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Vigilante said:
Guys, come on. Are you really going to do this again? :shame:
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Different point entirely, since he said playing it multiple times to get all the trophies made it a "shitty game".

That bugs me, similar to the way it bothers me when people avoid a game they'd probably get lots of enjoyment out of just because they think they won't be able to get all the trophies. Why deprive yourself of a great experience just for that reason? It's silly.

 
SJD said:
The multiplayer aspect is fun and it will remain that way until everybody figures it out... tomorrow. I'll play the campaign later today. So yes, the game is fun, but picking it up late will mean going up against prestiges who will just smack you around. It was yesterday, and the first lobby had level 30s in it.
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Again, if you stay away from that part, it's fine. Co-op is fun and you just play bots.

 
Backlog_Overload said:
All around. Sounds like the MP has more of a cooperative focus which makes me a bit more interested.
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You might want to also look at Ghosts. The campaign was quite good and the alien invasion MP mode is very much co-op focused and enjoyable. If you're not playing with people who are at least halfway decent the co-op MP can be a pain, though.

 
Thermopyle said:
...and nobody is forcing you to criticize what I enjoy or don't enjoy about games, but you still repeatedly do that. I can see how if you want to be really nitpicky about the specific language I used then yes I did say a game with a shitty trophy list is a shitty game, but I think most people realize I was exaggerating there.
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Not really criticizing you, I'm just pointing out that with that mindset you may miss something you'd really enjoy just because you don't like the trophy list. Kinda silly to do that to yourself.

 
Backlog_Overload said:
So Stotch and Matt (and whoever else may have the game), do you guys like Advanced Warfare? I haven't played a Call of Duty game since CoD 3. Might look to pick it up sometime in the future.
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I haven't played but the first 2 or 3 story missions. But aside from shiny graphics and some cool toys...it feels like the same CoD campaigns I remember not really liking from before. Everything is linear "follow your guys, go here, do this", there is no exploration, everything is super scripted. Unskippable cutscenes.

I haven't played the MP, but like SJD said, unless you're playing with friends it's likely to be not much fun. I'd at least wait on a substantial price drop unless you're gonna flip it pretty quick.

 
Backlog_Overload said:
Different point entirely, since he said playing it multiple times to get all the trophies made it a "shitty game".

That bugs me, similar to the way it bothers me when people avoid a game they'd probably get lots of enjoyment out of just because they think they won't be able to get all the trophies. Why deprive yourself of a great experience just for that reason? It's silly.
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But didn't you say earlier that you should have known better than to argue stuff with Therm?

 
laundrymatt said:
I haven't played but the first 2 or 3 story missions. But aside from shiny graphics and some cool toys...it feels like the same CoD campaigns I remember not really liking from before. Everything is linear "follow your guys, go here, do this", there is no exploration, everything is super scripted. Unskippable cutscenes.

I haven't played the MP, but like SJD said, unless you're playing with friends it's likely to be not much fun. I'd at least wait on a substantial price drop unless you're gonna flip it pretty quick.
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So...what bestkeeper and I plan on doing, then. Got it. :razz:

 
Backlog_Overload said:
Not really criticizing you, I'm just pointing out that with that mindset you may miss something you'd really enjoy just because you don't like the trophy list. Kinda silly to do that to yourself.
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Oh, I don't pass up games because of it. It's just frustrating, is all. It's like taking a test to demonstrate your knowledge of a subject, but the best score you can get is a C unless you retake the test multiple times for extra credit. A trophy list should similarly be a scorecard for how much of the game you experienced; adding arbitrary tasks that show no relevant competency just decreases your apparent score for no reason. If somebody likes a game enough they can replay it multiple times without a trophy incentive, so there's no real gain by putting that in place. It's a flawed concept IMO.

 
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bestkeeper14 said:
50 waves on tier one maps, 75 waves on tier two maps, after you unlock tier 2(otherwise they don't count, and then 100 waves on tier 3 maps before you unlock tier four. needless to say, a lot of playing in order to get to tier 4. much easier to find someone who has unlocked tier 4 and play riot with them.
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But you have to play 50 games anyway. At 225 waves, that's only 4.5 per game to unlock it yourself.
 
Thermopyle said:
Oh, I don't pass up games because of it. It's just frustrating, is all. It's like taking a test to demonstrate your knowledge of a subject, but the best score you can get is a C unless you retake the test multiple times for extra credit. A trophy list should similarly be a scorecard for how much of the game you experienced; adding arbitrary tasks that show no relevant competency just decreases your apparent score for no reason. If somebody likes a game enough they can replay it multiple times without a trophy incentive, so there's no real gain by putting that in place. It's a flawed concept IMO.
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I know what your saying... I will still play a game no matter the trophy. But a bad trophy list, I.E. grinding or online trophies will make me get rid of the game quicker and not hold onto it as long.

 
It's a Call of Duty game. You can skip five years and not miss out on anything. They don't add anything to these games, they just make them a little prettier.
 
I'm not saying that all games that require multiple playthroughs have bad trophies, btw, just ones that don't reveal additional gameplay or story when you do. To continue the test analogy, it's like taking the same version of the same test 3 times versus three variants of the same test that ask different questions and demonstrate different facets of knowledge on the same subject. You know, like when you have a class where the teacher hands out three versions of the test to try to prevent cheating; the same basic material is being covered, but the experience is different for each version.

Tales of Xillia for example has two main characters and you choose which one you want to run through it with, which changes the narrative and reveals more about what's going on. Trophies that encourage people to experience both sides of that are good; Tales of Symphonia doesn't reveal anything extra by making you run through it 4-5 times to get all the trophies, so it's got a bad trophy list.

 
Thermopyle said:
Oh, I don't pass up games because of it. It's just frustrating, is all. It's like taking a test to demonstrate your knowledge of a subject, but the best score you can get is a C unless you retake the test multiple times for extra credit. A trophy list should similarly be a scorecard for how much of the game you experienced; adding arbitrary tasks that show no relevant competency just decreases your apparent score for no reason. If somebody likes a game enough they can replay it multiple times without a trophy incentive, so there's no real gain by putting that in place. It's a flawed concept IMO.
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Yeah I know how you feel on that, just kinda seemed like you were avoiding the game on account of it.

 
ProfessorStotch said:
It's a Call of Duty game. You can skip five years and not miss out on anything. They don't add anything to these games, they just make them a little prettier.
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Zombies are my favorite part, but I'm not sure how Sledgehammer will do with it. There is supposedly gonna be a DLC that is all zombies related. I might have to get that. I'm just wondering if they had assistance from Treyarch, or if this is their own thing. Other than a new Black Ops (or whatever Treyarch makes next), I won't be getting another CoD game. I guess I probably would have benefited more from grabbing a cheap resell/phantom of Ghosts+SP, as I think I'd be much more inclined to play the Extinction mode. But whatever, I'll get $10 out of it I hope.

 
Zimm108 said:
No doubt. Can we talk about when the store updates please? Or maybe bad dick jokes? Or maybe the best "That's what she said" you've ever heard? Something?
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Does anyone else have an election day ritual? I usually get up an hour earlier, go to the polls, then stop somewhere to have a quick breakfast before work.

Also for no particular reason, (youtube) Die Hard: the Musical

 
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Backlog_Overload said:
Yeah I know how you feel on that, just kinda seemed like you were avoiding the game on account of it.
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Naa. A good trophy list can encourage me to play a game, sure, but I'm not going to skip something because it doesn't have trophies or has a bad list. Like right now I'm going for the Demon Gaze plat. The remaining trophies are going to be a bit time consuming, but that time is spent actively working directly towards the trophies and emphasis a part of the gameplay that I didn't pay much attention to during the main story. I've absolutely no problem with something like that. If I had to run through the 30-40 hour story again just to grab one or two trophies, though...well, fuck that, I'd just write the game off as completed and move on, but with a bitter aftertaste of "Goddammit I finished that game in any logical fashion, but now I'm stuck with an 'Incomplete' grade for it."

 
Thermopyle said:
I'm not saying that all games that require multiple playthroughs have bad trophies, btw, just ones that don't reveal additional gameplay or story when you do. To continue the test analogy, it's like taking the same version of the same test 3 times versus three variants of the same test that ask different questions and demonstrate different facets of knowledge on the same subject. You know, like when you have a class where the teacher hands out three versions of the test to try to prevent cheating; the same basic material is being covered, but the experience is different for each version.

Tales of Xillia for example has two main characters and you choose which one you want to run through it with, which changes the narrative and reveals more about what's going on. Trophies that encourage people to experience both sides of that are good; Tales of Symphonia doesn't reveal anything extra by making you run through it 4-5 times to get all the trophies, so it's got a bad trophy list.
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NIER is a great example of a game where multiple playthroughs reveal more story elements each time and count towards the plat.

Regarding Tales of Xillia, though, I felt it didn't need two character paths since Milla's story felt rushed and didn't really add much, if anything, to the overall plot. You could definitely tell that Jude's story was given more attention. But I digress--Xillia 2 is just better overall. :D/

 
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Vigilante said:
NIER is a great example of a game where multiple playthroughs reveal more story elements each time and count towards the plat.

Regarding Tales of Xillia, though, I felt it didn't need two character paths since Milla's story felt rushed and didn't really add much, if anything, to the overall plot. You could definitely tell that Jude's story was given more attention. But I digress--Xillia 2 is just better overall. :D/
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That's good to know, I'll keep that in mind when I play it. Thanks.

 
Vigilante said:
NIER is a great example of a game where multiple playthroughs reveal more story elements each time and count towards the plat.

Regarding Tales of Xillia, though, I felt it didn't need two character paths since Milla's story felt rushed and didn't really add much, if anything, to the overall plot. You could definitely tell that Jude's story was given more attention. But I digress--Xillia 2 is just better overall. :D/
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I still have to play NIER...longer games can be a bit intimidating, though.

I haven't actually played ToX yet, I just know there are two character stories to run through. Regardless of whether both are good I'd still say trophies encouraging you to play both sides is a good choice, though. Having one story be clearly better than the other is a failure in a different area, not of the trophy list.

 
Thermopyle said:
I still have to play NIER...longer games can be a bit intimidating, though.

I haven't actually played ToX yet, I just know there are two character stories to run through. Regardless of whether both are good I'd still say trophies encouraging you to play both sides is a good choice, though. Having one story be clearly better than the other is a failure in a different area, not of the trophy list.
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What's funny is that I saved the "Complete Milla's Story" trophy for last on a NG+, so I effectively rushed through a 20-30 hour JRPG (Ignoring the side quests since I did them already) just to get that trophy and the plat, and I know how you feel about that. :lol:

 
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Thermopyle said:
I still have to play NIER...longer games can be a bit intimidating, though.
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I think I only spent like 30-35 hours to see all the endings in NIER. You start back around the halfway point or maybe a little after with new game plus, so it's not like 3 complete playthroughs. You can reload before the final battle on your third playthrough to get the fourth ending.

 
I'm interested to see what the Rebirth completion stats end up being like. After 3 years original Isaac being out, only about 3% of all people who opened the game on Steam got all the achievements.

 
Has there been any mention on the file size for Tales of Hearts r? Still haven't decided if I want to go physical or digital for this one. 

 
Sagemoon said:
Has there been any mention on the file size for Tales of Hearts r? Still haven't decided if I want to go physical or digital for this one.
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The Japanese version is 1625mb or 1465mb for different listings. Possibly the difference is costumes and such for the pre-order? Not sure. The NA release should be very close to the same size since they just subbed it.

 
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I don't care if people vote or don't vote, personal choice I guess. It'd be great if everyone voted, but that would never happen. The one thing that I can't stand is when someone sits there and complains about everything going on in government/the country and doesn't even vote or attempt to be involved in the process at all.
 
I do think that if you plan to play a Vita game soon after release that you should absolutely get a physical copy. We get so few games physically. Buying physical helps encourage other games to be released the same way, which leads to more shelf space and advertising for the system in stores. The ability to resell the game later is just a nice bonus. Buy the cart if it's available and you want to play the game.

Pretty much the only arguments for a digital purchase are cheaper price (which takes a while for most games), hording, and cross-buy. Cross-buy is a legitimate reason to go digital, but most of those don't get physical releases anyway. 

 
Backlog_Overload said:
This should always be the answer.

Unless you gameshare or something I guess.
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You can't gameshare Vita games. Not without losing the ability to track those games on your main PSN profile, anyway.

I've never voted. Though with this election I'm wishing I'd registered. There's some crazy shit going on in Tennessee this year. Even the churches are jumping in and saying "Vote against this anti-abortion bill, it's terrible!"

 
Thermopyle said:
The Japanese version is 1625mb or 1465mb for different listings. Possibly the difference is costumes and such for the pre-order? Not sure. The NA release should be very close to the same size since they just subbed it.
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Thanks. Tried looking around for the size, but didn't think about just looking up the Japanese version.

simmias said:
Physical!
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I typically go digital for Vita since the carts are so small and I don't like swapping them out. Really considering the physical copy for this one though since it'll be a somewhat limited release.

 
Backlog_Overload said:
This should always be the answer.

Unless you gameshare or something I guess.
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As your kid gets older and starts wanting to play games by himself, you might change your tune a bit. I am buying LBP3 digital since it is for my kid's birthday, and I do not want him changing games in and out of the PS4 when he wants to play it. I have taught him to be careful with them, but it still makes me nervous especially since I play so many rentals and do not want a game to suddenly stop working when I am half way through it.

Having a younger kid who loves to play, I really love the older consoles with the carts instead of discs. I dont have to worry about him ruining every game he has because of scratches.

 
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