PS3 closing gap on Japanese Wii sales

[quote name='Thomas96']Lets give sony some credit.. remember, they have two consoles on the market, Sony's fanbase is so split...PS3 and PS2, but looking at that list... 3 out of the top 5 are Sony products.

PS3 will outsell Wii and 360 US and Japan when MGS 4 comes out. People are waiting for a system seller, no brainer game.. and out of all the games... its MGS4[/QUOTE]

No one is denying the sales of the PS2 or PSP, or even the PS3. 5 million isnt a bad install base when you look obejectively at the cost of the PS3.

The PS3 will indeed spike sales when MGS4 comes out, but will it be substantial? Even the Halo 3 sales seems to be a two week jump for the 360.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']It has killer app... not apps. You say it pluralized like that system was built to play anything but Wii Sports.[/QUOTE]

The seven titles that have already sold over a million copies each would have to disagree. Along with the three titles nearing that mark. Add in Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. both as locks and you have a dozen million sellers on a console barely a year old.

Your argument/joke = fail.

[quote name='Furashu']

both systems have been out for 1 year, lets wait 1 more year...
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:lol: Wasn't that the Sony mantra last year? Wait one more year until the killer apps arrive?

[quote name='carthitup']
Now, without looking at numbers, it's also, I assume, safe to say that Wii sales simply can't stay that high forever. With every batch that ships out and is purchased (which is to say, ALL of them), that's a lot less people who need the system.[/QUOTE]

Sony sold 120 million PS2s. That's what, 17 million a year on mostly gamers. With Nintendo feeding on both gamers and their new casual market, it is entirely possible to sustain it as long as the software is there.
 
What is the surprising news here?

Oh shit! The seriously supply-constrained console is outselling the unconstrained console only by a factor of 2!
 
[quote name='Corvin']The seven titles that have already sold over a million copies each would have to disagree. Along with the three titles nearing that mark. Add in Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. both as locks and you have a dozen million sellers on a console barely a year old.

Your argument/joke = fail.
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First off, let's see Wii Sports, Wii Play, Resident Evil, Zelda, and Mario Party. I count 5, not 7, perhaps you're already trying to add in Mario Galaxy and Smash Brothers?

Furthermore, do you really want to use the classification that if a game sells a million copies its automatically a killer app?? So what you're saying is that if a game sells a million copies its automatically a killer app? Not to mention that Madden is apparently a killer app for 360 but not Wii... Interesting how that works huh?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Furthermore, do you really want to use the classification that if a game sells a million copies its automatically a killer app?? So what you're saying is that if a game sells a million copies its automatically a killer app? Not to mention that Madden is apparently a killer app for 360 but not Wii... Interesting how that works huh?[/QUOTE]

Yes? How else would you define a Killer App, if not sales? Also, Madden has been one of the games to benefit most from online play, especially a Live style service, plus it draws an overwhelmingly American audience, being football and all. So there shouldnt be any shock that its moving more copies on the 360.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']First off, let's see Wii Sports, Wii Play, Resident Evil, Zelda, and Mario Party. I count 5, not 7, perhaps you're already trying to add in Mario Galaxy and Smash Brothers?[/QUOTE]

It will be up for debate of course, but Wikipedia lists 9 for the Wii.

Wii Sports , Wii Play, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess , Mario Party 8 , Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Super Paper Mario, Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree, Mario Strikers Charged, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Red Steel, and Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition.
 
pretty much every thread with a system name in the title is just a collection of mini-meltdowns. (pun not intended.)
 
The "killer app" definition to ME is games that i want to play.
360 and Wii both have the least amounts of games i want to play.
 
[quote name='alongx']What is the surprising news here?

Oh shit! The seriously supply-constrained console is outselling the unconstrained console only by a factor of 2![/quote]

This made me chuckle a little bit.. Well said.
 
[quote name='foltzie']It will be up for debate of course, but Wikipedia lists 9 for the Wii.

Wii Sports , Wii Play, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess , Mario Party 8 , Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Super Paper Mario, Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree, Mario Strikers Charged, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Red Steel, and Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition.[/QUOTE]

VGchartz lists:

Million Sellers:
WiiSports
WiiPlay
Zelda
Mario Party 8
Rayman
Red Steel
WarioWare
Paper Mario

Nearing the million mark:
Mario Strikers
Resident Evil 4
Big Brain Academy

Then I'd say the following are a lock:
Metroid - sold a half mil in US alone and hasn't launched elsewhere yet
Mario Galaxy - no brainer there
Smash Brothers - sequel to the biggest selling Nintendo game from last gen, also a no brainer.

Give or take a couple that is a dozen million sellers the first year. The 360 didn't even have that. Are sales the end-all, be-all? Of course not, but looking at those 14 titles there is only one truly shitty game on the list, so it's hard to argue.
 
I am not a nintendo fanboy. My Wii is collecting dust, seriously. After Zelda I didn't play anything on it. My 360 on the other hand, is awesome.

Just wait untill Nintendo can actually keep up with demand on the Wii and starts to release different colors.

What really slows the PS3 down is the Blu-ray/HDDVD format war thats going on right now. If Blu-Ray were to replace DVD's, the sales would skyrocket. That still doesn't solve the crappy selection of games issue, but all systems start out slow. Except the Wii, that'll just end slow.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']...

You know what? Mana Knight had the most well balanced, factual, and fair post in this entire thread. I forget exactly which one it was - his second, I think. You'll know it when you see it. It'll be the one riding a black horse and carrying scales.[/QUOTE]

I thought the same thing. Sure, it's not December 31st yet, but I'll go out on a limb and give Mana Knight the Most Improved Poster of 2007 award. There are enough people who rightfully jump on his shit when he goes wrong, but he's been thoughtful and mature for like, weeks now. Good show.

You, sir, have:

improved.jpg


The question is: will Thomas96 stop acting like a mildly-retarded douche-bag for long enough to take the title in 2008? If he wants the title, he'd have to relinquish the Worst Poster belt he now holds. We will see, sports fans, we will see.
 
[quote name='trq']I thought the same thing. Sure, it's not December 31st yet, but I'll go out on a limb and give Mana Knight the Most Improved Poster of 2007 award. There are enough people who rightfully jump on his shit when he goes wrong, but he's been thoughtful and mature for like, weeks now. Good show.

You, sir, have:

IMPROVED
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Not to talk about you like you aren't here TMK...

But I totally agree -- If TMK learns to take dissention in stride, and to just support his points logically, without (sometimes) going super fanboy in the face of an opposing viewpoint, he should absolutly win this award you speak of.
 
I always like TMK, sure he is a blind Sony fanboy, but he always talks positively about The playstation brand, never negatively about the other systems, he simply always said "I like the playstation because it always has the most type of games on it that I want to play" simple, good reason. Can't blame him. Never says "Wii sucks! no games to play!" or "360 is a piece of garbage for breaking all the time!"

BTW, a big game did come out for Ps3, Eye of Judgment!
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Never says "Wii sucks! no games to play!" or "360 is a piece of garbage for breaking all the time!"
[/QUOTE]

Maybe not anymore.

Maybe.


Shit. I need to make that maybe bigger.

MAYBE.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']
BTW, a big game did come out for Ps3, Eye of Judgment![/quote]

A friend of mine picked that up. It's an interesting concept, but a shame that you can photocopy cards, meaning the CCG aspect of the game will get watered down by ultra netdecking...
 
Another thing guys, you aren't helping your arguments when you resort to attacking his character, rather than addressing the argument he presenting to you.

Makes you seem like you have no counter-argument, and thus are just trying to change the argument.

So in other words, just cut it out. I see a lot of you reading way too much into his messages just to find any little thing you can find to call him a fanboy or talk down to him. In fact, to me, that makes a lot of you worse than any fanboy, because while TMK has opinions and posts about them, you know where he stands on an argument. But all these other guys can do is launch attack after attack at his character.
 
[quote name='trq']I thought the same thing. Sure, it's not December 31st yet, but I'll go out on a limb and give Mana Knight the Most Improved Poster of 2007 award. There are enough people who rightfully jump on his shit when he goes wrong, but he's been thoughtful and mature for like, weeks now. Good show.

You, sir, have:

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The question is: will Thomas96 stop acting like a mildly-retarded douche-bag for long enough to take the title in 2008? If he wants the title, he'd have to relinquish the Worst Poster belt he now holds. We will see, sports fans, we will see.[/QUOTE]


Well I'm definitely not going to act like a bitch just to get you to like me, or my posts.. I say what the fuck I want to say... and I try not to disrespect anyone.. But most people don't take things to heart. So with that said.. shut your ass up.. this is a forum not a fucking popularity contest. ARe you in high school?
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Well I'm definitely not going to act like a bitch just to get you to like me, or my posts.. I say what the fuck I want to say... and I try not to disrespect anyone.. But most people don't take things to heart. So with that said.. shut your ass up.. this is a forum not a fucking popularity contest. ARe you in high school?[/QUOTE]

Are you in elementary school?

That's about the level of writing I'd expect, anyway.
 
[quote name='Strell']Are you in elementary school?

That's about the level of writing I'd expect, anyway.[/QUOTE]



well I'm glad it was easy for you to read... though its not as easy or as intuitive as your elementary Wii...

you've spent so much time in the PS3 forums, why don't you just get a PS3... so you can have some first hand knowledge about something other than what you last voted on, or the weather.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']well I'm glad it was easy for you to read... though its not as easy or as intuitive as your elementary Wii...

you've spent so much time in the PS3 forums, why don't you just get a PS3... so you can have some first hand knowledge about something other than what you last voted on, or the weather.[/QUOTE]

Strell, this is solid teenage or pre-teen angst. So I'm going with Middleschool.
 
I think Thomas has a PS3 because that's the easiest one to spell.

Cuz the letter "w" is scary looking, and "360" is too high a number for him to count to.
 
[quote name='Strell']I think Thomas has a PS3 because that's the easiest one to spell.

Cuz the letter "w" is scary looking, and "360" is too high a number for him to count to.[/QUOTE]


you don't really spell PS3 since its an acronym... oh well what does it matter. I see you got your cheerleaders in here with you now... (ref: foltzie) I guess I'll be back when the trolls clear...
 
[quote name='Vanigan']Another thing guys, you aren't helping your arguments when you resort to attacking his character, rather than addressing the argument he presenting to you.

Makes you seem like you have no counter-argument, and thus are just trying to change the argument.

So in other words, just cut it out. I see a lot of you reading way too much into his messages just to find any little thing you can find to call him a fanboy or talk down to him. In fact, to me, that makes a lot of you worse than any fanboy, because while TMK has opinions and posts about them, you know where he stands on an argument. But all these other guys can do is launch attack after attack at his character.[/quote]

*I'm* not attacking TMK -- I really enjoy most of what he writes, and when someone else mentioned the steady improvement in the quality of WHAT he writes, I wanted to support that, because he gets a lot of flack at times for the positions he supports.

Even if it seems a little backhanded, it wasn't intended to be. It's always fun reading TMK.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']you don't really spell PS3 since its an acronym... oh well what does it matter. I see you got your cheerleaders in here with you now... (ref: foltzie) I guess I'll be back when the trolls clear...[/QUOTE]

Whoa whoa whoa, I'm nobodies cheerleader. I'm goof in my own right. Plus I cant grow a mustache like Strell. Too many facial scars.
 
Wall of text crits you for 1000000000 damage. This post is IMHO and only applies to my situation and my way of life.

Granted I have no credibility (yes that means you can stop reading now), here are just a few comments from someone who generally stays quiet in these types of threads.

If the Wii, 360 and PS3 all came out on the same day and for the same price, the PS3 would be the best seller (based on the PS2 being the previous generation king alone and not considering title availability, future proof, etc). This would be tough to deny regardless of what type of fanboy you are.

However, the PS3 debuted at 2 times the price of the 360 and 2.5 times the price of the Wii. This put it out of the running for the majority of the gaming populous (based on a 2006 US census yearly average income of $48k per family) factored on price alone (more on this later). This did not reduce the amount of people who desired to own the PS3, but it did reduce the amount of people who could afford one. We would all be driving a Mercedes instead of a Kia if the price was the same.

After a few model changes and price drops the PS3 is slowly picking up speed and with Microsoft doing the same, the XBOX sales have also remained steady or slightly increased. The Wii is a great system but it’s hard to define it as second gen when comparing "capability" of it to the other systems. The 360 and PS3 are either capable of, or currently support; HD graphics, 5.1 audio, DVD playback (inc. HD-DVD/Blu-Ray support), Media Center functionality, upgradeability (somewhat), internal HD, and a more seamless online interaction.

This leads me to the point that the 360 and PS3 are competitors in the race and the Wii isnt in the race at all. To clarify, its running the 100meter and the 360/PS3 are running the 5K. They aren’t competing in the same race, well they shouldn’t be. While Sony and MS battle it out on who is going to be the nextgen king, the Wii is watching from the sidelines. The Wii isn’t trying to be nextgen, it’s not trying to be future proof, it’s trying to be fun, simple and affordable and it’s succeeding.

The #1 factor in retail sales for a consumer when making a buying decision is PRICE. Please don't confuse price with value. That is not to say that the Wii isn’t a better value, it’s simply the lowest priced. Add in a good game line-up, an innovative controller that can draw you in to the games and an ease of use that anyone can figure out in 10min, it shouldn’t be a surprise that the Wii is on top in sales.

So that brings up the question of value. Which system has the best value? I say if you are looking down the road for the next 5 years then a lot of it will be determined by the winner of the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray war. I don't see the Wii being the best value that far down the road but I think it has tremendous value right now, and an increased value going into 2008. I don't see it slowing down until the price point on the other systems drops a bit more and a high def DVD standard is set. Sure the Wii will drop in price as well but I don't think it will carry the same value in the next few years.

So with all of that being said..

I owned a Wii when they first came out and sold it a month later because after Zelda, there was nothing left for me to play. When friends/family came over I missed the Wii (as did they), but there wasn’t enough value in that alone to justify owning it if I wanted to purchase another system (The wife made it clear I could not own both, and the truth is we didn’t have the money to afford both). I ended up making a couple of $$ because of the Wii shortage after Christmas so it worked out.

I picked up a 360 in Jan of this year and played it daily (I was even having dreams of GoW while I slept). I was happy with the 360 and saw no chance of me buying anything else for a long time… but then 2 things happened. I got custody of my son in May, and he had a PS2 that he brought with him (and a GB-SP), and he just did not like the 360. He was reluctant to use the 360 controller and preferred the types of games on his PS2 to those that were available on the 360 (Final Fantasy, Disgaea, GT, etc). The second thing was that we got the dreaded RRoD around Sept. We took the 360 back to Costco and got a... you guessed it... another Wii.

Are you surprised? I fall into that crowd of those who still wanted a PS3 but I could not justify the price based on its current value. The Wii seemed like the smart decision. The RPG's my son and I would like to play were not (and are still not) available on the PS3 yet and he had already made it clear he did not care for the 360 platform (even though I preferred it). I already knew the Wii was fun, and as a family it was something we could play together. My son had recently traded in his SP for a DS and was able to link to the Wii with his pokeman games and we have spent hours playing Rayman, MP8 and Wii Sports together. My wife plays RE4 and loves it (not to mention she kicks my ass in tennis lately) and I am almost done (on chapter 8) with Super Paper Mario. I already have Galaxy and SSB reserved and Metroid is sitting on top of the Wii still sealed in plastic. I picked up Zack & Wiki last week and it’s been taking up my time (and my son/wifes time) the last few days (except for the small break to play the Crysis demo, which is going to kick ass BTW).

So where does this leave the PS3? I still want to own one and I can still see it having the capability to be my favorite console in the future; just not yet... My son wants one for Christmas and we have about $400 on a GS gift card. The possibility of picking one up is there... I’m just still having a hard time justifying the value at its current state. If Blu-Ray was the standard, there would be less hesitation. If the game line-up was currently where it needs to be, there would be less hesitation. If the price was $100 less, there would be less hesitation. If the new dual shock controllers were released and bundled with the PS3 w/o a price increase, there would be less hesitation. If all/most/some of the above things were to happen, there would be NO hesitation and I believe that to be true for the majority of us living in or near the median income level.

But for now... the hesitation remains and the Wii's future (at least until the middle of 2008), is looking bright.

-Tirade (Not a fanboy, just a cheapass looking for the best value)
 
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Touche, but my scars are due to removed skin and folicles. Hank broke bones, so his hair still grows, so it can cover up the deformities.
 
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