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handsomepete said:
well that sounds frightfully boring.
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I don't think so... cop drama with younger batman villains... All the norms will be there, albeit with some f them being kid versions. Cat Woman, Poison Ivy, The Penguin, and even the joker. So far early previews have brought some decent reviews for it.

 
Also, how can Marvel kill with it's movies, and yet DC can't... But DC can do pretty well with TV shows?  Smallville, Arrow, soon to be flash and Gotham?

I know Marvel will put there hand in the ring with its shows on Netflix, but it doesn't make sense to me. (other than batman of course)

 
Thermopyle said:
Looks like the new title for AC is indicative of it literally being a Rogue-like game. Premise of the new over-story is that the Animus is glitched and can't save progress. You start the game, run through it, then if you die you start over. Some other Rogue elements as well. Neat concept to throw into the series at this point, IMO.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/08/05/assassins-creed-rogue-trailer-leaks-revealing-release-date
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(Yes, I did click the link, you jerk. :razz:)

 
bestkeeper14 said:
Also, how can Marvel kill with it's movies, and yet DC can't... But DC can do pretty well with TV shows? Smallville, Arrow, soon to be flash and Gotham?

I know Marvel will put there hand in the ring with its shows on Netflix, but it doesn't make sense to me. (other than batman of course)
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How do you define "pretty well?" I'm confused.

 
bestkeeper14 said:
Also, how can Marvel kill with it's movies, and yet DC can't... But DC can do pretty well with TV shows? Smallville, Arrow, soon to be flash and Gotham?

I know Marvel will put there hand in the ring with its shows on Netflix, but it doesn't make sense to me. (other than batman of course)
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All of DC's characters and story lines (with the exception of Batman) are boring and do not work well for movies. However, there is enough to keep the average television watcher interested.

 
yeah, not to turn this in to a comic book quality debate because I certainly don't feel strongly one way or the other, but everything DC is total flaming crap and all things Marvel are a billion times better than everything else ever.
 
I know nothing about comics, but Batman is DC isnt it?  Batman isnt better than anything Marvel does?  How can that be?

IM BATMAN!  is like the coolest line evar!

 
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handsomepete said:
yeah, not to turn this in to a comic book quality debate because I certainly don't feel strongly one way or the other, but everything DC is total flaming crap and all things Marvel are a billion times better than everything else ever.
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Everything Batman > Everything Marvel. (maybe sparing Wolverine)
 
See.. I love all of DC.  For me I feel DC comes across a lot more realistic, while marvel is much more fantasy and colorful.  That may translate into movie better because of all the cgi needed and action.  Whereas DC is a lot more grounded, except for maybe Green lantern.  It's just very interesting.

 
handsomepete said:
yeah, not to turn this in to a comic book quality debate because I certainly don't feel strongly one way or the other, but everything DC is total flaming crap and all things Marvel are a billion times better than everything else ever.
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I don't read comics, but Batman is my favorite comic book character by far. Of course everyone knows how much I like Arrow, so I guess you could say I'm a fan of Green Arrow as well. The only "mainstream" comic book character I really dislike is Superman.

 
pharmacrest said:
I know nothing about comics, but Batman is DC isnt it? Batman isnt better than anything Marvel does? How can that be?

IM BATMAN! is like the coolest line evar!
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Batman is the exception to the rule. The rest of the DC Universe just seems too squeaky clean if I was forced to use a term to describe it.

 
SJD said:
Everything Batman > Everything Marvel. (maybe sparing Wolverine)
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Glad to see some people don't completely write off DC for Marvel. I love Marvel movies and all, but DC have some very interesting stories to tell, they just have to figure out how to properly do it.

 
Yeah no seriously this looks friggin glorious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsrGmIWxV0

May even have to day 1 this.

 
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Other than the Dark Knight trilogy, Marvel is miles ahead of DC. The fact that DC just won't buckle down and get all their movies/shows in the same universe after seeing what Marvel's done is absolutely retarded.
 
I think from a comic standpoint I am a DC fan all the way. I have a huge collection of DC and Vertigo stuff. Marvel, not so much. I just don't care about any of Marvel's big players (except Spider-Man). The only Marvel movies I've liked were the Spider-Man (Except 3, blech) and Guardians of the Galaxy. But I don't think any of them were as good as the Batman trilogy

Edit: So I guess I am a DC comic fan, but kind of a Marvel movie fan? Hard to say. My judgement of the Marvel movies is iffy because it depends on the characters I don't like so much.

 
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ProfessorStotch said:
Other than the Dark Knight trilogy, Marvel is miles ahead of DC. The fact that DC just won't buckle down and get all their movies/shows in the same universe after seeing what Marvel's done is absolutely retarded.
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I wish DC would do a movie for each major member of the Justice League and then do a movie, like how Marvel did Avengers. I would prefer that over whatever this Batman V Superman crap is.

 
endergeek123 said:
I think from a comic standpoint I am a DC fan all the way. I have a huge collection of DC and Vertigo stuff. Marvel, not so much. I just don't care about any of Marvel's big players (except Spider-Man). The only Marvel movies I've liked were the Spider-Man (Except 3, blech) and Guardians of the Galaxy. But I don't think any of them were as good as the Batman trilogy

Edit: So I guess I am a DC comic fan, but kind of a Marvel movie fan? Hard to say. My judgement of the Marvel movies is iffy because it depends on the characters I don't like so much.
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If you bring Vertigo into the picture DC does look better, I will give you that. However, the fact that DC needed the Vertigo label because they were a bunch of pussies afraid of pushing the envelope of the Comics Code Authority kind of helps prove my point about how watered down their characters were to begin with.

Batman was the only main DC book willing to go into darker story lines.

 
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GatorBeerGeek said:
If you bring Vertigo into the picture DC does look better, I will give you that. However, the fact that DC needed the Vertigo label because they were a bunch of pussies afraid of pushing the envelope of the Comics Code Authority kind of helps prove my point about how watered down their characters were to begin with.

Batman was the only main DC book willing to go into darker story lines.
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Yeah, especially right now I don't really feel like either of the big 2 have that much interesting going on. I'm behind on everything, but Scott Snyder's Batman is about the only thing off the top of my head.

I see a lot more interesting stuff coming from Vertigo and Image lately. I think in part it is just because the big 2 refuse to do any radical with the big established characters so it all just feels kind of safe.

 
Playing through the story on Injustice has got me a lot more interested in some of these DC characters. Besides Batman & Superman, Marvel seems to market their guys a lot better.

But I agree a connected movie universe similar to what Marvel is doing is the way to go.
 
ProfessorStotch said:
Vag, what are all the trophies for defeat the brothers, the son, the chemical? Feel free to explain in spoilers.
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Remix bosses. After you beat a boss, you will get an Obol item related to it when you pray at a statue. When you die at any point after getting that item, Charon will take it when you reenter the castle and you can fight a tougher version of that boss if you revisit its door. The good thing is that you don't actually fight these Remix bosses as your character but as varying pre-defined ones, so if you die, you can immediately try again without suffering any consequences. The potentially bad thing is that you have to learn how to use that "new" character's unique abilities to beat the boss (pause and hit Square to see the abilities), so any strategy you had before may become moot.

The final boss even has a Remix version, so you'll get his Obol during New Game+. You need to beat all of the Remix bosses to unlock the final class, which is needed for the Katagelasticism trophy (enter the final boss's chamber while using a character of that final class).

 
I heard that the animated DC movies are actually pretty violent and well done. I haven't really watched any of them though.

 
bestkeeper14 said:
Also, how can Marvel kill with it's movies, and yet DC can't... But DC can do pretty well with TV shows? Smallville, Arrow, soon to be flash and Gotham?

I know Marvel will put there hand in the ring with its shows on Netflix, but it doesn't make sense to me. (other than batman of course)
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The success of the Tim Burton Batman movies pretty much directly led to the string of animated hits: Batman the Animated Series, Superman the Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Justice League, and then the string of direct-to-DVD, quality movies starting in 2007 and still going today. This ensured that not only how to tell good DC stories in short form, but all these characters were in the public consciousness of children and young adults who weren't even necessarily comic book fans. Kids who grew up at those animated series and DVD movies still watch them and the live action TV series as teenagers and adults.

If you weren't a comic book person (I am not) you probably didn't know much about marvel other than the x-men and Spider-man through the success of their animated programs. It's no accident that the first break out Marvel movie was X-Men as that is the property the country at large was most familiar with due to the cartoon, that and the filmmakers treated the source material seriously. Other than Blade 2 (due to the success of Blade 1 prior to X-men). It's also no accident that the next property they adapted was the second most well known character, Spider-man.

After several critical and box office hits Marvel as a brand name nearly imploded with absolute crap from 2005-2007. Marvel then rebooted with an ambitious plan in 2008 to create a connected cinematic Avengers universe. A nearly unbroken string of quality movies followed. With the huge success of Iron Man and other previously bit players, they have finally entered the public consciousness and there is a hunger for television programming which delves deeper into that world so they are playing catch up, DC had like a 15 year head start in TV. Avenger's: Earth's Mightiest Heroes was quite good and was probably most people's first exposure to the Marvel universe at large. it's a shame they murdered it in order to create a series that more closely matched the Avengers film.

 
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Well, you could say Marvel is raking the money thanks to Iron Man...nay, Robert Downey Jr. I could care less for the rest (Thor? I'll bash the head of somebody defending the lead and story. Only good thing in it? Idris Elba. Captain America? You mean Chris Evans, aka Human Torch? Yeah, remember FF?)

I'd take The Nolan Bat trilogy over any Marvel movie with the possible exception of Iron Man. Yet, Downey is in the same boat as Hugh Jackman, since they play their characters so well even with a crappy script. Hell, Henry Cavill acts better than Hemsworth or Evans, and Superman is not on my list of favorites.
 
SJD said:
Well, you could say Marvel is raking the money thanks to Iron Man...nay, Robert Downey Jr. I could care less for the rest (Thor? I'll bash the head of somebody defending the lead and story. Only good thing in it? Idris Elba. Captain America? You mean Chris Evans, aka Human Torch? Yeah, remember FF?)

I'd take The Nolan Bat trilogy over any Marvel movie with the possible exception of Iron Man. Yet, Downey is in the same boat as Hugh Jackman, since they play their characters so well even with a crappy script. Hell, Henry Cavill acts better than Hemsworth or Evans, and Superman is not on my list of favorites.
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I can't really pinpoint why I dislike Superman so much, but I do. Maybe it's the obnoxious suit he wears.

 
DC handed over the reigns to Christopher Nolan to do whatever he wanted with Batman.  Batman Begins came out in 2005, then Iron Man came out in 2008 (same as Dark Knight).  So they had to let Nolan wrap up his thing, and they tried to get some other stuff going that was not so great (Green Lantern).  Now they're so behind in creating a linked movie universe that they're scrambling to catch up with Marvel and I don't think they're going about it the right way.

 
The DC animated stuff is amazing and highly recommended for anyone who wants to expand their knowledge of Batman Comic lore.  I own all the Batman ones.  Batman Gotham Knight is a collection of Batman comics done by different artists and writers which is awesome!!  Batman under the red hood is the Red hood comic done pretty well.  Batman Year one is again a straight adaptation of the same comic.  Same with the dark knight returns that is just awesome and highly recommended.  Then there is Son of batman, which I own but haven't watched yet.  And lastly is the upcoming release of assault on Arkham which will follow the video games story line!!!

DC has the animated stuff down!

 
Backlog_Overload said:
I can't really pinpoint why I dislike Superman so much, but I do. Maybe it's the obnoxious suit he wears.
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I haven't delved deeply into the lore of DC, but doesn't Marvel have a ton of characters based on all mythologies that exist? (Ahem, Thor being their most popular) So original.
 
SJD said:
Well, you could say Marvel is raking the money thanks to Iron Man...nay, Robert Downey Jr. I could care less for the rest (Thor? I'll bash the head of somebody defending the lead and story. Only good thing in it? Idris Elba. Captain America? You mean Chris Evans, aka Human Torch? Yeah, remember FF?)

I'd take The Nolan Bat trilogy over any Marvel movie with the possible exception of Iron Man. Yet, Downey is in the same boat as Hugh Jackman, since they play their characters so well even with a crappy script. Hell, Henry Cavill acts better than Hemsworth or Evans, and Superman is not on my list of favorites.
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Bringing up the Fantastic Four movies as part of this is just about as useless as bringing up the Spider-Man movies. Those 2 franchises movie rights are unfortunately are not controlled by Marvel and were not made by them.

With that said, I am not sure what Marvel was thinking with the Thor movies. The only positive side effect I see of that is having story lines for the TV show revolving around Asgard. I guess you did need him for the Avengers, but it seems like they had a lot of better options to pull from than him.

 
SJD said:
Well, you could say Marvel is raking the money thanks to Iron Man...nay, Robert Downey Jr. I could care less for the rest (Thor? I'll bash the head of somebody defending the lead and story. Only good thing in it? Idris Elba. Captain America? You mean Chris Evans, aka Human Torch? Yeah, remember FF?)

I'd take The Nolan Bat trilogy over any Marvel movie with the possible exception of Iron Man. Yet, Downey is in the same boat as Hugh Jackman, since they play their characters so well even with a crappy script. Hell, Henry Cavill acts better than Hemsworth or Evans, and Superman is not on my list of favorites.
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I think The Winter Soldier is the best Marvel movie thus far (that may change after I see Guardians of the Galaxy tomorrow), and that was directed by two brothers whose backgrounds included You, Me, and Dupree and several episodes of Community.

If Marvel can extract such a great film from guys like that, then I anticipate how Ant-Man will look with director Peyton Reed, known for classics like Yes Man and Bring It On.

 
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Vigilante said:
I think The Winter Soldier is the best Marvel movie thus far (that may change after I see Guardians of the Galaxy tomorrow), and that was directed by two brothers whose backgrounds included You, Me, and Dupree and several episodes of Community.
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I disliked Winter Soldier. Found it to be worse than The First Avenger (Dat Hugo Weaving). Action sequences were great though.
 
Vigilante said:
I think The Winter Soldier is the best Marvel movie thus far (that may change after I see Guardians of the Galaxy tomorrow), and that was directed by two brothers whose backgrounds included You, Me, and Dupree and several episodes of Community.

If Marvel can extract such a great film from guys like that, then I anticipate how Ant-Man will look with director Peyton Reed, known for classics like Yes Man and Bring It On.
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You forget the Marvel hivemind directs the movies. That is why Edgard Wright left and was even supported by some inside.
 
SJD said:
I disliked Winter Soldier. Found it to be worse than The First Avenger (Dat Hugo Weaving). Action sequences were great though.
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You're the first person I've seen say they disliked Winter Soldier. It received pretty much universal praise just as Guardians seems to be.

 
Vigilante said:
Remix bosses. After you beat a boss, you will get an Obol item related to it when you pray at a statue. When you die at any point after getting that item, Charon will take it when you reenter the castle and you can fight a tougher version of that boss if you revisit its door. The good thing is that you don't actually fight these Remix bosses as your character but as varying pre-defined ones, so if you die, you can immediately try again without suffering any consequences. The potentially bad thing is that you have to learn how to use that "new" character's unique abilities to beat the boss (pause and hit Square to see the abilities), so any strategy you had before may become moot.

The final boss even has a Remix version, so you'll get his Obol during New Game+. You need to beat all of the Remix bosses to unlock the final class, which is needed for the Katagelasticism trophy (enter the final boss's chamber while using a character of that final class).
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Found the one in the castle. Holy fuck is it hard. He just keeps doing the rotating fireballs and I always get hit, no matter what I do.
 
Vigilante said:
I think The Winter Soldier is the best Marvel movie thus far (that may change after I see Guardians of the Galaxy tomorrow), and that was directed by two brothers whose backgrounds included You, Me, and Dupree and several episodes of Community.
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Eh. Both CA movies had the same problem; they start well, try to make a play for characterization, then a little ways in they say "fuck it" and just run a bunch of poorly-strung action scenes against a poorly-defined enemy that you don't care about at all. Hugo Weaving was completely wasted and the second movie didn't even have a real villain character.

Edit: Thinking about it now, I can't even remember the villain even though I saw it a month ago. That's how bad the second movie was.

Edit2: Just remembered. Yeah, that was a crap villain too. So pointless and obvious.

 
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ProfessorStotch said:
Found the one in the castle. Holy fuck is it hard. He just keeps doing the rotating fireballs and I always get hit, no matter what I do.
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You have to move with the rotation. Use the multi-air-jump when jumping over him, and keep spamming your mega-spell-version Sword Wall (Triangle) while hitting him normally to recover enough MP to continue spamming. Otherwise, consult Youtube.

Good luck, especially with the other ones (I consider the one in The Maya to be the hardest)... ;)

 
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CAiNiAC said:
You're the first person I've seen say they disliked Winter Soldier. It received pretty much universal praise just as Guardians seems to be.
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Hugo. Weaving. We can all pretty much agree that Keanu Reeves didn't carry the Matrix trilogy by himself. I'd say 50% Weaving, 30% Fishbourne, 15% Moss, 5% Reeves.
 
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