PSP manufacturing problems

[quote name='Alpha2']hehe atleast with such a huge screen, 3 dead pixels isnt so bad. Also another scary piece of information going around is that the system/games may in fact not be region free. They're saying that the japanese instructions mention regions "ALL" and "2" but that Ridgeracers sports the "2" logo.[/quote]

Here's a picture of the actual back of the box

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Hopefully this isn't true, but who knows?
 
Oh man, and they've said they won't take the units back either. Bad news for the folks that bought them at launch.
 
[quote name='maxguy56']Oh man, and they've said they won't take the units back either. Bad news for the folks that bought them at launch.[/quote]
They basically can't, almost all their stock is gone so its not like they could replace the units.
 
[quote name='scargums'][quote name='NateWhs152']is anyone surprised the PSP is a POS[/quote]

honestly, no.

yes im a nintendo fanboy, but this is sony were talking about, a giant company by every definition of the word, and this is their entry into the one gaming market they do not dominate. this is not "gizmondo" or whatever, this is sony's psp, and people should expect more of a gaming juggernaut like they do of nintendo (the ds is not without its own problems, but it is better than this).[/quote]

It's not like it's 100% of units have problems, it's only a small percentage that has them. It's the same way with the DS, with the dead pixels and any other problems.
 
So far the only thing in this thread that I've heard any real evidence about is the dead pixel issue and the "region 2" issue that I was quoted on just now.

as for the door popping open I don't doubt it might be true of some units. the more moving part on an electrical device, the more likely it is to possibly break down it's just a fact of production. The PSP has any number of springe latches and spinning things inside it while the most the DS has is the screen hinge and the sping to pop the DS cart out. But also keep in mind there's always a possibility of damage if you drop it from the top of a table, they're made of plastic for god's sake, they arnt indestructable. Comming into the thread and calling the PSP a POS is basically just begging for a flame war.

The "wont take units back" are quotes from the distributers that sell the systems not Sony. The distributers don't have enough stock to fill all their orders and replace faulty units at the same time. So when Sony say's they're increasing production it probably means that they're doing it because their early estimates did not take into account the need for replacement orders and the increasingly rabid nature of importers.
 
[quote name='Alpha2']as for the door popping open I don't doubt it might be true of some units.[/quote]
Well, Gamesarefun has hosted a video of the PSP "shooting" out UMD's when the unit is twisted. Then again, if you are twisting your PSP you are probably asking for it...
 
The question there would be how much force he was putting into the twisting action. With an item you hold with 2 hands and buttons on both sides, you ARE going to be twisting the item to some degree just using it. I mean, unless you very carefully hold you hands level and straight and don't press too hard when you're playing a game, the item will naturally experience some twisting force. So what needs to be found out is if the normal level of force put on a PSP during an average button-mashing session is enough to trigger the 'eject' thing. If it is... Well, the PSP has some issues...
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']What does scrren size have to do with durability?
They are always behind a hard plastic panel!

The only thing you have to worry about with GBA, DS, or PSP is fall damage.[/quote]

Spoken like someone without IT experience. I've seen LCD panels killed in a wide variety of ways, damage from falling only being one. One thing I've observed with PDAs is that the iPAQs with a a built-in cover turned up less in repair requests than the other brands and models whose screens went exposed by default while carried around by the user. In many cases a fall that would have been survivable destroyed the screen thanks to particular surface the unit fell upon. Just as knocked down people in movies inevitably smack their skull on the only rock in a field of grass, the users manage to drop their devices so that the screen strikes the only pointy object in a flat expanse of ground. Having the impact concentrated at one point, the screen, usually does the trick.

Yes, I've seen broken hinges but almost always it's either a unit that has seen a lot of use and delivered its money's worth (or was certain generations of Dell products), or had been so abused the hinge was only of several points of failure.

Personally, when I get a PSP, I intend to be fanatical about putting on the screen cover when it isn't in use. The low-power standby mode of the DS which is activated by simply closing it effectively serves the same purpose quite well.
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='scargums'][quote name='NateWhs152']is anyone surprised the PSP is a POS[/quote]

honestly, no.

yes im a nintendo fanboy, but this is sony were talking about, a giant company by every definition of the word, and this is their entry into the one gaming market they do not dominate. this is not "gizmondo" or whatever, this is sony's psp, and people should expect more of a gaming juggernaut like they do of nintendo (the ds is not without its own problems, but it is better than this).[/quote]

It's not like it's 100% of units have problems, it's only a small percentage that has them. It's the same way with the DS, with the dead pixels and any other problems.[/quote]

sure, i know all about the DS dead pixel problems, which is why i said the DS is not without its own launch problems, and i know these only apply to a small percentage of units. however, what i wanted to point out is that the dead pixel issue is the only one people were complaining about at launch, whereas the PSP has all of these other issues like the UMD drive, dust and air bubbles in the screen, etc., and even if these problems are only in a small percentage of units, there seem to be more problems associated with the PSP than with the DS. DS has one problem affecting a small percentage, PSP has multiple problems affecting a small percentage, therefore a larger percentage of PSPs are affected, which really shouldnt be acceptable from a company like sony.
 
Well how long does sony back up their product from defects ?

I think nintendo will replace a defective DS for a year it I remember correctly.
 
Define defects? The cartridge popping out? They might say it is from improper use.. dead pixels? that is common in all LCDs and unless it has above a certain % of the total pixels, they probably wont replace it.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Are you oblivious to physics?

Clamshell designs do not protect impact damage at all.

Following Newtons first law of motion, inertia, the internal components will stay in motion after the unit hits the ground. If they are not properly secured they will break.[/quote]

Do you know what inertia is? It means that if something is moving and has nothing to slow it, it will tend to keep moving. In this case, Newton's First Law says nothing about what will happen with the unit hits the ground because there was a force applied that interrupted the motion, but I digress.

What I really intended to say here was thank you for proving a point I intended to make: If the PSP falls, it will get fucked up. Any moving parts would get jolted out of alignment from such a fall, which is a problem that neither the DS or the SP have due to the fact that they have no moving parts.

Oh yeah, and if the unit isn't on, in which case the chance of moving parts getting screwed up is lessened, the screen would get scratched, whereas a screen protected by a clamshell most likely would not, unless the fall was so great that, upon impact, the unit sprung open somehow and a screen got hit.
 
[quote name='sn0b0ards']Define defects? The cartridge popping out? They might say it is from improper use.. dead pixels? that is common in all LCDs and unless it has above a certain % of the total pixels, they probably wont replace it.[/quote]

well I know that nintendo will replace you DS if ONE pixel is dead, so it's going to be really lame if Sony doesn't care if you have dead pixels. Does anyone own a Sony LCD monitor ? How many dead pixels does it take for them to take it back ?
 
[quote name='KingDox'][quote name='sn0b0ards']Define defects? The cartridge popping out? They might say it is from improper use.. dead pixels? that is common in all LCDs and unless it has above a certain % of the total pixels, they probably wont replace it.[/quote]

well I know that nintendo will replace you DS if ONE pixel is dead, so it's going to be really lame if Sony doesn't care if you have dead pixels. Does anyone own a Sony LCD monitor ? How many dead pixels does it take for them to take it back ?[/quote]

They're not taking them back because that would be taking it out of their supply for released systems. When they have plenty of reserve without such high demand, they'll allow them to be returned for replacements.
 
It would really stink if these hardware issues force the PSP into an early retirement. That is the one thing that scares me...Sony's track record with hardware. The screen looks awesome as do the games but I am worried about all the moving parts in the system. I think Nintendo has always had the right idea keeping non-moving parts. It just makes sense. I will wait to see how all this pans out before picking one up.
 
All of this fanboy hating on the PSP is making me sick.

If you drop a PSP and a DS from 1 meter, neither will break or scratch (unless you drop them in a pile of knives and needles).

Think about it this way, a CD player has moving parts, but did they break when dropped?

The screens will break easier than anything, because the moving parts only get damaged if they are exposed when you drop them.

The IPOD has moving parts, as does the new Walkman (made by Sony), and anything else with an optical drive or HDD.

THE SONY PSP IS NOT A DELICATE AND FRAGILE ITEM.

I don't see what fanboys have to gain by slandering (and libel) other companies.

The anti-PS2/GCN/XBOX/DS/PSP lies are making consumers dumber, and when consumers get too stupid new technology will be impossible to sell because people will be afraid of it.
 
People are stupid....btw, anyone have minidisc ? If you do, you'll understand why the UMD pop out (showed in the VDO..) check out my sig. for all DS fanboy ... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
[quote name='nonggame']check out my sig.[/quote]

I lost a Gameboy Color like that, I dropped a book on it.

Whether yor screen is in a clamshell or not, if you drop an object at an anglelike that on it (minimising surface area contact and concentrating force) it will most likely crack.

Btw, I didn't know you could make animated gifs in "MS Paint", not that I'm implying anything about the quality of your sig picture or your skills with photoshop.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']All of this fanboy hating on the PSP is making me sick.

If you drop a PSP and a DS from 1 meter, neither will break or scratch (unless you drop them in a pile of knives and needles).

Think about it this way, a CD player has moving parts, but did they break when dropped?

The screens will break easier than anything, because the moving parts only get damaged if they are exposed when you drop them.

The IPOD has moving parts, as does the new Walkman (made by Sony), and anything else with an optical drive or HDD.

THE SONY PSP IS NOT A DELICATE AND FRAGILE ITEM.

I don't see what fanboys have to gain by slandering (and libel) other companies.

The anti-PS2/GCN/XBOX/DS/PSP lies are making consumers dumber, and when consumers get too stupid new technology will be impossible to sell because people will be afraid of it.[/quote]

I don't hate the PSP...I think it looks awesome. I will also most likely be buying one when things get ironed out and it gets a bit cheaper. I know you aren't directing this at my post but I do have a few issues with your argument.

At this point anyone who really believes Sony's hardware is top notch is living in a cave. The PS2 has had many problems throughout its life cycle. The gamecube may not be as well sold as the PS2 but you rarely get one with a DRE error or something of that nature. Nintendo has always had top notch hardware. Having a gameboy drop in the toilet or someone leaving it out in the snow all winter and have it work is pretty durable if you ask me. Sony hardware in general has been really shotty IMO for awhile now. I have owned a few stereos that lasted only a few years. Although I do have a Sony Digital Camera that has been going strong. I just don't believe they are what they once were in terms of quality. Why would the PSP suddenly be any different to what Sony has produced in recent years?

As for dropping a system with an LCD screen... Anyway you look at it for whatever system isn't good. DON'T DROP IT!!!!

A CD player does have moving parts but not as many as a PSP.

The Ipod has moving parts. I had a Dell DJ (similar to an ipod) which failed to work after one drop. Luckily it was under warranty and I was able to get it replaced. To say a drop of the PSP wouldn't hurt the inside moving parts is tough to say. Sometimes it may and sometimes it may not. It's really pot luck.

Nintendo made the smarter move. A portable system should be truly portable. The DS is like running in the park with a Flash memory MP3 player and the PSP is like running with an IPOD. I don't believe the PSP is a fragile item but I am sure that the DS is more durable. Once again I will wait to see how the PSP does before I rush out to buy it.
 
The following is directed towards the fanboys:

But my main point is that consumers need to be educated. In the US the console wars are religious wars, much like the election.

It is black versus white, good versus evil, and the other side is always evil and the oipponent must be destroyed at all costs.

THE CONSOLES ARE LUMPS OF PLASTIC, COPPER, SILICON, ARSENIC, GERMANIUM, STEEL, IRON, GOLD, MANY CARBON ISOMERS, AND A FEW OTHER ELEMENTS!
THERE IS NO GOOD OR EVIL INSIDE THEM!

THIS IS NOT A fuckING HOLY WAR!

IF YOU DON'T HAVE BASIC ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE DON'T PRETEND TO BE SPEAKING THE GOSPEL ABOUT A CONSOLE!

AND IF ANY OF YOU EVER AGAIN CLAIMS THAT YOUR CONSOLE IS ONLY USING A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IT'S POWER TO PLAY GAMES THAN I WANT YOU GO OUT IN THE STREET AND GET SOMEONE TO KICK YOU UP THE ARSE SO HARD YOU BLEED!

That's all.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']The following is directed towards the fanboys:

But my main point is that consumers need to be educated. In the US the console wars are religious wars, much like the election.

It is black versus white, good versus evil, and the other side is always evil and the oipponent must be destroyed at all costs.

THE CONSOLES ARE LUMPS OF PLASTIC, COPPER, SILICON, ARSENIC, GERMANIUM, STEEL, IRON, GOLD, MANY CARBON ISOMERS, AND A FEW OTHER ELEMENTS!
THERE IS NO GOOD OR EVIL INSIDE THEM!

THIS IS NOT A shaq-fuing HOLY WAR!

IF YOU DON'T HAVE BASIC ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE DON'T PRETEND TO BE SPEAKING THE GOSPEL ABOUT A CONSOLE!

AND IF ANY OF YOU EVER AGAIN CLAIMS THAT YOUR CONSOLE IS ONLY USING A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IT'S POWER TO PLAY GAMES THAN I WANT YOU GO OUT IN THE STREET AND GET SOMEONE TO KICK YOU UP THE ARSE SO HARD YOU BLEED!

That's all.[/quote]

[quote name='nonggame']People are stupid....btw, anyone have minidisc ? If you do, you'll understand why the UMD pop out (showed in the VDO..) check out my sig. for all DS fanboy ... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]


The only people that have really been displaying any sort of fanboy behavior are the two people accusing others of being fanboys.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']
Think about it this way, a CD player has moving parts, but did they break when dropped? [/quote]

Um, hell yes. Obviously you have never dropped a Sony Discman. I dropped mine years ago and it virtually exploded. It was about a 3 foot drop. To say that the PSP would hold up to a drop like that is retarded.

None of these systems was meant to withstand a drop from an angle or height. Not the DS, PSP, GBA, none.

If you don't want to hear about the various defects in the PSP, leave the thread, it's that easy. There has been some Sony bashing in this thread, but most of the posts are actual facts about launch defects. I remember seeing a bunch of discussion about dead pixels on the DS and I don't remember you posting again and again defending Nintendo against slander and libel :roll:

You cry fanboy but after a little searching, you're the one posting in just about every thread that speaks about PSP problems.
 
[quote name='lebowsky']
None of these systems was meant to withstand a drop from an angle or height. Not the DS, PSP, GBA, none.

If you don't want to hear about the various defects in the PSP, leave the thread, it's that easy. There has been some Sony bashing in this thread, but most of the posts are actual facts about launch defects. I remember seeing a bunch of discussion about dead pixels on the DS and I don't remember you posting again and again defending Nintendo against slander and libel :roll:

You cry fanboy but after a little searching, you're the one posting in just about every thread that speaks about PSP problems.[/quote]

Well said.
 
[quote name='lebowsky'][quote name='Quackzilla']
Think about it this way, a CD player has moving parts, but did they break when dropped? [/quote]

Um, hell yes. Obviously you have never dropped a Sony Discman. I dropped mine years ago and it virtually exploded. It was about a 3 foot drop. To say that the PSP would hold up to a drop like that is retarded.

None of these systems was meant to withstand a drop from an angle or height. Not the DS, PSP, GBA, none.

If you don't want to hear about the various defects in the PSP, leave the thread, it's that easy. There has been some Sony bashing in this thread, but most of the posts are actual facts about launch defects. I remember seeing a bunch of discussion about dead pixels on the DS and I don't remember you posting again and again defending Nintendo against slander and libel :roll:

You cry fanboy but after a little searching, you're the one posting in just about every thread that speaks about PSP problems.[/quote]

zing!
 
[quote name='lebowsky'][quote name='Quackzilla']
Think about it this way, a CD player has moving parts, but did they break when dropped? [/quote]

Um, hell yes. Obviously you have never dropped a Sony Discman. I dropped mine years ago and it virtually exploded. It was about a 3 foot drop. To say that the PSP would hold up to a drop like that is retarded.

None of these systems was meant to withstand a drop from an angle or height. Not the DS, PSP, GBA, none.

If you don't want to hear about the various defects in the PSP, leave the thread, it's that easy. There has been some Sony bashing in this thread, but most of the posts are actual facts about launch defects. I remember seeing a bunch of discussion about dead pixels on the DS and I don't remember you posting again and again defending Nintendo against slander and libel :roll:

You cry fanboy but after a little searching, you're the one posting in just about every thread that speaks about PSP problems.[/quote]

Don't fret yourself over it.. Quackzille basically makes nothing but uneducated, insane remarks.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Think about it this way, a CD player has moving parts, but did they break when dropped? [/quote]

YES, they often do. If they don't break, they become prone to skipping and other problems.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='lebowsky'][quote name='Quackzilla']
Think about it this way, a CD player has moving parts, but did they break when dropped? [/quote]

Um, hell yes. Obviously you have never dropped a Sony Discman. I dropped mine years ago and it virtually exploded. It was about a 3 foot drop. To say that the PSP would hold up to a drop like that is retarded.

None of these systems was meant to withstand a drop from an angle or height. Not the DS, PSP, GBA, none.

If you don't want to hear about the various defects in the PSP, leave the thread, it's that easy. There has been some Sony bashing in this thread, but most of the posts are actual facts about launch defects. I remember seeing a bunch of discussion about dead pixels on the DS and I don't remember you posting again and again defending Nintendo against slander and libel :roll:

You cry fanboy but after a little searching, you're the one posting in just about every thread that speaks about PSP problems.[/quote]

Don't fret yourself over it.. Quackzille basically makes nothing but uneducated, insane remarks.[/quote]

And the flames grow hotter :roll:
 
How could a CD player "nearly explode" from a 3 foot drop?

It's velocity upon impact would be about .95m/s, not even enough to crack the case.
Worst case scenario the laser arm or controls might have moved, but it wouldn't bust.

A PSP only weighs about 260g and a DS weighs even less.

A 3 foot free fall from rest would not even be enough to pop a cartrige out.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']The following is directed towards the fanboys:

But my main point is that consumers need to be educated. In the US the console wars are religious wars, much like the election.

It is black versus white, good versus evil, and the other side is always evil and the oipponent must be destroyed at all costs.

THIS IS NOT A shaq-fuing HOLY WAR!

IF YOU DON'T HAVE BASIC ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE DON'T PRETEND TO BE SPEAKING THE GOSPEL ABOUT A CONSOLE! [/quote]

I hope you read this message and comprehended it. It's not a holy war, so don't fight everyone that posts a valid complaint as if it is. If you don't have basic EE experience, or even experience holding a Sony Minidisc player or Diskman, then you shouldn't be preaching about the high quality of the PSP.

Also, there isn't a black and white console war in the US or anywhere else. It's becoming more and more common as video games gain more popularity for a household to have two or three consoles. So, perhaps you should educate yourself before barking up this tree as well.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']How could a CD player "nearly explode" from a 3 foot drop?

It's velocity upon impact would be about .95m/s, not even enough to crack the case.
Worst case scenario the laser arm or controls might have moved, but it wouldn't bust.

A PSP only weighs about 260g and a DS weighs even less.

A 3 foot free fall from rest would not even be enough to pop a cartrige out.[/quote]

So apparently you not only have EE background but you're also a physicist?

If you've ever been around one of the old cheap plastic walkmen, those things were/are fragile. A drop from a distance of three feet could easily kill it, especially hitting the a hard surface. It's not the velocity that kills it but the surface it lands on....

Also, technically it would hit the ground at 2.99m/s. Not to nit pick or anything....
 
[quote name='beerguy961'][quote name='Quackzilla']How could a CD player "nearly explode" from a 3 foot drop?

It's velocity upon impact would be about .95m/s, not even enough to crack the case.
Worst case scenario the laser arm or controls might have moved, but it wouldn't bust.

A PSP only weighs about 260g and a DS weighs even less.

A 3 foot free fall from rest would not even be enough to pop a cartrige out.[/quote]

So apparently you not only have EE background but you're also a physicist?

If you've ever been around one of the old cheap plastic walkmen, those things were/are fragile. A drop from a distance of three feet could easily kill it, especially hitting the a hard surface. It's not the velocity that kills it but the surface it lands on....

Also, technically it would hit the ground at 2.99m/s. Not to nit pick or anything....[/quote]

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I have a sony MD player, it has an aluminum casing and has be dropped numerous times and survived.

The PSP however does not have an aluminum body and will run the risk of damage if you knock it off a table, true it may not always break but if it's mass impacts a surface on a weak point of the body....

Look at it this way if you fall out of a chair and land on your ass you have very little chance of hurting anything except maybe your pride. If you fall out of the chair and land on your wrist you could break it easily.

For a GBA or a DS thats still a problem. a break can still occure but a PSP has many more parts which may not be as securely braced and can be damaged in a fall.

Let's all just calm down and not drop our systems, we'll ALL be happier for it.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']

IF YOU DON'T HAVE BASIC ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE DON'T PRETEND TO BE SPEAKING THE GOSPEL ABOUT A CONSOLE!

[/quote]

If the people on this site drop a CD player and it breaks, it breaks. They don't need to get a bachelor's in engineering to confirm this. They're comparing a CD player falling to a PSP falling, because a PSP has much more going on internally and most people assume (that thing you do without first consulting your engineering book) that it's probably easier to break if it falls. By the way, all caps is annoying.

I think the main question here is, why are people dropping their electronics? Are you playing games so boring that they put you to sleep?
 
[quote name='Parathod']
I think the main question here is, why are people dropping their electronics? Are you playing games so boring that they put you to sleep?[/quote]

You know, I never thought of that.
 
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