R.I.P. Pat Tillman

[quote name='RichD1']*hopes the hostility falls upon Morgan now as well*

The man did something more deserving of respect then anyone of us on here can ever hope to obtain in our lives unless we in fact join the military.

Psst; Scrubking; I love you. :D[/quote]

Why don't I post what you have said on another certain forum?
[quote name='RichD1']Congrats man, you're the most undeserving mod ever! I'm glad you got to become a mod out of pure nepotism. Really, I am. Go ahead and delete my posts; go ahead and ban me; go right fucking ahead. Your threats really don't inflict ANY fear upon me. PS: Your gimick sucks.

Imperial? You mean the guy that couldn't type a word correctly to save his life, and enjoyed telling everyone he was from the NYC ghetto and if you had a problem with him, you should go to the ghetto so he can beat the shit out of you? Yeah, I chased him off. He was as a big a fucking phony as you. Good call on tnl, though, you really got me there. Difference between me and DoK--I did it to someone deserving; DoK is doing it to someone who is actually making good posts and such.[/quote]

If you're going to post stuff from this forum having absolutely nothing to do with anything discussed on another forum, then I am entitled to post this as well. But to keep this post from as being as off-topic as yours, I would like to say that a FOOTBALL Hall of Fame should be about FOOTBALL, not about MILITARY SERVICE. Also, any other posters can ignore what I said in this post except for the last one; the rest of the post was directly intended for Rich. Sorry for any inconvenience in posting that; please ignore it.
 
Part of what makes this story so special is all of these soldiers give their life, so people like MWL and Dead of Knight can have thier opinions in this country and express those ideas. No matter how jackass they may be.
This is not about putting one persons death over another. The reason people are talking about this, he was already in the spotlight as a professional athlete. He gave that up, the money and also his life for our country. Do you see any other athletes doing that, now or after 9/11. No. To him our freedom and country were more important than material items. Whether you would do that or not, you have to respect his decision. He did not do it for publicity or glory, he did it because he felt a certain pride in our country and wanted to do something for us. And yes other soldiers do that daily, and we should thank them all.
 
One last thing, MWL I wouldn't call the guy an "asshole" I mean do you even know the guy to say that.
Now calling Morgan Webb a talentless hack on some cheap public access cable show, we can all say that.
 
[quote name='vrs1650']Part of what makes this story so special is all of these soldiers give their life, so people like MWL and Dead of Knight can have thier opinions in this country and express those ideas. No matter how jackass they may be.
This is not about putting one persons death over another. The reason people are talking about this, he was already in the spotlight as a professional athlete. He gave that up, the money and also his life for our country. Do you see any other athletes doing that, now or after 9/11. No. To him our freedom and country were more important than material items. Whether you would do that or not, you have to respect his decision. He did not do it for publicity or glory, he did it because he felt a certain pride in our country and wanted to do something for us. And yes other soldiers do that daily, and we should thank them all.[/quote]

I do respect his decision, even though I do not agree with it. I still think it is a noble decision, but apparently most of the people in this thread just want to focus on the negative things I've said. I appreciate everyone who's been sticking up for my right to post my opinions.
 
[quote name='vrs1650']One last thing, MWL I wouldn't call the guy an "asshole" I mean do you even know the guy to say that.
Now calling Morgan Webb a talentless hack on some cheap public access cable show, we can all say that.[/quote]

Haha... that's right, hit'em where it hurts. :)
 
I admire the guy for doing what he believed in. Which is a lot more than the hypocrites posting in this thread are doing. But his life was wasted. Anyone who thinks that the american armed forces are fighting for freedom is blind.
 
I consider myself a gentleman and didn't know that dok was a girl so I apoligize for speaking to a girl like that.

However, I am still appalled at the people verbally pissing on this soldier's grave.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']I consider myself a gentleman and didn't know that dok was a girl so I apoligize for speaking to a girl like that.
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LOL. There is no need to apologize because I am a girl. You shouldn't have to change what you're going to say just because of someone's gender.
 
[quote name='irc_email']I admire the guy for doing what he believed in. Which is a lot more than the hypocrites posting in this thread are doing. But his life was wasted. Anyone who thinks that the american armed forces are fighting for freedom is blind.[/quote]

man... i was the 2nd guy posting on this thread, and i thought it was about paying your respects to a guy who should be respected for what he did. why does it have to turn political? keep it in the "why vote for bush again?" thread.
 
[quote name='irc_email']I said that I admired the guy. Seeing as they are supposedly fighting for freedom, why can't I post it here? ;)[/quote]

Because the thread name is 'Rest in Peace Pat Tillman', not 'Post your Anti-American Views'.
 
ok, that's cool. i never said anything about him fighting for our freedom. :) i just thought that he deserves our respect b/c he actually did what he believed was right, disregarding fame and fortune unlike many other people in our society. that takes a lot of guts. everybody's entitled to their own opinion though and i'm not trying to start a flame war :)
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']



If you're going to post stuff from this forum having absolutely nothing to do with anything discussed on another forum, then I am entitled to post this as well. But to keep this post from as being as off-topic as yours, I would like to say that a FOOTBALL Hall of Fame should be about FOOTBALL, not about MILITARY SERVICE. Also, any other posters can ignore what I said in this post except for the last one; the rest of the post was directly intended for Rich. Sorry for any inconvenience in posting that; please ignore it.[/quote]

Uhh, why not post my last post as well?

Uhh, because THAT thread is a thread dedicated to honoring Pat Tillman, a greta man deserving respect. And as such, I'm not going to waste the space to degrade you; not to mention I've no intention of letting this even cross the boundary of Project Mayhem, let alone Neomega. Poor attitude? Towards you paet, and playgirl? yes, but in general? no. Elitist? No. My brother is a much bigger man then I, as well is everyone else in the military, be it the US' or not. There is no greater honor than for one to die for their country. And Flik is a bigger man than I, as well. He's got all 324 Stars of Destiny.
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And do you know what the HoFs are all about? They're NOT all about dedication to the sport, like you seem to think.
 
[quote name='magilacudy'][quote name='vrs1650']One last thing, MWL I wouldn't call the guy an "asshole" I mean do you even know the guy to say that.
Now calling Morgan Webb a talentless hack on some cheap public access cable show, we can all say that.[/quote]

Haha... that's right, hit'em where it hurts. :)[/quote]

Yeah that really hurt two people on a message board said something about a TV personality I enjoy i'm soooo hurt .

TechTV has 12 million viewers at their peak hours so I doubt you could call them a cheap public access cable channel .


I'm sorry if I don't admire someone who left a Widowed wife and a fatherless child at home so he could go fulfill some selfish egotistical war fantasy of being an army rangers . If you want to join the military and go fight in a war that's your business but don't expect me to blow you just becuase of your choice .
 
[quote name='magilacudy'][quote name='irc_email']I said that I admired the guy. Seeing as they are supposedly fighting for freedom, why can't I post it here? ;)[/quote]

Because the thread name is 'Rest in Peace Pat Tillman', not 'Post your Anti-American Views'.[/quote]

It's still sort of a free country. You have the right to sue me. :)
 
[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='Dead of Knight']Would you give up millions of dollars to be a martyr? I certainly wouldn't. The guy is still a hero, but I just think it was stupid of him to give up all that money for the risk of dying.[/quote]

That is because you are a selfish piece of shit with no sense of honor, duty or anything good. You are a shallow, little human being to insult the memory of such an honorable man.[/quote]

Why aren't you in Iraq, scrubking? Are you a shallow, little human being insulting the memory of such an honorable man?
 
God; have some respect for the man. (Tillman)

My wallpaper now has Tillman's pic with In Memory of Pat Tillman in them middle of a Suikoden IV wallpaper; at 50% opacity.

Statement from VP and General Counsel Michael Bidwill

As you can imagine this has been a devastating day for all the Cardinals family. Our immediate thoughts and prayers are with his wife Marie, his brother Kevin, his parents, and all of his family members. Every day brave men and women are fighting and in some cases making the ultimate sacrifice for this country and today it has touched our family and touched Arizona.

In sports, we have a tendency to overuse terms like courage, bravery and heroes. Then someone special like Pat Tillman comes along and reminds us of what those terms really mean. The Cardinals and the National Football League were privileged to have Pat Tillman in its family and we are all weaker today following this loss.

This has been a terrible day. We learned this early this morning like many others in the country. Pat was a special guy. The last time we all saw him was in December when the Cardinals played at Seattle. Pat called us a few weeks before that game and told us he was stationed nearby and would like to bring his wife and his brother and some family members by to visit. He sat with my father and me, and others, and we actually have a photo he sent us and a card a few weeks after that day. His wife took that photo and it was a special day. Following the game, he went down and visited many of his teammates. I know everybody was really touched by his visit and he was doing what he was doing. This was his second time back in combat and it was a terrible loss for the National Football League and the Arizona Cardinals.
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And this rawks:

In addition, the team plans to retire Tillman’s number 40 jersey, only the fifth retired number in club history (8–Larry Wilson, 77–Stan Maudlin, 88–J.V. Cain, 99–Marshall Goldberg). No player has worn the number 40 since Tillman last played for the team in 2001. The team also will be consulting with the National Football League regarding display of Tillman’s number ‘40’ on team apparel.
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I think one reason why the media has made a bigger deal out of this, than other soldiers deaths, is because he sacrificed so much, as does every soldier, however Tillman helps remind everyone that these things happen. It helps get to people on a more personal level about the war.
--Shadd
 
Even if we assume all of the attention isn't because he was "famous," if anything, this shows how much importance Americans place on money. As we all know, every soldier has made sacrifices to go and fight, ranging from dropping out of college to leaving family members to who knows what else. It certainly says something when passing up on a huge contract is seen as a much bigger sacrifice. Whether that something is right or not is entirely subjective, of course.
 
[quote name='extremep']Even if we assume all of the attention isn't because he was "famous," if anything, this shows how much importance Americans place on money. [/quote]

Oh, you mean the AMERICAN DREAM? So many people over its history have come to Amerca in search of happiness and prosperity
 
The thing I really admire about Pat Tillman was that even after he joined the military, he refused all interview requests by the press. He simply told them that he wanted to be treated like every other soldier. I think that is a very classy move on his part.

By the way, MWL, where did you get your numbers?
[quote name='MorganWebbLover']
TechTV has 12 million viewers at their peak hours so I doubt you could call them a cheap public access cable channel .
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I hate to tell you this, but your number is way off. The highest rated cable network usually has about 2 million viewers at its peak. Broadcast tv (ABC, NBC, CBS, etc.) is much higher. Tech Tv is a very niche channel and does not have a high viewership, haven't looked it up, but most likely around 1 million viewers or so. Nothing wrong with that, but I just had to correct your numbers. (Big pet peeve of mine, since I work in tv)
 
The coverage of Pat Tillman is not surprising. For one, most of us knew the story of him going over, at least in passing, so we could connect to it immediatly. But I think what makes it more appealing to the public is the fact that we know he gave up so much to join, not just money, but his new wife. He could have had the jet set life, but chose to fight for something he believed in.

Countless other soldiers have joined the military in the same way, giving up everything in order to fight for something they believed in. Many in the military did not join to fight for a cause however, and many did not give something up. They joined because of the opportunities you can get from military service and the fact that you can better your life and career. Please dont take this as an insult to those soldiers, I find nothing wrong with it, and have contemplated it myself. Heck, thats how the Army recruits people, by promoting the opportunities you will get, not the sacrifice you will make. It is the reason my best friend is in the army rig ht now. Im just trying to explain why Pat Tillman's story is able to touch so many people and so deserves media coverage.
 
A Ranger's Death

356 words
26 April 2004
The Wall Street Journal
A14
English
(Copyright (c) 2004, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)

Army Ranger Pat Tillman died Thursday when his patrol was ambushed near the Afghan-Pakistani border. He was 27. Specialist Tillman never talked about it publicly, but all the world knew that he had given up a million-dollar career in the NFL for a chance to serve his country.

Why did he fight? For an answer, we turn to President Reagan's June 6, 1984 speech in front of the U.S. Ranger Monument at Normandy, commemorating the Rangers' charge up Pointe du Hoc. Mr. Reagan's words apply equally to Pat Tillman, and all the other American men and women who have made the ultimate sacrifice in the war on terror:

"Forty summers have passed since the battle that you fought here. You were young the day you took these cliffs; some of you were hardly more than boys, with the deepest joys of life before you. Yet, you risked everything here. Why? Why did you do it? What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs? What inspired all the men of the armies that met here? We look at you, and somehow we know the answer. It was faith and belief; it was loyalty and love.

"The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right, faith that they fought for all humanity, faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead or on the next. It was the deep knowledge -- and pray God we have not lost it -- that there is a profound, moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. You were here to liberate, not to conquer, and so you and those others did not doubt your cause. And you were right not to doubt.

"You all knew that some things are worth dying for. One's country is worth dying for, and democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. All of you loved liberty."
 
Pat Tillman is the MAN.

I hate this war. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Pat Tillman believed in it. He believed and took action. He gave up a million dollars a year to do what he thought was right.

Pat Tillman is the MAN>
 
I think Pat Tillman is a hero.

Also, I think every single man and woman in Iraq is a hero as well. He gave up millions to serve, and he also lost his life, but so did hundreds of others, and I think they deserve credit too.

This one goes out to the troops - come home safe.
 
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