President Bush Issued Secret 2002 Memo Authorizing the NSA to Spy on U.S. Cizitens

It's just another impeachable offense that will go nowhere, like the Downing Street Memos, Katrina indifference, CIA leak, Abu Ghraib, torture, secret prisons, etc., etc.,

Now if it was a blowjob, then we'd see some hearings.
 
Wow, the Dubya-lovin' MSM has this as a top story on MSNBC.com right now. I hope this spells trouble for the Patriot Act.
 
During the Civil War, Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus was essentially tearing up the constitution to save the constitution, and was justified that were they to hold up the constitution in this case, it may have been no more should the southern rebels have won. Many people justify Lincoln's act because it maintained the union.

I'm curious when Bush is going to tear up the constitution to pre-emptively stymie (what he would consider) a clear and present domestic danger to "save" the constitution.

Or, maybe the next time the new plumbers break into the DNC HQ, it will be totally legal.
 
[quote name='onikage']It'll be interesting to see how they weasel and spin their way out of this one.[/QUOTE]
It, like many things they did, may just be forgotten in liu of other more "pressing" news.
 
I think the words "Clinton" and "blowjob" will provide a smokescreen from which they can scamper away like Ninjas.

Truth be told, the more that comes out about this administration's doings, the worse things get for them. Nobody can justify the things that the Bush administration has done over the past five years, unless they want to admit that they don't mind living in a fascist state.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Nobody can justify the things that the Bush administration has done over the past five years, unless they want to admit that they don't mind living in a fascist state.[/QUOTE]
That reminds me to change my sig.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Yawn.

Don't you know that there's "NO SUCH AGENCY"?[/QUOTE]

You claim to be a Libertarian, but yawn when our current president authorizes domestic wiretaps run by the NSA on American citizens?

You should be up in arms about this president! He still isn't defending this nation from illegal immigration, he pushes and authorizes increases in federal law enforcement power to monitor even the material we choose to read, creating roving wiretaps, violations of human rights, secret prisons, American citizens held as "enemy combatants" without trial, representation, or due process, suppression of demonstations in "free speech zones", failure to address national disasters, acceptance of failure from his advisers and failure to plan the Iraq conflict from the start.

This board skews almost frighteningly liberal, but you were the last person I expected to follow the party line.

You are a sorry example of a Libertarian.
 
[quote name='Quillion']He still isn't defending this nation from illegal immigration, he pushes and authorizes increases in federal law enforcement power to monitor even the material we choose to read, creating roving wiretaps, violations of human rights, secret prisons, American citizens held as "enemy combatants" without trial, representation, or due process, suppression of demonstations in "free speech zones", failure to address national disasters, acceptance of failure from his advisers and failure to plan the Iraq conflict from the start.[/QUOTE]
You say that about the Republicans in charge now, and yet somehow liberals are frightening?!?!
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']You say that about the Republicans in charge now, and yet somehow liberals are frightening?!?![/QUOTE]

You took my frightening statement out of context. I said that this board skews frighteningly liberal, almost strong enough that conservative viewpoints are suppressed. I didn't say I was frightened by liberals. They do need to get their collective heads out of their asses and get a message though.

This president is frightening.
 
I remember back when the Patriot Act was passed into law: there were a number of people (myself included) who saw it as a very frightening move towards a secretive police state. We were dismissed as paranoid kooks. Well, welcome to my paranoid fantasy world, biyotch.
 
[quote name='Drocket']I remember back when the Patriot Act was passed into law: there were a number of people (myself included) who saw it as a very frightening move towards a secretive police state. We were dismissed as paranoid kooks. Well, welcome to my paranoid fantasy world, biyotch.[/QUOTE]

Some fantasy world. Where's my flying car?
 
[quote name='Drocket']I remember back when the Patriot Act was passed into law: there were a number of people (myself included) who saw it as a very frightening move towards a secretive police state. We were dismissed as paranoid kooks. Well, welcome to my paranoid fantasy world, biyotch.[/QUOTE]

Frightening yes. But when someone suggests that its a step toward fascism or a police state, then I still think they're paranoid kooks. No less kookier than the ones who say gay marriage is the first step to the legalization of incest, bestiality, pedophilia etc. Sure this would be a step if that were to occur, but they are equally weak slippery slope arguments.

Right wingers have their moral decay and armageddon, left wingers have their fascist police state.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Frightening yes. But when someone suggests that its a step toward fascism or a police state, then I still think they're paranoid kooks. No less kookier than the ones who say gay marriage is the first step to the legalization of incest, bestiality, pedophilia etc. Sure this would be a step if that were to occur, but they are equally weak slippery slope arguments.

Right wingers have their moral decay and armageddon, left wingers have their fascist police state.[/QUOTE]

Only difference is that there are histories of fascist and police state states that more or less started this way.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Only difference is that there are histories of fascist and police state states that more or less started this way.[/QUOTE]

Well,I think that would require a bit more popularity, at least among his own party. Instead they've attacked multiple positions he's taken on bills as of late, the most recent being the anti torture one/

But many democratic states have done that and have not ended up like that. Hell look at our own history, we have mass internments, alien and sedition act, the red scare (first one), mccarthyism etc and years later we are still looking for what will signal the police state. There are some points in our past were it was a somewhat reasonable argument, I don't find this to be one of those points.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Well,I think that would require a bit more popularity, at least among his own party. Instead they've attacked multiple positions he's taken on bills as of late, the most recent being the anti torture one/

But many democratic states have done that and have not ended up like that. Hell look at our own history, we have mass internments, alien and sedition act, the red scare (first one), mccarthyism etc and years later we are still looking for what will signal the police state. There are some points in our past were it was a somewhat reasonable argument, I don't find this to be one of those points.[/QUOTE]

Well stated. I agree that while parts of the Patriot Act are very troubling, it's not really going to lead to a police state.
 
[quote name='Metal Boss']I think it's pretty pathetic that they are spending tax dollars to spy on peace protesters.[/QUOTE]

I would think it is to, fortunately this has absolutely nothing to do with protestors:

The aim of the program was to rapidly monitor the phone calls and other communications of people in the United States believed to have contact with suspected associates of al Qaeda and other terrorist groups overseas, according to two former senior administration officials.
Click to expand...
 
I just watched a news segment about how they wire tapped several peace group members phones, i'd find a news article but i'm feeling lazy.
 
[quote name='Metal Boss']I just watched a news segment about how they wire tapped several peace group members phones, i'd find a news article but i'm feeling lazy.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but they criticized Bush, so they're CLEARLY al Qaeda sympathizers at the very least, and quite possibly actual al Qaeda members attempting to take down the US by encouraging people to use their Constitutional right to dissent.

There's not a doubt in my mind that Bush would LOVE to create a police state in the US. We're mostly saved by 2 simple facts: he's a lazy ass who quits everything as soon as it gets hard, and he's completely incompetent. If he hadn't killed most of his brain cells snorting coke and had any actual drive to succeed, we might be in serious trouble (well, we ARE in serious trouble - he's pretty much bankrupt our country, destroyed our international credibility, and created a whole new generation of terrorism. Those are a seperate issue, though.)
 
[quote name='Metal Boss']I just watched a news segment about how they wire tapped several peace group members phones, i'd find a news article but i'm feeling lazy.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't be a shocker; this is the government we're talking about here. These things have a "way" of happening.
 
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