Political correctness in terms of race is bullshit.

[quote name='SpazX']Yes, Native Americans refused to subordinate themselves to colonists and immigrant Americans, to give up everything and assimilate to a more powerful entity. For this they were eliminated. Hence, they should have just gotten rid of all of that shit and just accepted their domination right? It was all their fault.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about? I believe Thrust is saying that people should stop acting like their great-grandparents did when it comes to race, and he's right. Like Chris Rock said, it's not so much that we've made progress, it's that white people are acting less crazy.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']evidence?[/QUOTE]

Some dude named Barack Obama would probably be my first notion. Michael Steele is a close second.

A colored fountain now just means it's painted blue and not an exclusionary reference.

(Public) Schools are no long segregated.

Most important of all though? There's some black dudes in the NHL!
 
'progress' ≠ the 'end' of institutional racism. A house is not finished when only the concrete foundation is poured.

Plus, you're pointing to individual persons as evidence of the lack of institutional patterns. That's not an apt comparison at all. There's plenty of institutional racism in our society currently, and that it's more subtle and able to present itself as non-racist (due in part to the social stigma attached to overtly racist acts) makes it more dangerous - because people can psychologically convince themselves it is not, in fact, racism.
 
[quote name='camoor']What are you talking about? I believe Thrust is saying that people should stop acting like their great-grandparents did when it comes to race, and he's right. Like Chris Rock said, it's not so much that we've made progress, it's that white people are acting less crazy.[/QUOTE]

He didn't say identify how our grandfathers did, but with our grandfathers. I read that as saying you shouldn't identify yourself by your ethnic past or traditions.
 
why assume I can read?

besides, I pointed out two people and made a couple of jokes. To lay claim that institutional racism is alive and well is quite absurd. People no longer own people based on flesh tone in the US. People are no longer denied service in restaurants strictly based on color, now it's usually hygene... You don't see signs that say "No Blacks" or anything to that effect anymore. The #1 golfer in the world is half black and our welathiest atheletes are predominantly black (in your face Commissioner Landis). Interracial marriage, whils still somewhat taboo, isn't illegal. New Orleans is a chocolate city. Anybody with money and/or decent credit can buy a house. Everyone has equal access to public education. The list goes on and on.

Is everything truly equal? Nope, nor will it ever be. Mainly because some idiot will do something stupid and then play the race card afterwards. Meanwhile, even after a conviction in the case of a white cop "accidently" shooting a black suspect/victim, there are riots in Oakland because poor black people are stupid and blame "the system" for their lack of ability to get ahead in life instead of their own irresponsibility.

Painting with a large brush here and all, but if you're going to make the bold claim that racism is alive and well, then I'm certainly allowed to make a bold claim as well. At least we can both be wrong on about 4/5ths of our individual claims.
 
[quote name='camoor']I'm not saying you don't have a point somewhere under there, but is this the best example you can come up with? Is it really necessary for people to act indignant every time some idiot says something... idiotic? Frankly I think it's a smart move to pass on low-hanging fruit like this, most people recognize a fool when they see one and when you argue with a fool you get dragged down to their level.

Also you're worried about sterotypes in Hollywood being confirmed by real-world behavior of asian parents and their progeny? That's some backwards logic right there :lol:[/QUOTE]

What I meant was that most of these parents tend to push their kids into careers like doctors and possibly scientists. The point is that I never hear of Asian parents supporting their kids in the arts, painting, acting, etc. for the most part. The only thing I might speculate is piano or music COULD happen.
I mean in America for these parents NOT in Japan, Korea or anywhere in Asia comparatively.
 
[quote name='nasum']Meanwhile, even after a conviction in the case of a white cop "accidently" shooting a black suspect/victim, there are riots in Oakland because poor black people are stupid and blame "the system" for their lack of ability to get ahead in life instead of their own irresponsibility.[/QUOTE]

holy shit :lol:
 
[quote name='Sarang01']What I meant was that most of these parents tend to push their kids into careers like doctors and possibly scientists. The point is that I never hear of Asian parents supporting their kids in the arts, painting, acting, etc. for the most part. The only thing I might speculate is piano or music COULD happen.
I mean in America for these parents NOT in Japan, Korea or anywhere in Asia comparatively.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to file this under "non-issue"
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Quote:
Originally Posted by nasum
Meanwhile, even after a conviction in the case of a white cop "accidently" shooting a black suspect/victim, there are riots in Oakland because poor black people are stupid and blame "the system" for their lack of ability to get ahead in life instead of their own irresponsibility.
holy shit :lol:[/QUOTE]
holy shit :)
 
[quote name='nasum']Painting with a large brush here and all, but if you're going to make the bold claim that racism is alive and well, then I'm certainly allowed to make a bold claim as well. At least we can both be wrong on about 4/5ths of our individual claims.[/QUOTE]

Except the scientific literatures on the continuation of macro-level patterns of discrimination in health care, in economics, in housing, in employment, in promotion of those who are employed, in experiences with the police, among *many* other fields, consistently show that institutional racism is more than alive and well; it is thriving.

Racism is like ultraviolet rays; you witness neither, yet the tools scientists have available demonstrate that both exist. I imagine that you do not doubt the existence of UV rays, however you doubt that racism exists because you don't witness it firsthand.
 
myke, I don't think he's denying that racism exists. In fact, he's a great example of a modern day racist.

I think he's arguing that institutional racism (idk how he defines it) is no longer there. Which I find hard to believe.
 
[quote name='IRHari']myke, I don't think he's denying that racism exists. In fact, he's a great example of a modern day racist.

I think he's arguing that institutional racism (idk how he defines it) is no longer there. Which I find hard to believe.[/QUOTE]

Myke's post talked about macro-level patterns in discrimination. AKA institutional racism. :D
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Except the scientific literatures on the continuation of macro-level patterns of discrimination in health care, in economics, in housing, in employment, in promotion of those who are employed, in experiences with the police, among *many* other fields, consistently show that institutional racism is more than alive and well; it is thriving.

Racism is like ultraviolet rays; you witness neither, yet the tools scientists have available demonstrate that both exist. I imagine that you do not doubt the existence of UV rays, however you doubt that racism exists because you don't witness it firsthand.[/QUOTE]

I would be interested in the literature that shows that minorities are denied healthcare and housing because of the color of their skin.
 
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