PS1 or PS2 RPG recommendations?

[quote name='MSI Magus']Alundra is a great game but again wouldnt call it an RPG since its the exact same as Zelda.[/quote]

Good call, it's been over 10 years since I've played them so I forgot if the series was of the Zelda or Mana type.
 
Suikoden 1,2,3,4,5,and Tactics
Chrono Trigger
Xenogears
Xenosaga 1,2,and 3
Chrono Cross
Parasite Eve and Parasite Eve 2
 
[quote name='Nephlabobo']Avoid Legend of Legaia and Legend of Dragoon. They're awful.[/quote]

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate but what is so awful about them? They didn't do anything that all the other PS1 RPGs didn't do. So because they're a bit contrived, that makes them awful?

Dragoon is over rated but has some of the best graphics for any RPG on the PS1. The last boss literally took over an hour to beat and left me with that sweaty just had some sex feeling. Like I said, not the best game, but not really a bad deal for $5.

Legaia is a by the numbers JRPG but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Decent story, good combat make it better than alot of other RPGs out there.

Neither one has aged well but most PS1 games didn't. Has anyone tried to play MGS on a big screen lately? Ugly. But no one wants to mention that it might be dated because it's Metal Gear. God forbid someone like something that's not a AAA super duper awesome game from the accepted CAG list of super duper AAA games.
 
I constantly tell people to play Twin Snakes instead, as MGS has aged terribly.

Legaia had a cool battle system but nothing else really, Dragoon can't even hold up against other PS1 RPGs such as Final Fantasy VIII, IX, Chrono Cross or Breath of Fire IV.

That said, I can't really recommend many PS1 RPGs anymore, as they have not aged as well as their SNES and PS2 counterparts.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I constantly tell people to play Twin Snakes instead, as MGS has aged terribly.

Legaia had a cool battle system but nothing else really, Dragoon can't even hold up against other PS1 RPGs such as Final Fantasy VIII, IX, Chrono Cross or Breath of Fire IV.

That said, I can't really recommend many PS1 RPGs anymore, as they have not aged as well as their SNES and PS2 counterparts.[/QUOTE]

Disagree. Besides a great battle system its magic system was amazing and full of depth(especially for the time). The story wasnt bad and there were TONS of side quests that actually rewarded you well. It was an above average title. And it doesnt help that you name games with problems. IX was great but VIII had some serious story problems and the charcters received no charcter development at all. Then there was the fact that most people seem to hate its magic system(I wouldnt say its bad....but most people do hate it). BoF IV had a meh story that went nowhere and again no charcter development. You have defended it in the past and admitted that much but said gameplay is more important....but you just put Legaia down which you admit had good gameplay. Again it seems like your just taking waht you preffer and automatically calling it better. I am not even going to get into CC...its plot and charcter development speak loudly enough. If that game didnt have the Chrono name it would have received very average reviews.
 
You are countering my opinions with your own once again.

Also I stated that Legaia didn't offer much of anything aside from fun battles, not that it was a bad game. Gameplay is beyond just battling, as I have stated before. Dragoon sucked when it came out and it still does.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']You are countering my opinions with your own once again.

Also I stated that Legaia didn't offer much of anything aside from fun battles, not that it was a bad game. Gameplay is beyond just battling, as I have stated before. Dragoon sucked when it came out and it still does.[/QUOTE]

Again....you state things in fact till your questioned on it then you like to call it opinion. You flat out stated that all one game has is gameplay so its bad.....but that BoF IV is better then III even though out of your own mouth(and stated like a fact you agree on)stated all it has over it is gameplay and that its other elements were weak. Again you agree when its convenient to your views.
 
[quote name='depascal22']All right. All right. Are there any other games that haven't been mentioned yet?[/QUOTE]

Plenty. We can sit here most of the rest of the night probally naming stuff. For instance the game im playing currently Rogue Galaxy is another good name. You can find it for about $10-$15 now and its a very good game. It has pretty solid Action RPG gameplay ala Dark Cloud 2, decent story(so far where im at)and if you like side quests then your going to find yourself investing 100s of hours.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Again....you state things in fact till your questioned on it then you like to call it opinion. You flat out stated that all one game has is gameplay so its bad.....but that BoF IV is better then III even though out of your own mouth(and stated like a fact you agree on)stated all it has over it is gameplay and that its other elements were weak. Again you agree when its convenient to your views.[/quote]

When did I call Legaia bad? BoF IV, is better than III because it improves on almost every key aspect (graphics, control, battle system, etc.).

Obviously my statements are opinions, you are just really delusional in thinking that your arguments are based on facts.

Unmentioned games? I didn't see anyone call out Xenogears for being a mess. The platforming segments are awful and the second disc is a waste of time. The combo system is kind of weak since everyone has the same basic moves. That said I own it and enjoyed the story and characters, as well as the boss fights.

OP might like the Lunar games but I really didn't enjoy them at all.
 
[quote name='depascal22']All right. All right. Are there any other games that haven't been mentioned yet?[/quote]

Yeah

Tsugunai - Atonement.

Jade Cocoon and Jade Cocoon 2.

Which I liked.

Certainly better than that piece of crap Legaia.
 
[quote name='Nephlabobo']Yeah

Tsugunai - Atonement.

Jade Cocoon and Jade Cocoon 2.

Which I liked.

Certainly better than that piece of crap Legaia.[/quote]

I remember liking Jade Cocoon and Legaia when I rented them, but like I said I don't think Legaia withstood the test of time at all.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I constantly tell people to play Twin Snakes instead, as MGS has aged terribly.[/quote]

I abhor the Twin Snakes. Different strokes for different folks. I don't understand why Kojima decided to change the voices (they felt less genuine in TS) and play out the cutscenes in a ridiculous manner (a la director of Versus). It just ended up disgusting me.

In my opinion, Solid Snake should never kick a missile out of the air. Ever. That belongs in Devil May Cry (which I adore), not Metal Gear Solid. When doing this remake, it's like Kojima lost all sense of context. Tacking on things for the sake of tacking them on ruin the experience... especially when they're dumb things that don't fit in.
 
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[quote name='Nephlabobo']Yeah

Tsugunai - Atonement.

Jade Cocoon and Jade Cocoon 2.

Which I liked.

Certainly better than that piece of crap Legaia.[/quote]

You don't let things go do you? You might not like Legaia and Willard's even mentioned that it hasn't aged well. On the other hand, I'm not the only person in the thread that recommended it. If you're so against it, why don't you go make a Legaia bashing thread? Let everyone know how much you hate Legaia.
 
While I don't think we should discourage the OP from trying all of the games mentioned, I think it's a good idea to warn him which games do not play as well today.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']While I don't think we should discourage the OP from trying all of the games mentioned, I think it's a good idea to warn him which games do not play as well today.[/QUOTE]

Not if it comes from a biased place where games shouldnt be held to the same standards just beacuse you like them ;)

Also anyone play Grim Grimoire and Magna Carta?
 
Please, when you tell the OP a game is good you're still coming from a bias. Stop derailing the thread every two posts by telling people they are biased. You are even worse than people with opinions because you talk down to anyone who conflicts with you.

Grim Grimoire is simple, fun RTS that is not as easy to play as a PC game but is still functional. It has the awesome graphical style of Odin Sphere to boot, its plot is a silly ripoff of Harry Potter.

Magna Carta I haven't played but from what I've read it seems like it's a waste of time with NIS strategy games readily availible on PS2.
 
I got Magna Carta because I love Hyung Tae Kim's art. Unfortunately, it doesn't translate quite as well into the game. The battle system IS unique and interesting though. If you can get it for cheap, it's worth a try.
 
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[quote name='willardhaven']Please, when you tell the OP a game is good you're still coming from a bias. Stop derailing the thread every two posts by telling people they are biased. You are even worse than people with opinions because you talk down to anyone who conflicts with you.

Grim Grimoire is simple, fun RTS that is not as easy to play as a PC game but is still functional. It has the awesome graphical style of Odin Sphere to boot, its plot is a silly ripoff of Harry Potter.

Magna Carta I haven't played but from what I've read it seems like it's a waste of time with NIS strategy games readily availible on PS2.[/QUOTE]

Say what you want, but it has nothing to do with disagreeing with me and more to do with you flip flopping and constantly stating things in a factual manor.

On Magna Carta.....after mentioning it my neighbor came over and apparently he has the game. Just borrowed it....not more then an hour in but definitely not impressed so far. The art makes the men look like woman more so then most games, the voice acting is among the worst iv ever heard....battle system I want to see more of.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Say what you want, but it has nothing to do with disagreeing with me and more to do with you flip flopping and constantly stating things in a factual manor.

On Magna Carta.....after mentioning it my neighbor came over and apparently he has the game. Just borrowed it....not more then an hour in but definitely not impressed so far. The art makes the men look like woman more so then most games, the voice acting is among the worst iv ever heard....battle system I want to see more of.[/quote]


You just derive your own meaning out of what I say. It's really tiring to see you constantly quoting and contradicting everyone without any real argument. You complain about me (and others) speaking as though our opinions are factual, but you claim your opinions to be "fact-based" outright. You contradict yourself when you complain about people who think their opinions are more important than others while being one yourself.

As far as Magna Carta, Yoshitaka Amano, Kosuke Fujishimam and Takehito Harada all draw very effeminate-looking male characters. In JRPG's you are most likely going to see girly men, it's a given.
 
[quote name='GuardianE']At least the pretty men are generally supplemented by prettier women. :p[/QUOTE]

I would be fine with that if I could actually tell who was freaking who. I thought that the rookie member of the team was a girl till I heard him speak! Same with the main character!
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']I would be fine with that if I could actually tell who was freaking who. I thought that the rookie member of the team was a girl till I heard him speak! Same with the main character![/quote]

Here's a hint. The women that Hyung Tae Kim draws all have enormous breasts.
 
[quote name='GuardianE']At least the pretty men are generally supplemented by prettier women. :p[/quote]

Funny thing about the Tales designer is that his women are more masculine than his men.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']Funny thing about the Tales designer is that his women are more masculine than his men.[/quote]


Generally ;)

I haven't popped in Tales of the Abyss yet. I guess I'll soon find out.
 
[quote name='tehweezner']FFXII and DQVIII are must plays on PS2[/quote]

i found dragonquest viii hard to get myself fully into.

i picked up a bunch of games from this thread (including the rpg/non rpg/action adventure Okami) you guys are awesome.

for the few who recommended Rogue Galaxy..im loving it so far. (although i dont quite get the factory or insector things yet...)
 
[quote name='willardhaven']OP you might enjoy the Alundra series (I'm not sure if this falls into the Zelda-action genre), but they are both on PS1 and feature action adventure elements and puzzle solving.[/quote]

I got part way through Alundra (the first) and just couldnt get myself to finish it.. Im going to retry it when i get a different game guide for it (NOT the Prima guide)

[quote name='GuardianE']I just realized that while I've been monopolizing this guy's thread, I haven't even contributed in the way he asked. :whistle2:X

Out of the three I recommended (that weren't already listed) I've only beaten Shadow Hearts Covenant.

Shadow Hearts Covenant has a combat system involving precise timing of button presses and comboing allies' attacks together. It's interesting and keeps things from getting too repetitive. The story is engaging and unique (and has elements of humor that I have yet to see replicated in another JRPG), while the characters are totally loveable. I recommend it wholeheartedly.[/quote]

"she" dude...im a broad. :whistle2:#

I keep getting outbid on Shadow Hearts (all of them) on ebay. I'm convinced, though, that one day I'll win.. . .. maybe..
 
Shadow Hearts? Uhhhh...yeah. I lucked out on getting a copy by trading it here. It's really not all that good. Terribly overrated due to its rarity. Graphics are PS1 era. Gameplay is terrible. Story is dark, but they forgot the part where it's supposed to be a good story.

You don't need to worry about the Factory or Insector. I'd do Insector if there were good FAQs for it, but there aren't. And Factory is just tedium incarnate. Seriously, it's not worth it unless you REALLY want all the marks. Then you have to create a certain combining part and the Alexander in it, but that's it. There's vids on Youtube about it.
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']Shadow Hearts? Uhhhh...yeah. I lucked out on getting a copy by trading it here. It's really not all that good. Terribly overrated due to its rarity. Graphics are PS1 era. Gameplay is terrible. Story is dark, but they forgot the part where it's supposed to be a good story.

You don't need to worry about the Factory or Insector. I'd do Insector if there were good FAQs for it, but there aren't. And Factory is just tedium incarnate. Seriously, it's not worth it unless you REALLY want all the marks. Then you have to create a certain combining part and the Alexander in it, but that's it. There's vids on Youtube about it.[/QUOTE]

Shadow Hearts is horribly overated. Shadow Hearts sequal however is freaking brilliant.
 
Like I said, I've only played Shadow Hearts Covenant all the way through although I own all three. Shadow Hearts Covenant was so good that it was an instance where the sequel actually made the original more valuable. The first Shadow Hearts didn't sell particularly well and it wasn't particularly sought after for a long while. Shadow Hearts Covenant even had a pre-order bonus of a free copy of the original Shadow Hearts and it still jumped in price. The original Shadow Hearts may or may not be overrated, but I absolutely love Covenant.

Hope you get a copy, shelisheli. I think they're available on Gamestop.com Used, anyway. With CAG16 and SAVER and Edge coupon codes, it's pretty reasonable.

"she" dude...im a broad. :whistle2:#
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Whoopsies.
 
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I actually prefer the original Shadow Hearts over Covenant.

What else? To that person who berated Hyun Tae Kim's art it's a LOT better then the art Tetsuya Nomura puts out for all the new FF's. The men and women there are SO much more androgenous then most of what Tae Kim draws unless the PS2 art is exceptionally different then the earlier Magna Carta stuff. I mean seriously remember if we couldn't determine if Paine was male or female for FFX-2 until we were told, or at least until I heard Paine was female.

Now for RPG recommendation's "Beyond the Beyond" is a great game. Might not have the best story or whatever but I enjoyed it and one of my friend's does too. We exist, Beyond the Beyond fans, regardless of how abysmal some think it is. Breath Of Fire Dragon Quarter is good too, but I like how the combat is structured mainly. It's great, no inn's to recover at ALL. You have to survive by being perfect in battle, no getting attacked.

I know both of these aren't RPG's I'm about to recommend but I would suggest you get "Culdcept" if you don't have a 360 and "Culdcept Saga" already. Also "Shadow Of Destiny" is an AWESOME game, give it a try.
 
[quote name='GuardianE']Like I said, I've only played Shadow Hearts Covenant all the way through although I own all three. Shadow Hearts Covenant was so good that it was an instance where the sequel actually made the original more valuable. The first Shadow Hearts didn't sell particularly well and it wasn't particularly sought after for a long while. Shadow Hearts Covenant even had a pre-order bonus of a free copy of the original Shadow Hearts and it still jumped in price. The original Shadow Hearts may or may not be overrated, but I absolutely love Covenant.

Hope you get a copy, shelisheli. I think they're available on Gamestop.com Used, anyway. With CAG16 and SAVER and Edge coupon codes, it's pretty reasonable.



Whoopsies.[/QUOTE]

Ya SH was ok for when it came out and already has failed the test of time. However SH Cov just freaking rocked. The game is already a classic in my book and 10 years from now still will hold up. Amazing story, gameplay, charcters, skills....everything was good. Only thing I would have liked was a few more FMV cut scenes since the series cut scenes are just the freaking best(I Still think SH1 opening train scene is in the top 10!).
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Now for RPG recommendation's "Beyond the Beyond" is a great game. Might not have the best story or whatever but I enjoyed it and one of my friend's does too. We exist, Beyond the Beyond fans, regardless of how abysmal some think it is. Breath Of Fire Dragon Quarter is good too, but I like how the combat is structured mainly. It's great, no inn's to recover at ALL. You have to survive by being perfect in battle, no getting attacked.
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Beyond the Beyond is the #8 worst reviewed RPG of all time...
 
[quote name='Sarang01']
Breath Of Fire Dragon Quarter is good too, but I like how the combat is structured mainly. It's great, no inn's to recover at ALL. You have to survive by being perfect in battle, no getting attacked.

[/quote]

I bought BOF Dragon Quarter a while back.. I couldnt get into it at all. (I'm easily confused in battle)

I think I'll try a little harder to pick up the Shadow Hearts series
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']Beyond the Beyond is the #8 worst reviewed RPG of all time...[/QUOTE]

If tahts true it doesnt deserve that bad of reviews.....but ya deffintly is not one of the better RPGS made.
 
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