Raise Minimum Wage? Congress: No...WE need more money though

[quote name='GuilewasNK']Screw rasing the minimum wage. Even if you raise it, it is still the MINIMUM.


Overhaul the income tax system (I don't know if the flat-tax is the right idea but do SOMETHING), stop taking as much from people's paychecks as they do now. Also, make the government spend more efficently.[/quote]

Amen on that one. I own a small business and simplifying the tax code would be the greatest thing the govt. could do.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Amen on that one. I own a small business and simplifying the tax code would be the greatest thing the govt. could do.[/QUOTE]

or pay employees healthcare

p.s. a good accountant could help you with taxes.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Can you do anything other than cite largely-mythological "welfare queen" creatures so as to falsely discern between "deserving" and "undeserving" citizens? Can you do anything but make it a minority issue (since you had to throw in "can't-speak-English)? A gender issue (since we know only women are responsible for having children, as evidenced by your "cow-whore" argument)?

In other words, in all your vitriol, what have you to prove your case, other than hypothetical anecdotes conjured, not from reality, but from the stereotypes in your mind, to emotively bring people in to your women-and-minority-and-immigrant hate festival?

Take a fucking powder. Rub one off. Have a stiff drink (I know it's still early). But get off your high horse of righteousness when you're nothing but full of shit.[/QUOTE]

This is highly amusing coming from you, myke. Your stereotypical, self-righteous, anecdotal rants about the inequities of the minority capitalists who exploit the worker for undeserved and unshared profit are mirrored in your reply to your detractor.

Your idea about who is deserving of equal subsidy must be a Party formula secret. You've provided no proof for your definition of fairness and equity of wealth distribution except for your own skewed notion that the worker deserves equal footing with the capitalist because they exist, neglecting the inherrent differences between men and their capacity, capability and initiative. We may be equal under the law, but we are not all equal.

So have another drink on me and wallow in your festival of hate for those that create more than they can consume and enjoy the spoils that come with it. I know if you try hard enough and focus your hate you can eliminate all the hardships of life and the unfairness that creation brings to people who do not own the factories. I'm sure in time we can all be the romanticized robotic subjects of the State and wallow in solidarity as we wait in line for our daily bread and vodka ration.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']This is highly amusing coming from you, myke. Your stereotypical, self-righteous, anecdotal rants about the inequities of the minority capitalists who exploit the worker for undeserved and unshared profit are mirrored in your reply to your detractor.

Your idea about who is deserving of equal subsidy must be a Party formula secret. You've provided no proof for your definition of fairness and equity of wealth distribution except for your own skewed notion that the worker deserves equal footing with the capitalist because they exist, neglecting the inherrent differences between men and their capacity, capability and initiative. We may be equal under the law, but we are not all equal.

So have another drink on me and wallow in your festival of hate for those that create more than they can consume and enjoy the spoils that come with it. I know if you try hard enough and focus your hate you can eliminate all the hardships of life and the unfairness that creation brings to people who do not own the factories. I'm sure in time we can all be the romanticized robotic subjects of the State and wallow in solidarity as we wait in line for our daily bread and vodka ration.[/QUOTE]

Would you like to tell me that class, status, wages and wealth are all genuine reflections of "capacity, capability, and initiative"?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Would you like to tell me that class, status, wages and wealth are all genuine reflections of "capacity, capability, and initiative"?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:[/QUOTE]

No, but how are they any worse than a self-righteous neo-communist party who doles out misery in equal amounts to the entire population, obliterating all incentive and opportunity in it's wake while exhalting the virtues of true economic equality.

Is it that hard to find a job in the real world that you have to conjure up grandiose plans for world fairness by sociological fiat ? Apparently so... rotfl:rotfl: rotf..notlaughing anymore because you really believe the tripe that secretes from your brain.
 
Y'know, a page or so back I wrote a rather lengthy post that you seem to have ignored. Given your Friday nights seem to consist of sitting on CAG and pretending you're Joe McCarthy, and that I'm to be offended by being called "pinko," I'd think that you'd not have missed that one.

Get to it. You're getting very lazy, and your last post shows that. It's the political equivalent of "oh YEAH! Well..." (five second pause followed by the sound of footsteps walking away).
 
So I cant say it in the same intellectual manner as you guys, but i would love to see minimum wage raised.

And to Kayden, your post was wonderful. couldnt have said it better myself.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Amen on that one. I own a small business and simplifying the tax code would be the greatest thing the govt. could do.[/QUOTE]

please yes!! as an accountant, i have to agree with you that the tax code is way to complicated.
 
[quote name='Storamin']please yes!! as an accountant, i have to agree with you that the tax code is way to complicated.[/QUOTE]

I think the vast, vast majority of Americans will agree it is WAY too complicated and there are WAY too many loopholes that the richest of the rich can find and exploit through expert accountants. However, as we also all know, there are quite a few different ideas about how to simplify it...and as the two major hyper-partisan corrupt political parties bitch/argue about it, the IRS will continue to screw us all (or at least most of us). They couldn't even agree to modify the alternative minimum tax last year, and that's a no-brainer, so don't hold your breath for any real reform.

BTW, wasn't reforming the tax code one of those issues that were high on the president's agenda as stated in the State of the Union? I haven't heard a peep about it since the tax panel made its (lame) recommendations.
 
This part interested me:
"I think it's disgraceful that we waited nine years to do this," says Rep. David Obey, a Democrat from Wisconsin. "We have seen gas prices go up by 140 percent since the minimum wage was increased. We have seen home heating oil go up by 120 percent. We have seen health care go up by almost 45 percent."
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Is he suggesting that the solution to rising oil prices is to raise wages?:cold:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'know, a page or so back I wrote a rather lengthy post that you seem to have ignored. Given your Friday nights seem to consist of sitting on CAG and pretending you're Joe McCarthy, and that I'm to be offended by being called "pinko," I'd think that you'd not have missed that one.

Get to it. You're getting very lazy, and your last post shows that. It's the political equivalent of "oh YEAH! Well..." (five second pause followed by the sound of footsteps walking away).[/QUOTE]

Oh, no, I read the post. Only you could cop out of a reply by playing the "cop out" card. Not even alonzo does that. Talk about lazy. Don't you have and data to fudge instead of trolling on CAG anyway ?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Oh, no, I read the post. Only you could cop out of a reply by playing the "cop out" card. Not even alonzo does that. Talk about lazy. Don't you have and data to fudge instead of trolling on CAG anyway ?[/QUOTE]

If you'd like to cite a relevant part of your post previous to the one quoted above that's worth replying to, be my guest, Mr. Pot Calling the Kettle Black.

Accusing me of trolling is like having Bill Frist accuse me of coddling a dead fetus, or Rush Limbaugh accusing me of prescription drug abuse, or Bill Napoli accusing me of being a chauvanist...you get the idea. At least, I hope you do, but I wouldn't bet any money on it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Accusing me of trolling is like having Bill Frist accuse me of coddling a dead fetus, or Rush Limbaugh accusing me of prescription drug abuse, or Bill Napoli accusing me of being a chauvanist...you get the idea. At least, I hope you do, but I wouldn't bet any money on it.[/QUOTE]

The money doesn't belong to you anyway, myke. It belongs to society. It's only the over abundance of common good that there is enough left over for you to use for betting- or video games for that matter..
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Accusing me of trolling is like having Bill Frist accuse me of coddling a dead fetus, [/QUOTE]

That was Rick Santorum, but you're close - they're all loonies anyway. :lol:

A Bill Frist reference would be "accusing me of enjoying the thrill of holding a cat's living heart in my hand as the cat that I acquired by deceiving the local animal shelters slowly dies from my "medical studies" "
 
The tax system is really messed up. The amount my family pays out of its checks is insane even with remarkably low income.

The government almost makes as much as I do when I work.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']The tax system is really messed up. The amount my family pays out of its checks is insane even with remarkably low income.

The government almost makes as much as I do when I work.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but you probably get a refund check at the end of the year. And if you make under a certain threshold, you get a tax rebate to supplement your income called the "Earned Income tax credit".
 
[quote name='willardhaven']The tax system is really messed up. The amount my family pays out of its checks is insane even with remarkably low income.

The government almost makes as much as I do when I work.[/QUOTE]

But see, your family's "low" income of $50,000/yr is "exorbitant" and needs to be taxed more if you ask Democrats. OTOH, the Republicans will spend the money whether you pay it or not...
 
Anyone watch the first season of "30 Days" on FX? It's out now on DVD, but they did an episode on minimum wage and how it's nearly impossible for a couple (2 adults) to live off of it even with both having 40-hr/wk jobs at minimum wage. Pretty cool, although a bit depressing.
 
[quote name='DJFluke76']Anyone watch the first season of "30 Days" on FX? It's out now on DVD, but they did an episode on minimum wage and how it's nearly impossible for a couple (2 adults) to live off of it even with both having 40-hr/wk jobs at minimum wage. Pretty cool, although a bit depressing.[/QUOTE]

But incredibly few adults make the minimum wage, and most of them earn tips on top of said minimum wage. Educate yourself:

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4173
http://www.epionline.org/mw_statistics.cfm
 
[quote name='elprincipe']But the facts reveal we are in a growing economy with very low unemployment...[/quote]

Well, thats a problem. Many job generated, are jobs in retail. Many white collar worker are laid off and find themself in low(er)pay jobs.
I struggle myself for quit a while and still hope to get a better job soon. Which is somewhat difficult if you a dude from another continent and have to get your papers into american papers.
I am not really sure, if the idea of minimum wage was for college kids, or for people with no skills. But even with minimum wage a living is hardly to happen from that.
Thats why i am not really happy whith new shopping malls opening right now in my neighborhood. Sure it generate more jobs, but mostly lowpay.
when was the last time a factory opend a door, big business was generating jobs.
Well, maybe i live in the wrong part of the states, but there is not much happing here. L.A. that is.
 
[quote name='yester']Well, thats a problem. Many job generated, are jobs in retail. Many white collar worker are laid off and find themself in low(er)pay jobs.
I struggle myself for quit a while and still hope to get a better job soon. Which is somewhat difficult if you a dude from another continent and have to get your papers into american papers.
I am not really sure, if the idea of minimum wage was for college kids, or for people with no skills. But even with minimum wage a living is hardly to happen from that.
Thats why i am not really happy whith new shopping malls opening right now in my neighborhood. Sure it generate more jobs, but mostly lowpay.
when was the last time a factory opend a door, big business was generating jobs.
Well, maybe i live in the wrong part of the states, but there is not much happing here. L.A. that is.[/QUOTE]

Manufacturing has been on the decline for a long, long time in this country; quite simply, it's much cheaper to do it in China or Taiwan or Malaysia or somewhere with much cheaper labor. The fact is that the high-paying jobs at this point are going to be for those integrated into the information economy, and that means computers and technology. We just aren't going to see a lot of factories making DVD players being built here.
 
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