUOTE]

Please try, yes?
 
It's totally unfair gargus. I agree. Please go to South Philly for me and call every black person you see a n!gger. Don't worry if they get offended, just explain it is a term of endearment.

Good night, sweet prince.
 
[quote name='gargus']To me there is a difference between being black and being a niger.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to know this difference, please enlighten us with your opinion.
 
[quote name='IRHari']I'd love to know this difference, please enlighten us with your opinion.[/QUOTE]

I hate to defend his ignorant rant in anyway, but I'm guessing his usage would be like Chris Rock's in his old HBO special.

In short, that it's basically the equivalent of white trash and aimed at the welfare class, criminals etc.
 
Yeah I saw that special too, pretty funny. I'm going to see Aziz Ansari.

Hasn't it been generally accepted that you can make fun of 'your people' without criticism? When other groups make fun of your people its wrong? Russell Peters, Chris Rock, Jon Stewart, etc.
 
[quote name='Clak']Sup my nigerian?[/QUOTE]

Post of the month, atleast.

When other groups make fun of your people its wrong? Russell Peters, Chris Rock, Jon Stewart, etc.
There's numerous comics who's acts incorporate race and still garner praise from all circles. Paul Mooney and Bobby Slayton off the top of my head, but there's more out there. They were both recently on Green Room With Paul Provenza, if you can catch the episode it was pretty good stuff. Also, Ron Jeremy was there wearing a Postal III shirt, random cameo.
 
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[quote name='IRHari']Yeah I saw that special too, pretty funny. I'm going to see Aziz Ansari.

Hasn't it been generally accepted that you can make fun of 'your people' without criticism? When other groups make fun of your people its wrong? Russell Peters, Chris Rock, Jon Stewart, etc.[/QUOTE]

Of course. Lewis Black does jokes about Jews, Chris Rock jokes about black people, Bill Hicks used to rant about rednecks, George Carlin used to make fun of white people. Personally I don't care if a black comic makes jokes about white people, because it's usually at least partially true. But there is just something about white people making fun of black people that enver seems to jive right, usually it comes off as being mean spirited.
 
I know whatcha mean Clak ^
But this usually applies to people I personally know, as they can be of the ignorant variety. Their jokes are just lame-ass and bullshit. But I have seen several white comics (Viewed with black people, mind you) that had the entire living room, and the venue they were at laughing their asses off. You just have to not be full of shit I guess. I'm more uncomfortable when a white comic adapts an accent he isn't really used to and body language he wouldn't normally use because he's afraid of the amphitheater of black people he's playing to.
 
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If Mykevermin came in here with one of his grand justifications for PC speeches, that graphic would definitely be me.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Hasn't it been generally accepted that you can make fun of 'your people' without criticism? When other groups make fun of your people its wrong? Russell Peters, Chris Rock, Jon Stewart, etc.[/QUOTE]

No. Russell Peters jokes about everyone. Pretty funny too.
 
To get on topic I guess.... I never really get the anti-PC people. Sure PC can go too far in extreme cases, but at the end of the day, it usually just boils down to respecting people different from you and not feeling a need to insult them, make jokes about them etc.
 
[quote name='IRHari']I'd love to know this difference, please enlighten us with your opinion.[/QUOTE]

have you heard the song "one in a million" by G&R?

The revered poet, W. Axel Rose tried to explain the difference and caused quite a stir at the time.
 
My favorite was when some newspaper referred to a British guy as "African-American" instead of "black" or some other monicker ("African-Brit"?).
 
Yeah there are some comics that make fun of other racial groups and it didn't cause a stir.

But I don't know if Russell Peters could do Chris Rock's black people/n1ger skit and get away with it.
 
OP almost make my eyes bleed. It appears that he's arguing both for and against tolerance. That's an interesting position. "I want everyone to be tolerant of differences, while pretending that differences don't exist."

It's kind of like burying your head in the sand to pretend that the sun never goes down. You get your point across, but not without waving your ass at everyone.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Yeah there are some comics that make fun of other racial groups and it didn't cause a stir.

But I don't know if Russell Peters could do Chris Rock's black people/n1ger skit and get away with it.[/QUOTE]

To be honest it's not really Russell Peter's style. And I can't think of many people period who could get away with what Chris Rock says.
 
[quote name='camoor']To be honest it's not really Russell Peter's style. And I can't think of many people period who could get away with what Chris Rock says.[/QUOTE]

Glenn Beck maybe?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']To get on topic I guess.... I never really get the anti-PC people. Sure PC can go too far in extreme cases, but at the end of the day, it usually just boils down to respecting people different from you and not feeling a need to insult them, make jokes about them etc.[/QUOTE]

PC often has to do with justifying double standards. At least, that's my read of the OP.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yep, my girlfriend is Asian and they do get no breaks. Most places they aren't considered minorities when it comes to affirmiative action type stuff in terms of quotas for scholarships etc.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't help when they're quiet about it. There's a reason why I called Asian's the "Silent Minority". They never almost never speak up about things. Heck even when that idiotic Tsunami joke came from that radio station and they protested no one at the radio station said they fired them. Also they didn't committ to firing a person.
Asian people need to step up much more and have their voices be heard. Hollywood needs some of the greatest brunt of this as well as their parents since they help Hollywood perpetuate the Asian stereotypical roles given what they usually push the kids into.
 
They came down on Sarah Silverman after she said (paraphrasing) 'I didn't want to sound racist and say 'I HATE CHINKS', so I said something nice and I said 'I LOV CHINKS!'
 
OP is a drive-by nonsensical ranter. Not being able to call black people $$$$ers without them getting angry is a great injustice. fucking reverse racism!
 
[quote name='Sarang01']It doesn't help when they're quiet about it. There's a reason why I called Asian's the "Silent Minority". They never almost never speak up about things. Heck even when that idiotic Tsunami joke came from that radio station and they protested no one at the radio station said they fired them. Also they didn't committ to firing a person.
Asian people need to step up much more and have their voices be heard. Hollywood needs some of the greatest brunt of this as well as their parents since they help Hollywood perpetuate the Asian stereotypical roles given what they usually push the kids into.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying you don't have a point somewhere under there, but is this the best example you can come up with? Is it really necessary for people to act indignant every time some idiot says something... idiotic? Frankly I think it's a smart move to pass on low-hanging fruit like this, most people recognize a fool when they see one and when you argue with a fool you get dragged down to their level.

Also you're worried about sterotypes in Hollywood being confirmed by real-world behavior of asian parents and their progeny? That's some backwards logic right there :lol:
 
There is no other group in America that has more reason to complain and bitch than the American Indian. Yet they don't have their own cable channel. They don't have massive lobby groups. They don't have a month dedicated to them or a national holiday.

We can argue all day on why exactly it is that we don't hear more from the Indians as far as complaining, but the bottom line everyone should remember when listening to people cry and whine on talking head shows - there is no race of people in our nations history that even came close to the suffering experienced by the Indians.
 
That's interesting thrust, and true enough that they obviously suffered horrendously, but what exactly is your point?
 
[quote name='SpazX']That's interesting thrust, and true enough that they obviously suffered horrendously, but what exactly is your point?[/QUOTE]

do you really want him to state it?
 
I guess I didn't feel the need to outline a point. But if there is one it's just that a lot of people have suffered. A lot of bad shit has gone down. It's a choice that people make if they want to play the victim and/or use their races past as a tool of manipulation. Race games are big money and big power right now in todays political climate. I bring up the Indians because they, above all the other races, have the most reason to do so and don't.

The ultimate point, I think I always try to make - is that people need to get over the past. Ancestral worship and obsession with the past (past well beyond our lifetimes) has always been the major cause of conflict in human history. The inability to just forgive or get over things that we had no part in holds us back more than almost anything else. And more dangerously, those in our schools and politics that continue to remind us of the past along with keeping the fires of dissent, hate, and bitterness burning are the ultimate enemies of this nation as far as I see it.

I sort of thought that point was obvious before, but there it is spelled out :).
 
I don't see how ignoring racial inequities will solve racial inequities, please explain. You're right that the Native Americans haven't had the same cultural impact as far as recognition (though the same laws affect them as do black people or other minorities). Has that lesser impact benefited them?
 
Racial inequalities, when it's all said and done, boil down to feelings. Feelings are always a choice.

I'm not saying ignore anything. I am saying we need a grass roots effort to stop identifying ourselves with what our great grandfathers did, thought, said, or suffered through. Identity doesn't come from that. Nobody's does. To try and make it so is the cause of racial inequality.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I thought higher test scores enforced the Asian stereotype.[/QUOTE]

I love how everybody ignored this.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Racial inequalities, when it's all said and done, boil down to feelings. Feelings are always a choice.[/QUOTE]

Actions are a choice. It's a choice to create a society that accepts or rejects racial inequality.

[quote name='thrustbucket']I'm not saying ignore anything. I am saying we need a grass roots effort to stop identifying ourselves with what our great grandfathers did, thought, said, or suffered through. Identity doesn't come from that. Nobody's does. To try and make it so is the cause of racial inequality.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Native Americans refused to subordinate themselves to colonists and immigrant Americans, to give up everything and assimilate to a more powerful entity. For this they were eliminated. Hence, they should have just gotten rid of all of that shit and just accepted their domination right? It was all their fault.

Identifying yourself as one thing or another doesn't cause racial inequality, rejecting other people for their identification (either created by you or them) does.


EDIT: Not to mention gender inequality. Surely if women didn't identify themselves as women and men as men there wouldn't be any gender discrimination.
 
Well screw it. Lets have the next bailout package for reparations then. That will fix everything. We'll have to do it every generation from now on though, just to be fair.....
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Well screw it. Lets have the next bailout package for reparations then. That will fix everything. We'll have to do it every generation from now on though, just to be fair.....[/QUOTE]

So is that it then? Do you believe that self-identification is the cause of racial inequality and hence everything would be better if people just had no identification (or perhaps identified exactly the same), or is it just that you don't want to spend money on anything to do with racial inequality?
 
I think we've more or less ended the institutional racism in the US, but individual bigotry will never die because it's just so god damn fun!
 
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