PS3 SW-based PS2 emulation coming in the fall?

This is good news, but given that its Sony don't be surprised if this still doesn't allow disc-based PS2 games to be played in non-BC PS3s and is instead a precursor to releasing PS2 Classics on PSN.
 
The article pointed this out, though what happens with downloadable PS2 games on a 20GB/60GB system with full HW emulation or an 80GB with partial HW/partial SW emulation? Will this emulator see the EE/Cell processors on the 20GB/60GB or the Cell on the 80GB (either the Cell or EE, whichever one is left over on a partial-BC 80GB) and use them?
 
Obviously noone bothered to actually read this article. This is Sony talking about emulating the Emotion Engine chip...which we all know they did years ago with the first 80GB model!!! Seriously this is so not newsworthy I can't figure out why all the sites and everyone are so excited by it. EE emulation has been done before, nothing new there. Unless Sony finds a way to emulate the Graphics Synthesizer (GS) chip of the PS2, software PS2 games just ain't happening.

Cool your jets and stop getting all excited about a very mundane piece of "news" that isn't new and certainly doesn't open the door for PS2 emulation. THINK!!! Not trying to sound like an ass, but people keep convincing themselves that full PS2 emulation is feasible and coming. Until the day comes Sony announces it, don't count on it!
 
Well, someone had to drop the hammer to remind people that mere EE emulation is a long f'n way from EE and GS emulation. It's been two years since they first did this on the 80GB and nothing has progressed since. Truly being an ass would be making blind and ignorant conjecture as pretty much every is.
 
Two words: Graphics Synthesizer.

The PS2 GPU. The Emotion Engine has already been emulated on the older 80GB PS3. What this extra module in the flowchart has got to be is something to emulate the GS. Or perhaps it is a GS.

I always figured Sony was going to do something like this eventually. I just never could figure out how they were going to do it. The PS3 doesn't have expansion ports like the SEGA Genesis used with the SEGA CD, right? I don't know if the USB ports or ethernet port can handle the data a GS can pump out.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']The question has to be asked: CAN the PS3 emulate the Graphics Synthesizer well enough, if at all?[/QUOTE]
It's probably not a question of the PS3 emulating it. The Genesis didn't handle the SEGA CD. It just interfaced with the CD module and vice versa. Whatever this module is, it's probably going to handle the Graphics Synthesizer.
 
If the Wii can play TurboGraphix, Genesis, and NeoGeo games, I'd venture a guess that the PS3 can emulate the whole GS and EE.
 
[quote name='laaj']I wouldn't get my hopes up when Sony can't even get PS1 emulation to be perfect.[/QUOTE]

From what I've see PS1 emulation is pretty near perfect as far as emulation goes (i.e. it's never perfect, ever ).
 
[quote name='Nogib']Well, someone had to drop the hammer to remind people that mere EE emulation is a long f'n way from EE and GS emulation. It's been two years since they first did this on the 80GB and nothing has progressed since. Truly being an ass would be making blind and ignorant conjecture as pretty much every is.[/QUOTE]

LET'S ALL GET PISSED ABOUT IT! IGNORANT CONJECTURE! SLEEP NOW IN THE FIRE ETC ETC!

Anyways, I don't really know much about emu, except that they lay delicous giant eggs.
 
[quote name='Nogib']Well, someone had to drop the hammer to remind people that mere EE emulation is a long f'n way from EE and GS emulation. It's been two years since they first did this on the 80GB and nothing has progressed since. Truly being an ass would be making blind and ignorant conjecture as pretty much every is.[/QUOTE]

You mean as pretty much no one is? Glancing at the thread before your first post, looks kind of like you weren't the only one with a tempered reaction. Sounds like your beef is with Sony, not the people in this thread.
 
Dude whether it is real or not...I sure hope so. I have many Ps2 games sitting around i can play but don't have the room to be hooking it up and too lazy to keep taking it out of the closet.
 
A thought crossed my mind that maybe Sony is finally patenting the technology to keep some 3rd party dev from releasing PS2-emulated games on the PS3...
 
[quote name='jh6269']A thought crossed my mind that maybe Sony is finally patenting the technology to keep some 3rd party dev from releasing PS2-emulated games on the PS3...[/QUOTE]

If the Cell is able to emulate both the chips, they probably don't want another company who is using the Cell chip in their machine to offer PS2 playability. i.e. Cell based computers, blu-ray players, etc.
 
Anyone else figure that the old way the Emotion Engine was emulated basically lead to a dead end with the GS as you can't emulate the bandwidth itself since it's too much. The repatent is a different way of emulating the Emotion Engine and instead of a 1/1 ratio of emulation, they're going to go with a recompilation of the emulation basically starting from scratch and emulating it in a completely different way to actually make said emulation feasible. Though with this new method of emulation, maybe they can offload it directly into ram rather then having insanely fast but very limited ram which the 4 mb of ram was.
 
It would be great if this development resulted in full PS2 backwards-compatibility being added back into those PS3s that are without it. However, I strongly suspect that there is a slightly more sinister motivation behind Sony re-investing in PS2 emulation.

Recently, Final Fantasy VII was released on the PSN Store. And it sold a crap-ton of copies. It is quite likely that it will continue selling strongly. Final Fantasy VII is an old-ass game, and they were able to sell an embarrasing amount of digital copies in a very short time.

Who wants to bet that this new interest in PS2 emulation is not to add it to re-introduce it as a general feature, but to make possible the distribution of PS2 games on the PSN Store? Unlike the 360, the PS3 isn't really constrained by memory limitations. You can put whatever size HD you please in it, for an affordable price. Downloading PS2 games to it wouldn't be all that much of a hassle. Sony is probably thinking about how many digital copies of Sly Cooper, Final Fantasy X, and GTA:San Andreas they could sell.
 
[quote name='Richard Kain']It would be great if this development resulted in full PS2 backwards-compatibility being added back into those PS3s that are without it. However, I strongly suspect that there is a slightly more sinister motivation behind Sony re-investing in PS2 emulation.

Recently, Final Fantasy VII was released on the PSN Store. And it sold a crap-ton of copies. It is quite likely that it will continue selling strongly. Final Fantasy VII is an old-ass game, and they were able to sell an embarrasing amount of digital copies in a very short time.

Who wants to bet that this new interest in PS2 emulation is not to add it to re-introduce it as a general feature, but to make possible the distribution of PS2 games on the PSN Store? Unlike the 360, the PS3 isn't really constrained by memory limitations. You can put whatever size HD you please in it, for an affordable price. Downloading PS2 games to it wouldn't be all that much of a hassle. Sony is probably thinking about how many digital copies of Sly Cooper, Final Fantasy X, and GTA:San Andreas they could sell.[/QUOTE]


I think that's the answer right there. But if this is the route that Sony goes, I really hope that the games are upscaled better than what they are now.
 
Ran into this article via ArsTechnica, which talks about the possibility for SW-based PS2 emulation coming in the fall:
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imma guess they kept it out to keep the ps2 console on the market and milk every last dollar out of it.. now its getting old, time to make all ps3 bc and finish off the sales of games.
 
I really don't see Sony doing this when they can release the games on the PS store and make everyone shill out a few bucks for them. Way more money in doing it as downloads than letting all PS3 have backwards capability.
 
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