PSP has some good games. Just throwing that out there.

[quote name='icruise']It's not contradictory at all. I'm simply saying:

1. Any statements about the relative quality of games are opinions, therefore the idea that the PSP has no good games is not based in fact.[/QUOTE]

I know I'm being a bit abstract here, so I appreciate your good will on this.

Now, I happen to agree that the "PSP has no good games" statement is not accurate. But, that said, if we accept that all such value judgements are subjective, then we can't argue that while "the PSP has no good games" is opinion, the opposite ("the PSP DOES have good games") is fact -- which is a mistake many make, even in this thread. Your own post, where you say the PSP-lacks-games view is simply a matter of opinion, ends on a 180, with "The PSP has some truly fun great games!" I'll say it again: you can't have it both ways.

[quote name='icruise']2. Even if you agree with the commonly accepted idea that reviews are a good way of judging the quality of games, it's still not based in fact, since there are a lot of well-reviewed PSP games.[/QUOTE]

That's fairly true. I prefer to get my aggregate score from gamerankings, rather than a single site (per the OP), personally. Now, one could also argue that there are issues with the ratings games are getting for various reasons (for example, portable versions of already successful franchises scoring better than more hit-or-miss, built from the ground up games, even if just out of familiarity to the reviewer) but that's a whole ’nother can of worms.

[quote name='icruise']So no matter how you look at it, there is no scenario that I can think of where "the PSP has no good games" is a true statement. Does that make sense?[/QUOTE]

Well, I'd argue that it's true in the same world where the Xbox had no good games beyond Halo, and Nintendo is for kids, etc, etc. They're no more "fact" than the point we're debating now, but it's a world the vasty majority of gamers are more than happy to live in. I respect and commend your desire to not accept the common wisdom at face value, as long at it's applied across the board.
 
PSP has too many games that are "easy 8/10" games like Warriors, Def Jam, NBA 07, etc. that pad the scores so it doesn't say much whenever someone says PSP has a great lineup because X amount of games score 80% or more. Regardless of the scores, the PSP is lacking in games that people care about. Take a 7/10 game like Hotel Dusk or Phoenix Wright and every message board including this one has threads devoted to those games filled with hundreds of replies and thousands of views because the game is fun or unique or both.

A game like Def Jam or the Warriors or SSX might get 8/10, but I'm willing to bet all of the posts in every 80% game that PSP has combined won't match the amount of posts in one Phoenix Wright thread. The main problem is that it has too many good games that no one cares about because developers don't try all that hard for it. While a "flawed" DS game will be getting all the attention because at least developers try to achieve something new with it.

With that being said, all it takes is a little Square Enix support (like when Crisis Core hits) and I'll buy one. Just nothing interesting out at the moment for me.
 
So then the stereotype for the PSP is that it 'has no good games'?

Kinda like Nintendo is kiddy.
XBOX only has shooters.
PCs eat babies.

etc?

Ohhhhhhhh ok.
I won't participate in these kind of threads anymore then.
 
[quote name='trq']Your own post, where you say the PSP-lacks-games view is simply a matter of opinion, ends on a 180, with "The PSP has some truly fun great games!" I'll say it again: you can't have it both ways.[/quote]
Did you miss the first sentence of that paragraph, where I make it clear that what I am saying is my opinion? I even italicized the word for you.
 
[quote name='dallow']So then the stereotype for the PSP is that it 'has no good games'?

Kinda like Nintendo is kiddy.
XBOX only has shooters.
PCs eat babies.

etc?

Ohhhhhhhh ok.
I won't participate in these kind of threads anymore then.[/quote]Pretty much. The above 3 don't seem easily shaken, I adresay the PSP's won't either.
 
[quote name='daroga']This I agree with 100%. The PSP is already following in the PS2's footsteps and get value software out there fast. The fact that Mario 64 DS is still $30-$35 is insane. I know Nintendo can make more money off of having games that still sell being full MSRP, but I think they'd make more money in volume if they cut the prices a bit.

Seeing Daxter hit GH status and the unit itself get a price cut makes the whole thing more appealing to me. It's still too expensive for the games I know I'll like (Mega Man PU, Castlevania Rondo) or the ones I want to try (Daxter, Lumines), but at least I know I could get some games for $20 new, maybe even $15 used. But the DS? Even billion-iteration Nintendogs is still full price as far as I know. Yikes.[/QUOTE]

I'm only buying DS games as they go on Sale... I made the mistake of buying Sonic at full price and oh god how I was punished... I hated that game (and that is my non fanboy opinion - I don't want to get the forum closed) oh well I did buy Mario at full price, but it had just come out... but for now own..... no more than 19.99 for DS games.... will I spend.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I'm only buying DS games as they go on Sale... I made the mistake of buying Sonic at full price and oh god how I was punished... I hated that game (and that is my non fanboy opinion - I don't want to get the forum closed) oh well I did buy Mario at full price, but it had just come out... but for now own..... no more than 19.99 for DS games.... will I spend.[/quote]You didn't like Sonic Rush? That's a bummer. Did you like the Genesis Sonic games? I thought that Sonic Rush was easily the best Sonic game not on a Genesis cartridge. Really, for my tastes, Sonic Rush and Secret Rings are the only two that have been really worthwhile since Sonic & Knuckles. Granted the Adventures and Advance games had their moments, but overall, meh. I loved Rush though.

But I hear ya on the $20 cap. Though some games I've gotten more than my money's worth out of (Mario Kart DS, NSMB, C: DoS, etc.), so every now and then a game hits that is worth its MSRP. That's the problem with handheld games, though, especially on Nintendo systems. Without a robust GH-type lineup they very often go out of print before they see a price drop.
 
[quote name='davidjinfla']Well the ds donesn't have any good baseball games so that means it totally sucks as a handheld.:) I mean if you have a DS and want to play some sports i guess you are SOL. [/QUOTE]
Okay, here you are correct, for the most part, though Fifa is pretty good on the DS

And if you want to have a good racing game other than Kart racing and you have DS there are no good games on the DS.
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Wrong. Asphault Urban GT 2 is actually a very good racing game. So is Diddy Kong Racing.

If you want a good action game like Syphon Filter, MGS PO, or Chili con Carnage and you have a DS I Guess there are no good games.
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Viewtiful Joe, Scurge, Lunar Knights, both Castlevanias...and so on. All great action games. Not to mention the great GBA action games (Gunstar Super Heroes, Metal Slug Advance, three more Castlevanias, etc)

If you want a good fighting game like tekken, dark stalkers, street fighter and you have a DS I guess there are no good games.
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Jump Superstars 1 & 2, Bleach DS 1 & 2, Custom Robo Arena, and so on.

And if you want to play 2 awesome Mega Man games and you have a DS I guess there are no good games.
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. Did you miss out on the GBA Mega Man games, not to mention Mega Man ZX? I will also point out that the two on PSP are remakes, whereas the GBA/DS games are not.

Now then I don't hate the PSP, just had to respond to such an ignorant and stupid post. I like a lot of games on the PSP, it just doesn't offer the experience I want. It's closer to a console, while I already own several consoles to fill that void, so I want a more pick up and play/handheld/different system, such as the DS. If I didn't own as many, or perhaps any consoles, PSP would easily appeal to me more, because it would give me the console experience in a handheld package. As it stands though, I play my console games on consoles and my handheld games on handhelds.
 
[quote name='SilverPaw750']


Viewtiful Joe, Scurge, Lunar Knights, both Castlevanias...and so on. All great action games. Not to mention the great GBA action games (Gunstar Super Heroes, Metal Slug Advance, three more Castlevanias, etc)


Jump Superstars 1 & 2, Bleach DS 1 & 2, Custom Robo Arena, and so on.


[/QUOTE]

None of those are even remotely close to the PSP games he listed. You can not compare Syphon Fitler to any of those DS action games. They are so different its not even funny.

The fighting games for the DS you listed are not along the same lines at the PSP fighters either. Those DS games are all smash brothers type bawlers where the PSP fighters are traditional. There is a huge difference between those types of games.
 
if you're going to name DS games to match PSP games... how about naming games that were released in the US... games that people can go to walmart and purchase right now...
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']None of those are even remotely close to the PSP games he listed. You can not compare Syphon Fitler to any of those DS action games. They are so different its not even funny.

The fighting games for the DS you listed are not along the same lines at the PSP fighters either. Those DS games are all smash brothers type bawlers where the PSP fighters are traditional. There is a huge difference between those types of games.[/QUOTE]
That can go both directions. Please name a game that compares "along the same lines" to Hotel Dusk on the PSP. Or phoenix wright. Or Nintendogs. And so on. I was simply trying to find games in the same general genre.
 
[quote name='daroga']You didn't like Sonic Rush? That's a bummer. Did you like the Genesis Sonic games? I thought that Sonic Rush was easily the best Sonic game not on a Genesis cartridge. Really, for my tastes, Sonic Rush and Secret Rings are the only two that have been really worthwhile since Sonic & Knuckles. Granted the Adventures and Advance games had their moments, but overall, meh. I loved Rush though.

But I hear ya on the $20 cap. Though some games I've gotten more than my money's worth out of (Mario Kart DS, NSMB, C: DoS, etc.), so every now and then a game hits that is worth its MSRP. That's the problem with handheld games, though, especially on Nintendo systems. Without a robust GH-type lineup they very often go out of print before they see a price drop.[/QUOTE]



I loved the old sonic games, 1 and 2 are my favs, and I got love for 3. The only thing I didn't like about Sonic Rush, was the over world map, and the music was ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE - I basically bought the game to hear more of that traditional sonic music, and it wasn't there. But don't get me the wrong the game itself wasn't bad. But I would have been happier getting it for 19.99. Nintendo knows that they are doing... DS is too popular for its own good.. N64 had players choice, Gamecube, N64.(I think), DS is cheap to make games for, but gamers aren't able to share in the money savings... oh and that goes for the psp as well... on some titles... Family guy, and Genesis collection - both are 29.99, and both have ps2 counterparts @ 19.99. That's why the psp is where its at today.
 
[quote name='SilverPaw750']That can go both directions. Please name a game that compares "along the same lines" to Hotel Dusk on the PSP. Or phoenix wright. Or Nintendogs. And so on. I was simply trying to find games in the same general genre.[/QUOTE]

Sure it can, but that is not what I was saying. I was not not trying to say there are games like the ones you mentioned on the PSP. I was saying that your comparisons are off and that those game have pretty much nothing in common, one could argue not even genre.
 
I got it... PSP has great games... so does the DS... PSP vs DS.. PSP has games that blow the DS games out the water... however.. the DS has more innovative games... talking about brain age, pheonix wright, (touch generation) psp gives you a ps2 on the road... thats cool but what about the psp sets it a part from the ps2. one game on the psp provided something different, and people ignored it... Loco roco. Look at New SuperMario... old school 2d, mixed in w/ 3d models and moves... the game took something dirt old and shined it up with innovation.
 
[quote name='zewone']Ah, more threads that bring nothing but arguments. That's what we need.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, a month ago I would so be ready to utterly destroy the OPs logic, but I'm tired of this PSP Vs DS Bulltshit.

Breaking it down, one last time, all arguements aside:

DS >>>>>>>> Non hacked PSP

Hacked PSP >>> DS

DS W/ Falsh cart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything Sony.

And we're done.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Yeah, a month ago I would so be ready to utterly destroy the OPs logic, but I'm tired of this PSP Vs DS Bulltshit.

Breaking it down, one last time, all arguements aside:

DS >>>>>>>> Non hacked PSP

Hacked PSP >>> DS

DS W/ Falsh cart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anything Sony.

And we're done.[/quote]

Sound on the DS
 
[quote name='jkam']????
The sound on the PSP sucks...unless your using headphones. Play syphon filter with and without and you'll see what I mean. The sound on the DS Lite is worse than the original though too.[/QUOTE]
If you're talking strictly about volume level, maybe, but I think he was referring to the quality of sound (actual instruments or songs with lyrics vs. synthesizers).
 
My question is why is the DS mentioned at all in the OP? PSP has good games as the thread title indicated but then you go off and try to compare it to the DS? Why? There is really no need for that. fuck you people who want to argue about which system is better
 
[quote name='icruise']If you're talking strictly about volume level, maybe, but I think he was referring to the quality of sound (actual instruments or songs with lyrics vs. synthesizers).[/QUOTE]

Ah ok...that would make more sense.
 
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