PS3 Online Information Revealed

From here it all looks very nice. Lots of good features, and being free?

I'll have to agree with "Tycho": if this is free with Sony, how will Microsoft's paid Live service have to respond?
 
[quote name='Moxio']From here it all looks very nice. Lots of good features, and being free?

I'll have to agree with "Tycho": if this is free with Sony, how will Microsoft's paid Live service have to respond?[/QUOTE]

Well, I pay for shaddy Xbox Live service with lag and constant headaches. I doubt Sony can pull off anything better for free...
 
If Microsoft's subscription service has flaws, I'd expect Sony's free service to be miserable. Online was free on the PS2, right? And boy, it was great for all two games that supported it! (
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']If Microsoft's subscription service has flaws, I'd expect Sony's free service to be miserable. Online was free on the PS2, right? And boy, it was great for all two games that supported it! (
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']If Microsoft's subscription service has flaws, I'd expect Sony's free service to be miserable. Online was free on the PS2, right? And boy, it was great for all two games that supported it! (
 
It looks good on paper so far. Also, it'll take at least six months to a year for us to judge it fairly as everyone knows there'll be bugs to hammer out. Good start so far though.
 
I like how you say MS's is shit,... because YOU have lag. That is YOUR problem, not MS's. Their service is lacking, and a bit glitchy, but overall it is something that will be very hard to top, free or not.

Arcade is getting better and better, and some of the content is just too good to pass up.

Sony is joke, who uses its other marvels to propel its game hardware to the fanboys. No one would have even touched a Playstation if it were made by say, Tiger Electronics, back in 96/7.

Nintendo hired them to make it for the SFami/NES, and they basically saw the opportunity at hand. Microsoft isnt considered to be a cool company, rich and powerful,... but very unhip, unlike Sony. So they had a really rough time when the first XBox came out. Now MS has a ton of stuff Sony wants to emulate... and just like the cattle Americans/Earthlings are, they will not put one thought into a purchase.

Even though this isnt like, "hmmm should I get pregnant", its the same approach that people would take, cause to them it doesnt matter. Whether its getting laid, or just deciding on a console... there is no cognitive reasoning, no critical thinking, or cynicism... they just loyally listen to the cool new adds, which 3rd parties kill children to make.

:)


dont poop on the church floor, cause god is raping a lot of kids there :)
 
[quote name='drone8888']I like how you say MS's is shit,... because YOU have lag. That is YOUR problem, not MS's. Their service is lacking, and a bit glitchy, but overall it is something that will be very hard to top, free or not.

Arcade is getting better and better, and some of the content is just too good to pass up.

Sony is joke, who uses its other marvels to propel its game hardware to the fanboys. No one would have even touched a Playstation if it were made by say, Tiger Electronics, back in 96/7.

Nintendo hired them to make it for the SFami/NES, and they basically saw the opportunity at hand. Microsoft isnt considered to be a cool company, rich and powerful,... but very unhip, unlike Sony. So they had a really rough time when the first XBox came out. Now MS has a ton of stuff Sony wants to emulate... and just like the cattle Americans/Earthlings are, they will not put one thought into a purchase.

Even though this isnt like, "hmmm should I get pregnant", its the same approach that people would take, cause to them it doesnt matter. Whether its getting laid, or just deciding on a console... there is no cognitive reasoning, no critical thinking, or cynicism... they just loyally listen to the cool new adds, which 3rd parties kill children to make.

:)


dont poop on the church floor, cause god is raping a lot of kids there :)[/QUOTE]

Actually it is not my end. My Internet is fast as fuck. Rent or buy Saints Row and you will see what I am talking about.
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']Actually it is not my end. My Internet is fast as fuck. Rent or buy Saints Row and you will see what I am talking about.[/QUOTE]


That is Saints Row's fault. That game really needs to be patched.
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']According to this, 177 and some LAN games. I can say that I've never heard of quite a few of them, and the vast majority are sports games with a few WWII shooters.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'll trust the official Playstation website over Wikipedia. And after looking at the list, the PS2 online games look more diverse than the Xbox online games.

Where Xbox has Racing, Sports, Halo and a few othe FPS's, PS2 has a few more interesting ones IMO like Ratchet and Clank, Outbreak, Monster Hunter, etc. Of course this is IMO.
 
Sounds great from the article. We'll see how it turns out, but I am glad it's free. Personally, I don't care to pay for XBL when I rarely use online features anyway. Sony should be fine for my occasional play time.
 
[quote name='drone8888']I like how you say MS's is shit,... because YOU have lag. That is YOUR problem, not MS's.

Sony is joke, who uses its other marvels to propel its game hardware to the fanboys. No one would have even touched a Playstation if it were made by say, Tiger Electronics, back in 96/7.

Microsoft isnt considered to be a cool company, rich and powerful,... but very unhip, unlike Sony. So they had a really rough time when the first XBox came out. Now MS has a ton of stuff Sony wants to emulate... and just like the cattle Americans/Earthlings are, they will not put one thought into a purchase.
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Talk about un-educated. Microsoft had a tough time because they saw what Sony had and said hey lets try to copy them and make our own game console. Their lack of planning with the original xbox controllers caused them to have to quickly design and release the S-controller so that many gamers could play without hand cramps.

The reason people picked up playstations and PS2's over other consoles was because of the great selection of games. Look at the PS2, GC, and Xbox and try to tell me PS2 doesnt have the largest selection and the most variety of games.

You claim that Sony is just trying to copy microsoft with online gaming, well who cares? Its been done since the internet was invented and microsoft doesnt own the copy right to online gaming.
 
If MS never got Live up and running, the PS3 may not offer the robust online service it will have come launch day. So give MS a bit of credit for setting an industry standard of online console gaming. What did you expect? Sony has to "learn" (not copy) from MS's Live service in order to bring the industry forward and that's exactly what they did. Good thing.
 
[quote name='CounterSeal']If MS never got Live up and running, the PS3 may not offer the robust online service it will have come launch day. So give MS a bit of credit for setting an industry standard of online console gaming. What did you expect? Sony has to "learn" (not copy) from MS's Live service in order to bring the industry forward and that's exactly what they did. Good thing.[/QUOTE]
This is well put, and I think it's important to note that the article states Sony's marketplace system looks better than XBLA. So, Sony is improving on one aspect it seems, and in the long run that's better for all of us. People want competition for football games, just not systems.
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']Actually it is not my end. My Internet is fast as fuck. Rent or buy Saints Row and you will see what I am talking about.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious? Saint's Row is already known for its piss poor online lag. Voliton is releasing a patch soon for it. Please do more research before you go and bitch about XBL when you have no real right to.
 
Lol, nonstop complain wagon all aboard!

IRTTopic

I think this sounds great. And maybe i'll finnally download games on the store. I wouldnt mind buying a flow game of flow with 6 axis controll.

Sounds all fine and dandy.
 
I like the aspect of the online service being free, but let's be honest, how many of you expect it to stay that way???? No way in hell it stays free for the lifetime of the system.
I've got my pre-order in and look forward to trying out the online in November.
 
[quote name='mmercer13']I like the aspect of the online service being free, but let's be honest, how many of you expect it to stay that way???? No way in hell it stays free for the lifetime of the system.
I've got my pre-order in and look forward to trying out the online in November.[/QUOTE]
Why not? PSP online is free. Wii is going to be free. It might be that MS is the one who has to change and make theirs free. After all, most PC games are completely free to play online.
 
Forgive me if I overlooked it in the article, but are they saying that your friends will be your friends across all games (like live) or friends for individual games?
 
[quote name='mmercer13']I like the aspect of the online service being free, but let's be honest, how many of you expect it to stay that way???? No way in hell it stays free for the lifetime of the system.
I've got my pre-order in and look forward to trying out the online in November.[/QUOTE]


not worried about staying free...worried about it sucking. then when they realize they can't go through the gen with a shitty online system, they'll sell us the full featured version.
 
[quote name='Apossum']not worried about staying free...worried about it sucking. then when they realize they can't go through the gen with a shitty online system, they'll sell us the full featured version.[/QUOTE]

That's what I was trying to say.

Plus, and I'm not asking this to be an asshole, can you really compare the online service needed for the Playstation 3 to the PSP??
 
the online store looks fine, and i see how one can spend money and talk about it all from using sony's service. did i miss the part about online mutliplayer gaming?
 
I gotta say, the store does look much easier to navigate then 360, but I have a feeling the fall dashboard update might remedy that one. However, there is still to little information about the gaming. Is lag going to be an issue b/c 3rd parties are using their own servers? Oh and are most games going to charge you to play online because sony isn't? And I am not meaning MMOs. I could easily see a company like EA charging an EA games online fee to play multiplayer every month.
And how about the kids. Live can be wrecked by the stupid 12 years, and its a pay service. How bad is voice chat going to be when the service is free? Eventually anyways, not many kids are going to be able to buy a PS3 at 2 grand.

And on the free side of things. Anyone else think this service is going to turn to pay when Sony realizes they are hemorrhaging money over the bandwidth they are using every month from the downloads? Just to many questions still about the service. And to anyone who thinks Sony's service is going to be perfect at launch, don't bet on it. It took one of the worlds premiere software companies several years to get its online service functioning nearly perfectly. Don't expect a primarily hardware based design company to be able to do it right at launch.
 
[quote name='Sulik2']

And on the free side of things. Anyone else think this service is going to turn to pay when Sony realizes they are hemorrhaging money over the bandwidth they are using every month from the downloads? [/quote]

Correct me if i'm wrong but doesnt the basic xbox live which is free allow you to download all the demo's and trailers?
 
[quote name='Brian9824']Correct me if i'm wrong but doesnt the basic xbox live which is free allow you to download all the demo's and trailers?[/quote]

true and the xbox division posted like a 1.6 something billion dollar loss recently, so yes customer gets those features without paying but it doesn't mean they are without cost.
 
If the Xbox Live service is so amazing cause I have to pay for it.

Then what is the deal with Splinter Cell Double Agent online? I dont think having the Console Developer being a part of the online part helps... Ubisoft just always fucks it up.
 
[quote name='gaelan']true and the xbox division posted like a 1.6 something billion dollar loss recently, so yes customer gets those features without paying but it doesn't mean they are without cost.[/quote]

Well unless you have any numbers saying how much of that is related to their online service then thats pointless. Xbox in general has been operating at a loss and with the 360 launch they will definitely be showing a loss. It takes most consoles at least a year to recoup the losses they suffer at launch.
 
[quote name='Brian9824']Well unless you have any numbers saying how much of that is related to their online service then thats pointless. Xbox in general has been operating at a loss and with the 360 launch they will definitely be showing a loss. It takes most consoles at least a year to recoup the losses they suffer at launch.[/quote]

true, i was merely stating that the reported loss contains the "live demos and trailers" in there somewhere. the post that brought it up was about sony losing money on the dls and bandwidth, at which point you brought up MS's free dls. that's why i tossed out MS losing billion+.

they definitely cost MS something just as they will cost any company money to roll out. sony can attempt to recoup those costs by pimping sony movies only thereby passing it off as sony advertising. i wonder if they will allow downloads of competing studio movies without charging that studio to ride the pnp?
 
Hope all you PS3 owners have a lot of nickels and dimes! ;) Where do you think that $ is going to be made up on? Shoot, 360 I have to pay for service and they already short change you on releasing 'expansions' which they easily could have included in the game.

Waits for Grand Tourismo to have only 10 cars and the rest you have to purchase online :roll: and still cost you $60
 
[quote name='Brian9824']Correct me if i'm wrong but doesnt the basic xbox live which is free allow you to download all the demo's and trailers?[/QUOTE]

It does, but you know Microsoft is able to recoup some of the money from that with the charge to the premium users. They doubtless use more bandwidth from the downloads than the online games, that doesn't take that much bandwidth.

And on the splinter cell thing, you can't blame Microsoft for developers who underestimate the demand for things, like say online Co-Op. I will no longer be buying the game because of it. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I think a seperate design team worked on the 360 version, they obviously didn't have enough time to complete the game. So we will probably just get raped and have to pay for it on the marketplace.
 
[quote name='Sulik2']It does, but you know Microsoft is able to recoup some of the money from that with the charge to the premium users. They doubtless use more bandwidth from the downloads than the online games, that doesn't take that much bandwidth.

And on the splinter cell thing, you can't blame Microsoft for developers who underestimate the demand for things, like say online Co-Op. I will no longer be buying the game because of it. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I think a seperate design team worked on the 360 version, they obviously didn't have enough time to complete the game. So we will probably just get raped and have to pay for it on the marketplace.[/QUOTE]

Are you guys serious? The people complaining about Splinter Cell? The DEMO is having problems. You people are basing your complaints on a DEMO. The retail version will probably support servers, or have a better online code implemented into it, or better yet if it is indeed shitty, they will patch it. I'm not supporting this new found idea of "just ship it, we'll patch it later" mentality, but I'm just saying you have no justification to bitch just quite yet.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']If the Xbox Live service is so amazing cause I have to pay for it.

Then what is the deal with Splinter Cell Double Agent online? I dont think having the Console Developer being a part of the online part helps... Ubisoft just always fucks it up.[/QUOTE]

Wow. What are you even talking about. Are you basing your opinion on a DEMO? A DEMO that which does not reflect the final product? Also, how does Ubisoft fuck "it" up? If I recall, Chaos Theory' online play was extremely popular and worked very well online. Also, Rainbow Six 3 was THE XBL game before Halo 2.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']Wow. What are you even talking about. Are you basing your opinion on a DEMO? A DEMO that which does not reflect the final product? Also, how does Ubisoft fuck "it" up? If I recall, Chaos Theory' online play was extremely popular and worked very well online. Also, Rainbow Six 3 was THE XBL game before Halo 2.[/quote]
What the fuck!

fuck fuckie fuck fuck fuck fuck?!

yea But Splinter CELL IS fuck!

Lol. No, the demo is just crap-tastic go try it out. And yea its just a demo, but why even release it if it doesnt even work 89% of the time? o_O That just makes your product look like crap.

But the 1 time I did get to play it (yea one time, and been trying for 2 days) it was really entertaining. ALTHOUGH REALLY MOFO short. But, I will be picking up Double agent soon. I love Splinter Cell, I just hope they fix their online.

And Ubisoft always fucks up their online Play on the PC. And it seems like they are having the same problem with the 360.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']What the fuck!

fuck fuckie fuck fuck fuck fuck?!

yea But Splinter CELL IS fuck!

Lol. No, the demo is just crap-tastic go try it out. And yea its just a demo, but why even release it if it doesnt even work 89% of the time? o_O That just makes your product look like crap.

But the 1 time I did get to play it (yea one time, and been trying for 2 days) it was really entertaining. ALTHOUGH REALLY MOFO short. But, I will be picking up Double agent soon. I love Splinter Cell, I just hope they fix their online.

And Ubisoft always fucks up their online Play on the PC. And it seems like they are having the same problem with the 360.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you there, why release a demo when it doesn't help the image of your product at all. But again, it's a demo, and I assume that they'll have the online stuff fleshed out and fixed. Also, this is their first online game with the 360, and it's Splinter Cell (a flagship title for Ubisoft) I doubt they'll displease the fans. Ubisoft is one of the best developers and publishers around if you ask me.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']I agree with you there, why release a demo when it doesn't help the image of your product at all. But again, it's a demo, and I assume that they'll have the online stuff fleshed out and fixed. Also, this is their first online game with the 360, and it's Splinter Cell (a flagship title for Ubisoft) I doubt they'll displease the fans. Ubisoft is one of the best developers and publishers around if you ask me.[/quote]
Hey happy panda.

I think they tottally fixed it, im not having ANYMORE problems.

Can they adjust their game without making you DL something? Cause its 100% working for me now... It was 80% not working for me yesterday and earlier today.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']What the fuck!

fuck fuckie fuck fuck fuck fuck?!

yea But Splinter CELL IS fuck!

Lol. No, the demo is just crap-tastic go try it out. And yea its just a demo, but why even release it if it doesnt even work 89% of the time? o_O That just makes your product look like crap.

But the 1 time I did get to play it (yea one time, and been trying for 2 days) it was really entertaining. ALTHOUGH REALLY MOFO short. But, I will be picking up Double agent soon. I love Splinter Cell, I just hope they fix their online.

And Ubisoft always fucks up their online Play on the PC. And it seems like they are having the same problem with the 360.[/quote]
:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause: HILARIOUS:applause::applause::applause::booty::booty::booty::booty::booty::booty::booty: 2 days lmao
 
But once again, I must make a point: yes, free, but that leaves room for developers to charge per game, or worse, perhaps that rumor of GT4 will be true (that it ships without cars or tracks and you have to buy them individually).
 
[quote name='Scorch']But once again, I must make a point: yes, free, but that leaves room for developers to charge per game, or worse, perhaps that rumor of GT4 will be true (that it ships without cars or tracks and you have to buy them individually).[/quote]Actually, I'm pretty sure that was already confirmed as true by Sony themselves.
 
It appears that Sony is planning their own version of "Live Arcade". I just hope they make it accessible to indie and homebrew developers. Imagine if Sony can establish it as a platform for talented undiscovered developers to showcase their original gaming concepts and ideas. They could set up a review panel so it won't get overloaded with crap games or games with offensive material. A system like this could create the next Melty Blood, Alien Hominid, or Counter Strike.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']It appears that Sony is planning their own version of "Live Arcade". I just hope they make it accessible to indie and homebrew developers. Imagine if Sony can establish it as a platform for talented undiscovered developers to showcase their original gaming concepts and ideas. They could set up a review panel so it won't get overloaded with crap games or games with offensive material. A system like this could create the next Melty Blood, Alien Hominid, or Counter Strike.[/QUOTE]
Isn't this what MS is trying to do, as well? I think they both see that as a huge market to tap, but I'm not sure we'll really see it happen for a year or two more. Though, if I had designed a cool little casual game, I think I would be emailing MS/Sony right now trying to get some attention.
 
Ah, this could be an extremely good development. Sounds like Sony is going to try to go towards new games by indie and small-time developers versus the retro arcade route that Microsoft has taken (Yes, MS has the development tool, but nothing substantial has been created thus far). Also, it appears that the newer games won't cost anymore than the retro games that MS is reselling.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3s-arcade-service-to-raise-bar-of-quality-maybe-208376.php

I'm personally quite happy about this. If Sony were to just re-release old retro games, I wouldn't be all that interested in purchasing them at all. There's already emulators that you can snag for free and play all those games. This should be a good alternative that I would actually consider using to purchase games.
 
[quote name='limelicker']
I'm personally quite happy about this. If Sony were to just re-release old retro games, I wouldn't be all that interested in purchasing them at all. There's already emulators that you can snag for free and play all those games. This should be a good alternative that I would actually consider using to purchase games.[/QUOTE]
I agree to an extent. I'd rather see unique new games, as well. However, I don't mind retro games when they're retooled for the new systems with new features (for example, SF2 and UMK3's online play). A mix of those two would do great, I think.
 
I think starting this year will see more indie game developers on Xbox Live Arcade. Probably Castle Crashers by Bohemoth will be one of the first to debut. Live Arcade does tend to have many classic games available for release more frequently but that should all change very soon. I would like to see Sony take it up a notch and try to embrace homebrew developers not just Indie developers. At the moment with their behavior of limiting homebrew development on the PSP it doesn't look good but that might mainly have to do with emulators and pirated software being played on the PSP. One reason why I support homebrew games is that the mainstream developers are pretty much abandoning 2-D and certain genre's that I grew up on. I think homebrew developers could keep 2-D gaming alive since its far easier and cheaper to develop a 2-D game.
 
Say hi to the new PS3 online service, same as the old PS2 service.

I guess when Sony said their service would be better, they figured that being free automatically makes it so. :roll:
 
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