PS3 to retail for $399, cost $494 to make

I'm kinda on the fence as to whether I will pay $400 for a PS3 (especially without a hard drive). I mean if the games look as good as the demos that were shown I'll start saving next month. However, alot of people online have been saying most of the games were prerendered and not real time so without a clear realization of what the system will do, the cost and alot more details (like if they will really push for developers to have hard drive support) I can't commit to buying a PS3 at launch. I usually wait about a year anyway, but I just want the facts and to get some real info from Sony and not the chest beating and questionable demos. It would be refreshing if more people in the game industry were as open and honest as Dan Houser from Rockstar Games. In the recent OPM he seemed very real and not giving fans the corporate mumbo jumbo.
 
If Xbox 360 does have a price drop and Halo 3 does come out on the day the PS3 is released it would probably hurt sales somewhat like you all think, but in the U.S. I doubt Halo 3 will have too much of an impact in Japan where it really counts, since Japan doesnt seem to like the Xbox and I doubt there will be a huge difference with Xbox 360, since more people in Japan might buy it than the Xbox, but I doubt the increase will be huge.
 
[quote name='whoknows']If Xbox 360 does have a price drop and Halo 3 does come out on the day the PS3 is released it would probably hurt sales somewhat like you all think, but in the U.S. I doubt Halo 3 will have too much of an impact in Japan where it really counts, since Japan doesnt seem to like the Xbox and I doubt there will be a huge difference with Xbox 360, since more people in Japan might buy it than the Xbox, but I doubt the increase will be huge.[/QUOTE]

japan and europe dont have anywhere near as big of a consumer base for video games compared to north america. not sure why you think japan is where it really counts. In fact, the xbox is not doing well in either japan or europe compared to the gamecube or ps2, but the software is selling very well in the usa so that more than offsets their losses overseas and makes nintendo a distant 3rd in sales overall.

if japan really was "where it really counts" then the gamecube would be a close second to the ps2 and the xbox would be a distant number 3.
 
[quote name='Blitz']Most of the people who buy systems don't care how much they have to pay as long as they can get the games they want. A system is only as good as it's software. Which is why the PS2 sold so well....[/QUOTE]
Either you're blind or you didn't buy the system at launch :D PS2 1st gen games were a jaggy-fest. Soul Calibur on Dreamcast put the PS2 to shame (1st & 2nd gen). But Sony's rabid fans blindly accepted the new system.
 
[quote name='dracula']japan and europe dont have anywhere near as big of a consumer base for video games compared to north america. not sure why you think japan is where it really counts. In fact, the xbox is not doing well in either japan or europe compared to the gamecube or ps2, but the software is selling very well in the usa so that more than offsets their losses overseas and makes nintendo a distant 3rd in sales overall.

if japan really was "where it really counts" then the gamecube would be a close second to the ps2 and the xbox would be a distant number 3.[/QUOTE]

I fail to see your logic, doing good in on region is better than doing good in two or three?
 
[quote name='whoknows']If Xbox 360 does have a price drop and Halo 3 does come out on the day the PS3 is released it would probably hurt sales somewhat like you all think, but in the U.S. I doubt Halo 3 will have too much of an impact in Japan where it really counts, since Japan doesnt seem to like the Xbox and I doubt there will be a huge difference with Xbox 360, since more people in Japan might buy it than the Xbox, but I doubt the increase will be huge.[/QUOTE]
Things change.

In all of the articles on the 360, I keep seeing promises that the console will perform much better in Japan than the first Xbox did. Having Hironobu Sakaguchi (the man who created Final Fantasy) on boad for a few exclusive titles is bound to help, if nothing else does.

Besides...if the Xbox can perform as well as it has when its market is primarily American, wouldn't a decrease in American PS3 sales be success enough for them?
 
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus']Things change.

In all of the articles on the 360, I keep seeing promises that the console will perform much better in Japan than the first Xbox did. Having Hironobu Sakaguchi (the man who created Final Fantasy) on boad for a few exclusive titles is bound to help, if nothing else does.

Besides...if the Xbox can perform as well as it has when its market is primarily American, wouldn't a decrease in American PS3 sales be success enough for them?[/QUOTE]

I said that the Xbox 360 will probably sell better than the Xbox. My point is that even if it does take some sales away due to price drop and/or halo 3, it wont be anywhere close enough to kill off the PS3 or put the PS3 in trouble sale wise.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Actually the disk read error was cause by improper lubrication of the laser arm, a mistake that they won't make twice.[/QUOTE]
You're right. This time it will be a wardrobe malfunction :D

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[quote name='n8n8baby']i know it's prob been said before, but if u imported japanese games, saturn was the jam. of course, i love fighters and shmups, so i guess that might be why i love saturn. but i definitely played my saturn more than any other console since, unless u count sf3 on xbox live ;)

btw the $399 included Virtua Fighter, and they sent u the free VF Remix if u registered.[/QUOTE]
Glad to see a gamer in the know. Saturn was an awesome system. You have to import to appreciate it. :D
 
[quote name='whoknows']If Xbox 360 does have a price drop and Halo 3 does come out on the day the PS3 is released it would probably hurt sales somewhat like you all think, but in the U.S. I doubt Halo 3 will have too much of an impact in Japan where it really counts, since Japan doesnt seem to like the Xbox and I doubt there will be a huge difference with Xbox 360, since more people in Japan might buy it than the Xbox, but I doubt the increase will be huge.[/QUOTE]
Blue Dragon will be the Halo 3 of Japan.
 
[quote name='alongx']To refute three of your points:

PS2 came out March 21, I believe (3/21 as opposed to the PS1s release on 12/3). While inaccurate, that wouldn't be a terrible estimate.

PS2 launched at, if I remember correctly, the same 39,800 yen that PS1 launched for. Again, their estimate isn't accurate, but it's at least in the same ballpark.

PS2 also had a relatively shitty launch lineup. Many games didn't even necessarily look up to Dreamcast standards.

Now, with that out of the way, I think you may have gotten your facts a little backward, because I can't seem to find any such estimates from 6 years ago anywhere. If you could provide a link to an old article, that'd be appreciated. However, as it stands, I'm fairly certain that the estimates provided here are at least in the right range.[/QUOTE]

It's in an issue of PSM from late 1999. It has FF8 on the cover, but I forget the month. I kept it for the huge FF8 guide it had.
 
[quote name='dracula']japan and europe dont have anywhere near as big of a consumer base for video games compared to north america. not sure why you think japan is where it really counts.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, Japanese games drive the market. True, Japanese and European sales combined aren't as large as the US alone. However, a lot of the titles which American gamers get the most excited about are developed in Japan. The Final Fantasies, Zeldas, etc., all Japanese developed. So, naturally, the console that sells best in Japan tends to get the most Japanese developed content. Which, in turn, tends to drive US sales.
 
Xbox360 can't overtake the PS3 without Japan. However, if it can increase it's American and European market share they can make it close. Plus Microsoft has been improving their relations with most Japanese game designers so they too will have final fantasy games and Blue Dragon should be huge for them.

Xbox360 doesn't have to overtake sony in this generation but by next console generation they should. If they don't then I would start to worry.
 
sony will charge what they want, when they want, and you can't complain, because its a work of art, and when an architect designs a beautiful peice of architecture nobody complains and its sony so you'll buy it. Now. No complaining, damnit. Buy it.

fuck sony and their hype machine.
 
[quote name='n8n8baby']i know it's prob been said before, but if u imported japanese games, saturn was the jam. of course, i love fighters and shmups, so i guess that might be why i love saturn. but i definitely played my saturn more than any other console since, unless u count sf3 on xbox live

btw the $399 included Virtua Fighter, and they sent u the free VF Remix if u registered.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='CappyCobra']Either you're blind or you didn't buy the system at launch PS2 1st gen games were a jaggy-fest. Soul Calibur on Dreamcast put the PS2 to shame (1st & 2nd gen). But Sony's rabid fans blindly accepted the new system.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='CappyCobra']Glad to see a gamer in the know. Saturn was an awesome system. You have to import to appreciate it. :D[/QUOTE]

Good to see others feel the same way. The Saturn did things the PS just could not/would not do, 99.999% arcade perfect fighters for one. I really wish they would have made a compliation of the Capcom/Marvel vs series before they lost the license.

I feel the DC was cut way short of what it could have been, while I have both, I think the PS2 still hasn't shown me it's really that much superior to the good ol' DC. Hell, Soul Calibur is still best on the Dreamcast IMHO.
 
I've never bought a console on launch. When a new console comes out, there's so much goodness on the replaced console that becomes cheap. I know Sony clams they still back their older systems, but you know within a year of launch, almost all PS2 games will be within the $4.99 to $19.99 range. There's so much I haven't got to experience with the Gamecube and PS2 that it might take me a year or so to catch up and by that time, the first big price drop will kick in.

And regardless of the price of the PS3, you know there will be another chaotic sell day. My brother worked at EB at the time, and he was able to pre-order his PS2 early, so he had one waiting. Upon leaving the store through the mall back door, a lady approached him and offer him $500 cash-in-hand. He turned her down, of course. But what was the launch price vs. the ebay selling price for PS2's? And you know ebay sold everyone of them reasonably auctioned (even the bastards selling just the boxes), so I think Xbox 360 will be able to hamper the PS3 launch date in any way.

I'm not saying I'm picking sides. You just KNOW it's going to happen. Period.
 
This will be an interesting gen to watch. Nobody has 'won' three times in a row, and nobody has 'won' when launching over $299. If Sony launches at $299 they will have to overcome history to threepeat, which they could very well do. If they launch higher they'll have another historical hurdle to deal with.

I bought a PS2 at launch after having a PS1, but the only launch title that really excited me was SSX. I got much more enjoyment (for less money) from the Dreamcast launch a year earlier. The PS3 would be convenient because of backwards compatibility, but I'm finding myself increasingly turned off by Kutaragi's attitude. This whole thing about people working extra hours to buy one just doesn't make me want to give him my money.

I really hope Nintendo has something cool up it's sleeve. And I wish Sega still made consoles.
 
[quote name='LaraCroftsLeftBoob']that's why i'm trying for a free ps3 from one of those give away sites.[/QUOTE]

:lol: By the time you actually get it, it'd probably be marked down to 150. It took 6 months or better to get my free xbox. It was cool though, because all I needed to do was get 12 cds for $60 and subscribe to Netflix.
 
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